Chip with simple program for Toy

[John Fields]

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:03:48 -0700, "Baphomet"
<fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote:

people like Michael Morrow are
putting us on their blocked sender's list. Happy now?

---
Who is Michael Morrow and why should I care?

--
John Fields

 

[Baphomet]

"John Fortier" <jfortier@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On 21 Oct 2003 03:36:22 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:


There you go again, assuming that everybody who thinks that you are an
arse-hole is sexually interested. The message you need to appreciate
is that we find you despicable, not desireable, and that we'd like
*you* to put a cork in it, rather than have you hanging it out in the
hope of more complimentary insertions.

---
What's happened to you Bill? I can remember when you could at least
stay on the subject for a _little_ while. Now, it seems you're just
trying a scattergun approach. Grasping at straws, perhaps? Or
Alzheimer's, Or don't you know?

--
John Fields

Not even worth scoring.

Bill is qujite right, you are despicable. Rude, ignorant, boorish, boring
and banal, with the social graces of a pigmy hippo. There aren't that
many
people who need to know about the 555, and the number there are don't make
it worthwhile for the rest of us to put up withyour purile excresences.

Face it, Jonny, you're out of your depth and no-one's going to rescue you.

I did warn you that you would be held up to the ridicule you so richly
deserve at every post, and now, here we go, it's happening.

How's it feel to be the recipient of what you deserve, after so long
making
life in the groups unpleasant for others?

God, I just love beating up on bullies Go on Fields, "make my day".

 

[John Fortier]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:16:17 GMT, "John Fortier"
jfortier@rochester.rr.com> wrote:


Your company employs amateurs? Why does this not surprise me?

Or are you using "dispatch' in the tough guy vernacular, as in shoot 'em
up?

---
The meaning should be obvious (to anyone of modest intelligence) from
the context.

For the rest of you there's always Webster and Roget.

--
John Fields

From Webster's

Dispatch
1 : to send off or away with promptness or speed; especially : to send off
on official business
2 a : to kill with quick efficiency b obsolete : DEPRIVE
3 : to dispose of (as a task) rapidly or efficiently

Since you were referring to people, Jonny, which one of these is the
appropriate definition?

 

[Baphomet]

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"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On 21 Oct 2003 03:29:15 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:


You are welcome to join the "jump in and write rude things about John
Fields group" originally founded by Robert (of blessed memory).

I seldom miss an opportunity. Do try to keep it pithy though. Roger
Johansson's 309 lines was too long to be effective, and seems to
grossly over-rate John's cultural sensibility - he is not a
creationist, merely a dim creep who has been shaped by a creationist
environment.

---
Pithy, Bill, not banal.

--
John Fields

Yes it was, wasn't it.

Poor attempt at pith. 1/10. If you want to take the pith, Jonny, you'll
have to do much better than your last few attempts. I know what a strain
it
must be not to fall back into your old habit of just lashing out with
ssilly
insults and invective, but you must try torise to level of those who deign
to communicate with you.

It's difficult for Fields to rise when in the kneeling
position...slurp...slurp...slurp...

 

[John Fortier]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:03:48 -0700, "Baphomet"
fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote:

people like Michael Morrow are
putting us on their blocked sender's list. Happy now?

---
Who is Michael Morrow and why should I care?

--
John Fields

Who, for that matter is John Fields?

Jonny, we know you don't care about anyone else, just your own purile
opinions.

I see you've left, "for a while". If you should decide to came back,
remember, it's not going to get any easier on you. We can keep holding you
up to the ridicule you so richly deserve for ever, if necessary. And we
will.

Better to stay away and pretend to be 'really busy'.

Bye!

 

[Ross Mac]

Now that's what I call a "Low Blow"!!!.....

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On 21 Oct 2003 03:29:15 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman)
wrote:


You are welcome to join the "jump in and write rude things about John
Fields group" originally founded by Robert (of blessed memory).

