Electric Cars Require Fewer Jobs to Build

[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, October 9, 2019 at 1:56:41 PM UTC+11, k...@notreal.com wrote:

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 20:11:22 -0700 (PDT), edward.ming.lee@gmail.com
wrote:

On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 7:30:43 PM UTC-7, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 07:17:23 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, October 6, 2019 at 10:07:51 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 18:53:45 -0700 (PDT), edward.ming.lee@gmail.com
wrote:

On Sunday, October 6, 2019 at 6:40:36 PM UTC-7, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 17:48:17 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, October 6, 2019 at 2:05:18 AM UTC-4, edward...@gmail..com wrote:

"Sono Motors suggests its car charge up just over 18 miles on a 24% efficient solar cell. If NovaSolix can get to that 90% number, that’s 67 miles of sunlight driving. The average daily miles driven in the USA is about 40 miles per person."


14,600 miles per year? I generally drive under 3,000 miles per year.

And we drive well over 15,000 miles on each vehicle each year.

So, average of 14,000 per year or 40 miles per day sound right. Actually, i drive more due to limited charging stations and keep making additional trips to keep charge up. With on-board solar charger, i can probably drive less.

It's just under that to and from work. There are also a few 1200mi
trips in there (and one this coming week).

NovaSolix's 40% solar modules on roof and hood is close to a level 1 charger onboard.

Complete nonsense.

Yes, many times you are full of nonsense.

40% is indeed nonsense, moron.


Sun light is half visible, half UV & IR. Photovoltaic cell is limited to only half of the solar energy (probably less than 30%). Carbon nanotube tuning to the visible and IR region can capture upwards of 40%. Several companies demonstrated the potential, some had real prototype. I guess the world is full of "nonsense", moron.

Even you admit it's a dream. Moron.

Krw is the moron here. High yield solar cells are complex devices, very expensive and attractive only in niche applications, but they are practicable.

A few years ago 25% yield solar cells were in the same category, but a clever guy - now dead - at the University of New South Wales worked out a way of getting that kind of yield with more or less standard semiconductor processes, and the Chinese are now producing them very cheaply and in huge volume.

I had to put his obituary in the NSW IEEE newsletter a year or so ago.

https://site.ieee.org/nsw/files/2018/03/Circuit_March_2018-2.pdf

It's on page 12.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Phil Allison]

Rick C wrote:

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I am told repeatedly there are many homes that only have a 50 amp
service, or maybe it's 40 amps.

** In 240VAC UK, they have 32amp "ring mains" in most domestic premises - with fused power plugs on all appliances. Stoves ( called cookers ) along with water heaters are usually wired into the incoming supply. There is also provision for hot water to be used for room heating using "boilers".

So lots of nice amps available.

However, in 240VAC Australia, we are almost entirely free of snow.

Most houses have 2 x 16amp power circuits with 3 pin outlets for appliances and an 8 amp lighting circuit. Again, stoves and water heaters are wired to the supply.

Now for the bad news:

A huge number of folk live in blocks of flats and home units, ie apartment buildings. A great many of those premises have a gas supply - which eliminates most of the need for electric power. So it is never installed.

Such premises have one or occasionally two 16amp circuits for power outlets and another 8amp one for lights.

In my case, a single 16amp circuit runs the fridge, a 2kW oil filled heater, 1.8kW jug, 1.2kW microwave oven, my workshop and home entertainment gear PLUS the 2kW electric grill fan in my gas stove.

Total possible load is nearly 8kW with only 4kW available - so one has to be a bit cautious.

The family of four next to me has the same set up plus a 2kW clothes dryer.

To improve the situation would require the entire building to be rewired and the incoming power to be of double capacity - from 100amps per phase to 200.

Of the 12 cars I know about - only two have access to a garage with AC outlet.

The rest park outdoors or in the street.

Hybrids are popular in Sydney.


.... Phil








The hot water kettle draws something like 9 amps is what comes to mind. Surely you are aware how many people watch football matches? Actually, I believe the point was about matches of interest to nearly every football fans, so it would be whatever the playoffs are in the UK. Commercial comes on the telly and the kettle gets plugged in. Two or three minutes later the water is poured and they return to the game that is just restarting.

We have the same phenomenon here in the US, but the kettles don't draw as much power, the houses generally have higher power service and the rest of the distribution just doesn't care about a few tea pots running at once. I think here it is the toilets flushing at once and the water pressure dropping.


All I can do is report the facts as provided by the people who live in the UK. Who am I to challenge their facts no matter how implausible they sound?

