Driver to drive?

On 09/16/2014 01:36 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 08:45:50 -0400, Phil Hobbs
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On 9/15/2014 9:34 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 17:46:03 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
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On Monday, September 15, 2014 3:03:36 PM UTC-4, Don Kuenz wrote:
Do you personally use a plastic solderless breadboard for your

prototypes?

http://www.ebay.com/sch/items/?_nkw=solderless+breadboard

If not, what do you use for your prototypes?

TIA.

Every once in a while, to test something simple, or a simple circuit.
(But I usually regret it, when some wire/connections gets flaky.)
Then it turns into live bug air wires over copper clad.

George H.

--

Don Kuenz

"Dead Bug" is legs up. It is also what you should use from the start,
with form factors being as small as they are these days.


I find that I can do dead bug with 50-mil pitch parts (such as SOICs and
SOT23s) by staggering the leads like saw teeth. The main problem is
that the leads are so fragile, whereas with DIPs you can just solder a
resistor to a pin and bend it anywhere you like without worrying.

Anything smaller than 50 mils is extremely difficult, so breakout boards
come in very handy. For devices where those don't work well (e.g. SC70
microwave transistors), it's sometimes possible to wire them up dead-bug
fashion with 0603s in midair, but that's very fiddly.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I place and wire small sub-circuits onto little silica heat sink tabs
and other ceramic wafers. I glue them down with PCB SMD component
adhesive or simple superglue, If I have already done all the soldering
between nodes, and will not be introducing any more heat.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/nxtztsxh47ug7fp/ceramic.JPG#
Click to expand...

I generally need the free ground plane you get from doing the Cu-clad
thing, but your method is not at all a bad way to handle SMTs. Nice.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
 
On 09/16/2014 02:25 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 08:45:50 -0400, Phil Hobbs
hobbs@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 9/15/2014 9:34 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 17:46:03 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> Gave us:

On Monday, September 15, 2014 3:03:36 PM UTC-4, Don Kuenz wrote:
Do you personally use a plastic solderless breadboard for your

prototypes?

http://www.ebay.com/sch/items/?_nkw=solderless+breadboard

If not, what do you use for your prototypes?

TIA.

Every once in a while, to test something simple, or a simple circuit.
(But I usually regret it, when some wire/connections gets flaky.)
Then it turns into live bug air wires over copper clad.

George H.

--

Don Kuenz

"Dead Bug" is legs up. It is also what you should use from the start,
with form factors being as small as they are these days.


I find that I can do dead bug with 50-mil pitch parts (such as SOICs and
SOT23s) by staggering the leads like saw teeth. The main problem is
that the leads are so fragile, whereas with DIPs you can just solder a
resistor to a pin and bend it anywhere you like without worrying.

Anything smaller than 50 mils is extremely difficult, so breakout boards
come in very handy. For devices where those don't work well (e.g. SC70
microwave transistors), it's sometimes possible to wire them up dead-bug
fashion with 0603s in midair, but that's very fiddly.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

The advantage of the adapter boards is that it's fairly easy to
replace a zapped part. It's awful if you solder a bunch of Rs and Cs
and wires directly to the IC pins.
Click to expand...

It's not usually that bad with dead-bug--everything is high enough up to
begin with that you just bend them all up, sneak a new chip in, and bend
them back down again. You usually lose the bypass caps, because the
leads are so short that they come loose on desoldering, but that's
pretty easy to fix.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
 
On 09/16/2014 02:56 PM, John S wrote:
On 9/16/2014 12:20 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 01:42:49 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> Gave us:

On 9/16/2014 12:52 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 22:16:14 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> Gave us:

On 9/15/2014 9:36 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:


Just 3D print them. A truly "printed" circuit.

I haven't seen an inexpensive metal printer. Better might be a photo
resist printer if it could handle the fine lines often needed. I'm
afraid that a Dremel tool isn't quite the surgeon's scalpel for
placing
0.5 mm pitch quad flat packs. lol

Even so, etching a PCB is a PITA and usually the stuff I do needs
to be
multiple layers. For PCBs one and even two layers is a pretty
limiting
technology. Then there is the assembly work. I don't know that I can
solder anything small anymore. My hand is far from steady these days.


