Electric Cars Not Yet Viable

[bitrex]

On 6/25/19 7:53 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 6/25/19 5:51 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 1:24:44 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 6/25/19 1:21 PM, bitrex wrote:

And you know what a young person might say at that point? FUCK YOU, OLD
MAN. Ha!

and I don't blame them one bit. Tell an old boostrap-theory
Puritan-work-ethic codger who could buy a new car for $2000 in 1973vto
go fuck themselves, today. It feels great!


Don't have to like it. Probably won't. Keep in mind though that a lot of
the "kids these days" think guillotines are a more cost-effective option
than caring for aging boomers who always want to go on and on about how
easy it all is.

Maybe we shouldn't teach French anymore?


citizens in positions of real power regularly, who are somewhat less
than pushing 75 years old on average, would probably be enough to please
'em.

The kids these days know well enough that the experience and wisdom that
can come with age has advantages in positions like that but lately often
have trouble finding anything but 10 year olds in 70 year old bodies
occupying them.

they accurately recognize having the bumbling and elderly running things
as the luxury-social-security-in-all-but-name program that it is and
start thinking about questions of expendability

Everyone's so shocked that there's a 29 y/o female ex-bartender holding
a seat in Congress only thing shocking is that it didn't happen sooner
given that prolly near half of her age bracket is stuck working service
industry dead-end jobs.

What in the world does Joe Biden "friend of the working class" (and also
friend of vicious racist James Eastland apparently) know about a damn
thing of working a real job for a living in the current century?

 

[bitrex]

On 6/25/19 5:51 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 1:24:44 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 6/25/19 1:21 PM, bitrex wrote:

And you know what a young person might say at that point? FUCK YOU, OLD
MAN. Ha!

and I don't blame them one bit. Tell an old boostrap-theory
Puritan-work-ethic codger who could buy a new car for $2000 in 1973vto
go fuck themselves, today. It feels great!


Don't have to like it. Probably won't. Keep in mind though that a lot of
the "kids these days" think guillotines are a more cost-effective option
than caring for aging boomers who always want to go on and on about how
easy it all is.

Maybe we shouldn't teach French anymore?

citizens in positions of real power regularly, who are somewhat less
than pushing 75 years old on average, would probably be enough to please
'em.

The kids these days know well enough that the experience and wisdom that
can come with age has advantages in positions like that but lately often
have trouble finding anything but 10 year olds in 70 year old bodies
occupying them.

they accurately recognize having the bumbling and elderly running things
as the luxury-social-security-in-all-but-name program that it is and
start thinking about questions of expendability

 

[John Doe]

Once again, this drug crazed lunatic is falling into the pattern
of replying twice...

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On 6/25/19 7:53 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 6/25/19 5:51 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 1:24:44 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 6/25/19 1:21 PM, bitrex wrote:

And you know what a young person might say at that point? FUCK YOU, OLD
MAN. Ha!

and I don't blame them one bit. Tell an old boostrap-theory
Puritan-work-ethic codger who could buy a new car for $2000 in 1973vto
go fuck themselves, today. It feels great!


Don't have to like it. Probably won't. Keep in mind though that a lot of
the "kids these days" think guillotines are a more cost-effective option
than caring for aging boomers who always want to go on and on about how
easy it all is.

Maybe we shouldn't teach French anymore?


citizens in positions of real power regularly, who are somewhat less
than pushing 75 years old on average, would probably be enough to please
'em.

The kids these days know well enough that the experience and wisdom that
can come with age has advantages in positions like that but lately often
have trouble finding anything but 10 year olds in 70 year old bodies
occupying them.

they accurately recognize having the bumbling and elderly running things
as the luxury-social-security-in-all-but-name program that it is and
start thinking about questions of expendability

Everyone's so shocked that there's a 29 y/o female ex-bartender holding
a seat in Congress only thing shocking is that it didn't happen sooner
given that prolly near half of her age bracket is stuck working service
industry dead-end jobs.

What in the world does Joe Biden "friend of the working class" (and also
friend of vicious racist James Eastland apparently) know about a damn
thing of working a real job for a living in the current century?

 

[John Doe]

The drug crazed lunatic still fails to explain
its delusion about my post having anything to do
with gender stereotypes...

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On 6/25/19 4:59 PM, John Doe wrote:
The drug-crazed troll provides no explanation for its delusion
of gender discrimination in my prior post. Was its reply born
of anything except insanity?


I'll rephrase so my point is more clear to you, vis:

"I saw a paraglider die who should have died. Setting a horrible
example. Acting like a lunatic while taking off. That's how evolution
works."

only if you're a fuckhead who doesn't understand how evolution works.

