Electric Cars Require Fewer Jobs to Build

[Rob]

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, October 10, 2019 at 10:59:20 AM UTC-4, Rob wrote:
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
It's funny the way you ask about the driver being unknown as if the points MUST be awarded to someone. We can't have unawarded points sitting around.

Well, when it would be too easy to escape the points by just stating it is
unknown who was driving, that would not last too long here.

Yes, that is my point. Where you are it seems to be about holding someone responsible even if they aren't guilty. That's a big no-no here. We like to hold the correct person responsible.

The reason things have changed here is that it was too easy to escape with
claims like "unknown who was driving". These traffic offenses (not crimes)
are too common to bring every case to court, the courts were way overloaded
by people doing that. There were standard letters online to send in reply
to any ticket received, just to clog up the system.

That's rather a bizarre solution to the problem of cameras providing insufficient evidence to convict a person, change the rules to allow conviction without sufficient evidence. They only have to prove a crime was committed, not who committed it.

Sure, that is how things go here. There is sufficient indication that
the car registered to someone was used in some traffic offense, so it is
up to that person to ensure this does not happen.

> Good thing they don't have such rules regarding more offenses. A bank gets robbed and the cops pick a known bank robber and put him away for another 10 years.

That is something completely different.
However, when the security cameras in the bank took a picture of said
known bank robber, AND the mobile phone system detected his phone being
in the area, he would have a difficult time.

Sure as it is now, sometimes someone may be incorrectly found guilty of
something they really did not do, but these cases are way outnumbered
by those who really were at fault but are just trying to escape from it.

Yes, by all means obtain justice at any cost. No, wait, that's not justice. Hmmm...


It just means you should not lend out your car to just about anybody,
unless you can trust them to behave well and pay you back when they
have incurred a fine (or you are prepared to live with that).

Ahhh, so the crime was not running a red light, or going 5 over the posted speed limit, it was lending your car too casually. Maybe this will help justify parents beating their children.

When you lend your car to someone, and that someone gets a ticket, you
apparently have done something unwise.
It is like lending your gun to someone (who does not have a pemit) and
then finding they use it to kill someone. Do you get away with that?

Besides that, the goal of the system is not to strike the not-guilty
owner of a car for what some other driver has done, the goal is to keep
everyone abiding to the rules.

Uh, everyone except for the justice system.

We have a democratic system that defines the laws. The justice system
operates according to these laws. When there were some "rules" 100-200
years ago that do not fit what is happening today, they are changed.

Of course, as the system is not a direct democracy but rather a
representative democracy via a multi-party system that forms a coalition
governement, any decisions made do not necessarily reflect the opinion
of the man in the street.

When you drive according to the rules,
you normally won't get tickets. I get maybe one every 3 years, mostly
for things like driving 5 km/h too fast on a highway.

What does that have to do with anything? According to you it doesn't matter how YOU drive. What matters is how your car drives.

No, it matters how I drive my car, and when my car is detected as driving
outside of the rules it is me that is responsible as I have registered it.
Unless it has been stolen or formally rented.
That is not so difficult to understand, isn't it?

> What happens in your country when your Tesla is summoned and it strikes a person?

Then you are responsible for that. Not Tesla, at least not immediately.
They may be when there is deemed to be some violation of reasonable
security or quality practice at their end.

 

[Rick C]

On Thursday, October 10, 2019 at 12:11:37 PM UTC-4, Rob wrote:

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, October 10, 2019 at 10:59:20 AM UTC-4, Rob wrote:
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
It's funny the way you ask about the driver being unknown as if the points MUST be awarded to someone. We can't have unawarded points sitting around.

Well, when it would be too easy to escape the points by just stating it is
unknown who was driving, that would not last too long here.

Yes, that is my point. Where you are it seems to be about holding someone responsible even if they aren't guilty. That's a big no-no here. We like to hold the correct person responsible.

The reason things have changed here is that it was too easy to escape with
claims like "unknown who was driving". These traffic offenses (not crimes)
are too common to bring every case to court, the courts were way overloaded
by people doing that. There were standard letters online to send in reply
to any ticket received, just to clog up the system.

That's rather a bizarre solution to the problem of cameras providing insufficient evidence to convict a person, change the rules to allow conviction without sufficient evidence. They only have to prove a crime was committed, not who committed it.

