Chip with simple program for Toy

[Michael A. Terrell]

John Fortier wrote:

"Baphomet" <fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote in message
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"John Fortier" <jfortier@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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Super Heavy snip...snip...snip...

However, and this may open up a whole new sub thread, (or can of worms)
I
do
have one question which has bugged me every time I've been in the
States;
Why, in a country subject to tornadoes, hurricanes, ice storms,
blizzards
and, very occasionally, volcanic eruptions, are the power, telephone and
cable TV lines strung up on wooden poles?

Economics. It used used to cost $10,000 (in the '70's) per linear mile
just
to string cable. It would probaly cost at least that to bury it...and then
there are the coordination issues between the Telco, Power, Cable
companies
and local and state jurisdictional authorities.

And why, when there is a simple cure for power loss caused by all of
this
beside the volcanoes, which is burying the cables, doesn't anyone sue
the
power companies every time the power fails due to weather conditions
which
would not affect buried cables. Last winter we had an ice storm in
Rochester and some people had no power for two weeks. It cost the local
power company millions to put back up the lines and, as I said, it took
two
weeks to restore power to some people.

These costs were probably written off against profits at tax time so it
costs the company nothing.

And nobody sued the power company! Amazing in a country where
successful
suites have been taken out against refrigerator manufacturers for not
telling people not to climb up the door!

What's the point. The cost of lawsuits would just be passed on the the
paying customers by increasing the rates.

Anyone got any ideas on this rather strange situation?

When new developments are built and wired up, everything is usually
buried.
U.S. urban population represents about 80% of the total. Wires are already
likely to be buried in most large urban areas.
http://www.census.gov/prod/2000pubs/p25-1133.pdf

Actually, I've noticed that urban areas are really no better than rural
areas. My own house, for example, has no power poles on the street - no -
they're all in the back yards!

I would have thought a class action against the power companies would have a
fair chance of success, especially if the claimants reduced their claim if
the company agreed to bury the cables. Once the power companies realised
that every time there was a preventable outage they would lose even more
money, it would soon make economical sense to bury the cables. People are
dying because of this situation, and everyone just sits still and takes it.

Actually, I believe that in NY state, where both baphomet and I live, the
price of power is capped, so the compainies wouldn't have the chance to pass
on the cost of the suites to their customers. About other states, I don't
know, but it seems likely that some form of capping is in place in most.

As far as co-ordination between power, telephone and cable is concerned,
they co-ordinate about use of poles, so why not trenches?

And, dare I say it, in light of other sub threads, power failures caused by
extreme weather are much rarer in Europe, because the residential power
lines are all buried. Only high tension lines are above ground and they are
built to take the conditions, which in northern Europe do include ice
storms.

John

An older part of Orlando recently sued and won the right to purchase
the old overhead distribution system from the local utility because they
wouldn't convert everything to underground all at one time. Now, they
have to decided whether to pay millions for the existing system, more
millions to replace it, and spend time in court getting new right of
ways for underground service. Then they will have to contract for the
bulk electricity, do their own maintenance and handle billing, non
payments. They believed they would have dozens of companies jumping in
to offer bulk electric for almost nothing, and agree to a zero
downtime. I think they are finally seeing the light. The conversion will
cost every home and business a bundle to convert, and they will be
paying off the interest on the loans for decades.
--


Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Lord Garth]

"Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in message
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snip

Where you live and work is a totally personal matter, but slamming each
other's countries is just going to make everyone want to move to
Australia.

Not really. The Austrlain economy is dodgy, and the the current prime
minister is a right-wing half-wit who believes in monetarist
economics, sound money, and all the other stuff that gave us the last
great depression.

However, and this may open up a whole new sub thread, (or can of worms)
I do
have one question which has bugged me every time I've been in the
States;
Why, in a country subject to tornadoes, hurricanes, ice storms,
blizzards
and, very occasionally, volcanic eruptions, are the power, telephone and
cable TV lines strung up on wooden poles?

Population density. Cables strung up on poles are cheaper, per mile,
than cables buried in trenches. In most of Europe the number of
dwelling per acre is so high that the additional cost of burying the
cable is tolerable.

