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Rich Grise
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12143 Rivera Rd., Whittier, CA 90606.
How will I know you?
Thanks,
Rich
DarkMatter wrote:
How will I know you?
Thanks,
Rich
DarkMatter wrote:
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Don Klipstein
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In article <3FD548A7.72C873BD@nowhere.net>, Rich Grise wrote:
25% efficient at converting chemical energy to mechanical energy. A
well-trained cyclist's body may be a little more efficient - maybe in the
ballpark of diesel cars (roughly 30% efficient).
Somehow I figure roughly 30 calories (actually kilocalories) to pedal a
mile. A car that gets 30 MPG consumes something like 1100 of these
calories per mile for almost 100 times as much weight. The car gets more
pound-miles (moving steadily) per calorie by having less air resistance
per pound than cyclists have.
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
No, both the human body and cars are in the general ballpark of beingYeah - cars with big sails. Or a big wind-up key.
Anybody doing research on artificial muscles? I read
somewhere that if a car could be made to use fuel
as efficiently ((pound*miles)/calories) that it'd get
on the order of 900 MPG.
25% efficient at converting chemical energy to mechanical energy. A
well-trained cyclist's body may be a little more efficient - maybe in the
ballpark of diesel cars (roughly 30% efficient).
Somehow I figure roughly 30 calories (actually kilocalories) to pedal a
mile. A car that gets 30 MPG consumes something like 1100 of these
calories per mile for almost 100 times as much weight. The car gets more
pound-miles (moving steadily) per calorie by having less air resistance
per pound than cyclists have.
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
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Mjolinor
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"Sir Charles W. Shults III" <aichipREM@OVEcfl.THISrr.com> wrote in message
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It would be nice if life were like that but I suspect your logic is a tad
flawed.
Then again maybe not. I sometimes buy a train ticket to go places on a
train, maybe this allows me to put my own engine on the lines and zoom up
and down as I am obviously paying for the lines upkeep, no that doesn't seem
to work either.
news:Jj9Bb.34945$AM3.968017@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
It would be nice if life were like that but I suspect your logic is a tad
flawed.
Then again maybe not. I sometimes buy a train ticket to go places on a
train, maybe this allows me to put my own engine on the lines and zoom up
and down as I am obviously paying for the lines upkeep, no that doesn't seem
to work either.
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DarkMatter
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 06:14:33 GMT, Rich Grise <spamdump@nowhere.net>
Gave us:
A boot to the head would do a top posting, usenet retard like you
any good.
Gave us:
A boot to the head would do a top posting, usenet retard like you
any good.
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DarkMatter
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 08:58:31 -0000, "Mjolinor" <mjolinor@hotmail.com>
Gave us:
railroads, which nearly ALL of them are in this country.
Our tax dollars DO generate the revenues to build the roads, as is
the law.
Private rail fares serve as profit for the PRIVATE firm that runs
the railway.
ALL rubber tired, wheeled vehicles are allowed on all public
roadways. Vehicular status is a term given to describe the legal,
"road worthy" "vehicle" Bicycles have this status in most states, and
have for several decades.
No, dipshit, you cannot put your train engine on their private
track.
When you pass a cyclist, MOVE THE FUCK OVER. STEER CLEAR, NOT NEAR!
No, you do NOT just SQUEEZE by, as that is actually SLEEZING by on
the oath you took when you signed for your license.
Gave us:
BIG difference between taxpayer appropriated roadways, and Private
railroads, which nearly ALL of them are in this country.
Our tax dollars DO generate the revenues to build the roads, as is
the law.
Private rail fares serve as profit for the PRIVATE firm that runs
the railway.
ALL rubber tired, wheeled vehicles are allowed on all public
roadways. Vehicular status is a term given to describe the legal,
"road worthy" "vehicle" Bicycles have this status in most states, and
have for several decades.
No, dipshit, you cannot put your train engine on their private
track.
When you pass a cyclist, MOVE THE FUCK OVER. STEER CLEAR, NOT NEAR!
No, you do NOT just SQUEEZE by, as that is actually SLEEZING by on
the oath you took when you signed for your license.
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Sir Charles W. Shults III
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"Mjolinor" <mjolinor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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you are only buying a ride. The roads and highways are public, and your taxes
pay for their construction and upkeep.
You are mixing apples and oranges.
Cheers!
Chip Shults
My robotics, space and CGI web page - http://home.cfl.rr.com/aichip
news:09gBb.35$Wc.83058@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net...
You are still wrong- the railways are private, and when you buy a ticket,
you are only buying a ride. The roads and highways are public, and your taxes
pay for their construction and upkeep.
You are mixing apples and oranges.
Cheers!
Chip Shults
My robotics, space and CGI web page - http://home.cfl.rr.com/aichip
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Spehro Pefhany
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 02:53:36 -0800, the renowned DarkMatter
<DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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<DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
Your laws allow bicycles and mopeds on controlled-access highways?