My hand is fine. I can shoot pool without touching the table.

It is my friggin eyes that are going. And probably my heart.

I would always brace my hand on the table, a very solid base is
important to a good shot. If you can do that in the air my hat is off
to you.

Yes. I am, in fact, rock steady and somewhat of a trick shot artist
as I never need a bridge either and shoot ambidextrously. They should
have me on TV between the pro matches.

My eyes get steadily worse as well. But then an 88 year old friend has
macular degeneration and deals with it very well. He can still read
with difficulty and is writing an article on the post Civil War canteens
he collects. So I can't feel too bad...

When I eat a piece of toast I thank the Lord for the fact that I have
it, and continue with my knowledge that so many here on Earth do not
even get a piece of toast in a given day.


I just gotta ask... does anyone here believe this crap?
Click to expand...

Which part don't you like?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
 
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 10:23:43 -0700, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
<DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote:

On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 23:25:06 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com
Gave us:

Have you tried 3D printing yet?

We have several at work, and they make our Circuit Card Test mounting
fixtures for us. Embedded PEMs and lots of other features.
Click to expand...

Cool. The da Vinci v1.0 cost about $500 plus whatever the filament
material cost.
<http://us.store.xyzprinting.com>
We did a survey of available low end 3D printers and it was one of few
that looked reasonable and was affordable. Better printers are
available for more money.

> As to your remarks about finish, we bought pro models.

Are you able to get a smooth finish without secondary operations?
<http://machinedesign.com/3d-printing/how-smooth-3d-printed-parts>
I tried hitting some scrap parts with a heat gun and a fast solvent
wash/rinse. These reflow the surface without deforming the part. They
work, but are not exactly my idea of easy or precise.

I guess with
the consumer grade, one gets what one pays for, and the AR-16 Receiver
won't be on your list of capable 'print jobs'.
Click to expand...

The lower receiver is possible, but the upper receiver needs to be
more durable as it has to handle the full gas pressure. Right now,
I'm slowly working with the machine owner on a personalized USB mouse
package. I want ergonomic, while he wants something out of a
futuristic dystopia movie nightmare. Building an arsenal will have to
wait.


--
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
On 16/09/14 19:47, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
On 9/15/2014 8:20 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
dead-bug when both methods apply. All that cutting and stripping
of wires takes ages, and wire-wrap wire is too easy to nick.


you should try enamel wire, just cut to length and dip the end in a
blob of solder on the iron, instant stripping

-Lasse
Click to expand...

You either have lousy enamel or a red-hot iron. In my experience,
most enamel doesn't come off so easily at reasonable soldering
temperatures. The insulation of wire-wrap wire (Kynar?) does
melt easily however. There is no need to strip it before soldering.

Jeroen Belleman
 
On 9/16/2014 2:56 PM, John S wrote:
On 9/16/2014 12:20 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 01:42:49 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> Gave us:

On 9/16/2014 12:52 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 22:16:14 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> Gave us:

On 9/15/2014 9:36 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:


Just 3D print them. A truly "printed" circuit.

I haven't seen an inexpensive metal printer. Better might be a photo
resist printer if it could handle the fine lines often needed. I'm
afraid that a Dremel tool isn't quite the surgeon's scalpel for
placing
0.5 mm pitch quad flat packs. lol

Even so, etching a PCB is a PITA and usually the stuff I do needs
to be
multiple layers. For PCBs one and even two layers is a pretty
limiting
technology. Then there is the assembly work. I don't know that I can
solder anything small anymore. My hand is far from steady these days.


My hand is fine. I can shoot pool without touching the table.

It is my friggin eyes that are going. And probably my heart.

I would always brace my hand on the table, a very solid base is
important to a good shot. If you can do that in the air my hat is off
to you.

Yes. I am, in fact, rock steady and somewhat of a trick shot artist
as I never need a bridge either and shoot ambidextrously. They should
have me on TV between the pro matches.

My eyes get steadily worse as well. But then an 88 year old friend has
macular degeneration and deals with it very well. He can still read
with difficulty and is writing an article on the post Civil War canteens
he collects. So I can't feel too bad...

