Cost of a Traffic Signal ??

[Jim Thompson]

On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:01:58 -0700, Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness>
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
[snip]
Don't you get extra points for running over bicyclists riding down the
middle of a traffic lane ?

AZ law requires cyclists to follow the same laws (barring
equipment differences) as cars; if the middle of the lane is
all that's available, that's what you have to use, though
like all "slow vehicles" you're s'posed to keep as far right
as practicable. I'm anticipating the Legislature to require
those triangle sign/reflectors on bicycles.

OTOH I never said bicyclists can't be CFIs too; remember
the "drunk cyclist" flap a while back after one got himself
killed by darting in front of a cop at night (he had no
lights or reflectors on his bike)? I think that qualifies
for a Darwin Award.

Mark L. Fergerson

We have a running verbal battle about bicyclists in the Ahwatukee
Foothills News Letters-to-the-Editor section.

The bicyclists think they should be able to ride down Chandler Blvd.
5-abreast.

A former AZ DPS officer wrote in and suggested they were just Darwin
Awards waiting to happen... though he tended toward the gross using
words like squish and ooze ;-)

We have designated bike lanes out here; I think some enforcement is
going to be necessary to educate bicyclists to use the lanes
appropriately.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Mark Jones]

In news:ccc9tvc6ckibkgrgotqcqaipp0g6enkhpl@4ax.com (Jim Thompson):

On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:01:58 -0700, Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
[snip]
Don't you get extra points for running over bicyclists riding down the
middle of a traffic lane ?

AZ law requires cyclists to follow the same laws (barring
equipment differences) as cars; if the middle of the lane is
all that's available, that's what you have to use, though
like all "slow vehicles" you're s'posed to keep as far right
as practicable. I'm anticipating the Legislature to require
those triangle sign/reflectors on bicycles.

OTOH I never said bicyclists can't be CFIs too; remember
the "drunk cyclist" flap a while back after one got himself
killed by darting in front of a cop at night (he had no
lights or reflectors on his bike)? I think that qualifies
for a Darwin Award.

Mark L. Fergerson

We have a running verbal battle about bicyclists in the Ahwatukee
Foothills News Letters-to-the-Editor section.

The bicyclists think they should be able to ride down Chandler Blvd.
5-abreast.

A former AZ DPS officer wrote in and suggested they were just Darwin
Awards waiting to happen... though he tended toward the gross using
words like squish and ooze ;-)

We have designated bike lanes out here; I think some enforcement is
going to be necessary to educate bicyclists to use the lanes
appropriately.

...Jim Thompson

Personally, I'd like to see a trade-in policy, when Big Oil runs out and
the hydrogen car flops... trade in your $20,000 auto for a $200 bicycle,
which gets unlimited mileage, is healthy to operate, and produces little to
no pollution. Maybe then, 5-abreast would not be such a proposterous idea...

If you ride a bicycle, you're quick to learn that cars are out to kill you.
It doesn't matter if you're 1 or 100 years old, they think they own the road
and if you're on it, then you diserve to be squashed like some puny little
bug. It's THAT logic that needs changing, not any other.

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 12:35:27 -0500, "Mark Jones" <127.0.0.1> wrote:

In news:ccc9tvc6ckibkgrgotqcqaipp0g6enkhpl@4ax.com (Jim Thompson):
[snip]
The bicyclists think they should be able to ride down Chandler Blvd.
5-abreast.

A former AZ DPS officer wrote in and suggested they were just Darwin
Awards waiting to happen... though he tended toward the gross using
words like squish and ooze ;-)

We have designated bike lanes out here; I think some enforcement is
going to be necessary to educate bicyclists to use the lanes
appropriately.

...Jim Thompson



Personally, I'd like to see a trade-in policy, when Big Oil runs out and
the hydrogen car flops... trade in your $20,000 auto for a $200 bicycle,
which gets unlimited mileage, is healthy to operate, and produces little to
no pollution. Maybe then, 5-abreast would not be such a proposterous idea...

If you ride a bicycle, you're quick to learn that cars are out to kill you.
It doesn't matter if you're 1 or 100 years old, they think they own the road
and if you're on it, then you diserve to be squashed like some puny little
bug. It's THAT logic that needs changing, not any other.

(1) I like "squished" better ;-)
(2) I thought this was a technology group. Don't you believe that
technology will quickly find a solution just as soon as oil prices
start toward the untenable? When car companies can't sell cars what
do you think will happen... close down? Dream on.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Mark Fergerson]

Mark Jones wrote:

In news:ccc9tvc6ckibkgrgotqcqaipp0g6enkhpl@4ax.com (Jim Thompson):

On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:01:58 -0700, Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness
wrote:


Jim Thompson wrote:

[snip]

Don't you get extra points for running over bicyclists riding down the
middle of a traffic lane ?