I seldom miss an opportunity. Do try to keep it pithy though. Roger
Johansson's 309 lines was too long to be effective, and seems to
grossly over-rate John's cultural sensibility - he is not a
creationist, merely a dim creep who has been shaped by a creationist
environment.

---
Pithy, Bill, not banal.

--
John Fields

Yes it was, wasn't it.

Poor attempt at pith. 1/10. If you want to take the pith, Jonny,
you'll
have to do much better than your last few attempts. I know what a
strain
it
must be not to fall back into your old habit of just lashing out with
ssilly
insults and invective, but you must try torise to level of those who
deign
to communicate with you.

It's difficult for Fields to rise when in the kneeling
position...slurp...slurp...slurp...

 

[John Fortier]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:31:16 GMT, "John Fortier"
jfortier@rochester.rr.com> wrote:


Baph, the poor schmuck probably wears horns, you know, the mark of the
cuckold. That is, assuming that he has enough of a life to actually have
an
SO in it.

---
Well, of course I have an SO, and if you also have one I suspect the
difference between them is that mine can knit, while yours is shorn for
wool.

--
John Fields

She stays at home and knits? What an exciting life! Well, I guess she has
to do something while you're out "with the boys".

I'm sorry, how do you get wool off a six foot tall Cherokee woman who is a
Cordon Bleu chef?

John Fortier

 

[Ross Mac]

Hey, you know, this thread could use a Drag Queen!
Man, you guys are slinging it good today!

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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:20:39 -0700, "Baphomet"
fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote:


"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:58:10 -0700, "Baphomet"
fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote:


It's truly a joy to read your posts.

---
You _enjoy_ reading paranoid, sophomoric twaddle?

Only when it's good...but then again, how would you possibly know?

---
What, did you also lose your short term memory in VietNam?

It's not hard to figure out from your admission of enjoying reading
Johanson's masturbation fantasies.

John -

Are you in the closet? So many of your references are sexual in nature
that it makes one wonder. Come on...you can admit it to us. We won't hold
it
against you ;-)

 

[Ross Mac]

Then he would have a "butty" just like you "DarkAnal"!


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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:58:10 -0700, "Baphomet"
fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> Gave us:


You're right, of course. John Fields is an abusive, foul mouthed bully
who like all good bullies, picks on the weak and defenseless of which I
can
guarantee, I am not one. He is probably off in some bar in Austin,
sulking
since I read him the riot act yesterday.

You are more retarded than roger dodger is. You two should get
married.

 

[Ross Mac]

Oh yes, and they are all made up according to "DarkTard" and funny
thing....the same 5 insults he always uses! It would be rather difficult to
believe that there could possibly be two roaches like that on the planet!
Try again "TurdMatter"!


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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:58:10 -0700, "Baphomet"
fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> Gave us:


You're right, of course. John Fields is an abusive, foul mouthed
bully
who like all good bullies, picks on the weak and defenseless of which I
can
guarantee, I am not one. He is probably off in some bar in Austin,
sulking
since I read him the riot act yesterday.

You are more retarded than roger dodger is. You two should get
married.

Hey Dark -

I was reading some of your usenet posts on Google yesterday...you
know...the ones that aren't there and if they are, are the work of an
impersonator? Everyone seems to agree that you are an emotionally
dysfuntional putz. What do you think? Do you think? Can you think? Do you
think you think? Youth wants to know!

 

[Ross Mac]

Whew....Go Baphomet!

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"Roger Johansson" <no-email@home.se> wrote in message
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John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

Your rant is amazing, certainly deserving of extended analysis, except
that I have code to finish tonight. In summary, it conveys the
reassurance that no group has a monopoly on bigotry, illogic, or
self-righteous prudery.

My views are the result of a long study of the problems of mankind,
both in world literature, in my own reality and through media.

When you look at what is shown on tv every night you might wonder
where all this violence comes from. Not only the real violence in the
news, but also all the violence in movies and tv series.
And the violence in people's faces and voices, if you are sensible
enough to see it.