I haven't been there since 2015. So I'm not much better placed.

Clearly the UK and Australia have a woefully inadequate electrical infrastructure and will never be capable of widespread EV adoption.

Australia's electrical infrastructure is probably over-robust - when it got privatised a decade or so ago, the scheme had a few weaknesses, and one of them lead to the "gold-plating" of the distribution network, which could recover the costs of every cent they spent on poles and wires, no matter how unnecessary the up-grades were.

The network is scaled to handle peak loads, and charging car batteries could be disabled during the peak load periods. This might shift the charging times away from peak solar input, but Australia seems to be planning on spending a bundle on expanding the Snowy River hydroelectric generating system to make it a huge pumped storage scheme.

https://www.snowyhydro.com.au/our-scheme/snowy20/about-snowy-2-0-2/

The preliminary spending is already underway.

You are looking at a different issue. The point is the places to drive through on route between Sydney and Melbourne are fairly low density. They current aggregate service to the area is not up to the task of supplying many megawatts to charge EVs if the vast majority of the traffic was BEV. This is not a national grid issue or an issue of generating capacity. This is an issue of there just not being sufficient transmission capability in the areas that would need power to charge cars.

So stuff will need to be built. That's all. Just like in Puerto Rico and many other third world countries.


Someone pointed out to me that it is impossible to build enough EV fast charging to allow trips since the towns in between the major destinations don't have enough capacity to build the required charging facilities. I don't recall the town names, but it looks like Tarcutta is about the only place in the middle to put a charging station between Sydney and Melbourne. Not much of a town.

The Australian national capital - Canberra - is about halfway between Sydney and Melbourne. It's got politicians so it is bound to have charging stations.

LOL! Maybe Australia has better politics than the US, but in general politicians are the least capable even to understand the needs for EV charging..

As I've said above, the issue that was being addressed was when EVs become dominant, there will need to be new transmission facilities built since the large number of vehicles traveling between those cities will be drawing huge amounts of power.

Currently there is a Tesla charging facility in Quartzsite, AZ, a location that is not so easy to skip when traveling between LA and Phonenix. So there are frequent congestion issues, especially on holiday weekends. They are limited to how many charging stalls they can add since the area does not have huge power feeds. It's not much of a town.

https://goo.gl/maps/ByJ4CuApCXhTrpRp7

Every 8 stalls is a MW. Double the number of cars between these cities and you will need twice as much power. Now imagine what is needed to provide 100 times the number of cars... 1,000 times as many cars.


The drive from Melbourne to Sydney takes about ten hours. I've done it a few times. There are bunch of decent sized provincial towns along the way, all of them plenty big enough to support charging stations. Eastern Australia is linked by a high voltage grid,and if a provincial town need extra capacity to support a fast charging station - which seems unlikely - they'd just beef up the transformer at the local sub-station.

So you are picking the locations? Yeah, you can put chargers where they are convenient, but you are still thinking of charging a few dozen cars a day. This is about charging the thousands or tens of thousands of cars traversing these roads each day when EVs rule the earth.


Yeah, looks like Australia is screwed for at least a hundred years.

If you get your information from people who think that our domestic supplies get pulled down by all the kettles being put on during commercial breaks, you might think that. Better informants might give you a more realistic idea.

The kettles was about the UK. Don't get your facts confused. Someone else was complaining that EVs driven between Sydney and Melbourne would be a big deal when 95% of cars are EVs. Let's not forget the semi-trucks. I was reading something that talked like electric semi-tractors were not suited for long hauls which made me wonder what info they had that I, Tesla and a couple of other startups don't. Seems to me electric semi trucks are ideal! They can be charged in an hour every four hours or maybe longer since they are not nearly as limited for the battery weight as a car. The motors are already pretty powerful, so there should be little trouble adapting them to semis. Tesla uses 8 standard chargers to charge the semi. I don't know if they use 8 separate charger pairs. If so, that means they use a MW for each truck! They will need to be charged during the day as well as night, but that might work out since they could be charged with solar.


I regularly walk past a parked Tesla on my morning trip to the local coffee shop (which serves coffee and food - unlike it's Dutch equivalent).

There aren't that many around yet - last year Australians bought about 800 electric cars, but they've bought some 1200 since January, so the trend is up.

Apparently the work being done in the garage space under our building is going to include putting in some charging points in individual parking bays, of which there are at least 80 - the penthouse flats may have two each.

Tesla has not made large inroads in Australia. They may make more efforts once they are making cars in China. 2019 is all about the model 3. 2021 will be about the model Y. Not sure what other companies are doing, but Australia is not a tiny market, just not a big one.