And why, when there is a simple cure for power loss caused by all of
this
beside the volcanoes, which is burying the cables, doesn't anyone sue
the
power companies every time the power fails due to weather conditions
which
would not affect buried cables. Last winter we had an ice storm in
Rochester and some people had no power for two weeks. It cost the local
power company millions to put back up the lines and, as I said, it took
two
weeks to restore power to some people.

The solution is simple enough, but it isn't cheap. Even if you use a
plough arrangment to lay the cable to save the cost of digging the
trench, you've still got to re-instate road or footpath over most of
the cable route.

And nobody sued the power company! Amazing in a country where
successful
suites have been taken out against refrigerator manufacturers for not
telling people not to climb up the door!

Anyone got any ideas on this rather strange situation?

John Kenneth Gailbraith - "The Affluent Society" - private affluence
and public squalor. In this case the public squalor is the visual
contamination of the telephone and power poles and the cables hanging
all over the place.

The Europeans seem to be prepared to spend money on keeping their
public urban spaces looking good. In Nijmegen, we are even digging up
the more heavily travelled roads and resurfacing them with "very open
asphalt/concrete" which reduces traffic noise very noticeably.

-------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Don't forget that it allows rain water to be absorbed more so than if
it were a contiguous surface. I'd guess this helps ground water and
flash flood situations problems as well.

 

[Ross Mac]

Hey, Lord Garth....I used to know a guy back in the 80's that was quite a
good programmer that used that handle...
Does "Grey Beard" bring anything to mind???
Maybe I am way off base...have a great one....Ross


"Lord Garth" <LGarth@Tantalus.net> wrote in message
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snip

Where you live and work is a totally personal matter, but slamming
each
other's countries is just going to make everyone want to move to
Australia.

Not really. The Austrlain economy is dodgy, and the the current prime
minister is a right-wing half-wit who believes in monetarist
economics, sound money, and all the other stuff that gave us the last
great depression.

However, and this may open up a whole new sub thread, (or can of
worms)
I do
have one question which has bugged me every time I've been in the
States;
Why, in a country subject to tornadoes, hurricanes, ice storms,
blizzards
and, very occasionally, volcanic eruptions, are the power, telephone
and
cable TV lines strung up on wooden poles?

Population density. Cables strung up on poles are cheaper, per mile,
than cables buried in trenches. In most of Europe the number of
dwelling per acre is so high that the additional cost of burying the
cable is tolerable.

And why, when there is a simple cure for power loss caused by all of
this
beside the volcanoes, which is burying the cables, doesn't anyone sue
the
power companies every time the power fails due to weather conditions
which
would not affect buried cables. Last winter we had an ice storm in
Rochester and some people had no power for two weeks. It cost the
local
power company millions to put back up the lines and, as I said, it
took
two
weeks to restore power to some people.

The solution is simple enough, but it isn't cheap. Even if you use a
plough arrangment to lay the cable to save the cost of digging the
trench, you've still got to re-instate road or footpath over most of
the cable route.

And nobody sued the power company! Amazing in a country where
successful
suites have been taken out against refrigerator manufacturers for not
telling people not to climb up the door!

Anyone got any ideas on this rather strange situation?

John Kenneth Gailbraith - "The Affluent Society" - private affluence
and public squalor. In this case the public squalor is the visual
contamination of the telephone and power poles and the cables hanging
all over the place.

The Europeans seem to be prepared to spend money on keeping their
public urban spaces looking good. In Nijmegen, we are even digging up
the more heavily travelled roads and resurfacing them with "very open
asphalt/concrete" which reduces traffic noise very noticeably.

-------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Don't forget that it allows rain water to be absorbed more so than if
it were a contiguous surface. I'd guess this helps ground water and
flash flood situations problems as well.

 

[Keith R. Williams]

In article <VmClb.11052$Ec1.991088@bgtnsc05-
news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, macroeng@example.invalid says...

Total ridicule by the masses eventually does the trick!

Wrong! The DimBulb types enjoy the attention. He'd have changed
names to Tutamongus, or some such you were correct.

Anyway, I enjoy rippin' the TardHole a new one....It fits him/her
well....Ross

You'll get dirty chasing and sloppin' pigs. ...and the pig will
have much fun.