AZ law requires cyclists to follow the same laws (barring
equipment differences) as cars; if the middle of the lane is
all that's available, that's what you have to use, though
like all "slow vehicles" you're s'posed to keep as far right
as practicable. I'm anticipating the Legislature to require
those triangle sign/reflectors on bicycles.

OTOH I never said bicyclists can't be CFIs too; remember
the "drunk cyclist" flap a while back after one got himself
killed by darting in front of a cop at night (he had no
lights or reflectors on his bike)? I think that qualifies
for a Darwin Award.

Mark L. Fergerson

We have a running verbal battle about bicyclists in the Ahwatukee
Foothills News Letters-to-the-Editor section.

The bicyclists think they should be able to ride down Chandler Blvd.
5-abreast.

A former AZ DPS officer wrote in and suggested they were just Darwin
Awards waiting to happen... though he tended toward the gross using
words like squish and ooze ;-)

We have designated bike lanes out here; I think some enforcement is
going to be necessary to educate bicyclists to use the lanes
appropriately.

...Jim Thompson




Personally, I'd like to see a trade-in policy, when Big Oil runs out and
the hydrogen car flops... trade in your $20,000 auto for a $200 bicycle,
which gets unlimited mileage, is healthy to operate, and produces little to
no pollution. Maybe then, 5-abreast would not be such a proposterous idea...

Works for me.

If you ride a bicycle, you're quick to learn that cars are out to kill you.

_Some_ of us are.

It doesn't matter if you're 1 or 100 years old, they think they own the road
and if you're on it, then you diserve to be squashed like some puny little
bug. It's THAT logic that needs changing, not any other.

Concur. 'Til then I'll watch my ass.

Mark L. Fergerson

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Mark Jones wrote:

Personally, I'd like to see a trade-in policy, when Big Oil runs out and
the hydrogen car flops... trade in your $20,000 auto for a $200 bicycle,
which gets unlimited mileage, is healthy to operate, and produces little to
no pollution. Maybe then, 5-abreast would not be such a proposterous idea...

Do you really think there will be decent roads if there are no cars
or trucks that need them? Think about it. Do you know where the money to
build an maintain roads come from? Fuel taxes. With no motor vehicles,
there will be no money or need for good roads. You'll need a horse or
donkey, because you would kill yourself trying to dodge all the broken
pavement on a bicycle.


--
17 days!


Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Thinker]

"Mark Jones" <127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:lOadnbB4uNaFK0miRVn-uA@buckeye-express.com...

In news:ccc9tvc6ckibkgrgotqcqaipp0g6enkhpl@4ax.com (Jim Thompson):
On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:01:58 -0700, Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
[snip]
Don't you get extra points for running over bicyclists riding down the
middle of a traffic lane ?

AZ law requires cyclists to follow the same laws (barring
equipment differences) as cars; if the middle of the lane is
all that's available, that's what you have to use, though
like all "slow vehicles" you're s'posed to keep as far right
as practicable. I'm anticipating the Legislature to require
those triangle sign/reflectors on bicycles.

OTOH I never said bicyclists can't be CFIs too; remember
the "drunk cyclist" flap a while back after one got himself
killed by darting in front of a cop at night (he had no
lights or reflectors on his bike)? I think that qualifies
for a Darwin Award.

Mark L. Fergerson

We have a running verbal battle about bicyclists in the Ahwatukee
Foothills News Letters-to-the-Editor section.

The bicyclists think they should be able to ride down Chandler Blvd.
5-abreast.

A former AZ DPS officer wrote in and suggested they were just Darwin
Awards waiting to happen... though he tended toward the gross using
words like squish and ooze ;-)

We have designated bike lanes out here; I think some enforcement is
going to be necessary to educate bicyclists to use the lanes
appropriately.

...Jim Thompson



Personally, I'd like to see a trade-in policy, when Big Oil runs out and
the hydrogen car flops... trade in your $20,000 auto for a $200 bicycle,
which gets unlimited mileage, is healthy to operate, and produces little
to
no pollution. Maybe then, 5-abreast would not be such a proposterous
idea...

If you ride a bicycle, you're quick to learn that cars are out to kill
you.
It doesn't matter if you're 1 or 100 years old, they think they own the
road

Unfortunately for bike riders the automobile drivers DO own the road. The
fuel
tax they pay build and maintain the roads. Bike riders do not contribute to
the
construction and maintainance of the roads yet they are allowed the same
access to the roads. And some still complain!

and if you're on it, then you diserve to be squashed like some puny little
bug. It's THAT logic that needs changing, not any other.

 

[Ross Mac]

"Mark Fergerson" <nunya@biz.ness> wrote in message
news:3FD4A09D.5050006@biz.ness...

