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On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 08:29:06 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
On 24/06/19 06:17, Rick C wrote:
EVS DON'T NEED CHARGING STATIONS WHEN PEOPLE CAN CHARGE AT HOME!!!
Did that get through?
MANY CAN'T!!!
Did that get through?
He probably lives in a ranch-style house with a lawn and a carport and
a swimming pool in the burbs somewhere. Not everybody does.
I park on the street. I couldn't run an extension cord to my car,
On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 15:37:06 +0100, Andy Bennet <andyb@andy.com
wrote:
On 24/06/2019 06:02, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 00:41:49 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
curd@notformail.com> wrote:
And if there is no quantum leap in battery technology, they may never be
viable.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-23/inconvenient-truth-electric-cars
A gasoline pump moves about 10 GPM, which is equivalent to around 20
megawatts electrical. A car can fill up with gasoline in a few
minutes. Mine typically takes a minute or so.
If it takes an hour to fast-charge an electric car, the stall is
occupied for an hour. Or more if the owner doesn't immediately move
the car when it's charged. That's going to take some serious real
estate, and some serious waiting times.
Having more electric cars, even 25%, is going to need some major
logistics.
An EV can take as long as it likes to charge as long as it is ready when
I am.
It takes less than 30 SECONDS OF MY TIME to charge my EV.
Not if you're on a long trip, or away from home.
I park on the street, home and work. I couldn't easily charge. I can
easily fill up my gas tank in a few minutes every couple of weeks. SF
to Truckee, in a snowstorm with the heater and lights running, can be
done nonstop on one tank of gas. When chain controls are in effect,
2WD cars have issues. I don't see many Teslas up there in the winter.
A battery exchange station will replace the gas station.
It is faster to remove a battery block and put a fresh
block in than it is to fill a tank with gasoline. It is
safer than a self-driving auto-pilot tesla.
On 2019/06/23 10:48 p.m., DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
news:qnm0he9eco3tvkoa5qambgeotdd7gf6qvt@4ax.com:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 04:34:43 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:686b0b30-c6fa-4a03-b58e-9994002a7bd8@googlegroups.com:
If you actually were interested in information rather than BS,
you would read the article with a critical mind.
...
Other countries will advance faster than America will. We are too
regulatory prone.
I'm sure you are correct - Bhopal, Love Canal, overcrowded ferries
sinking, no food inspections, etc. are a but small price to pay for
progress. Who needs regulations after all?
However Canadians are kind of stupid that way, we think our government
is here to help protect us from unscrupulous people, countries, and
companies.
Nobody's perfect, so any government can go off the rails from time to
time... Keeping a rein on government's excess is what elections are
supposed to do.
On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 4:28:24 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 12:52:23 -0700 (PDT), omnilobe@gmail.com wrote:
A battery exchange station will replace the gas station.
It is faster to remove a battery block and put a fresh
block in than it is to fill a tank with gasoline. It is
safer than a self-driving auto-pilot tesla.
Is anyone doing that?
Gasoline has enormous weight advantages over batteries. Half of the
chemical inputs don't need to be loaded into the car, and none of the
used reactants need to be schlepped around.
Gasoline is great, and not going away soon.
Still don't electric vehicles have a place.
It's nice to keep the products of (gasoline)
combustion, out of the cities and crowded town
centers. Win's driving situation seems perfect for
an EV. (I see cash kick backs for EVs as more money for
rich people, and so don't like it. I feel the same about
'free' college and college debt forgiveness.)
On 6/24/19 8:36 PM, George Herold wrote:
On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 4:28:24 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 12:52:23 -0700 (PDT), omnilobe@gmail.com wrote:
A battery exchange station will replace the gas station.
It is faster to remove a battery block and put a fresh
block in than it is to fill a tank with gasoline. It is
safer than a self-driving auto-pilot tesla.
Is anyone doing that?
Gasoline has enormous weight advantages over batteries. Half of the
chemical inputs don't need to be loaded into the car, and none of the
used reactants need to be schlepped around.
