Cost of a Traffic Signal ??

[Don Klipstein]

In article <99bde2e0.0312090924.3aaa68bb@posting.google.com>, mark hahn wrote:

I would like to point though that at least in the US, automobilists do
not actually pay for all the costs associated with using the roads.
Fuel taxes (criminally low in the US IMHO) only pay for between 35%
and 80% of the direct costs of roads. By direct costs I mean repairs,
new construction, etc. The rest comes from other local, state, and
federal taxes. Even people who never drive pay for "part" of the road.

A lot of original cost of building roads is not even paid by taxes, but
paid by home builders. That means some of my house payment (or rent) is
for paying off road building costs.

I give a varying range of percentages, because it depends on who's
statistics you believe. I have never come across a report that claims
fuel taxes pay for 100% of all road construction and repair.

I have heard a few claiming that road costs are less than fuel
taxes... maybe just the costs of maintaining and building state and
national highways, but definitely not roads in general! (And certainly I
think it's fair to use road taxes to help mass transit reduce traffic and
road wear, and how about then some - research into pollution-reduction
technology, etc.)

If you include hidden costs like: police and emergency services (some
states have laws preventing fuel taxes being used to pay for police);
the effects of air pollution (autos are still the major source of air
pollution in the US); the environmental costs of paving an ever
growing percentage of urban and suburban areas (up to 50% of some
urban areas are paved); and number of pedestrians and cyclists killed
by autos; autos don't pay their fair share.

So please don't tell me to get my bicycle off "your" road. It is "our"
road. We had better learn to share.

Mark Hahn

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[DarkMatter]

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:57:52 -0000, "Mjolinor" <mjolinor@hotmail.com>
Gave us:

You are still wrong- the railways are private,
That depends where you live

Which I stated at the beginning of the post. I'm not talking about

some trolley service or reduced scale rail.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 08:31:22 -0700, Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness>
Gave us:

My "aptitude"? I'll assume you're so enraged that you
misspelled "attitude".

No, dipshit... I meant aptitude. Your lame ass declaring that one
has to "cover one's own ass" is a proof that you do not have the
aptitude for the law or political atmosphere that surrounds the
subject. You are an abject retard.

I misspelled nothing, dipshit.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 08:31:22 -0700, Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness>
Gave us:

Speaking of clues and preparedness, I'll bet you still
use pneumatic tubes.

You're an idiot. Offering a bet on a pure unknown is a sure proof.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 08:31:22 -0700, Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness>
Gave us:

Now, lower your blood pressure

You're a goddamned idiot. boy. My blood pressure is fine.

and try to rationally
describe your plan for removing poor drivers.

Your a goddamned idiot, AND you're clueless.

Does it
involve shotguns, or legislation?

Yes.

Or do you plan to whine them away?

You're a goddamned idiot, boy.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 08:31:22 -0700, Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness>
Gave us:

You consistently claim high moral ground with ease.

You consistently act like a fuking retard. I hope with great pains.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 08:31:22 -0700, Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness>
Gave us:

Right. Your choice of language and your refusal to look
after your own safety in the absence of universal police
attention

Right. Ya fucking retarded twit. Your mother needed universal
police attention, but she didn't get it, and out of her ass popped
your lame, piece of shit ass.

coupled with legislation tailored to your wants
demonstrate that indisputably.

Besides being a piece of shit, you're a goddamned retard, boy.

Perhaps you'd be happier living in one of the wonderful
European nanny states.

Perhaps you'd be happier with one of my NYPD wooden, splintery
broomstick handles shoved two feet up yer lame, wussified ass.

Whatever. You keep fuming about stupid people as you ride
and I'll calmly keep my eyes open for them instead.

You're a goddamned retard though. One expects you to act stupid.

Your sense of safety is false and will bite you in the ass one day.
I hope.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:10:40 -0500, "Mark Jones" <127.0.0.1> Gave us:

I would have to agree that bicyling steadily, without strenuous excercise,
does not consume large amounts of calories and the 30 calories per mile idea
sounds about right. If we eat a typical candybar, that's 250 calories, which
equates to about 8.3 miles if you wanted to "burn it off."

I ride hard to every destination. I am always pushing the limit of
the current riding circumstances.

Same with treadmills, once I saw one that had an electronic calorometer. I
jogged my ass off for 15 minutes and only burned like 50 calories... how
dissapointing.

How inaccurate. 15 minutes of running burns more than 50 calories.

Jogging... less... but running... no. Bad numbers.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:19:12 GMT, "Thinker" <freedom@usa.com> Gave us:

Unfortunately for bike riders the automobile drivers DO own the road. The
fuel
tax they pay build and maintain the roads. Bike riders do not contribute to
the
construction and maintainance of the roads yet they are allowed the same
access to the roads. And some still complain!

Bullshit, ya fuking retard. The roads are owned by ALL taxpayers,
not just auto owners. Monies taken in for registrations, and DLs go
into the general fund.

MOST states give bicycles vehicular status. Does your wee wittle
bwain have any grasp of the meaning of that term?