--

Rick C.

+---+ Get 2,000 miles of free Supercharging
+---+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 20:11:22 -0700 (PDT), edward.ming.lee@gmail.com
wrote:

On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 7:30:43 PM UTC-7, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 07:17:23 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, October 6, 2019 at 10:07:51 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 18:53:45 -0700 (PDT), edward.ming.lee@gmail.com
wrote:

On Sunday, October 6, 2019 at 6:40:36 PM UTC-7, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 17:48:17 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, October 6, 2019 at 2:05:18 AM UTC-4, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

"Sono Motors suggests its car charge up just over 18 miles on a 24% efficient solar cell. If NovaSolix can get to that 90% number, that’s 67 miles of sunlight driving. The average daily miles driven in the USA is about 40 miles per person."


14,600 miles per year? I generally drive under 3,000 miles per year.

And we drive well over 15,000 miles on each vehicle each year.

So, average of 14,000 per year or 40 miles per day sound right. Actually, i drive more due to limited charging stations and keep making additional trips to keep charge up. With on-board solar charger, i can probably drive less.

It's just under that to and from work. There are also a few 1200mi
trips in there (and one this coming week).

NovaSolix's 40% solar modules on roof and hood is close to a level 1 charger onboard.

Complete nonsense.

Yes, many times you are full of nonsense.

40% is indeed nonsense, moron.


Sun light is half visible, half UV & IR. Photovoltaic cell is limited to only half of the solar energy (probably less than 30%). Carbon nanotube tuning to the visible and IR region can capture upwards of 40%. Several companies demonstrated the potential, some had real prototype. I guess the world is full of "nonsense", moron.

Even you admit it's a dream. Moron.

 

On Tue, 08 Oct 2019 08:17:21 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

On Mon, 07 Oct 2019 22:29:34 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On Mon, 07 Oct 2019 12:50:08 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 14:17:23 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
always.look@message.header> wrote:

An America-bashing Third World troll...

Who hasn't himself worked in decades.

Unemployable.

I think so. Attitude is as important as technical skill, and a lot
more obvious. Imagine working with someone whose main interest in life
is to generate droning 3rd party insults and cite some silly paper he
got published 98 years ago.

He has, or had, some interesting skills that could have turned into
some nice consulting business. I suggested how he could market that,
but he apparently didn't want to try.

Old guys tend to not get hired through the usual ad/resume/HR/
interview process. But our age and experience and real-electronics
skills can be assets as consultants. It's fun and the hourly pay is
great.

I've not found your first sentence to be correct because of the
second. Sure, I've been the "victim" of age discrimination but only
when HR is involved, and before the on-site interview. The manager
who hired me for my current job considered gray hair a requirement of
the job. I don't want to be a boss, not even my own. Too much
paperwork.

 

[bitrex]

On 10/8/19 7:46 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

bitrex wrote:

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I've heard guys in tech complain that they don't want to work in an
office with women because they cause "too much drama."



** I can vouch for that.

I was fired from one job with a DJ gear hire business after two weeks, along with my supervisor and a younger tech cos the boss's heavily pregnant missus took a strong disliking to us all.

She first stalked the supervisor, watching and misinterpreting his every move, aided and abetted by a teenage female office staffer who would appear suddenly in the service area - scream at him and then disappear.

Holy shit, it's Casper the friendly ghost!

One morning, I arrived a tad late without eating breakfast - so I headed to the tea room for a cup of coffee. I was spotted by the missus and ordered to get straight to work. Pointing out to her that I might work better with some coffee in my belly had no effect.

Essential spares like TO220 triacs and xenon flash tubes were kept in the office and doled out by her *one* at a time - but only if you could prove the need beyond doubt.

A sign of a business that thinks TO220 triacs are the valuable things
but good techs are fungible, look we just put out an ad and they show
up! Amazing!

they didn't last much longer I'd expect.

The fact that items worked perfectly after replacing said triacs or tubes was not enough - I was generally expected to repair *customer damaged* items without using any precious spares.

One some days, I completed no work at all cos the boss or his missus kept shifting me from one task to a different one, at whim. I was then blamed me for being inefficient.

I could go an and on - but you get the idea.

It was the boss' fault at the end of the day I think for letting his
missus work at his business like that's somehow always a great idea. She
was always an asshole. He married the broad, after all.

People who have to resort to hiring their family tend to be tyrants who
can't keep employees they get from the open market for any length of
time. Whatever job you have that needs doing, I guarantee someone from
your family is not the most qualified to do it. I seem to remember
there's someone here who does that though...