Gasoline is great, and not going away soon.
Still don't electric vehicles have a place.
It's nice to keep the products of (gasoline)
combustion, out of the cities and crowded town
centers. Win's driving situation seems perfect for
an EV. (I see cash kick backs for EVs as more money for
rich people, and so don't like it. I feel the same about
'free' college and college debt forgiveness.)
George H.
Except if you look at the statistics for e.g. Massachusett's cash
kick-backs for electric car sales the majority didn't go to wealthy
drivers buying luxury-class vehicles like the Model S, Model X, and
Jaguar above, it went to drivers like me buying reasonably-priced
"regular cars" like the Chevy Volt, Nissan Leaf, plug-in Prius, and Model 3.
On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 11:04:47 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 08:29:06 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
On 24/06/19 06:17, Rick C wrote:
EVS DON'T NEED CHARGING STATIONS WHEN PEOPLE CAN CHARGE AT HOME!!!
Did that get through?
MANY CAN'T!!!
Did that get through?
He probably lives in a ranch-style house with a lawn and a carport and
a swimming pool in the burbs somewhere. Not everybody does.
I park on the street. I couldn't run an extension cord to my car,
Yeah, all three of my houses are detached. I have no interest in living where I can't stretch my elbows. I stayed with my brother in his town house after a recent surgery and I actually got claustrophobic.
At some point those who park on the street will have options for charging overnight. It will take some time. Once EVs start to saturate the market for those who have overnight charging options there will be a lot of pressure to provide ways to charge for everyone.
Just like gas stations grew up on street corners all over when fume belching, horse scaring autos appeared, we will be able to rid ourselves of that nuisance and the bother of having to drive to gas stations to gas up the car simply by providing outlets by the curbs as many towns in the north already have.
I may have mentioned that Tesla has started construction of the planned Supercharge in Frederick. That will be a big improvement for me. Huzzah! In another five years level 2 chargers will be much more ubiquitous for local charging. If you can't charge at home, you will be able to charge at work.
Resistance is futile! Over the next 10 years EVs will become the dominant vehicle sold.
--
Rick C.
-++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
On 6/24/19 8:36 PM, George Herold wrote:
On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 4:28:24 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 12:52:23 -0700 (PDT), omnilobe@gmail.com wrote:
A battery exchange station will replace the gas station.
It is faster to remove a battery block and put a fresh
block in than it is to fill a tank with gasoline. It is
safer than a self-driving auto-pilot tesla.
Is anyone doing that?
Gasoline has enormous weight advantages over batteries. Half of the
chemical inputs don't need to be loaded into the car, and none of the
used reactants need to be schlepped around.
Gasoline is great, and not going away soon.
Still don't electric vehicles have a place.
It's nice to keep the products of (gasoline)
combustion, out of the cities and crowded town
centers. Win's driving situation seems perfect for
an EV. (I see cash kick backs for EVs as more money for
rich people, and so don't like it. I feel the same about
'free' college and college debt forgiveness.)
George H.
Except if you look at the statistics for e.g. Massachusett's cash
kick-backs for electric car sales the majority didn't go to wealthy
drivers buying luxury-class vehicles like the Model S, Model X, and
Jaguar above, it went to drivers like me buying reasonably-priced
"regular cars" like the Chevy Volt, Nissan Leaf, plug-in Prius, and Model 3.
Fully 65-70% of the funds did not go to Tesla Motors, at all, it went to
Chevrolet, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Ford, and Volkswagen.
And it's similar in other states, MA is actually an abnormality in how
many luxury cars made the stats.
is being able to afford a single new commuter car from Nissan or Ford or
Chevrolet the definition of "rich", now?
Stupid fucks like you never discuss the topic of the group. YouOn Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 4:01:16 AM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 11:04:47 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 08:29:06 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
On 24/06/19 06:17, Rick C wrote:
EVS DON'T NEED CHARGING STATIONS WHEN PEOPLE CAN CHARGE AT
HOME!!!