Sure, that is how things go here. There is sufficient indication that
the car registered to someone was used in some traffic offense, so it is
up to that person to ensure this does not happen.

Wow! Such a petty thing too. Here we have an emphasis on justice. The idea that the state has only a half assed obligation to collect evidence and prosecute the guilty rather than holding accountable someone nearby the real culprit just because we need to find someone to blame is not part of our judicial system.

Good thing they don't have such rules regarding more offenses. A bank gets robbed and the cops pick a known bank robber and put him away for another 10 years.

That is something completely different.
However, when the security cameras in the bank took a picture of said
known bank robber, AND the mobile phone system detected his phone being
in the area, he would have a difficult time.

"Being in the area"??? Again, very lame evidence as it includes a great many innocents. Bank robbers wear masks and other means of disguise. So in reality it is not so different.

Sure as it is now, sometimes someone may be incorrectly found guilty of
something they really did not do, but these cases are way outnumbered
by those who really were at fault but are just trying to escape from it.

Yes, by all means obtain justice at any cost. No, wait, that's not justice. Hmmm...


It just means you should not lend out your car to just about anybody,
unless you can trust them to behave well and pay you back when they
have incurred a fine (or you are prepared to live with that).

Ahhh, so the crime was not running a red light, or going 5 over the posted speed limit, it was lending your car too casually. Maybe this will help justify parents beating their children.

When you lend your car to someone, and that someone gets a ticket, you
apparently have done something unwise.
It is like lending your gun to someone (who does not have a pemit) and
then finding they use it to kill someone. Do you get away with that?

"Unwise" is not criminal... well, at least not here.

If you legally lend your gun to someone here in the US and that person kills someone with your guy, you are not charged with murder.

I like the way you put it, "Do you get away with that?" as if there was something to "get away" with.

Besides that, the goal of the system is not to strike the not-guilty
owner of a car for what some other driver has done, the goal is to keep
everyone abiding to the rules.

Uh, everyone except for the justice system.

We have a democratic system that defines the laws. The justice system
operates according to these laws. When there were some "rules" 100-200
years ago that do not fit what is happening today, they are changed.

Of course, as the system is not a direct democracy but rather a
representative democracy via a multi-party system that forms a coalition
governement, any decisions made do not necessarily reflect the opinion
of the man in the street.

The democratic process does not affect the justice system. Our courts were derived from English courts and even adhere to precedent of English law. We still have much of that and virtually none of the process of the courts is shaped by law.

When you drive according to the rules,
you normally won't get tickets. I get maybe one every 3 years, mostly
for things like driving 5 km/h too fast on a highway.

What does that have to do with anything? According to you it doesn't matter how YOU drive. What matters is how your car drives.

No, it matters how I drive my car, and when my car is detected as driving
outside of the rules it is me that is responsible as I have registered it..
Unless it has been stolen or formally rented.
That is not so difficult to understand, isn't it?

No, it is very clear. You just agreed with me. What matters is how the car is driven, not how any individual person drives it.

What happens in your country when your Tesla is summoned and it strikes a person?

Then you are responsible for that. Not Tesla, at least not immediately.
They may be when there is deemed to be some violation of reasonable
security or quality practice at their end.

I see summon mode as opening a huge can of worms legally on several fronts. I expect it to be banned very quickly in many jurisdictions. Autopilot has not yet been banned because there is a driver in the seat who is supposed to be in charge. With summon mode it will be very easy for the user to not be able to even see what is going on, much less be in control.

--

Rick C.

------ Get 2,000 miles of free Supercharging
------ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 14:57:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/9/19 5:39 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
bitrex the Druggie wrote:

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Well, at the very least I don't remember everything some dumb binny in
the office says to me for years or whether she was polite about it, or
not. Usually I'm in the process of forgetting what she say as fast as
she can say it if the words are otherwise irrelevant to my life.


** Your responses look weird an inappropriate.

You take drugs ?




** One valuable thing I learned from that job was to always get phone numbers from the people you work next to. After being fired, I could not contact any of them as we were all dismissed on the same day, in my case on the street outside the premises as I arrived.

I made a complaint to the relevant Govt Department about my treatment and was openly disbelieved. The boss owed me pay in lieu of notice and holiday pay.

Why do you need everyone's phone numbers? The people you work with
generally shouldn't be your friends, too.