 

[Rick C]

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 8:41:08 PM UTC-4, George Herold wrote:

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 5:50:16 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:

You can't seem to grasp the concept. First your assumption that all of the smart people go to college is flat out wrong. Many of the people I know who did not go to college are very smart. It is not at all uncommon for college to be unaffordable, so the utility of the idea of free college.
Huh, OK I agree college is too expensive, but why go to 'make it free',
rather than, asking how to make it less expensive, free is the wrong
incentive.

First, when they say, "free", there would still be barriers to getting into college. Hopefully they just wouldn't be economic.

Well, sure then, but not "less expensive" which still means expensive. How about "affordable" which will require something like the ACA where there are means tests and subsidies all the way up to a free ride. There are scholarships now based on need. It would be good to have those available to anyone otherwise qualified to attend college.

Ok, how about this alteration to the idea. Only people going in to rather high paid professions should get free schooling. So no free college for doctors. In fact, make them pay for primary and secondary schooling as well. lol


(I also think making college 'free' will continue the rising cost of
higher education, but that's a separate issue.)

I would tend to agree with you. Many of the high priced schools are state universities. But if they are already rising, will government sponsorship change that? Maybe they will apply economic forces to push the costs back down?


So you think college should be 'free'? Why?

The same reason why primary and secondary school should be free.
Huh? How is that free? Don't you pay taxes in your state?
Who is building/ maintaining the schools and paying the teachers?

Public schools are for everyone, college is for the smart ones.

But that is a fallacy in more than one way.

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[bitrex]

On 6/25/19 8:50 PM, John Doe wrote:

Once again, this drug crazed lunatic is falling into the pattern
of replying twice...

it's well past your bedtime, old timer. Hit the hay and dream about how
you'll never experience pussy again

 

[bitrex]

On 6/25/19 8:51 PM, John Doe wrote:

Hey Looney, you forgot to reply to your own post here!

It's well past your bedtime, old timer. Hit the hay and dream about how
you'll never experience pussy again

 

[John Doe]

Hey Looney, you forgot to reply to your own post here!

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On 6/24/19 6:06 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 7:17:27 AM UTC+2, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 1:02:52 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 00:41:49 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
curd notformail.com> wrote:


And if there is no quantum leap in battery technology, they may never be
viable.


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-23/inconvenient-truth-electric-cars

A gasoline pump moves about 10 GPM, which is equivalent to around 20
megawatts electrical. A car can fill up with gasoline in a few
minutes. Mine typically takes a minute or so.

If it takes an hour to fast-charge an electric car, the stall is
occupied for an hour. Or more if the owner doesn't immediately move
the car when it's charged. That's going to take some serious real
estate, and some serious waiting times.

Having more electric cars, even 25%, is going to need some major
logistics.

Why doesn't this guy get that EVs don't need a service station on every corner? Is he really that stupid or just obstinate?

Here, John, in case you are having trouble reading the small print...

EVS DON'T NEED CHARGING STATIONS WHEN PEOPLE CAN CHARGE AT HOME!!!

Did that get through?

Wow!

According to Bill, cars spend 95% of their time sitting. So there is a lot of time available to charge cars.

It's not "according to me". It's according to the people who have spent the time to look at it carefully. I provided links to my sources in the thread you are referring to. It does seem to be a widely accepted figure.

EVs use parking spaces when they charge, existing parking spaces. Gas pumps are made so you can pull through so lots of wasted space. Turn a 16 pump Sheets into an EV charging point and I bet you can get 30 or 40 charging spaces. I think Tesla actually has a station with 40 chargers.

They install nearly all Superchargers in existing parking decks and parking lots. No additional real estate needed! So maybe those gas stations can be blown up and turned into parks! Wouldn't that be awesome?

Not awesome perhaps, but a useful spot of urban improvement.



as far as I can tell JL neither believes that there are environmental
consequences to burning fossil fuels, or that the supply of fossil fuels
is in any way practically limited in other than a theoretical sense.

There's little point I guess to arguing for efficiency concerns with
someone who believes in a religious way that the thermodynamic
efficiency of motorized conveyances is of no practical concern.

 

[bitrex]

On 6/25/19 10:50 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 10:47:16 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 6/24/19 3:52 PM, omnilobe@gmail.com wrote:
A battery exchange station will replace the gas station.
It is faster to remove a battery block and put a fresh
block in than it is to fill a tank with gasoline. It is
safer than a self-driving auto-pilot tesla.


The flat packs weigh the better part of a 1000 lbs and fill most of the
negative space under the floor of the car how do you propose to swap
them out rapidly? they're part of the structure of the car

Tesla was working on this approach. I believe it was fairly recently (last four years maybe) they decided to drop the idea.

I would assume this was for something like taxis or other use where you need to keep the vehicle on the road most of the time. It's really not that big of a deal for a standard use vehicle even on trips.