Think of what we could do if most people were not occupied with
filling their lives with a lot of meaningless stuff, and violence.

Mankind is paralyzed by a cultural pattern which creates a need in
people to fill the emptyness in their lives, they fill it with
obsessions like sex, music, work, hate, love, bitterness, drugs,
games, anything to take their mind off reality.

The reason is an old power system, a mind control system which earlier
had a religious form, today it has taken on new forms but the old
traditions live on as social processes.

It takes only half an hour for me to explain what I have to say, but
it usually takes years to help a typical reader overcome all the
objections to my ideas he has been impregnated with.

The reason for that is that the culture we live in has built up a lot
of reasons and justifications for the lifestyle most people follow,
and these ideas fill people's minds with justifications for the way
they have been taught to live.
When people are forced to live at a high stress level they find
reasons whu it has to be like that. It is easier for them to change
their own way of seeing the world than to change the world for the
better.

People who try to change the world for the better are called whiners
or sissies. It is more manly to accept a tough world and make it even
tougher.

People learn to be devious and streetsmart, they become experienced
and learn how to fool the simple and naive people.
It becomes an ideal to be tough and smart, to learn to handle a lot of
stress.

People who are trained to be tough and devious have social and mental
power over more natural and uncomplicated people.
The tough people can always escalate themselves out of any problems,
the less tough ones are not prepared to go to higher levels of
toughness and violence.

It has become an ideal to be always on the guard, always ready for a
devious social game, and the people who are not aware of this ideal
are victimized and harassed until they learn the secret rules of this
cultural pattern.

This system leads to a situation where people are so occupied with
keeping an eye on themselves and others that they cannot relax and
find peace of mind. This is the reason why they always occupy
themselves with something, and why they feel a need to drink alcohol.

It is a painful situation to live in, it is unnatural to be constantly
exited and ready for devious social games.
They try to ease the pain and find relief, or occupy themselves with
something as they cannot afford to relax for real.

To be constantly exited has become the norm, instead of being relaxed.
There are many forms of excitation, hate, love, deviousness, fear,
concentration, etc..

In the social life the norm should be to be relaxed, not ready for all
sorts of foul play and violence.

We have a faulty ideal in this culture, and we need to realize how
much problems it causes and change our ideals.

The concentrated and excited people need to understand that they have
to learn to relax, learn to forget the training they have been
subjected to. We should lower the levels of violence instead of
training everybody to ever higher levels of violence.

Roger -

You have to realize that the people that you are trying to reach (Dark
Matter, John Fields, and their ilk) are monosyllabic cultural
Neanderthals,
lacking any kind of sophistication and intellectual or emotional depth.
They've never had a thought deeper than their next rape fantasy and the
words just go over their pointy, opinionated, narrow minded little heads.
Because they become so frustrated with the pathetically obvious
limitations
of the truly anal retentive, their limited vocabulary (such that it may
be),
comes rushing out in hilarious epithets when confronted with themselves.

 

[John Fortier]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:28:40 GMT, "John Fortier"
jfortier@rochester.rr.com> wrote:


Not everyone here has the same sexual preferences as you do, Jonny boy.

---
Obviously, and at the other end of the spectrum from me is your band of
faggot cocksuckers. (Not that there's anything wrong with that...)

--
John Fields

1/10

John, It's time to stop this silly sexual slander. I'm pretty sure that
you're as straight as I am, not that it matters. However, this doesn't
excuse your behaviour and doesn't mean that you are not going to have to
ammend your ways or be ripped into every time you start your usual abuse.
It won't be fun for you, because you really dont have the intellect or
experience to compete effectively.

Perhaps YOU should start your own group - alt.elecronics.abusive. You and
your foul mouthed mates could spend all day and night slinging filth at each
other and not bother those who want to use the newsgroups intelligently and
constructively.

Now, for your own sake, think about this. You won't win because you can't.
We won't flame you, we'll just hold you up to constant ridicule. And, you
know something, Jonny, we're better at it than you'll ever be.