** So you really need the reasons spelt out ?.


Your friends are your friends.
Just the fact that you and them have to show up in the same place day
after day to get paid is a low bar for friendship IMO

** As all of us had been badly mistreated by an insane boss - conferring would have allowed a joint approach to the Govt office that regulates employment law here.

Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire!

Get our deserved "pay in lieu of notice", prove that the boss's claims of staff misbehaviour were fraudulent and have the stinking asshole put on notice that he was breaking the law.

Plus maybe stop the asshole hiring and firing good people at whim.

Low chance of success on any of that.

( snip more drug affected shite )



..... Phil


It's been said the best revenge is living well - are you living well?

Likely not. Being constantly angry is dangerous but not the fun kind
of dangerous.

 

[bitrex]

On 10/9/19 5:39 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

bitrex the Druggie wrote:

------------------------


Well, at the very least I don't remember everything some dumb binny in
the office says to me for years or whether she was polite about it, or
not. Usually I'm in the process of forgetting what she say as fast as
she can say it if the words are otherwise irrelevant to my life.


** Your responses look weird an inappropriate.

You take drugs ?




** One valuable thing I learned from that job was to always get phone numbers from the people you work next to. After being fired, I could not contact any of them as we were all dismissed on the same day, in my case on the street outside the premises as I arrived.

I made a complaint to the relevant Govt Department about my treatment and was openly disbelieved. The boss owed me pay in lieu of notice and holiday pay.

Why do you need everyone's phone numbers? The people you work with
generally shouldn't be your friends, too.


** So you really need the reasons spelt out ?.


Your friends are your friends.
Just the fact that you and them have to show up in the same place day
after day to get paid is a low bar for friendship IMO

** As all of us had been badly mistreated by an insane boss - conferring would have allowed a joint approach to the Govt office that regulates employment law here.

Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire!

Get our deserved "pay in lieu of notice", prove that the boss's claims of staff misbehaviour were fraudulent and have the stinking asshole put on notice that he was breaking the law.

Plus maybe stop the asshole hiring and firing good people at whim.

Low chance of success on any of that.

( snip more drug affected shite )



..... Phil

It's been said the best revenge is living well - are you living well?

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 15:09:41 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/10/19 3:01 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 14:57:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/9/19 5:39 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
bitrex the Druggie wrote:

------------------------


Well, at the very least I don't remember everything some dumb binny in
the office says to me for years or whether she was polite about it, or
not. Usually I'm in the process of forgetting what she say as fast as
she can say it if the words are otherwise irrelevant to my life.


** Your responses look weird an inappropriate.

You take drugs ?




** One valuable thing I learned from that job was to always get phone numbers from the people you work next to. After being fired, I could not contact any of them as we were all dismissed on the same day, in my case on the street outside the premises as I arrived.

I made a complaint to the relevant Govt Department about my treatment and was openly disbelieved. The boss owed me pay in lieu of notice and holiday pay.

Why do you need everyone's phone numbers? The people you work with
generally shouldn't be your friends, too.


** So you really need the reasons spelt out ?.


Your friends are your friends.
Just the fact that you and them have to show up in the same place day
after day to get paid is a low bar for friendship IMO

** As all of us had been badly mistreated by an insane boss - conferring would have allowed a joint approach to the Govt office that regulates employment law here.

Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire!

Get our deserved "pay in lieu of notice", prove that the boss's claims of staff misbehaviour were fraudulent and have the stinking asshole put on notice that he was breaking the law.

Plus maybe stop the asshole hiring and firing good people at whim.

Low chance of success on any of that.

( snip more drug affected shite )



..... Phil


It's been said the best revenge is living well - are you living well?

Likely not. Being constantly angry is dangerous but not the fun kind
of dangerous.


I do a lot better financially by just forgetting almost all shit bosses
and deadbeat clients ASAP and moving on to the next gig than trying to
fight any of 'em. It's almost never worth the time or expense. I've had
a lot of lousy bosses in my life I couldn't really tell you much about
them other than that they were lousy I don't much think about them at all.

I do recall many years ago I showed up for an interview for an
electronics tech position the boss said "What do you mean you have an
interview now? I have to go now..." and left the shop. Then he told me
later over the phone "No actually you were there at the right time but
sometimes I want to see if potential candidates are willing to work for
it..."

so I laughed at him and hung up. the end.

My first ever job interview, must have been 18ish, I told the guy that
I preferred tubes to transistors because tubes were harder to blow up.
"That won't do" he sniffed, and dismissed me. The next guy laughed and
hired me. I designed about $200 million worth of stuff for him.