Did that get through?
MANY CAN'T!!!
Did that get through?
He probably lives in a ranch-style house with a lawn and a
carport and a swimming pool in the burbs somewhere. Not
everybody does.
I park on the street. I couldn't run an extension cord to my
car,
Yeah, all three of my houses are detached. I have no interest in
living
where I can't stretch my elbows. I stayed with my brother in his
town house after a recent surgery and I actually got
claustrophobic.
At some point those who park on the street will have options for
charging
overnight. It will take some time. Once EVs start to saturate
the market for those who have overnight charging options there
will be a lot of pressure to provide ways to charge for everyone.
Just like gas stations grew up on street corners all over when
fume belch
ing, horse scaring autos appeared, we will be able to rid
ourselves of that nuisance and the bother of having to drive to
gas stations to gas up the car simply by providing outlets by the
curbs as many towns in the north already have.
More electric car derangement syndrome. And I'd rather be scared
by a car, then run over by a silent, deadly electric vehicle.
I may have mentioned that Tesla has started construction of the
planned S
upercharge in Frederick. That will be a big improvement for me.
Huzzah! In another five years level 2 chargers will be much more
ubiquitous for local charging. If you can't charge at home, you
will be able to charge at work.
Resistance is futile! Over the next 10 years EVs will become the
dominan
t vehicle sold.
Sure, dream on. I suppose you think we'll see free healthcare for
illegal aliens, reparations for slavery, the govt paying off all
student loans, retroactive tax refunds for gays, elimination of
airplanes and no more deportation of any illegal aliens too.
On 6/25/19 3:09 AM, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 19:51:50 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 18:41:48 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 6/24/19 5:59 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 24. juni 2019 kl. 22.28.24 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 12:52:23 -0700 (PDT), omnilobe@gmail.com wrote:
A battery exchange station will replace the gas station.
It is faster to remove a battery block and put a fresh
block in than it is to fill a tank with gasoline. It is
safer than a self-driving auto-pilot tesla.
Is anyone doing that?
there was Israeli "Better place" but they went bankrupt
Gasoline has enormous weight advantages over batteries. Half of the
chemical inputs don't need to be loaded into the car, and none of the
used reactants need to be schlepped around.
something like 44MJ/kg vs. 1MJ/kg but electric probably 5 times more efficent that a combustion engine even more in Stop-and-go traffic
as far as I can tell JL neither believes that there are environmental
consequences to burning fossil fuels, or that the supply of fossil fuels
is in any way practically limited in other than a theoretical sense.
CO2 is greening the Earth. We have been in danger of running out over
the last hundred million years. The plants would all die if we don't
feed them.
As long as there are also sufficient more water and nutrients, the
higher CO2 level will increase plant growth.
Oh, do you suppose fresh water supplies _increase_ with increasing human
population and average temperatures?
Ugh, I 'see' you and I as rich.On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 9:06:03 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 6/24/19 8:36 PM, George Herold wrote:
On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 4:28:24 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 12:52:23 -0700 (PDT), omnilobe@gmail.com wrote:
A battery exchange station will replace the gas station.
It is faster to remove a battery block and put a fresh
block in than it is to fill a tank with gasoline. It is
safer than a self-driving auto-pilot tesla.
Is anyone doing that?
Gasoline has enormous weight advantages over batteries. Half of the
chemical inputs don't need to be loaded into the car, and none of the
used reactants need to be schlepped around.
Gasoline is great, and not going away soon.
Still don't electric vehicles have a place.
It's nice to keep the products of (gasoline)
combustion, out of the cities and crowded town
centers. Win's driving situation seems perfect for
an EV. (I see cash kick backs for EVs as more money for
rich people, and so don't like it. I feel the same about
'free' college and college debt forgiveness.)
George H.
Except if you look at the statistics for e.g. Massachusett's cash
kick-backs for electric car sales the majority didn't go to wealthy
drivers buying luxury-class vehicles like the Model S, Model X, and
Jaguar above, it went to drivers like me buying reasonably-priced
"regular cars" like the Chevy Volt, Nissan Leaf, plug-in Prius, and Model 3.