A friend said to me later, after hearing my sad story: " Congratulations Phil, you lasted two weeks in a job that I would have walked out of on the first day".



..... Phil

The teenage office staffer probably liked you. Was she 18? Was that even
the age of consent in Australia at the time?

If I were a younger man I'd have least tried to get her phone # on the
way out

 

[Phil Allison]

bitrex wrote:

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I could go an and on - but you get the idea.

It was the boss' fault at the end of the day I think for letting his
missus work at his business like that's somehow always a great idea. She
was always an asshole. He married the broad, after all.

** Well, Mrs Sue Cashmore was not about to sit home all day doing nothing - and I do suspect she was unemployable elsewhere.

People who have to resort to hiring their family tend to be tyrants who
can't keep employees they get from the open market for any length of
time. Whatever job you have that needs doing, I guarantee someone from
your family is not the most qualified to do it. I seem to remember
there's someone here who does that though...

** Yep.

But there is an even worse scenario that I fell foul of one time - with the person acting as company receptionist.

A young lady, who took all incoming phone calls and could listen in to calls in progress - so she knew pretty much everything going on at any time and where everybody was, in and out of the building.

She could and sometime did cause huge trouble by using knowledge so gained and not revealing how she new it.

However, a major hazard arose for those NOT in the know - as she was also the boss's mistress and drinking partner ( both were serious alcoholics ) likely the only thing they really had in common.

Have any kind of falling out with her and your time as employee or outside repair contractor like me was about to be over.

The teenage office staffer probably liked you. Was she 18? Was that even
the age of consent in Australia at the time?

** She was about 18 and no she did not like me, nor any of the techs.

We were all downstairs in a cold and open factory area while the office folk and boss were upstairs in a cosy warm place - and the atmosphere going on between was like that of a war.

If I were a younger man I'd have least tried to get her phone # on the
way out

** One valuable thing I learned from that job was to always get phone numbers from the people you work next to. After being fired, I could not contact any of them as we were all dismissed on the same day, in my case on the street outside the premises as I arrived.

I made a complaint to the relevant Govt Department about my treatment and was openly disbelieved. The boss owed me pay in lieu of notice and holiday pay.

Eventually, I got a few days holiday pay, but he made up a wild story about me to avoid the "pay in lieu". Along the way however, I found out that there had been three similar complaints about the same firm *after* mine and another two on file in the previous months.

So the other thing I learned was the most important questions to ask at a job interview it you are offered the job:

Q:

What happened with to the guy I am replacing and could you have him call me ?

If the interviewer refuses to comply with the above, get up and walk out the fucking door.



...... Phil

 

[Rob]

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 3:45:26 AM UTC-4, Rob wrote:
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
Who has to go to court for camera offenses, the driver or the owner?

Do they have good footage of the driver's face?

Here the owner of the car is responsible for such offenses and it is
not important who drove the car. But you can present evidence that the
car was stolen or rented to someone else at the time the offense was made.

Not true. The driver is the one at fault, not the owner. They just assume the two are the same unless you can prove or at least make an official statement to the contrary. To make the official statement at least requires taking a day off and dealing with the hassle of going to a hearing in a very inconvenient location.

What do you mean "Not True"???? TRUE! it is the law here, no
matter how often you say "Not True".

I know that people from the USA think that the whole world is the USA
and everything turns around the USA.

That may have been true for some time, but those times are gone.
You know are a silly country with silly backwards laws and a monkey president.

 

[Rob]

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 3:45:06 AM UTC-4, Rob wrote:
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 12:49:47 PM UTC-4, Rob wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
I think it may actually a high intensity array of white LEDs, not a
strobe. People put all sorts of weird crap on the license plates to try
to defeat 'em like IR LEDs or blinking LEDs pointing backwards, and
darkly tinted plate covers, reflective tape, stuff like that. High
intensity visible light flash will defeat any of that low-effort ideas I
believe.

Over here that is an offense that would result in a hefty fine when
you are caught. Maybe that is because most traffic tickets are issued
after cameras have taken pictures some way, and it has been like that
for decades. I believe in the USA for many situations it is required
that you are being stopped by a policeman, but that rarely happens here.

No, traffic cameras are widely used, just not all that pervasively... i.e. not at every intersection. Usually they are used at trouble spots.

The problem I have is that they are often operated by a company on a profit sharing basis with the local jurisdiction. So the company has little incentive to be accurate, rather they have every incentive to issue summons. There is no police officer reviewing anything. More importantly, there is no accuser to question in court. In fact, in many jurisdictions they don't even give you a trial, it's a hearing with a review board. In other words, it's guilty until proven innocent.