John Fortier

 

[John Fortier]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:37:03 GMT, "John Fortier"
jfortier@rochester.rr.com> wrote:


Poor attempt at pith. 1/10. If you want to take the pith, Jonny, you'll
have to do much better than your last few attempts. I know what a strain
it
must be not to fall back into your old habit of just lashing out with
ssilly
insults and invective, but you must try torise to level of those who
deign
to communicate with you.

---
Deign? Don't make me laugh. You're a supercilious maroon with an
unbridled yearning for adequacy, yet without the wherewithal to attain
it, and you're just lucky that I take precious time out of my life to
eddicate croutons like you.

--
John Fields

An attempt at humour! "maroon", "eddicate", "croutons".

The problem is of course, that the misuse of words just doesn't fit the
context of the sentence, so it's ends up just a silly misuse of words.

Still, the poor boy is trying very hard, but still definitely lacking in
pith.

4/10 (Best effort yet)

 

[Roger Johansson]

I wouldn't dream of reading all the messages in this debate,
especially not the poisonous messages from mr. Fields.
I need to keep my head cool to have inspiration to do other things.

Right now I am busy translating a database program system from one
programming language to another, for example.

I just want to give a word of advice to the nice people, don't let the
speed-freaks wear you out, that is their favorite game. Think about
getting enough rest and keep your heads cool.

Make each day in your life a nice experience.
Dream nice dreams in the night.

--
Roger J.

(My email address is a spam trap, don't use it)

 

[John Fortier]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote in
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:11:49 -0700, "Baphomet"
fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote:


A newsgroup, like a car, cuts one off from full human
interaction.


John

Very true, and the result is behaviour from those who lack self discipline
which would get them either arrested or beaten senseless in real life.

Sorry to bring up the violence angle, but oneof the checks and balances of
real life is the knowledge that one cannot go beyond the acceptd norms of
behaviour and not pay some consequences.

In a newsgroup, there is no direct, physical or financial means of punishing
those who infringe, or totally excced the normal limits of behaviour. The
only means available is to take such people and hold them up to constant
ridicule. Flaming doesn't work, scolding doesn't work in extreme cases and
that leaves only ridicule and the constant exposure of their behaviour.

Who set me up as the arbiter of good manners? Well, nobody, but it's a
dirty job and someone's got to do it.

John Fortier

 

[John Fortier]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote in
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:54:19 +0200, Roger Johansson <no-email@home.se
wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

Your rant is amazing, certainly deserving of extended analysis, except
that I have code to finish tonight. In summary, it conveys the
reassurance that no group has a monopoly on bigotry, illogic, or
self-righteous prudery.

My views are the result of a long study of the problems of mankind,
both in world literature, in my own reality and through media.

When you look at what is shown on tv every night you might wonder
where all this violence comes from. Not only the real violence in the
news, but also all the violence in movies and tv series.
And the violence in people's faces and voices, if you are sensible
enough to see it.


Certainly. People evolved in a far different environment than the one
in which most of us live, but we still carry the basic lusts that had
served us well for millions of years - even before we were human.
These lusts are now easily exploited for fun and profit. So we have a
gross excess of fast cars, fatty foods, tittilating casinos, drugs and
cigarettes, and an endless series of Lethal Weapon movie sequils.

Think of what we could do if most people were not occupied with
filling their lives with a lot of meaningless stuff, and violence.

Well, we could help the rest of the world achieve, um, what we have.


Mankind is paralyzed by a cultural pattern which creates a need in
people to fill the emptyness in their lives, they fill it with
obsessions like sex, music, work, hate, love, bitterness, drugs,
games, anything to take their mind off reality.

No, the pattern is instinctive; modern culture (and, more effective,
modern technology) just enables us to indulge to excess.
Interestingly, culture *used* to have the opposite effect; those
old-timers understood some things better.

The reason is an old power system, a mind control system which earlier
had a religious form, today it has taken on new forms but the old
traditions live on as social processes.