Fully 65-70% of the funds did not go to Tesla Motors, at all, it went to
Chevrolet, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Ford, and Volkswagen.
And it's similar in other states, MA is actually an abnormality in how
many luxury cars made the stats.
is being able to afford a single new commuter car from Nissan or Ford or
Chevrolet the definition of "rich", now?
Yeah I can you and I as 'rich'.
America as 'rich'.
George H.
On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 8:36:04 PM UTC-4, George Herold wrote:
On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 4:28:24 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 12:52:23 -0700 (PDT), omnilobe@gmail.com wrote:
A battery exchange station will replace the gas station.
It is faster to remove a battery block and put a fresh
block in than it is to fill a tank with gasoline. It is
safer than a self-driving auto-pilot tesla.
Is anyone doing that?
Gasoline has enormous weight advantages over batteries. Half of the
chemical inputs don't need to be loaded into the car, and none of the
used reactants need to be schlepped around.
Gasoline is great, and not going away soon.
Still don't electric vehicles have a place.
It's nice to keep the products of (gasoline)
combustion, out of the cities and crowded town
centers. Win's driving situation seems perfect for
an EV. (I see cash kick backs for EVs as more money for
rich people, and so don't like it. I feel the same about
'free' college and college debt forgiveness.)
That makes no sense. "Free" college makes it available to everyone, not just the rich. That is rather the point.
--
Rick C.
+++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 9:06:03 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 6/24/19 8:36 PM, George Herold wrote:
On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 4:28:24 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 12:52:23 -0700 (PDT), omnilobe@gmail.com wrote:
A battery exchange station will replace the gas station.
It is faster to remove a battery block and put a fresh
block in than it is to fill a tank with gasoline. It is
safer than a self-driving auto-pilot tesla.
Is anyone doing that?
Gasoline has enormous weight advantages over batteries. Half of the
chemical inputs don't need to be loaded into the car, and none of the
used reactants need to be schlepped around.
Gasoline is great, and not going away soon.
Still don't electric vehicles have a place.
It's nice to keep the products of (gasoline)
combustion, out of the cities and crowded town
centers. Win's driving situation seems perfect for
an EV. (I see cash kick backs for EVs as more money for
rich people, and so don't like it. I feel the same about
'free' college and college debt forgiveness.)
George H.
Except if you look at the statistics for e.g. Massachusett's cash
kick-backs for electric car sales the majority didn't go to wealthy
drivers buying luxury-class vehicles like the Model S, Model X, and
Jaguar above, it went to drivers like me buying reasonably-priced
"regular cars" like the Chevy Volt, Nissan Leaf, plug-in Prius, and Model 3.
Further incentives may be provided to help continue progress in bringing EVs to market, but that won't continue indefinitely. However, once EVs become pretty well accepted I expect many jurisdictions to add a carbon tax to fossil fueled vehicles at the pump. It will probably start small like $0.25 a gal and increase each year until gasoline and diesel are taxed like cigarettes and liquor.
I figure California will start a fossil fuel carbon tax around 2025. By 2030 ICE autos will be pretty well phased out and the tax will be a dollar or two.
Big trucks may take a bit longer to phase out as they often run for 20 years or more. But there the switch to EVs will be driven by the much lower fuel and maintenance costs anyway, so like my 30 year old refrigerator, it will be cheaper to dump the old iron and go with the more cost effective solution. The sooner you switch, the more money you save.
On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 9:06:03 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 6/24/19 8:36 PM, George Herold wrote:
On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 4:28:24 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 12:52:23 -0700 (PDT), omnilobe@gmail.com wrote:
A battery exchange station will replace the gas station.
It is faster to remove a battery block and put a fresh
block in than it is to fill a tank with gasoline. It is
safer than a self-driving auto-pilot tesla.
Is anyone doing that?