Well, here they have to be calibrated and certified. There is no
reason to assume that they e.g. indicate more speed than there really is,
to then issue more tickets.
Furthermore, 5% is subtracted from the indicated value as an allowance
for any error before calculating the fine.

Then there is the problem of being informed. The owner may not even be the driver and if he doesn't get the notice in the mail (it's not like they are sent certified) the fine quadruples.

It does not matter that the owner isn't the driver.
The owner is the one responsible for offenses made by people driving
the car he owns, unless he can prove that the car was stolen (he needs
to report that fact to the police, and doing so when it is not true is
a criminal offense) or that he has a contract to rent it to someone
else (like car lease companies have).
If not, it is their own responsibility to get the fine reimbursed from
the person who actually drove the car.

 

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 7:56:41 PM UTC-7, k...@notreal.com wrote:

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 20:11:22 -0700 (PDT), edward.ming.lee@gmail.com
wrote:

On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 7:30:43 PM UTC-7, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 07:17:23 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, October 6, 2019 at 10:07:51 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 18:53:45 -0700 (PDT), edward.ming.lee@gmail.com
wrote:

On Sunday, October 6, 2019 at 6:40:36 PM UTC-7, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 17:48:17 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, October 6, 2019 at 2:05:18 AM UTC-4, edward...@gmail..com wrote:

"Sono Motors suggests its car charge up just over 18 miles on a 24% efficient solar cell. If NovaSolix can get to that 90% number, that’s 67 miles of sunlight driving. The average daily miles driven in the USA is about 40 miles per person."


14,600 miles per year? I generally drive under 3,000 miles per year.

And we drive well over 15,000 miles on each vehicle each year.

So, average of 14,000 per year or 40 miles per day sound right. Actually, i drive more due to limited charging stations and keep making additional trips to keep charge up. With on-board solar charger, i can probably drive less.

It's just under that to and from work. There are also a few 1200mi
trips in there (and one this coming week).

NovaSolix's 40% solar modules on roof and hood is close to a level 1 charger onboard.

Complete nonsense.

Yes, many times you are full of nonsense.

40% is indeed nonsense, moron.


Sun light is half visible, half UV & IR. Photovoltaic cell is limited to only half of the solar energy (probably less than 30%). Carbon nanotube tuning to the visible and IR region can capture upwards of 40%. Several companies demonstrated the potential, some had real prototype. I guess the world is full of "nonsense", moron.

Even you admit it's a dream. Moron.

It's not a dream. The technique is well known. It's just a matter of mastering the grow of CNT-RA, Moron. Is "Moron" a common way to greet people in your culture. If so, i respect your culture, Moron.

 

[Phil Allison]

Rob the Idiot wrote:
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It does not matter that the owner isn't the driver.
The owner is the one responsible for offenses made by people driving
the car he owns, unless he can prove that the car was stolen (he needs
to report that fact to the police, and doing so when it is not true is
a criminal offense) or that he has a contract to rent it to someone
else (like car lease companies have).

** Not where I live Australia) and I bet most other places too.

The owner only has only supply authorities with correct details of the driver at the time to be off the hook. That person will then receive a fine notice and be subject to loss of licence if they fail to pay.

If not, it is their own responsibility to get the fine reimbursed from
the person who actually drove the car.

** You are just making this mad shit up aren't you ??

The law is NOT what you fondly imagine, is IS what legislation says it is.

Try looking it up sometime.


...... Phil

 

edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote in
news:eb14d177-e37f-43a1-a20e-1b259bcec880@googlegroups.com:

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 7:56:41 PM UTC-7, k...@notreal.com
wrote:
On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 20:11:22 -0700 (PDT),
edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 7:30:43 PM UTC-7, k...@notreal.com
wrote:
On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 07:17:23 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, October 6, 2019 at 10:07:51 PM UTC-4,
k...@notreal.com wro
te:
On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 18:53:45 -0700 (PDT),
edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, October 6, 2019 at 6:40:36 PM UTC-7,
k...@notreal.com w
rote:
On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 17:48:17 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, October 6, 2019 at 2:05:18 AM UTC-4,
edward...@gmail
.com wrote:

"Sono Motors suggests its car charge up just over 18
miles on
a 24% efficient solar cell. If NovaSolix can get to that 90%
number, that’s 67 miles of sunlight driving. The average daily
miles driven in the USA is about 40 miles per person."