DarkMatter wrote:
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 10:53:55 -0700, Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness
Gave us:


I've been riding a bike (why is it one "drives" a car by
making minimal hand and foot motions, while one "rides" a
bike by exerting one's whole body?) for much longer. Assume
that _everyone_ is actively trying to kill you. If you ride
through a place like Sun City (monster retirement
"community") assume the extra added spice of failing vision
and reflexes on the part of drivers.

Cover your own ass; the cops won't do it for you.



Look, you fucking retard...The RIGHT OF WAY on a road is to the
vehicle (driver) in front of you. If your lame ass intends to pass
said vehicle, the responsibility to do so safely is YOURS, the
rearward approaching vehicle. Dig?

Look, you fucking illiterate, come February I will have
been riding a bike for _thirty years_ in AZ.

Don't worry about others' responsibilities; yours is to
cover your own ass no matter what some dimbfuck does. YOU
have to be ready for anything, anytime.

snip whining

Do you also drive a car? Do you then treat cyclist with
the respect you demand? I do, but I also expect everyone
else to be COMPLETE FUCKING IDIOTS, just in case. Grow the
hell up.

Mark L. Fergerson

Another pleasant reply from Don'tMatter....with all this rage you wonder

when he is going to pop and get into some real trouble. Perhaps this NG is a
good thing for him. He can release his frustrations and stay out of the
pokie!......Ross

 

[Sir Charles W. Shults III]

"Thinker" <freedom@usa.com> wrote in message
news:AN6Bb.80$7%6.53958@newshog.newsread.com...

Unfortunately for bike riders the automobile drivers DO own the road. The
fuel
tax they pay build and maintain the roads. Bike riders do not contribute to
the
construction and maintainance of the roads yet they are allowed the same
access to the roads. And some still complain!

You have made a major logical blunder here. I drive AND ride bikes. I pay
taxes for fuel AND like to use my bicycle. Therefore, I have a right to
complain if the conditions on the roads I help pay for are not suitable for
bicycle use.
You have assumed that bike riders do not pay the taxes that support the
roads. Guess again.

Cheers!

Chip Shults
My robotics, space and CGI web page - http://home.cfl.rr.com/aichip

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 09:02:37 -0700, Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness>
Gave us:

Look, you fucking illiterate,

Could you be any more retarded?

come February I will have
been riding a bike for _thirty years_ in AZ.

Good for you, dipshit. I have been riding since '71, and for the

last ten years, full time. It STILL changes nothing, and has ZERO
bearing on the way things are. You experience doesn't mean squat,
when your fucking aptitude lacks as badly as does yours.

Don't worry about others' responsibilities; yours is to
cover your own ass no matter what some dimbfuck does.

Fuck you. Covering MY OWN ASS entails me putting a stop to retarded
drivers on the street. Getting a clue now, BOY?

YOU
have to be ready for anything, anytime.

Fuck you. A retard like YOU has to be that way.

snip whining

Better than being fucking retarded about it, as are you.

Do you also drive a car?

Yes. Quite responsibly, and safely.

Do you then treat cyclist with
the respect you demand?

More so. More than even they themselves treat others when they
drive.

I do, but I also expect everyone
else to be COMPLETE FUCKING IDIOTS, just in case.

They are. So are you. Your attitude proves that.

Grow the
hell up.

Shut the fuck up, you retarded jackoff.

I have more maturity in my baby fingertip than a lame fuck like you
has in your entire body.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 09:12:17 -0700, Jim Thompson
<invalid@invalid.invalid> Gave us:

On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 09:02:37 -0700, Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness
wrote:

[snip]

Do you also drive a car? Do you then treat cyclist with
the respect you demand? I do, but I also expect everyone
else to be COMPLETE FUCKING IDIOTS, just in case. Grow the
hell up.

Mark L. Fergerson

Don't you get extra points for running over bicyclists riding down the
middle of a traffic lane ?

Only if I get extra points for putting a fast moving chunk of lead in
your head for doing it, ya fucking retarded twit.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:19:20 -0700, Jim Thompson
<invalid@invalid.invalid> Gave us:

We have designated bike lanes out here; I think some enforcement is
going to be necessary to educate bicyclists to use the lanes
appropriately.

Dumbfuck. If there is a designated lane, they will be in it. If
not, the lane they are in is their lane. PERIOD.

Short of impeding an entire line of traffic, your lame ass can LEARN
to pass safely, and responsibly.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 12:35:27 -0500, "Mark Jones" <127.0.0.1> Gave us:

then you diserve to be squashed like some puny little
bug. It's THAT logic that needs changing, not any other.

No shit ya retarded twit. When I SAID THAT, your lame ass came back
with "You have to cover your own ass."