When I eat a piece of toast I thank the Lord for the fact that I have
it, and continue with my knowledge that so many here on Earth do not
even get a piece of toast in a given day.


I just gotta ask... does anyone here believe this crap?
Click to expand...

Yeah, I often think about how lucky I am to be in the position I am. I
know that had I been born in different circumstances or even a different
time my life could easily be much worse off.

But then there is still time for it to go sour...

--

Rick
 
On 9/16/2014 2:23 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 14:01:27 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

On 9/16/2014 1:54 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 12:40:51 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

On 9/16/2014 12:31 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 12:16:34 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

On 9/16/2014 11:46 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 22:16:14 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

On 9/15/2014 9:36 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 18:03:28 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> Gave us:

On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 23:51:25 +0000 (UTC), Don Kuenz
garbage@crcomp.net> wrote:

NoNoSpamSamIam@Null.net <sroberts6328@gmail.com> wrote:
I buy Radio Shack 276-170 linear breadboards in bulk for linear work.
For RF I do "Dead Bug" or "Manhatten" style work on very thin
microwave PCB.

I do not use the solderless breadboards, because of the element to
element capacitance, and because the reliability of any given
connection is horribly bad.

I've used "Dead Bug" before. "Manhattan style" was a new one for me. One
of my old ARRL Handbooks talked about "hacked Manhattan style" (my
words).

Hacked Manhattan doesn't use raised islands. Instead one takes a piece
of copper plated board and uses a hacksaw to carve grooves through the
copper while leaving the phenolic "substrate" mostly intact. The
horizontal and vertical grooves are spaced a quarter inch apart to form
a quarter inch square grid. At the end it looks like a piece of quarter
inch grid paper with grooves where inked lines ought to be. Each quarter
inch square of copper forms its own little island.

Did Radio Shack give its 276-170 a makeover? The RS website shows what
looks to be a nylon solderless breadboard. At other sites the 276-0170
looks like a plain old perfboard with a nlyon breadboard hole pattern.

A Dremel and a carbide dental burr cuts nice freehand patterns into
the copper, with a little practise.



Just 3D print them. A truly "printed" circuit.

I haven't seen an inexpensive metal printer. Better might be a photo
resist printer if it could handle the fine lines often needed. I'm
afraid that a Dremel tool isn't quite the surgeon's scalpel for placing
0.5 mm pitch quad flat packs. lol

Even so, etching a PCB is a PITA and usually the stuff I do needs to be
multiple layers. For PCBs one and even two layers is a pretty limiting
technology. Then there is the assembly work. I don't know that I can
solder anything small anymore. My hand is far from steady these days.

I use Bellin surface-mount adapters for small parts. I have a Mantis
magnifier that helps enormously when soldering small stuff.

I only breadboard simple things, little subcircuits. Sometimes we'll
do a 4-layer board to test one or more circuits. When I do that, I
walk around and see if anyone else wants to piggy-back a circuit on
the board.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53724080/PCBs/Z312.JPG

It doesn't make sense to breadboard an entire product; you may as well
go for the real thing, the sellable board.

Somebody here could make a home business out of making 4-layer protos
for people, maybe run a panel per week and chop it up for various
customers. Some sections, like adapters and filters, could be standard
products, too.

https://oshpark.com/

They even do your beloved gold finish.

You are welcome...

I had in mind someone who would accept sketches and scribbles, do the
board layout, buy a panel, and hack it up to distribute to various
customers... something more than standard PCB fab from Gerbers.

Sure, I'll do your layouts for you. Send me your scribbles.

And then what, I have to order boards?

What I had in mind was a really useful service that saved me time and
hassle. You know, something helpful.

There are lots of retired and hobbyist guys here that could start all
sorts of interesting little businesses. Maybe they prefer golfing and
going to wine tastings.

I'll order the boards too. But I will likely charge extra for crabby
attitudes.

Do you have anything in the pipe?

Not today, but maybe two biggish jobs coming up. Roughly 30 discrete
engineering sub-projects, some of which we could br delegated.

But I was suggesting a business, which would involve consolidating
several such circuits per panel.
Click to expand...