 

[bitrex]

On 10/10/19 3:01 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 14:57:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/9/19 5:39 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
bitrex the Druggie wrote:

------------------------


Well, at the very least I don't remember everything some dumb binny in
the office says to me for years or whether she was polite about it, or
not. Usually I'm in the process of forgetting what she say as fast as
she can say it if the words are otherwise irrelevant to my life.


** Your responses look weird an inappropriate.

You take drugs ?




** One valuable thing I learned from that job was to always get phone numbers from the people you work next to. After being fired, I could not contact any of them as we were all dismissed on the same day, in my case on the street outside the premises as I arrived.

I made a complaint to the relevant Govt Department about my treatment and was openly disbelieved. The boss owed me pay in lieu of notice and holiday pay.

Why do you need everyone's phone numbers? The people you work with
generally shouldn't be your friends, too.


** So you really need the reasons spelt out ?.


Your friends are your friends.
Just the fact that you and them have to show up in the same place day
after day to get paid is a low bar for friendship IMO

** As all of us had been badly mistreated by an insane boss - conferring would have allowed a joint approach to the Govt office that regulates employment law here.

Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire!

Get our deserved "pay in lieu of notice", prove that the boss's claims of staff misbehaviour were fraudulent and have the stinking asshole put on notice that he was breaking the law.

Plus maybe stop the asshole hiring and firing good people at whim.

Low chance of success on any of that.

( snip more drug affected shite )



..... Phil


It's been said the best revenge is living well - are you living well?

Likely not. Being constantly angry is dangerous but not the fun kind
of dangerous.

I do a lot better financially by just forgetting almost all shit bosses
and deadbeat clients ASAP and moving on to the next gig than trying to
fight any of 'em. It's almost never worth the time or expense. I've had
a lot of lousy bosses in my life I couldn't really tell you much about
them other than that they were lousy I don't much think about them at all.

I do recall many years ago I showed up for an interview for an
electronics tech position the boss said "What do you mean you have an
interview now? I have to go now..." and left the shop. Then he told me
later over the phone "No actually you were there at the right time but
sometimes I want to see if potential candidates are willing to work for
it..."

so I laughed at him and hung up. the end.

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Thursday, October 10, 2019 at 3:36:35 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 15:09:41 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/10/19 3:01 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 14:57:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/9/19 5:39 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
bitrex the Druggie wrote:

------------------------


Well, at the very least I don't remember everything some dumb binny in
the office says to me for years or whether she was polite about it, or
not. Usually I'm in the process of forgetting what she say as fast as
she can say it if the words are otherwise irrelevant to my life.


** Your responses look weird an inappropriate.

You take drugs ?




** One valuable thing I learned from that job was to always get phone numbers from the people you work next to. After being fired, I could not contact any of them as we were all dismissed on the same day, in my case on the street outside the premises as I arrived.

I made a complaint to the relevant Govt Department about my treatment and was openly disbelieved. The boss owed me pay in lieu of notice and holiday pay.

Why do you need everyone's phone numbers? The people you work with
generally shouldn't be your friends, too.


** So you really need the reasons spelt out ?.


Your friends are your friends.
Just the fact that you and them have to show up in the same place day
after day to get paid is a low bar for friendship IMO

** As all of us had been badly mistreated by an insane boss - conferring would have allowed a joint approach to the Govt office that regulates employment law here.

Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire!

Get our deserved "pay in lieu of notice", prove that the boss's claims of staff misbehaviour were fraudulent and have the stinking asshole put on notice that he was breaking the law.

Plus maybe stop the asshole hiring and firing good people at whim.

Low chance of success on any of that.

( snip more drug affected shite )



..... Phil


It's been said the best revenge is living well - are you living well?

Likely not. Being constantly angry is dangerous but not the fun kind
of dangerous.


I do a lot better financially by just forgetting almost all shit bosses
and deadbeat clients ASAP and moving on to the next gig than trying to
fight any of 'em. It's almost never worth the time or expense. I've had
a lot of lousy bosses in my life I couldn't really tell you much about
them other than that they were lousy I don't much think about them at all.

I do recall many years ago I showed up for an interview for an
electronics tech position the boss said "What do you mean you have an
interview now? I have to go now..." and left the shop. Then he told me
later over the phone "No actually you were there at the right time but
sometimes I want to see if potential candidates are willing to work for
it..."

so I laughed at him and hung up. the end.