14,600 miles per year? I generally drive under 3,000
miles p
er year.

And we drive well over 15,000 miles on each vehicle each
year.

So, average of 14,000 per year or 40 miles per day sound
right. A
ctually, i drive more due to limited charging stations and keep
making additional trips to keep charge up. With on-board solar
charger, i can probably drive less.

It's just under that to and from work. There are also a
few 1200mi trips in there (and one this coming week).

NovaSolix's 40% solar modules on roof and hood is close to
a level
1 charger onboard.

Complete nonsense.

Yes, many times you are full of nonsense.

40% is indeed nonsense, moron.


Sun light is half visible, half UV & IR. Photovoltaic cell is
limited t
o only half of the solar energy (probably less than 30%). Carbon
nanotube tuning to the visible and IR region can capture upwards
of 40%. Several companies demonstrated the potential, some had
real prototype. I guess the world is full of "nonsense", moron.

Even you admit it's a dream. Moron.

It's not a dream. The technique is well known. It's just a
matter of mastering the grow of CNT-RA, Moron. Is "Moron" a
common way to greet people in your culture. If so, i respect your
culture, Moron.

Good job. Put the fucking retarded moron in his place.

 

[Rob]

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

** You are just making this mad shit up aren't you ??

The law is NOT what you fondly imagine, is IS what legislation says it is.

We have many more laws that you may find mad shit (and we do, too)
but still they are what they are.

Another one is that for the administrative traffic offenses like
parking in an illegal spot or driving a bit too fast (not by a huge amount)
the ticket has to be paid BEFORE you are allowed to appeal.

So when you receive a ticket that you believe cannot be true (e.g.
refers to a spot where you never have been), you can send a letter
to the agency claiming that it wasn't you, but it will not be processed
until you have paid. Only then the case will be evaluated and possibly
you will get your money back. When you do not pay before, the usual
payment period and increases apply.

Sure it is harsh, but it has been made this way after lots of people
just refused to pay and made appeals even when they knew they were
false, just to delay the case and generally disrupt the system.

 

[Rob]

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

Rob the Idiot wrote:
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It does not matter that the owner isn't the driver.
The owner is the one responsible for offenses made by people driving
the car he owns, unless he can prove that the car was stolen (he needs
to report that fact to the police, and doing so when it is not true is
a criminal offense) or that he has a contract to rent it to someone
else (like car lease companies have).


** Not where I live Australia) and I bet most other places too.

The owner only has only supply authorities with correct details of the driver at the time to be off the hook. That person will then receive a fine notice and be subject to loss of licence if they fail to pay.

I said "here". "Here" is in the Netherlands. Here the registrant
of the license plate is responsible for most traffic offenses made
with the car. The only exceptions are when the car is stolen, or when
a rental contract (signed by both parties) exists.

If not, it is their own responsibility to get the fine reimbursed from
the person who actually drove the car.


** You are just making this mad shit up aren't you ??

No.

The law is NOT what you fondly imagine, is IS what legislation says it is.

Try looking it up sometime.

It is how I described that it is.

 

[whit3rd]

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 8:59:37 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 11:55:35 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/8/19 11:53 AM, bitrex wrote:

Maybe so. In the modern (real) world the emotional reaction of "rage" in
response to almost any situation is almost always counterproductive ...

Well, unless you're the President, that is.

But he's usually right.

The customer is always right. The president isn't in the same class.

 

[Rick C]

On Wednesday, October 9, 2019 at 10:57:51 AM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 8:59:37 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 11:55:35 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/8/19 11:53 AM, bitrex wrote:

Maybe so. In the modern (real) world the emotional reaction of "rage" in
response to almost any situation is almost always counterproductive ....

Well, unless you're the President, that is.

But he's usually right.

The customer is always right. The president isn't in the same class.

LOL... I am sure the President is always right... just not about thing being discussed. But he is right about something all the time.

I recall when Reagan became President in spite of the fact that most of his campaigning was just him acting. I was amazed that a decent actor could fake his way into the Presidency (compared to the many very bad actors that most politicians are). But now I am completely floored that we could elect a total buffoon on the same basis that we select hosts of reality shows, by how much drama they can create.

I know there have been a number of stories about government being run in strange ways like in Idiocracy, but I never expected any of them to come true..

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[bitrex]

On 10/8/19 11:54 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

bitrex wrote:

---------------

I could go an and on - but you get the idea.

It was the boss' fault at the end of the day I think for letting his
missus work at his business like that's somehow always a great idea. She
was always an asshole. He married the broad, after all.