Maybe something like a flat-pack that slides in from the back underneath
and connects to power terminals in the front, and then yanks out with
like, dolly wheels that drop out of it to support its weight as it's
pulled back out to make the swap.

seems real awkward just in description. the chassis would end up even
heavier to support the mechanics of it.

The Volt and Model 3 both weigh about 3,700 - 4,000 lbs depending
they're already too friggin' heavy as-is and you'd never mistake the
Volt for a sports car in a tight curve that's for sure, I bet it's
similar with the 3

 

[bitrex]

On 6/25/19 10:50 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 10:47:16 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 6/24/19 3:52 PM, omnilobe@gmail.com wrote:
A battery exchange station will replace the gas station.
It is faster to remove a battery block and put a fresh
block in than it is to fill a tank with gasoline. It is
safer than a self-driving auto-pilot tesla.


The flat packs weigh the better part of a 1000 lbs and fill most of the
negative space under the floor of the car how do you propose to swap
them out rapidly? they're part of the structure of the car

Tesla was working on this approach. I believe it was fairly recently (last four years maybe) they decided to drop the idea.

It's hard to see a way to do it with current battery tech at the volumes
that there have to be to get ~250 mile ranges without compromising the
interior space and/or ergonomics and passenger comfort.

The Volt's battery is down the centerline and is user-replaceable, more
or less, in a couple hours work with basic garage tools. Might be able
to automate that process somewhat by changing the design, hinged
compartment and quick-release connectors etc, and with experienced tech
and/or bespoke mechanized assistance get it down to five or ten minutes.

But even at its smaller capacity that design compromises the interior
there's no sense denying it.

I would assume this was for something like taxis or other use where you need to keep the vehicle on the road most of the time. It's really not that big of a deal for a standard use vehicle even on trips.

The driver has to stop to pee and get something to eat sometime, do a
quick charge. Yeah doing that over and over probably not great for the
battery but a single hackney carriage license in Boston costs something
like $150,000 a year, fleets can afford to pound their vehicles (and
they do!)

 

[Rick C]

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 10:47:16 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 6/24/19 3:52 PM, omnilobe@gmail.com wrote:
A battery exchange station will replace the gas station.
It is faster to remove a battery block and put a fresh
block in than it is to fill a tank with gasoline. It is
safer than a self-driving auto-pilot tesla.


The flat packs weigh the better part of a 1000 lbs and fill most of the
negative space under the floor of the car how do you propose to swap
them out rapidly? they're part of the structure of the car

Tesla was working on this approach. I believe it was fairly recently (last four years maybe) they decided to drop the idea.

I would assume this was for something like taxis or other use where you need to keep the vehicle on the road most of the time. It's really not that big of a deal for a standard use vehicle even on trips.

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[bitrex]

On 6/24/19 3:52 PM, omnilobe@gmail.com wrote:

A battery exchange station will replace the gas station.
It is faster to remove a battery block and put a fresh
block in than it is to fill a tank with gasoline. It is
safer than a self-driving auto-pilot tesla.

The flat packs weigh the better part of a 1000 lbs and fill most of the
negative space under the floor of the car how do you propose to swap
them out rapidly? they're part of the structure of the car

 

[John Doe]

Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com> wrote:

Tom Gardner wrote...

Nowhere near as sexy/sleek/stylish as a modern glider.

Hah, talk about an EV being crippled w/o a big charger,
your glider is crippled w/o another entire airplane!

Nope.

"Epic Shear - Fort Funston Hang Gliding, June 27, 2015"

https://youtu.be/UUFS55m_a_4

No need for a motor.

 

trader4@optonline.net wrote in news:838bd0e2-a366-4116-9dc7-
61bd0b5565d7@googlegroups.com:

Heh, I didn't start the off topic thread, numb-nuts.

Look up 7 lines from that stupid post to find your previous stupid
post. It had nothing to do with EV cars.

You were spouting utter horseshit, and you do that a lot, dumbfuck.

The EV car post IS on topic. YOU are not.

 

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
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On 6/25/19 8:50 PM, John Doe wrote:
Once again, this drug crazed lunatic is falling into the pattern
of replying twice...


it's well past your bedtime, old timer. Hit the hay and dream
about how you'll never experience pussy again

Heheheh.. I'd laugh at that for a dollar... no... for free.

 

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
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On 6/25/19 8:51 PM, John Doe wrote:
Hey Looney, you forgot to reply to your own post here!


It's well past your bedtime, old timer. Hit the hay and dream
about how you'll never experience pussy again

Heheheh.. I'd laugh at that for a dollar... no... for free.

 

[John Doe]

"You can't live with them, you can't live without them".

And speaking of pussy, here's one...