My first ever job interview, must have been 18ish, I told the guy that
I preferred tubes to transistors because tubes were harder to blow up.
"That won't do" he sniffed, and dismissed me. The next guy laughed and
hired me. I designed about $200 million worth of stuff for him.

I was interviewed once to service business radios inside a defense plant. The shop called itself 'Collins Radio' and they told people that if the called to ask about their interviews they would be removed from the list of Candidates. I wrote them off as losers. I ran into the guy who told me about the opening about a month later and asked, "Who did they hire?" His response was, "Nobody. No one wanted it bad enough to call back after the interview.." I told him that I wouldn't work for people like that.

They thought that they were geniuses. Their restroom doors were labeled Protons and Neutrons. I have to assume they were Neutrons. Just more needless dead weight in the organization.

They got really ypissed, when I pointed out that Electrons carry the charge and do the real work in electronics.

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 13:07:00 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
<terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, October 10, 2019 at 3:36:35 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 15:09:41 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/10/19 3:01 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 14:57:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/9/19 5:39 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
bitrex the Druggie wrote:

------------------------


Well, at the very least I don't remember everything some dumb binny in
the office says to me for years or whether she was polite about it, or
not. Usually I'm in the process of forgetting what she say as fast as
she can say it if the words are otherwise irrelevant to my life.


** Your responses look weird an inappropriate.

You take drugs ?




** One valuable thing I learned from that job was to always get phone numbers from the people you work next to. After being fired, I could not contact any of them as we were all dismissed on the same day, in my case on the street outside the premises as I arrived.

I made a complaint to the relevant Govt Department about my treatment and was openly disbelieved. The boss owed me pay in lieu of notice and holiday pay.

Why do you need everyone's phone numbers? The people you work with
generally shouldn't be your friends, too.


** So you really need the reasons spelt out ?.


Your friends are your friends.
Just the fact that you and them have to show up in the same place day
after day to get paid is a low bar for friendship IMO

** As all of us had been badly mistreated by an insane boss - conferring would have allowed a joint approach to the Govt office that regulates employment law here.

Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire!

Get our deserved "pay in lieu of notice", prove that the boss's claims of staff misbehaviour were fraudulent and have the stinking asshole put on notice that he was breaking the law.

Plus maybe stop the asshole hiring and firing good people at whim.

Low chance of success on any of that.

( snip more drug affected shite )



..... Phil


It's been said the best revenge is living well - are you living well?

Likely not. Being constantly angry is dangerous but not the fun kind
of dangerous.


I do a lot better financially by just forgetting almost all shit bosses
and deadbeat clients ASAP and moving on to the next gig than trying to
fight any of 'em. It's almost never worth the time or expense. I've had
a lot of lousy bosses in my life I couldn't really tell you much about
them other than that they were lousy I don't much think about them at all.

I do recall many years ago I showed up for an interview for an
electronics tech position the boss said "What do you mean you have an
interview now? I have to go now..." and left the shop. Then he told me
later over the phone "No actually you were there at the right time but
sometimes I want to see if potential candidates are willing to work for
it..."

so I laughed at him and hung up. the end.

My first ever job interview, must have been 18ish, I told the guy that
I preferred tubes to transistors because tubes were harder to blow up.
"That won't do" he sniffed, and dismissed me. The next guy laughed and
hired me. I designed about $200 million worth of stuff for him.

I was interviewed once to service business radios inside a defense plant. The shop called itself 'Collins Radio' and they told people that if the called to ask about their interviews they would be removed from the list of Candidates. I wrote them off as losers. I ran into the guy who told me about the opening about a month later and asked, "Who did they hire?" His response was, "Nobody. No one wanted it bad enough to call back after the interview." I told him that I wouldn't work for people like that.

They thought that they were geniuses. Their restroom doors were labeled Protons and Neutrons. I have to assume they were Neutrons. Just more needless dead weight in the organization.

I used to occasionally visit a yacht club in New Orleans, where the
rest rooms were labeled Inboard and Outboard.

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Thursday, October 10, 2019 at 4:49:11 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 13:07:00 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell wrote:

I was interviewed once to service business radios inside a defense plant.. The shop called itself 'Collins Radio' and they told people that if the called to ask about their interviews they would be removed from the list of Candidates. I wrote them off as losers. I ran into the guy who told me about the opening about a month later and asked, "Who did they hire?" His response was, "Nobody. No one wanted it bad enough to call back after the interview." I told him that I wouldn't work for people like that.