It means ALLOWED TO BE ON ANY PUBLIC ROADWAY. The only roads not
permitted are high speed freeways that have no safe roadside bike
travel provision.

Bone UP, ya retarded puke that should not even be allowed to drive
AT ALL!

 

[Mark Jones]

I have every message containing the words "twit", "retard", and "dumbass"
automatically blacklisted...

 

[Paul Burridge]

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:55:27 -0500, "Mark Jones" <127.0.0.1> wrote:

I have every message containing the words "twit", "retard", and "dumbass"
automatically blacklisted...

That should take care of every "contribution" from DM.

--

"I expect history will be kind to me, since I intend to write it."
- Winston Churchill

 

[DarkMatter]

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:49:49 +0000, Paul Burridge
<pb@osiris1.notthisbit.co.uk> Gave us:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:55:27 -0500, "Mark Jones" <127.0.0.1> wrote:

I have every message containing the words "twit", "retard", and "dumbass"
automatically blacklisted...

That should take care of every "contribution" from DM.

You're both idiots.

 

[Ross Mac]

"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 23:35:08 GMT, "Ross Mac"
this.is.a.fake@example.invalid> Gave us:

Another pleasant reply from Don'tMatter....with all this rage you wonder
when he is going to pop and get into some real trouble. Perhaps this NG
is a
good thing for him. He can release his frustrations and stay out of the
pokie!......Ross


Another retarded set of remarks from the retard of the year award
winner.
I find it interesting the lack of creativenes in TrollMatter's flames.

Everyone he flames is a "retard", "dipshit", "needs a broomstick in the
ass", "twit" and "dumbass". Eliminating these words from his posts and there
is nothing left but adverbs and prepositions.
Maybe riding that cycle and breathing those fumes have done permant damage
here????

 

[123.bam]

John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Paul Hovnanian P.E.
Paul@Hovnanian.com> wrote (in <3FD3C1DF.F0C83C1C@Hovnanian.com&gt about
'Cost of a Traffic Signal ??', on Sun, 7 Dec 2003:

How do I set a laser printer to stun?

This used to be highly classified, but I can now tell you that you send
it the hexadecimal code sequence 53 54 55 4E. (;-)
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk
Interested in professional sound reinforcement and distribution? Then go to
http://www.isce.org.uk
PLEASE do NOT copy news posts to me by E-MAIL!

nice, took me a minute to figure it out.

 

[Rich Grise]

So, Do you?

I've got ten bucks that says you do. ;-}

Cheers!
Rich

DarkMatter wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 08:31:22 -0700, Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness
Gave us:


Speaking of clues and preparedness, I'll bet you still
use pneumatic tubes.

You're an idiot. Offering a bet on a pure unknown is a sure proof.

 

[Rich Grise]

What an inspired plan! I wish I'd thought of it! %-}

Cheers!
Rich

DarkMatter wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 08:31:22 -0700, Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness
Gave us:
....
and try to rationally
describe your plan for removing poor drivers.

Your a goddamned idiot, AND you're clueless.

 

[Rich Grise]

Not to worry, DorkMaster. Just ask Dilbert. They're ALL
idiots.

So What? That doesn't mean I'm going to ride my bike with
blinders on because I believe all the stupid drivers
_should_ be off the road. Reality doesn't work that way.
At least, not in my experience.

Cheers!
Rich


DarkMatter wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:49:49 +0000, Paul Burridge
pb@osiris1.notthisbit.co.uk> Gave us:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:55:27 -0500, "Mark Jones" <127.0.0.1> wrote:

I have every message containing the words "twit", "retard", and "dumbass"
automatically blacklisted...

That should take care of every "contribution" from DM.

You're both idiots.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 06:50:27 GMT, Rich Grise <spamdump@nowhere.net>
Gave us:

So What? That doesn't mean I'm going to ride my bike with
blinders on because I believe all the stupid drivers
_should_ be off the road. Reality doesn't work that way.
At least, not in my experience.

I never said it did, you fucking clueless retard.

Your lame ass walks through life with blinders on. Your
comprehension of this thread proves that.

 

[Rich Grise]

Strictly speaking, my lame ass doesn't walk; it sort of rides
on the top of my legs.

It's kind of interesting to note the results of our respective
comphension of this thread, and our concomitant responses. ;=}

DarkMatter wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 06:50:27 GMT, Rich Grise <spamdump@nowhere.net
Gave us:


So What? That doesn't mean I'm going to ride my bike with
blinders on because I believe all the stupid drivers
_should_ be off the road. Reality doesn't work that way.
At least, not in my experience.

I never said it did, you fucking clueless retard.

Your lame ass walks through life with blinders on. Your
comprehension of this thread proves that.

 

[Mark Fergerson]

Rich Grise wrote:

Strictly speaking, my lame ass doesn't walk; it sort of rides
on the top of my legs.

It's kind of interesting to note the results of our respective
comphension of this thread, and our concomitant responses. ;=}

Even more intertesting he had to post _five_ (so far)
separate replies to get all his venom out. Must have touched
a few nerves.

Mark L. Fergerson