Best regards,
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DarkMatter
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 13:13:25 GMT, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> Gave us:
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> Gave us:
those are allowed. Many are not. All else is surface streets only.
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Mjolinor
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Mark Fergerson
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DarkMatter wrote:
approach your level of retardation by emulating your
behaviors and attitudes.
misspelled "attitude".
My attitudes don't need to change anything. Your idea of
"how things are" is obviously set in stone, unaffected by
objective reality.
My experiences mean everything if they help keep me
alive, which they have.
you aren't prepared for them, you may be killed. You may be
in the right, but still dead. I prefer to be right and alive.
Speaking of clues and preparedness, I'll bet you still
use pneumatic tubes.
Now, lower your blood pressure and try to rationally
describe your plan for removing poor drivers. Does it
involve shotguns, or legislation?
Or do you plan to whine them away?
ignore others' stupidity, and _wish_ yourself safe, go right
ahead.
things as taking active measures to avoid suffering the
consequences of others' errors? Great, count me in.
after your own safety in the absence of universal police
attention coupled with legislation tailored to your wants
demonstrate that indisputably.
Perhaps you'd be happier living in one of the wonderful
European nanny states.
Whatever. You keep fuming about stupid people as you ride
and I'll calmly keep my eyes open for them instead.
Mark L. Fergerson
Quite right, that was a close one. I don't wish to
approach your level of retardation by emulating your
behaviors and attitudes.
My "aptitude"? I'll assume you're so enraged that you
misspelled "attitude".
My attitudes don't need to change anything. Your idea of
"how things are" is obviously set in stone, unaffected by
objective reality.
My experiences mean everything if they help keep me
alive, which they have.
Get some clues yourself. People do stupid things and if
you aren't prepared for them, you may be killed. You may be
in the right, but still dead. I prefer to be right and alive.
Speaking of clues and preparedness, I'll bet you still
use pneumatic tubes.
Now, lower your blood pressure and try to rationally
describe your plan for removing poor drivers. Does it
involve shotguns, or legislation?
Or do you plan to whine them away?
Only if I plan on surviving, which I do. If you _wish_ to
ignore others' stupidity, and _wish_ yourself safe, go right
ahead.
So, your definition of "fucking retarded" includes such
things as taking active measures to avoid suffering the
consequences of others' errors? Great, count me in.
You consistently claim high moral ground with ease.
Right. Your choice of language and your refusal to look
after your own safety in the absence of universal police
attention coupled with legislation tailored to your wants
demonstrate that indisputably.
Perhaps you'd be happier living in one of the wonderful
European nanny states.
Whatever. You keep fuming about stupid people as you ride
and I'll calmly keep my eyes open for them instead.
Mark L. Fergerson
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Mark Jones
Guest
In news:slrnbtape7.l9.don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein):
I would have to agree that bicyling steadily, without strenuous excercise,
does not consume large amounts of calories and the 30 calories per mile idea
sounds about right. If we eat a typical candybar, that's 250 calories, which
equates to about 8.3 miles if you wanted to "burn it off."
Same with treadmills, once I saw one that had an electronic calorometer. I
jogged my ass off for 15 minutes and only burned like 50 calories... how
dissapointing.
In article <3FD548A7.72C873BD@nowhere.net>, Rich Grise wrote:
Yeah - cars with big sails. Or a big wind-up key.
Anybody doing research on artificial muscles? I read
somewhere that if a car could be made to use fuel
as efficiently ((pound*miles)/calories) that it'd get
on the order of 900 MPG.
No, both the human body and cars are in the general ballpark of being
25% efficient at converting chemical energy to mechanical energy. A
well-trained cyclist's body may be a little more efficient - maybe in
the ballpark of diesel cars (roughly 30% efficient).
Somehow I figure roughly 30 calories (actually kilocalories) to pedal
a mile. A car that gets 30 MPG consumes something like 1100 of these
calories per mile for almost 100 times as much weight. The car gets
more pound-miles (moving steadily) per calorie by having less air
resistance per pound than cyclists have.
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
I would have to agree that bicyling steadily, without strenuous excercise,
does not consume large amounts of calories and the 30 calories per mile idea
sounds about right. If we eat a typical candybar, that's 250 calories, which
equates to about 8.3 miles if you wanted to "burn it off."
Same with treadmills, once I saw one that had an electronic calorometer. I
jogged my ass off for 15 minutes and only burned like 50 calories... how
dissapointing.
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mark hahn
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"Thinker" <freedom@usa.com> wrote in message news:<AN6Bb.80$7%6.53958@newshog.newsread.com>...
-- snip --
Hmmm... this is starting to get a bit nasty, the usual flaming between
automobilists and bicyclists.