They thought that they were geniuses. Their restroom doors were labeled Protons and Neutrons. I have to assume they were Neutrons. Just more needless dead weight in the organization.

I used to occasionally visit a yacht club in New Orleans, where the
rest rooms were labeled Inboard and Outboard.

That makes more sense than Proton and Neutron. I don't think Neutrons ever use a restroom. That's why they are so dense.

Do you think that Always Wrong is a Neutron?

 

[Phil Allison]

bitrex brain fucked druggie wrote:

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** Your responses look weird an inappropriate.

You take drugs ?

** As all of us had been badly mistreated by an insane boss - conferring would have allowed a joint approach to the Govt office that regulates employment law here.

Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire!

** An asinine reply, from a congenital ass.

Get our deserved "pay in lieu of notice", prove that the boss's claims of staff misbehaviour were fraudulent and have the stinking asshole put on notice that he was breaking the law.

Plus maybe stop the asshole hiring and firing good people at whim.

Low chance of success on any of that.

** As if this smartarse, ASD fucked dead druggie would have the tiniest clue.

What fucking pig.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, October 11, 2019 at 9:21:00 AM UTC+11, Michael Terrell wrote:

On Thursday, October 10, 2019 at 4:49:11 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 13:07:00 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell wrote:

I was interviewed once to service business radios inside a defense plant. The shop called itself 'Collins Radio' and they told people that if the called to ask about their interviews they would be removed from the list of Candidates. I wrote them off as losers. I ran into the guy who told me about the opening about a month later and asked, "Who did they hire?" His response was, "Nobody. No one wanted it bad enough to call back after the interview." I told him that I wouldn't work for people like that.

They thought that they were geniuses. Their restroom doors were labeled Protons and Neutrons. I have to assume they were Neutrons. Just more needless dead weight in the organization.

I used to occasionally visit a yacht club in New Orleans, where the
rest rooms were labeled Inboard and Outboard.

That makes more sense than Proton and Neutron. I don't think Neutrons ever use a restroom. That's why they are so dense.

A free neutron last for about a quarter of an hour before decaying into a proton and an electron. They wouldn't last long enough to need to go to a rest room.

They do have some internal structure - one up quark and two down quarks - but they only thing they ever need to eliminate is an electron.

Protons are stable and really don't need to eliminate anything.

> Do you think that Always Wrong is a Neutron?

He's a little larger than a neutron, and clearly a lot more stable.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Rob]

You can keep on bickering about this forever, but let's just conclude
that things work differently in different countries, and that you will
have to adapt to that when you live in or visit a country.

That works the other way as well. Here, when you make some minor offense
and you are held standing by a policeman, it is customary to enter into a
discussion with the policeman about the severity of the event, and whether
it is warranted to arrest them or if a warning is more appropriate.
I see that Dutch tourists in other countries end up in jail for doing
things that, even when they are not allowed, would get them only a firm
talk and a warning here.

 

[Rick C]

On Friday, October 11, 2019 at 4:10:37 AM UTC-4, Rob wrote:

You can keep on bickering about this forever, but let's just conclude
that things work differently in different countries, and that you will
have to adapt to that when you live in or visit a country.

That works the other way as well. Here, when you make some minor offense
and you are held standing by a policeman, it is customary to enter into a
discussion with the policeman about the severity of the event, and whether
it is warranted to arrest them or if a warning is more appropriate.
I see that Dutch tourists in other countries end up in jail for doing
things that, even when they are not allowed, would get them only a firm
talk and a warning here.

You are funny. No one has been twisting YOUR arm in this discussion. The issue is not about the severity of the offense. The issue is whether you have a basic right to the presumption of innocence in the absence of evidence "beyond a reasonable doubt". In this country that right extends to all matters in criminal law regardless of the severity of the punishment. Otherwise the cameras simply become a way to levy additional taxes which is a stated reason for having them in many jurisdictions.

You can talk about the Dutch customs or any other country, but that is not the issue we have been discussing. We have been discussing the level of evidence required to convict. Cameras that do not show a face or other clear evidence of WHO is driving is not sufficient evidence to convict in this country, the US.

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Rick C.

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