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On 6/25/19 8:51 PM, John Doe wrote:
Hey Looney, you forgot to reply to your own post here!


It's well past your bedtime, old timer. Hit the hay and dream about how
you'll never experience pussy again

 

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 8:02:15 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 6/25/19 7:53 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 6/25/19 5:51 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 1:24:44 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 6/25/19 1:21 PM, bitrex wrote:

And you know what a young person might say at that point? FUCK YOU, OLD
MAN. Ha!

and I don't blame them one bit. Tell an old boostrap-theory
Puritan-work-ethic codger who could buy a new car for $2000 in 1973vto
go fuck themselves, today. It feels great!


Don't have to like it. Probably won't. Keep in mind though that a lot of
the "kids these days" think guillotines are a more cost-effective option
than caring for aging boomers who always want to go on and on about how
easy it all is.

Maybe we shouldn't teach French anymore?


citizens in positions of real power regularly, who are somewhat less
than pushing 75 years old on average, would probably be enough to please
'em.

The kids these days know well enough that the experience and wisdom that
can come with age has advantages in positions like that but lately often
have trouble finding anything but 10 year olds in 70 year old bodies
occupying them.

they accurately recognize having the bumbling and elderly running things
as the luxury-social-security-in-all-but-name program that it is and
start thinking about questions of expendability

Everyone's so shocked that there's a 29 y/o female ex-bartender holding
a seat in Congress only thing shocking is that it didn't happen sooner
given that prolly near half of her age bracket is stuck working service
industry dead-end jobs.

You think just maybe that's because she got a degree in economics and is
dumb as a brick?

What in the world does Joe Biden "friend of the working class" (and also
friend of vicious racist James Eastland apparently) know about a damn
thing of working a real job for a living in the current century?

 

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 6:59:18 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 6:10:20 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 22:02:42 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

If it takes an hour to fast-charge an electric car, the stall is
occupied for an hour. Or more if the owner doesn't immediately move the
car when it's charged. That's going to take some serious real estate,
and some serious waiting times.

I can't believe some people are dumb enough to be buying EVs at this
early stage in their development. It can't be anything other than virtue-
signalling.

You love your labels and buzzwords. I bought an electric car because it is a great car. It's the fastest car I'll ever own and faster than 99% of the cars on the road. It has a lot of great features... and I get the fuel free for the rest of my life.

Seems like virtue-signalling is your thing as no one else here talks about it.


Having more electric cars, even 25%, is going to need some major
logistics.

The battery technology isn't here yet.

That is simply not a supportable statement in any real way. Obviously the battery technology *is* here as Tesla has sold a lot of cars so there are over half a million people who disagree with you. By the end of the year it will be closer to 1 million people who disagree with you.


A quantum leap breakthrough
(nothing less) in battery building - something totally novel - is the
only way these things can seriously challenge IC vehicles. They'll never
come close as things stand with poor range and absurdly long charging
times. Whoever gets to discover and patent that new battery will become
richer than Croesus and more famous than Edison.

On the way home I was approached by a couple asking about charging.

Did you give them your referal code to Tesla, so you can make a buck?

 

[Rick C]

On Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 10:51:07 AM UTC-4, tra...@optonline.net wrote:

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 10:50:32 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 10:47:16 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 6/24/19 3:52 PM, omnilobe@gmail.com wrote:
A battery exchange station will replace the gas station.
It is faster to remove a battery block and put a fresh
block in than it is to fill a tank with gasoline. It is
safer than a self-driving auto-pilot tesla.


The flat packs weigh the better part of a 1000 lbs and fill most of the
negative space under the floor of the car how do you propose to swap
them out rapidly? they're part of the structure of the car

Tesla was working on this approach. I believe it was fairly recently (last four years maybe) they decided to drop the idea.

I would assume this was for something like taxis or other use where you need to keep the vehicle on the road most of the time. It's really not that big of a deal for a standard use vehicle even on trips.


See what you say when you have a family emergency and need to travel 400
miles and your car is near empty Even to go on a ski trip from NYC to VT
it's absurd. It's already a five or six hour trip and who wants to
make it even longer? I'm not going to plan my life around my car's
limitations.

We have a member here who actually keeps a bug out bag in case there is some emergency that means he has to leave his home for some time. No, I don't prepare for that, but then I have more than one home. I'm not going to plan my life around an event with 10,000 to 1 odds.

No one is asking you to do anything. I wouldn't mind if you stop posting drivel about EVs, but otherwise you are not relevant to the EV discussion. You are the "pry my spark plug wrench from my cold dead hands" type who is not going to participate in any meaningful way until the last gas station in your town closes. Ok, we got that.

You don't actually listen to anything anyone else posts. You have an idea in your mind and refuse to be open to a meaningful discussion.

Ok, are we done here?

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Rick C.

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