Gasoline has enormous weight advantages over batteries. Half of the
chemical inputs don't need to be loaded into the car, and none of the
used reactants need to be schlepped around.
Gasoline is great, and not going away soon.
Still don't electric vehicles have a place.
It's nice to keep the products of (gasoline)
combustion, out of the cities and crowded town
centers. Win's driving situation seems perfect for
an EV. (I see cash kick backs for EVs as more money for
rich people, and so don't like it. I feel the same about
'free' college and college debt forgiveness.)
George H.
Except if you look at the statistics for e.g. Massachusett's cash
kick-backs for electric car sales the majority didn't go to wealthy
drivers buying luxury-class vehicles like the Model S, Model X, and
Jaguar above, it went to drivers like me buying reasonably-priced
"regular cars" like the Chevy Volt, Nissan Leaf, plug-in Prius, and Model 3.
Fully 65-70% of the funds did not go to Tesla Motors, at all, it went to
Chevrolet, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Ford, and Volkswagen.
And it's similar in other states, MA is actually an abnormality in how
many luxury cars made the stats.
is being able to afford a single new commuter car from Nissan or Ford or
Chevrolet the definition of "rich", now?
Yeah I can you and I as 'rich'. I guess I see most of middle class
America as 'rich'.
George H.
On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 03:21:13 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
as far as I can tell JL neither believes that there are environmental
consequences to burning fossil fuels, or that the supply of fossil fuels
is in any way practically limited in other than a theoretical sense.
CO2 is greening the Earth. We have been in danger of running out over
the last hundred million years. The plants would all die if we don't
feed them.
As long as there are also sufficient more water and nutrients, the
higher CO2 level will increase plant growth.
Oh, do you suppose fresh water supplies _increase_ with increasing human
population and average temperatures?
With higher temperatures, the evaporation from sea and land will
increase, adding H2O into the atmosphere. To maintain humidity levels
below saturation, this will also increase total rainfall.
The rain might not fall in the same places as previously, but the
total rainfall is proportional to evaporation.
On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 8:36:04 PM UTC-4, George Herold wrote:
On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 4:28:24 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 12:52:23 -0700 (PDT), omnilobe@gmail.com wrote:
A battery exchange station will replace the gas station.
It is faster to remove a battery block and put a fresh
block in than it is to fill a tank with gasoline. It is
safer than a self-driving auto-pilot tesla.
Is anyone doing that?
Gasoline has enormous weight advantages over batteries. Half of the
chemical inputs don't need to be loaded into the car, and none of the
used reactants need to be schlepped around.
Gasoline is great, and not going away soon.
Still don't electric vehicles have a place.
It's nice to keep the products of (gasoline)
combustion, out of the cities and crowded town
centers. Win's driving situation seems perfect for
an EV. (I see cash kick backs for EVs as more money for
rich people, and so don't like it. I feel the same about
'free' college and college debt forgiveness.)
That makes no sense. "Free" college makes it available to everyone, not just the rich. That is rather the point.
On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 11:26:26 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 6/25/19 4:37 AM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 9:06:03 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 6/24/19 8:36 PM, George Herold wrote:
On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 4:28:24 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 12:52:23 -0700 (PDT), omnilobe@gmail.com wrote:
A battery exchange station will replace the gas station.
It is faster to remove a battery block and put a fresh
block in than it is to fill a tank with gasoline. It is
safer than a self-driving auto-pilot tesla.
Is anyone doing that?
Gasoline has enormous weight advantages over batteries. Half of the
chemical inputs don't need to be loaded into the car, and none of the
used reactants need to be schlepped around.
Gasoline is great, and not going away soon.
Still don't electric vehicles have a place.
It's nice to keep the products of (gasoline)
combustion, out of the cities and crowded town
centers. Win's driving situation seems perfect for
an EV. (I see cash kick backs for EVs as more money for
rich people, and so don't like it. I feel the same about
'free' college and college debt forgiveness.)
George H.