The reason is high productivity replacing the struggle to survive with
a culture of leisure and plenty, and a collapse of the old
legal/religious heirarchy that, whatever its bad influences, did tend
to supress many excesses.

It takes only half an hour for me to explain what I have to say, but
it usually takes years to help a typical reader overcome all the
objections to my ideas he has been impregnated with.

The reason for that is that the culture we live in has built up a lot
of reasons and justifications for the lifestyle most people follow,
and these ideas fill people's minds with justifications for the way
they have been taught to live.
When people are forced to live at a high stress level they find
reasons whu it has to be like that. It is easier for them to change
their own way of seeing the world than to change the world for the
better.

They're not forced. They do it because it makes them feel good,
admittedly on a very shallow and short-term level.


People who try to change the world for the better are called whiners
or sissies.

Too many of them are.

It is more manly to accept a tough world and make it even
tougher.

It takes toughness to reject the fluff, drugs, and shallowness, and to
turn off the TV and do something better.

People learn to be devious and streetsmart, they become experienced
and learn how to fool the simple and naive people.
It becomes an ideal to be tough and smart, to learn to handle a lot of
stress.

Actually, most of the people I know are pretty nice, and have basicly
decent lives. Being tough and devious are useful tools in time of
need, but most people use them sensibly.


People who are trained to be tough and devious have social and mental
power over more natural and uncomplicated people.
The tough people can always escalate themselves out of any problems,
the less tough ones are not prepared to go to higher levels of
toughness and violence.

This is called "leadership." Families and tribes needed this to
survive. Businesses too.

It has become an ideal to be always on the guard, always ready for a
devious social game, and the people who are not aware of this ideal
are victimized and harassed until they learn the secret rules of this
cultural pattern.

This system leads to a situation where people are so occupied with
keeping an eye on themselves and others that they cannot relax and
find peace of mind. This is the reason why they always occupy
themselves with something, and why they feel a need to drink alcohol.

I think you exaggerate. And I doubt there's a correlation between
toughness and alcoholism... I suspect the opposite.

It is a painful situation to live in, it is unnatural to be constantly
exited and ready for devious social games.
They try to ease the pain and find relief, or occupy themselves with
something as they cannot afford to relax for real.

Painful? Most people in the developed world turn out to be rather
healthy physically and mentally, and most enjoy their work, families,
and lives, according to surveys I've seen. Go to Nigeria if you want
to see pain.

To be constantly exited has become the norm, instead of being relaxed.
There are many forms of excitation, hate, love, deviousness, fear,
concentration, etc..

The only thing I really fear in life is boredom.

In the social life the norm should be to be relaxed, not ready for all
sorts of foul play and violence.

You're beginning to bore me.

We have a faulty ideal in this culture, and we need to realize how
much problems it causes and change our ideals.

The concentrated and excited people need to understand that they have
to learn to relax, learn to forget the training they have been
subjected to. We should lower the levels of violence instead of
training everybody to ever higher levels of violence.

Right, those Nintendo games have got to go. Thank goodness, the
Terminator movies are on hold for a while.



Q: So; what's to replace the speed, stimulation, fear, competition,
drugs, violence, and game cartriges plaguing our lives?

A: Spiritual, artistic, romantic pursuits.


John

Good grief, John, here I was thinking that we basically disagreed with each
other.

I guess it comes down to; being tough, strong and a leader doesn't make you
bad. Being successful doesn't make you bad. Living well and being happy
isn't a sin (let's not get into defining sin!) and helping others is as much
a basic instinct as sex and eating are. If we weren't basically altruistic,
we wouldn't have survived.

What seems to be overlooked all to often is that to be generous and
spiritual, you need the wherewithal to do these things. And that's money.
You can't help others if you can't help yourself. You can't give to charity
if you have nothing to give. It's damned hard to be spiritual if you're
starving.