I would like to point though that at least in the US, automobilists do
not actually pay for all the costs associated with using the roads.
Fuel taxes (criminally low in the US IMHO) only pay for between 35%
and 80% of the direct costs of roads. By direct costs I mean repairs,
new construction, etc. The rest comes from other local, state, and
federal taxes. Even people who never drive pay for "part" of the road.
I give a varying range of percentages, because it depends on who's
statistics you believe. I have never come across a report that claims
fuel taxes pay for 100% of all road construction and repair.
If you include hidden costs like: police and emergency services (some
states have laws preventing fuel taxes being used to pay for police);
the effects of air pollution (autos are still the major source of air
pollution in the US); the environmental costs of paving an ever
growing percentage of urban and suburban areas (up to 50% of some
urban areas are paved); and number of pedestrians and cyclists killed
by autos; autos don't pay their fair share.
So please don't tell me to get my bicycle off "your" road. It is "our"
road. We had better learn to share.
Mark Hahn
-- snip --
-- snip --
Hmmm... this is starting to get a bit nasty, the usual flaming between
automobilists and bicyclists.
I would like to point though that at least in the US, automobilists do
not actually pay for all the costs associated with using the roads.
Fuel taxes (criminally low in the US IMHO) only pay for between 35%
and 80% of the direct costs of roads. By direct costs I mean repairs,
new construction, etc. The rest comes from other local, state, and
federal taxes. Even people who never drive pay for "part" of the road.
I give a varying range of percentages, because it depends on who's
statistics you believe. I have never come across a report that claims
fuel taxes pay for 100% of all road construction and repair.
If you include hidden costs like: police and emergency services (some
states have laws preventing fuel taxes being used to pay for police);
the effects of air pollution (autos are still the major source of air
pollution in the US); the environmental costs of paving an ever
growing percentage of urban and suburban areas (up to 50% of some
urban areas are paved); and number of pedestrians and cyclists killed
by autos; autos don't pay their fair share.
So please don't tell me to get my bicycle off "your" road. It is "our"
road. We had better learn to share.
Mark Hahn
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Jim Thompson
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On 9 Dec 2003 09:24:21 -0800, mhahn@hvc.rr.com (mark hahn) wrote:
[snip]
...Jim Thompson
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| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
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| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
[snip]
"Criminally low"?? Why do you think that?
...Jim Thompson
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice
480)460-2350 | || E-mail Address at Website Fax
480)460-2142 | Brass Rat || http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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Mjolinor
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"Jim Thompson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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shouts)
news:mb3ctvgqnr34lj7vdvmo99kj9icfa1gvfk@4ax.com...
'cos we have to pay $6 per gallon and it's not fair, (stamps feet and
shouts)
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Baphomet
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"Jim Thompson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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I think Mark is feeling the European's pain ;-)
news:mb3ctvgqnr34lj7vdvmo99kj9icfa1gvfk@4ax.com...
I think Mark is feeling the European's pain ;-)
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Baphomet
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"Mjolinor" <mjolinor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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news:dkoBb.364$S%3.259@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net...
Yeah...but Mark is from the Hudson Valley ;-)
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Jim Thompson
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:23:41 -0800, "Baphomet" <no.spam@no.spam.us>
wrote:
...Jim Thompson
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| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
wrote:
He should move to Europe and get the full enjoyment ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice
480)460-2350 | || E-mail Address at Website Fax
480)460-2142 | Brass Rat || http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
J
Jim Thompson
Guest
On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 18:16:31 -0000, "Mjolinor" <mjolinor@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Do you really pay ** $6 *** per gallon?
I think we pay around 60-70˘ per gallon.
If that were to go up significantly there would be politicians hanging
from every telephone pole ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
wrote:
The joys of a socialist society ;-)
Do you really pay ** $6 *** per gallon?
I think we pay around 60-70˘ per gallon.
If that were to go up significantly there would be politicians hanging
from every telephone pole ;-)
...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice
480)460-2350 | || E-mail Address at Website Fax
480)460-2142 | Brass Rat || http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
K
Keith R. Williams
Guest
In article <vtc50qg6pas1e@corp.supernews.com>, no.spam@no.spam.us
says...
--
Keith
says...
That *is* criminal (lived there for ~20 years - gack!).
--
Keith
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Mjolinor
Guest
"Jim Thompson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news45ctv8p5a8slhb69296jts3q0dcalfvql@4ax.com...
(Don't take "proper" to be an attack on US V UK, I couldn't handle any more
of that in this newsgroup there has been too much of late)
news
45ctv8p5a8slhb69296jts3q0dcalfvql@4ax.com...We really do but our gallons are proper ones not US ones (slightly bigger)
(Don't take "proper" to be an attack on US V UK, I couldn't handle any more
of that in this newsgroup there has been too much of late)