--
Keith

 

[Lord Garth]

"Ross Mac" <macroeng@example.invalid> wrote in message
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Hey, Lord Garth....I used to know a guy back in the 80's that was quite a
good programmer that used that handle...
Does "Grey Beard" bring anything to mind???
Maybe I am way off base...have a great one....Ross

Was he in the Dallas area? I only recall one Ross from then and while
he was capable of programming, he was a product engineer.

Thanks, I try to!!!

 

[DarkMatter]

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:04:07 GMT, "Ross Mac"
<macroeng@example.invalid> Gave us:

Good luck with that strategy.....Only a good right hook to the jaw is going
to stop guys like "DarkMatter" from mucking up the newsgroups!

Where does your lame ass want to meet at, Jackoff?

What? Too wussified? I thought so. Actually, I knew so.

Any time you want to meet, you lame fuck, you let me know.

Having said
that, it should seem obvious that exposing these morons for what they are is
the only remaining solution.....Ross

Actually, retard boy, you are exposing yourself as the exact retard
I laid you down to be. You have yet to make a contributory post since
I pegged your lame ass. Your every post has been zero in content.

It makes sense, however, you have yet to make a decent post... at
all.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:53:44 -0400, Keith R. Williams
<krw@attglobal.net> Gave us:

In article <VmClb.11052$Ec1.991088@bgtnsc05-
news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, macroeng@example.invalid says...
Total ridicule by the masses eventually does the trick!

Wrong! The DimBulb types enjoy the attention. He'd have changed
names to Tutamongus, or some such you were correct.

Anyway, I enjoy rippin' the TardHole a new one....It fits him/her
well....Ross

You'll get dirty chasing and sloppin' pigs. ...and the pig will
have much fun.

Thanks for telling us all about yourself.

 

[Ross Mac]

He was in the Silicon alley area....thanks for the reply...Ross
"Lord Garth" <LGarth@Tantalus.net> wrote in message
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"Ross Mac" <macroeng@example.invalid> wrote in message
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Hey, Lord Garth....I used to know a guy back in the 80's that was quite
a
good programmer that used that handle...
Does "Grey Beard" bring anything to mind???
Maybe I am way off base...have a great one....Ross


Was he in the Dallas area? I only recall one Ross from then and while
he was capable of programming, he was a product engineer.

Thanks, I try to!!!

 

[DarkMatter]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:58:29 -0700, "Baphomet"
<fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> Gave us:

snip...snip...snip...

Ya fucking retard. Interesting that you decided to "snip" where the
other jackass said that he wanted to hit someone. I invited him to a
meeting where he could attempt to achieve his poor character goal.

You are a total retard, little boy. Your little wastes of bandwidth
with your little snip snip snip posts proves that you are a net
retard.

 

[Ross Mac]

You are correct sir!.....

"Keith R. Williams" <krw@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a02502eeb4d640998a7f3@enews.newsguy.com...

In article <VmClb.11052$Ec1.991088@bgtnsc05-
news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, macroeng@example.invalid says...
Total ridicule by the masses eventually does the trick!

Wrong! The DimBulb types enjoy the attention. He'd have changed
names to Tutamongus, or some such you were correct.

Anyway, I enjoy rippin' the TardHole a new one....It fits him/her
well....Ross

You'll get dirty chasing and sloppin' pigs. ...and the pig will
have much fun.

--
Keith

 

[Baphomet]

"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:40:47 -0400, JW <none@dev.nul> Gave us:

Bent over the bar in his usual positon, pants at his ankles and jar of
vaseline at the ready, Don't Matter spread his cheeks wide and said:

snip...snip...snip...

"I do just fine with english, dipshit."

snip...snip...snip...

"You're a fucking usenet retard, boy."

snip...snip...snip...

"No. That is a fantasy in your fucked head."

snip...snip...snip...

 

[Baphomet]

"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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snip...snip...snip...

Bent over the bar spread eagle in usual positon, pants at his ankles and jar
of vaseline at the ready, Don't Matter spread his cheeks wide and said:

"Where does your lame ass want to meet at, Jackoff?"

"What? Too wussified? I thought so. Actually, I knew so."

"Any time you want to meet, you lame fuck, you let me know."

snip...snip...snip...