I understand that. But the panel part is taken care of by oshpark. If
you need a prototype and can wait the two weeks after it is laid out,
I've got you covered. If you are thinking someone can do board layout
and consolidate multiple customer's designs into one panel for a quick
turnaround, how the hell would anyone be able to pull that off??? If it
takes days or even just one day to do a layout and you need six to fill
a panel, that is over a week just waiting for the panel to fill. That
part is best done by a separate outfit like oshpark with many, many
customers.

I remember years ago talking to a US PCB fab company who wanted to
charge a minimum per board no matter how small they were. They were
scored and they weren't splitting them up so I have no idea why they
felt they needed to do it this way. I went with an online firm who was
likely farming it overseas and got a great price. This was in the early
days of the Chinese doing this type of work. Now we have a service who
takes your board designs and fabs just three by aggregating many into
one batch. Awesome!

I saw on their site they merged with batchpcb, cool! Consolidation gets
more frequent batches.

--

Rick
 
On Wednesday, 17 September 2014 11:32:40 UTC+10, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:

<snipped conspiracy theory fodder>

From election night forward there are hundreds of other �just
happeneds,ďż˝ not the least of which is the long-form birth
certificate released by Obama in April 2011 which just happened
to consist of multiple image layers, including various objects
which can be separated and rotated with computer software�which
just happens to be impossible if a birth certificate is merely
scanned and not computer-constructed by a forger.
Click to expand...

What you played with could have been computer constructed from a
scan of the authentic document to produce something prettier.
Forgers would have been careful to destroy any trace of their
handiwork. Image-conscious PR hacks wouldn't have bothered.

> I could go onďż˝ but you get the idea.

The idea that you are a conspiracy theory freak comes across
strongly, but you didn't have to waste quite a much bandwidth
telling us that you were terminally out of touch with reality.
We'd already noticed.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 10:47:47 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

Den tirsdag den 16. september 2014 15.40.03 UTC+2 skrev Phil Hobbs:
On 9/15/2014 8:20 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 23:58:13 +0000 (UTC), Don Kuenz

garbage@crcomp.net> wrote:



That was my approach until I read _Troubleshooting Analog Circuits_ by

Pease. For solderless breadbroads Pease recommends perfboard and

Digikey A208 and A209.



Are you sure you want to follow Bob Pease's example?

http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/bob-pease-breadboard.htm





Perf board is way too slow, I find--it takes at least twice as long as

dead-bug when both methods apply. All that cutting and stripping of

wires takes ages, and wire-wrap wire is too easy to nick.



you should try enamel wire, just cut to length and dip the end in a blob
of solder on the iron, instant stripping
Click to expand...

I do the opposite. I use Teflon wire so it *doesn't* melt under iron
heat. Stripping wire is easy. I generally strip twice as much bare
wire as I need, attach one end, then "strip" a piece of insulation as
long as needed, slide down against the previous connection, cut the
other end, and attach. It's quick, though I don't do boards with
thousands of wires, as I used to do with wirewrap.
 
On Wednesday, 17 September 2014 12:59:28 UTC+10, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 19:35:39 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
bill.sloman@gmail.com> Gave us:
On Wednesday, 17 September 2014 11:32:40 UTC+10, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
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<snipped>

The idea that you are a conspiracy theory freak comes across
strongly, but you didn't have to waste quite a much bandwidth
telling us that you were terminally out of touch with reality.
We'd already noticed.

It was all quoted, idiot.
Click to expand...

That makes a difference? You should have had enough sense to
leave it all under the rock that you'd turned over, rather than
recycling it here.

The "I could go on" were someone else's
words. The fact that you are an utter retard is showing again
as well, as everything that was stated were/are truths.
Click to expand...

Since I'm not actually an utter retard, I'm aware that
hard-to-falsify statements can be assembled into ostensibly
damning rhetoric. I'm equally aware that steaming heap of
"truths" you collected delivers just one unambiguous message,
which is that you are a demented conspiracy freak.

> You could not be more stupid if you tried.

And opinion you share with krw, who may be even dumber than
you are.
I was a mere 220 miles from the Chi-town horseshit, and its national
office illicitly injected shyster. I saw the bastard in action.
Click to expand...