** Well, Mrs Sue Cashmore was not about to sit home all day doing nothing - and I do suspect she was unemployable elsewhere.


People who have to resort to hiring their family tend to be tyrants who
can't keep employees they get from the open market for any length of
time. Whatever job you have that needs doing, I guarantee someone from
your family is not the most qualified to do it. I seem to remember
there's someone here who does that though...


** Yep.

But there is an even worse scenario that I fell foul of one time - with the person acting as company receptionist.

A young lady, who took all incoming phone calls and could listen in to calls in progress - so she knew pretty much everything going on at any time and where everybody was, in and out of the building.

She could and sometime did cause huge trouble by using knowledge so gained and not revealing how she new it.

However, a major hazard arose for those NOT in the know - as she was also the boss's mistress and drinking partner ( both were serious alcoholics ) likely the only thing they really had in common.

Have any kind of falling out with her and your time as employee or outside repair contractor like me was about to be over.


The teenage office staffer probably liked you. Was she 18? Was that even
the age of consent in Australia at the time?


** She was about 18 and no she did not like me, nor any of the techs.

We were all downstairs in a cold and open factory area while the office folk and boss were upstairs in a cosy warm place - and the atmosphere going on between was like that of a war.

Well, at the very least I don't remember everything some dumb binny in
the office says to me for years or whether she was polite about it, or
not. Usually I'm in the process of forgetting what she say as fast as
she can say it if the words are otherwise irrelevant to my life.

Life's just more pleasant that way.

If I were a younger man I'd have least tried to get her phone # on the
way out

** One valuable thing I learned from that job was to always get phone numbers from the people you work next to. After being fired, I could not contact any of them as we were all dismissed on the same day, in my case on the street outside the premises as I arrived.

I made a complaint to the relevant Govt Department about my treatment and was openly disbelieved. The boss owed me pay in lieu of notice and holiday pay.

Why do you need everyone's phone numbers? The people you work with
generally shouldn't be your friends, too. Your friends are your friends.
Just the fact that you and them have to show up in the same place day
after day to get paid is a low bar for friendship IMO

I treat the people I work with as the professionals I expect that they
are, not necessarily my personal buddies. Nah, I don't want to throw
back some brewskies at your Christmas party, or meet your
wife/girlfriend/kids. Doesn't mean I don't like you but I don't find
that form of "fraternization" appropriate.

But this is also perhaps a somewhat "cultural" thing to do in New
England it can be different elsewhere like e.g. Silicon Valley.

Eventually, I got a few days holiday pay, but he made up a wild story about me to avoid the "pay in lieu". Along the way however, I found out that there had been three similar complaints about the same firm *after* mine and another two on file in the previous months.

So the other thing I learned was the most important questions to ask at a job interview it you are offered the job:

Q:

What happened with to the guy I am replacing and could you have him call me ?

If the interviewer refuses to comply with the above, get up and walk out the fucking door.



..... Phil

 

[Rick C]

On Wednesday, October 9, 2019 at 4:10:15 AM UTC-4, Rob wrote:

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 3:45:26 AM UTC-4, Rob wrote:
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
Who has to go to court for camera offenses, the driver or the owner?

Do they have good footage of the driver's face?

Here the owner of the car is responsible for such offenses and it is
not important who drove the car. But you can present evidence that the
car was stolen or rented to someone else at the time the offense was made.

Not true. The driver is the one at fault, not the owner. They just assume the two are the same unless you can prove or at least make an official statement to the contrary. To make the official statement at least requires taking a day off and dealing with the hassle of going to a hearing in a very inconvenient location.

What do you mean "Not True"???? TRUE! it is the law here, no
matter how often you say "Not True".

OK, not true here!

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[bitrex]

On 10/9/19 1:39 PM, bitrex wrote:

** One valuable thing I learned from that job was to always get phone
numbers from the people you work next to. After being fired, I could
not contact any of them as we were all dismissed on the same day, in
my case on the street outside the premises as I arrived.

I made a complaint to the relevant Govt Department about my treatment
and was openly disbelieved. The boss owed me pay in lieu of notice and
holiday pay.

Why do you need everyone's phone numbers? The people you work with
generally shouldn't be your friends, too. Your friends are your friends.
Just the fact that you and them have to show up in the same place day
after day to get paid is a low bar for friendship IMO

Or in other words if you feel your office environment can be war-like
(it can be) you don't want to be best pals with every guy who shows up
there for the same reason the veterans often didn't want to become best
pals with the FNG in Viet Nam.