"Actually, retard boy, you are exposing yourself as the exact retard
I laid you down to be. You have yet to make a contributory post since
I pegged your lame ass. Your every post has been zero in content."

snip...snip...snip...

 

[Baphomet]

"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:19:17 GMT, "John Fortier"

snip...snip...snip...

Bent over the bar spread eagle in usual positon, pants at his ankles and jar
of vaseline at the ready, Don't Matter spread his cheeks wide and said:

"You're an idiot. A totally clueless Usenet retard. You probably
starred in that film, "Total Retard"."

 

[Dbowey]

Idiots

 

[Lord Garth]

"Ross Mac" <macroeng@example.invalid> wrote in message
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"Lord Garth" <LGarth@Tantalus.net> wrote in message
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"Ross Mac" <macroeng@example.invalid> wrote in message
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Hey, Lord Garth....I used to know a guy back in the 80's that was
quite
a
good programmer that used that handle...
Does "Grey Beard" bring anything to mind???
Maybe I am way off base...have a great one....Ross


Was he in the Dallas area? I only recall one Ross from then and while
he was capable of programming, he was a product engineer.

Thanks, I try to!!!

He was in the Silicon alley area....thanks for the reply...Ross

No sorry, I didn't know him. Where is Si alley, this area is the
silicon prairie.

 

[Fred Abse]

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:20:20 +0000, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

r laws must be very weak in Japan- that would be 'constructive
dismissal' under English common law

Statute law, IIRC

and the employer would be liable
for "reasonable notice" (could easily be a year or two for an older
long term employee) after the employee quite, with no credit for the
time they had been squeezing them. And possibly punitive damages.

No punitive damages in UK. Compensatory only.

--
Then there's duct tape ...
(Garrison Keillor)
nofr@sbhevre.pbzchyvax.pb.hx

 

[Dimitrij Klingbeil]

"John Fortier" <jfortier@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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snip

Perhaps YOU should start your own group - alt.elecronics.abusive.

snip

Alt and abusive may fit in certain (especially these) circumstances, but how
did you manage to put the honourable name of electronics into it? ;-)

Dimitrij

 

[Ross Mac]

I did a mistype....Silicon Valley in Northern California...

"Lord Garth" <LGarth@Tantalus.net> wrote in message
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"Ross Mac" <macroeng@example.invalid> wrote in message
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"Lord Garth" <LGarth@Tantalus.net> wrote in message
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"Ross Mac" <macroeng@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:bF_lb.190890$0v4.14791103@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Hey, Lord Garth....I used to know a guy back in the 80's that was
quite
a
good programmer that used that handle...
Does "Grey Beard" bring anything to mind???
Maybe I am way off base...have a great one....Ross


Was he in the Dallas area? I only recall one Ross from then and while
he was capable of programming, he was a product engineer.

Thanks, I try to!!!

He was in the Silicon alley area....thanks for the reply...Ross

No sorry, I didn't know him. Where is Si alley, this area is the
silicon prairie.

 

[Fred Abse]

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:50:15 +0000, Ross Mac wrote:

I did a mistype....Silicon Valley in Northern California...

Funny how many people think there's no CA north of Sacramento :-(

Silicon Valley ain't Northern California, it's about two thirds of the way
up.

Some of the best bits of the state are further north.

Redding is Northern California,
Not to mention Yreka

--
Then there's duct tape ...
(Garrison Keillor)
nofr@sbhevre.pbzchyvax.pb.hx

 

[Ross Mac]

And hey, Eureka is a nice town too! Especially old town...
But you are right, most don't really know anything about the area north of
Marin, not to mention, the Central coast, south of Monterey/Carmel
area......take care Fred, Ross

"Fred Abse" <excretatauris@cerebrumconfus.it> wrote in message
newsan.2003.10.25.18.13.27.134329@cerebrumconfus.it...

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:50:15 +0000, Ross Mac wrote:

I did a mistype....Silicon Valley in Northern California...

Funny how many people think there's no CA north of Sacramento :-(

Silicon Valley ain't Northern California, it's about two thirds of the way
up.

Some of the best bits of the state are further north.

Redding is Northern California,
Not to mention Yreka

--
Then there's duct tape ...
(Garrison Keillor)
nofr@sbhevre.pbzchyvax.pb.hx