Lucky you. Odd that your incisive intelligence didn't find a way to cut
him down to size. Clearly, he can fool enough of the people enough
of the time, which is more than you can manage.

And why did you munge the fucking subject line, you absolute fucking
total retard?
Click to expand...

Google doesn't like the non-alphabetic characters used in the original
subject line *you* posted - which makes you the absolute total retard, as
if we weren't aware of that already.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Wednesday, 17 September 2014 13:00:50 UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:32:40 -0700, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

<snip>

> Good thing O is lazy and incompetent, otherwise he might be dangerous.

As dangerous as Dubbya? At least Obama isn't silly enough to fall for the
economic clap-trap that James Arthur peddles.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 01:26:05 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> Gave us:

On 9/16/2014 11:32 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 19:52:04 -0700, John Larkin
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 15:01:55 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 09/16/2014 02:56 PM, John S wrote:
On 9/16/2014 12:20 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 01:42:49 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> Gave us:

On 9/16/2014 12:52 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 22:16:14 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> Gave us:

On 9/15/2014 9:36 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:


Just 3D print them. A truly "printed" circuit.

I haven't seen an inexpensive metal printer. Better might be a photo
resist printer if it could handle the fine lines often needed. I'm
afraid that a Dremel tool isn't quite the surgeon's scalpel for
placing
0.5 mm pitch quad flat packs. lol

Even so, etching a PCB is a PITA and usually the stuff I do needs
to be
multiple layers. For PCBs one and even two layers is a pretty
limiting
technology. Then there is the assembly work. I don't know that I can
solder anything small anymore. My hand is far from steady these days.


My hand is fine. I can shoot pool without touching the table.

It is my friggin eyes that are going. And probably my heart.

I would always brace my hand on the table, a very solid base is
important to a good shot. If you can do that in the air my hat is off
to you.

Yes. I am, in fact, rock steady and somewhat of a trick shot artist
as I never need a bridge either and shoot ambidextrously. They should
have me on TV between the pro matches.

My eyes get steadily worse as well. But then an 88 year old friend has
macular degeneration and deals with it very well. He can still read
with difficulty and is writing an article on the post Civil War canteens
he collects. So I can't feel too bad...

When I eat a piece of toast I thank the Lord for the fact that I have
it, and continue with my knowledge that so many here on Earth do not
even get a piece of toast in a given day.


I just gotta ask... does anyone here believe this crap?

Which part don't you like?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I think the Lord would be just as pleased if I thanked Him for a nice
morning bun, or a custard bread pudding.


I think he was disbelieving in the fact that I can fire off racks of
pool and never touch the table, and usually include about four to 6 bank
shots per rack, and usually always the last shot.

Are you talking about John S or "the Lord". I didn't see "he"
capitalized...

btw, what does "usually always" mean?
Click to expand...

I usually play bank the 8, so generally "usually" AND "always", if I
can help it.


It is a great regimen as actually 'knowing' such shots gets one out of
a bind better than the guy who merely says "I know how to do bank
shots." Whereas I say "I can do that bank shot 9 out of ten times."
"do" being "make".

I also have a tendency to clear the rank in seconds flat.
 
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 19:52:04 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> Gave us:

On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 15:01:55 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 09/16/2014 02:56 PM, John S wrote:
On 9/16/2014 12:20 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 01:42:49 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> Gave us:

On 9/16/2014 12:52 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 22:16:14 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> Gave us:

On 9/15/2014 9:36 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:


Just 3D print them. A truly "printed" circuit.

I haven't seen an inexpensive metal printer. Better might be a photo
resist printer if it could handle the fine lines often needed. I'm
afraid that a Dremel tool isn't quite the surgeon's scalpel for
placing
0.5 mm pitch quad flat packs. lol

Even so, etching a PCB is a PITA and usually the stuff I do needs
to be
multiple layers. For PCBs one and even two layers is a pretty
limiting
technology. Then there is the assembly work. I don't know that I can
solder anything small anymore. My hand is far from steady these days.


My hand is fine. I can shoot pool without touching the table.

It is my friggin eyes that are going. And probably my heart.

I would always brace my hand on the table, a very solid base is
important to a good shot. If you can do that in the air my hat is off
to you.