You are one retarded fuckhead, boy. Fuck off. Then die, or get hit
by a fast moving 2.5 ton chunk of steel.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 23:35:08 GMT, "Ross Mac"
<this.is.a.fake@example.invalid> Gave us:

Another pleasant reply from Don'tMatter....with all this rage you wonder
when he is going to pop and get into some real trouble. Perhaps this NG is a
good thing for him. He can release his frustrations and stay out of the
pokie!......Ross

Another retarded set of remarks from the retard of the year award
winner.

 

[Jeff Thompson]

"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:etbatv04qahq5gc58um1itb7t9e7ce6fmo@4ax.com...

Shut the fuck up, you retarded jackoff.

I have more maturity in my baby fingertip than a lame fuck like you
has in your entire body.

Obviously.

 

[Rich Grise]

Technically I think they're supposed to be allowed to use
a regular traffic lane - but they have to be registerd and
roadworthy and all that. Just some nitwit on a bike probably
needs at least a love-tap. ):>

Cheers!
Rich

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 09:02:37 -0700, Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness
wrote:

[snip]

Do you also drive a car? Do you then treat cyclist with
the respect you demand? I do, but I also expect everyone
else to be COMPLETE FUCKING IDIOTS, just in case. Grow the
hell up.

Mark L. Fergerson

Don't you get extra points for running over bicyclists riding down the
middle of a traffic lane ?

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 03:49:23 GMT, Rich Grise <spamdump@nowhere.net>
wrote:

Technically I think they're supposed to be allowed to use
a regular traffic lane - but they have to be registerd and
roadworthy and all that. Just some nitwit on a bike probably
needs at least a love-tap. ):

Cheers!
Rich

Jim Thompson wrote:
[snip]
Don't you get extra points for running over bicyclists riding down the
middle of a traffic lane ?

...Jim Thompson

I think a license, expense in proportion to auto's ought to do the
trick. I'll start plying my legislators ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Rich Grise]

Yeah - cars with big sails. Or a big wind-up key.

Anybody doing research on artificial muscles? I read
somewhere that if a car could be made to use fuel
as efficiently ((pound*miles)/calories) that it'd get
on the order of 900 MPG.

Cheers!
Rich

Jim Thompson wrote:

(1) I like "squished" better ;-)
(2) I thought this was a technology group. Don't you believe that
technology will quickly find a solution just as soon as oil prices
start toward the untenable? When car companies can't sell cars what
do you think will happen... close down? Dream on.

...Jim Thompson

 

[DarkMatter]

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 03:49:23 GMT, Rich Grise <spamdump@nowhere.net>
Gave us:

Just some nitwit on a bike probably
needs at least a love-tap. ):

You need a lead tap. So the bugs don't have to dig for the blood

It is retarded fucks like you that cause the problems, and the
retarded mentalities. Give me your address, so I can come over and
fuck you up. You need Tae Kwan Leap, lesson number one.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 03:57:43 GMT, Rich Grise <spamdump@nowhere.net>
Gave us:

Yeah - cars with big sails. Or a big wind-up key.

Anybody doing research on artificial muscles? I read
somewhere that if a car could be made to use fuel
as efficiently ((pound*miles)/calories) that it'd get
on the order of 900 MPG.

You ain't real bright, are ya, boy?

A moped is a considerably smaller mass than any car, and it only
gets a couple hundred MPG at a maxed out speed of 30MPH.

You, and your mindset is in the stone age. You mentioned pounds
miles... calories, but you seem to have ZERO grasp of what WORK costs
to get done, or you would know that your figure is ludicrous.

 

[Rich Grise]

Please, DM, do us the courtesy of reading the entire question
as written before snapping your steel-trap mind shut.

A moped utilizes the calories available in gasoline almost
as poorly as a car.

You body uses the calories that it gets from food.

There's obviously less energy in a loaf of bread than in
a quart of gasoline; that's why you have to be ~50 times
more effecient at extracting it.

I'd have to look it up, if I had to look it up, but there's
a really really simple formula for figuring out how many
calories of energy are in a gallon of gasoline. Or in a loaf
of bread.

I saw Mr. Wizard burn some crackers once, and somehow figure
out by the heat released how many calories were "in" the
crackers. I don't recall how he measured the heat output.

And he used pure O2 - it burned through the tin can the
crackers were in.

Mr. Wizard is Cool!

Cheers!
Rich


DarkMatter wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 03:57:43 GMT, Rich Grise <spamdump@nowhere.net
Gave us:


Yeah - cars with big sails. Or a big wind-up key.

Anybody doing research on artificial muscles? I read
somewhere that if a car could be made to use fuel
as efficiently ((pound*miles)/calories) that it'd get
on the order of 900 MPG.

You ain't real bright, are ya, boy?

A moped is a considerably smaller mass than any car, and it only
gets a couple hundred MPG at a maxed out speed of 30MPH.

You, and your mindset is in the stone age. You mentioned pounds
miles... calories, but you seem to have ZERO grasp of what WORK costs
to get done, or you would know that your figure is ludicrous.