The Western World, that is North America, Western Europe, Australia and New
Zealand, have achieved a way of life which is the envy of the rest of the
world, and we got there by being tough. Real bastards, sometimes. Ask a
few of my ancestors about that! But now, we are more spiritually aware,
more caring and more generous than at any time in the past. Compare the
modern Western world with the 19th century and you can easily see how far we
have come.

Not to say that everything's rosy in the garden. We still have a long way
to go. But, and this is personal opinion, our feet are on the road and
we're going in the right direction. Trouble is, we're not quite sure what
the destination is, and we're going to have to be tough to get there.

John Fortier

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:39:09 GMT, "John Fortier"
<jfortier@rochester.rr.com> wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote in
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:11:49 -0700, "Baphomet"
fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote:


A newsgroup, like a car, cuts one off from full human
interaction.


John

Very true, and the result is behaviour from those who lack self discipline
which would get them either arrested or beaten senseless in real life.

Sorry to bring up the violence angle, but oneof the checks and balances of
real life is the knowledge that one cannot go beyond the acceptd norms of
behaviour and not pay some consequences.

Disagree. What's different about a newsgroup is that it lacks many
other necessary communications clues: tone of voice, facial
expression, body language, all the things that moderate human
interaction in real time. I suspect that some of the nastier trolls
here are generally polite in proximity to real people, not for fear of
violence but because most people seek the approval of others.

In a newsgroup, there is no direct, physical or financial means of punishing
those who infringe, or totally excced the normal limits of behaviour. The
only means available is to take such people and hold them up to constant
ridicule. Flaming doesn't work, scolding doesn't work in extreme cases and
that leaves only ridicule and the constant exposure of their behaviour.

Who set me up as the arbiter of good manners? Well, nobody, but it's a
dirty job and someone's got to do it.

John Fortier

May I humbly suggest that you are going about it the wrong way? One of
the most powerful things you can do to a person is ignore them; that
is also about the *only* effective thing you can do to a person on a
newsgroup. And, given that there is an infinite supply of jerks and
fatheads in the world, it's also an efficiency strategy. But if you
enjoy flame wars with strangers, then go for it.

I was reading about business practice in Japan. Instead of firing
someone, they just ignore them: *everybody* ignores them, as is they
did not exist. The social pressure of this insult almost invariably
makes them quit.

John

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:11:49 -0700, the renowned John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:

I was reading about business practice in Japan. Instead of firing
someone, they just ignore them: *everybody* ignores them, as is they
did not exist. The social pressure of this insult almost invariably
makes them quit.

John

Labor laws must be very weak in Japan- that would be 'constructive
dismissal' under English common law and the employer would be liable
for "reasonable notice" (could easily be a year or two for an older
long term employee) after the employee quite, with no credit for the
time they had been squeezing them. And possibly punitive damages..

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Spehro Pefhany
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[Ross Mac]

Go John!...

"John Fortier" <jfortier@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote in
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:11:49 -0700, "Baphomet"
fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote:


A newsgroup, like a car, cuts one off from full human
interaction.


John

Very true, and the result is behaviour from those who lack self discipline
which would get them either arrested or beaten senseless in real life.

Sorry to bring up the violence angle, but oneof the checks and balances of
real life is the knowledge that one cannot go beyond the acceptd norms of
behaviour and not pay some consequences.

In a newsgroup, there is no direct, physical or financial means of
punishing
those who infringe, or totally excced the normal limits of behaviour. The
only means available is to take such people and hold them up to constant
ridicule. Flaming doesn't work, scolding doesn't work in extreme cases
and
that leaves only ridicule and the constant exposure of their behaviour.

Who set me up as the arbiter of good manners? Well, nobody, but it's a
dirty job and someone's got to do it.

John Fortier

 

[R. Steve Walz]

DarkMatter wrote:

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 04:15:44 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
Gave us:

Oh Roger, quit being such a wuss,

Did your lame ass have to quote all 300 lines of his shit tripe to
post your 30 odd lines of shit tripe?
--------------

You didn't understand anything that was said, so why is your mouth
even moving? You should shut the fuck up and listen.

-Steve
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