Except if you look at the statistics for e.g. Massachusett's cash
kick-backs for electric car sales the majority didn't go to wealthy
drivers buying luxury-class vehicles like the Model S, Model X, and
Jaguar above, it went to drivers like me buying reasonably-priced
"regular cars" like the Chevy Volt, Nissan Leaf, plug-in Prius, and Model 3.
Further incentives may be provided to help continue progress in bringing EVs to market, but that won't continue indefinitely. However, once EVs become pretty well accepted I expect many jurisdictions to add a carbon tax to fossil fueled vehicles at the pump. It will probably start small like $0.25 a gal and increase each year until gasoline and diesel are taxed like cigarettes and liquor.
I figure California will start a fossil fuel carbon tax around 2025. By 2030 ICE autos will be pretty well phased out and the tax will be a dollar or two.
Big trucks may take a bit longer to phase out as they often run for 20 years or more. But there the switch to EVs will be driven by the much lower fuel and maintenance costs anyway, so like my 30 year old refrigerator, it will be cheaper to dump the old iron and go with the more cost effective solution. The sooner you switch, the more money you save.
GH sees them as kickbacks to "rich people" - if you also define everyone
who is above the poverty line as "rich"
Right, I'll try and be better with my words. Not the poverty line,
(that's much too low a line)
but do you know any people living pay check to pay check? They
can't afford to invest in a new car, or solar panels for their home...
Let's call it kick backs for the upper middle class.
I don't know, but I'm guessing most of the EV refunds go to the
coastal elite. They have the extra money, and living style that favors
an EV.
George H.
On 6/25/19 4:37 AM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 9:06:03 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 6/24/19 8:36 PM, George Herold wrote:
On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 4:28:24 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 12:52:23 -0700 (PDT), omnilobe@gmail.com wrote:
A battery exchange station will replace the gas station.
It is faster to remove a battery block and put a fresh
block in than it is to fill a tank with gasoline. It is
safer than a self-driving auto-pilot tesla.
Is anyone doing that?
Gasoline has enormous weight advantages over batteries. Half of the
chemical inputs don't need to be loaded into the car, and none of the
used reactants need to be schlepped around.
Gasoline is great, and not going away soon.
Still don't electric vehicles have a place.
It's nice to keep the products of (gasoline)
combustion, out of the cities and crowded town
centers. Win's driving situation seems perfect for
an EV. (I see cash kick backs for EVs as more money for
rich people, and so don't like it. I feel the same about
'free' college and college debt forgiveness.)
George H.
Except if you look at the statistics for e.g. Massachusett's cash
kick-backs for electric car sales the majority didn't go to wealthy
drivers buying luxury-class vehicles like the Model S, Model X, and
Jaguar above, it went to drivers like me buying reasonably-priced
"regular cars" like the Chevy Volt, Nissan Leaf, plug-in Prius, and Model 3.
Further incentives may be provided to help continue progress in bringing EVs to market, but that won't continue indefinitely. However, once EVs become pretty well accepted I expect many jurisdictions to add a carbon tax to fossil fueled vehicles at the pump. It will probably start small like $0.25 a gal and increase each year until gasoline and diesel are taxed like cigarettes and liquor.
I figure California will start a fossil fuel carbon tax around 2025. By 2030 ICE autos will be pretty well phased out and the tax will be a dollar or two.
Big trucks may take a bit longer to phase out as they often run for 20 years or more. But there the switch to EVs will be driven by the much lower fuel and maintenance costs anyway, so like my 30 year old refrigerator, it will be cheaper to dump the old iron and go with the more cost effective solution. The sooner you switch, the more money you save.
GH sees them as kickbacks to "rich people" - if you also define everyone
who is above the poverty line as "rich"
And you know what a young person might say at that point? FUCK YOU, OLD
MAN. Ha!
and I don't blame them one bit. Tell an old boostrap-theory
Puritan-work-ethic codger who could buy a new car for $2000 in 1973vto
go fuck themselves, today. It feels great!