Yes. I am, in fact, rock steady and somewhat of a trick shot artist
as I never need a bridge either and shoot ambidextrously. They should
have me on TV between the pro matches.

My eyes get steadily worse as well. But then an 88 year old friend has
macular degeneration and deals with it very well. He can still read
with difficulty and is writing an article on the post Civil War canteens
he collects. So I can't feel too bad...

When I eat a piece of toast I thank the Lord for the fact that I have
it, and continue with my knowledge that so many here on Earth do not
even get a piece of toast in a given day.


I just gotta ask... does anyone here believe this crap?

Which part don't you like?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I think the Lord would be just as pleased if I thanked Him for a nice
morning bun, or a custard bread pudding.
Click to expand...

I think he was disbelieving in the fact that I can fire off racks of
pool and never touch the table, and usually include about four to 6 bank
shots per rack, and usually always the last shot.

I am going to work up a video.
 
On 9/16/2014 11:32 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 19:52:04 -0700, John Larkin
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 15:01:55 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 09/16/2014 02:56 PM, John S wrote:
On 9/16/2014 12:20 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 01:42:49 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> Gave us:

On 9/16/2014 12:52 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 22:16:14 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> Gave us:

On 9/15/2014 9:36 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:


Just 3D print them. A truly "printed" circuit.

I haven't seen an inexpensive metal printer. Better might be a photo
resist printer if it could handle the fine lines often needed. I'm
afraid that a Dremel tool isn't quite the surgeon's scalpel for
placing
0.5 mm pitch quad flat packs. lol

Even so, etching a PCB is a PITA and usually the stuff I do needs
to be
multiple layers. For PCBs one and even two layers is a pretty
limiting
technology. Then there is the assembly work. I don't know that I can
solder anything small anymore. My hand is far from steady these days.


My hand is fine. I can shoot pool without touching the table.

It is my friggin eyes that are going. And probably my heart.

I would always brace my hand on the table, a very solid base is
important to a good shot. If you can do that in the air my hat is off
to you.

Yes. I am, in fact, rock steady and somewhat of a trick shot artist
as I never need a bridge either and shoot ambidextrously. They should
have me on TV between the pro matches.

My eyes get steadily worse as well. But then an 88 year old friend has
macular degeneration and deals with it very well. He can still read
with difficulty and is writing an article on the post Civil War canteens
he collects. So I can't feel too bad...

When I eat a piece of toast I thank the Lord for the fact that I have
it, and continue with my knowledge that so many here on Earth do not
even get a piece of toast in a given day.


I just gotta ask... does anyone here believe this crap?

Which part don't you like?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I think the Lord would be just as pleased if I thanked Him for a nice
morning bun, or a custard bread pudding.


I think he was disbelieving in the fact that I can fire off racks of
pool and never touch the table, and usually include about four to 6 bank
shots per rack, and usually always the last shot.

I am going to work up a video.
Click to expand...

Why not?

Cheers

Phil "Not a pool player" Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
 
On 9/16/2014 11:32 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 19:52:04 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> Gave us:

On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 15:01:55 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 09/16/2014 02:56 PM, John S wrote:
On 9/16/2014 12:20 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 01:42:49 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> Gave us:

On 9/16/2014 12:52 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 22:16:14 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> Gave us:

On 9/15/2014 9:36 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:


Just 3D print them. A truly "printed" circuit.

I haven't seen an inexpensive metal printer. Better might be a photo
resist printer if it could handle the fine lines often needed. I'm
afraid that a Dremel tool isn't quite the surgeon's scalpel for
placing
0.5 mm pitch quad flat packs. lol

Even so, etching a PCB is a PITA and usually the stuff I do needs
to be
multiple layers. For PCBs one and even two layers is a pretty
limiting
technology. Then there is the assembly work. I don't know that I can
solder anything small anymore. My hand is far from steady these days.


My hand is fine. I can shoot pool without touching the table.

It is my friggin eyes that are going. And probably my heart.

I would always brace my hand on the table, a very solid base is
important to a good shot. If you can do that in the air my hat is off
to you.

Yes. I am, in fact, rock steady and somewhat of a trick shot artist
as I never need a bridge either and shoot ambidextrously. They should
have me on TV between the pro matches.