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christense]

tirsdag den 8. oktober 2019 kl. 07.00.05 UTC+2 skrev Rick C:

On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 10:25:48 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 10/7/19 10:17 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 10:01:18 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 10/7/19 9:37 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 12:49:47 PM UTC-4, Rob wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
I think it may actually a high intensity array of white LEDs, not a
strobe. People put all sorts of weird crap on the license plates to try
to defeat 'em like IR LEDs or blinking LEDs pointing backwards, and
darkly tinted plate covers, reflective tape, stuff like that. High
intensity visible light flash will defeat any of that low-effort ideas I
believe.

Over here that is an offense that would result in a hefty fine when
you are caught. Maybe that is because most traffic tickets are issued
after cameras have taken pictures some way, and it has been like that
for decades. I believe in the USA for many situations it is required
that you are being stopped by a policeman, but that rarely happens here.

No, traffic cameras are widely used, just not all that pervasively.... i.e. not at every intersection. Usually they are used at trouble spots.

The problem I have is that they are often operated by a company on a profit sharing basis with the local jurisdiction. So the company has little incentive to be accurate, rather they have every incentive to issue summons. There is no police officer reviewing anything. More importantly, there is no accuser to question in court. In fact, in many jurisdictions they don't even give you a trial, it's a hearing with a review board.

You don't get a trial because civil infractions, taken individually,
aren't crimes

Sorry, don't understand. Traffic tickets get a trial when issued by a cop. How is this different?

What kind of "trial" are we talking? Around here for civil infractions
like speeding and running red lights you go before a judge and plead
your case to the best of your ability with the 20 seconds you have
available (there are lot of people waiting...) and the judge says "Eh,
no" and you usually leave with nothing but your original ticket and
still a fine to pay. it's that way even if they're issued by a police
officer

Who has to go to court for camera offenses, the driver or the owner?

Do they have good footage of the driver's face?

usually yes, though for small speeding fine that won't affect your license
it isn't needed the owner just gets the fine

technically the law requires the owner to tell who was the driver at request of the police, but at the same time can't be forced to incriminate one self or family

 

[bitrex]

On 10/9/19 3:28 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

tirsdag den 8. oktober 2019 kl. 07.00.05 UTC+2 skrev Rick C:
On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 10:25:48 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 10/7/19 10:17 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 10:01:18 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 10/7/19 9:37 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 12:49:47 PM UTC-4, Rob wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
I think it may actually a high intensity array of white LEDs, not a
strobe. People put all sorts of weird crap on the license plates to try
to defeat 'em like IR LEDs or blinking LEDs pointing backwards, and
darkly tinted plate covers, reflective tape, stuff like that. High
intensity visible light flash will defeat any of that low-effort ideas I
believe.

Over here that is an offense that would result in a hefty fine when
you are caught. Maybe that is because most traffic tickets are issued
after cameras have taken pictures some way, and it has been like that
for decades. I believe in the USA for many situations it is required
that you are being stopped by a policeman, but that rarely happens here.

No, traffic cameras are widely used, just not all that pervasively... i.e. not at every intersection. Usually they are used at trouble spots.

The problem I have is that they are often operated by a company on a profit sharing basis with the local jurisdiction. So the company has little incentive to be accurate, rather they have every incentive to issue summons. There is no police officer reviewing anything. More importantly, there is no accuser to question in court. In fact, in many jurisdictions they don't even give you a trial, it's a hearing with a review board.

You don't get a trial because civil infractions, taken individually,
aren't crimes

Sorry, don't understand. Traffic tickets get a trial when issued by a cop. How is this different?

What kind of "trial" are we talking? Around here for civil infractions
like speeding and running red lights you go before a judge and plead
your case to the best of your ability with the 20 seconds you have
available (there are lot of people waiting...) and the judge says "Eh,
no" and you usually leave with nothing but your original ticket and
still a fine to pay. it's that way even if they're issued by a police
officer

Who has to go to court for camera offenses, the driver or the owner?

Do they have good footage of the driver's face?

usually yes, though for small speeding fine that won't affect your license
it isn't needed the owner just gets the fine

technically the law requires the owner to tell who was the driver at request of the police, but at the same time can't be forced to incriminate one self or family

I'm legitimately curious what would happen if one went with the above
defense when facing a judge in a US traffic court.

99.9% of people wouldn't have the stones to do that during a bench
hearing in front of a real judge with 50-100 other people in court with
you listening to everything you say. I bet it's rarely if ever been tried.

I'm totally confident the court would not just say "Oh, we hadn't
thought of that!" and just waive your fine and waive everyone else's, too.