My eyes get steadily worse as well. But then an 88 year old friend has
macular degeneration and deals with it very well. He can still read
with difficulty and is writing an article on the post Civil War canteens
he collects. So I can't feel too bad...

When I eat a piece of toast I thank the Lord for the fact that I have
it, and continue with my knowledge that so many here on Earth do not
even get a piece of toast in a given day.


I just gotta ask... does anyone here believe this crap?

Which part don't you like?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I think the Lord would be just as pleased if I thanked Him for a nice
morning bun, or a custard bread pudding.


I think he was disbelieving in the fact that I can fire off racks of
pool and never touch the table, and usually include about four to 6 bank
shots per rack, and usually always the last shot.
Click to expand...

Are you talking about John S or "the Lord". I didn't see "he"
capitalized...

btw, what does "usually always" mean?

--

Rick
 
On Wednesday, 17 September 2014 16:58:38 UTC+10, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 23:02:54 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
bill.sloman@gmail.com> Gave us:

I'm aware that
hard-to-falsify statements can be assembled into ostensibly
damning rhetoric.

Now I know that you are completely in the dark.
Click to expand...

I'm sure that your mind has been illuminated, and that you count yourself
as one of the privileged few who see that world as it really is.
And you still keep mucking the title of the thread, you fucking Usenet
moron.
Click to expand...

I'm afraid the only moron here is you. If you post non-alphabetic characters
that Google doesn't like, it will reconstruct them as it see fit. I don't
have anything to do with it - apart from committing the unforgivable crime
of posting via Google groups. I also get around with the help of internal
combustion engines from time to time, and never ride a horse.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Wednesday, 17 September 2014 17:01:03 UTC+10, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 23:02:54 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
bill.sloman@gmail.com> Gave us:

Google doesn't like the non-alphabetic characters used in the original
subject line *you* posted - which makes you the absolute total retard, as
if we weren't aware of that already.

Google is NOT Usenet, Sloman.
Click to expand...

Obviously not. It a cheap and convenient way of accessing it.

I've no doubt that you are proud of your steam-driven keyboard and hydraulic display, but the rest of the world has moved on.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 23:02:54 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@gmail.com> Gave us:

I'm aware that
hard-to-falsify statements can be assembled into ostensibly
damning rhetoric.
Click to expand...

Now I know that you are completely in the dark.

And you still keep mucking the title of the thread, you fucking Usenet
moron.
 
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 23:02:54 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@gmail.com> Gave us:

Google doesn't like the non-alphabetic characters used in the original
subject line *you* posted - which makes you the absolute total retard, as
if we weren't aware of that already.
Click to expand...

Google is NOT Usenet, SloTard.

Real Usenet news servers and NNTP systems have no problem.

That decidedly makes you the retard... again. As if you were ever
anything other.
 
On Wednesday, 17 September 2014 21:23:29 UTC+10, David Brown wrote:
On 17/09/14 09:14, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, 17 September 2014 17:01:03 UTC+10,
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 23:02:54 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
bill.sloman@gmail.com> Gave us:

Google doesn't like the non-alphabetic characters used in the
original subject line *you* posted - which makes you the absolute
total retard, as if we weren't aware of that already.

Google is NOT Usenet, Sloman.

Obviously not. It a cheap and convenient way of accessing it.

I've no doubt that you are proud of your steam-driven keyboard and
hydraulic display, but the rest of the world has moved on.

Actually, a /real/ newsreader is equally cheap and far more convenient
for accessing Usenet groups that you frequent. Google groups posting
interface is the worst thing that ever happened to Usenet. Please change.
Click to expand...

The Google posting interface is horrible, but I do a lot more reading
than I do posting, and Google does organise the material in way that does
make it easily accessible.

I've used Thunderbird from time to time, and it's much closer to the
interface I got used to when I first started posting in 1996. The problem
at the moment is that my information provider does offer Usenet access, but
they don't keep their mirror up to date.

The most recent message on their version of sci.electronics.design is
rickman's "OT: VLC Clickpause" dated 8th September 2014. I could buy better
quality access - I've done so in the past - but that would make DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno happier, and I'm not spending money on that.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
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