Chip with simple program for Toy

[Baphomet]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:38:13 -0700, "Baphomet"
fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote:


God, I just love beating up on bullies Go on Fields, "make my day".

---

_You_ do? Bullshit. You're a toady. All you're doing is riding around
on Farty's coattails while he thrashes about wildly trying to repair the
damage he's already inficted on himself.

Beat up on bullshit? Okay, have it your way. You're bullshit, you're taking
the thrashing you rightly deserve, and people like Michael Morrow are
putting us on their blocked sender's list. Happy now?

Amazing! Three clowns, all Bozos! Better tho, (since I'm the cute,
diminutive "Jonny") in order to alleviate confusion, maybe you all can
be Farty, Barphy, and Dopey?

--
John Fields

 

[Baphomet]

"John Fortier" <jfortier@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:03:48 -0700, "Baphomet"
fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote:

people like Michael Morrow are
putting us on their blocked sender's list. Happy now?

---
Who is Michael Morrow and why should I care?

--
John Fields

Who, for that matter is John Fields?

Jonny, we know you don't care about anyone else, just your own purile
opinions.

I see you've left, "for a while". If you should decide to came back,
remember, it's not going to get any easier on you. We can keep holding
you
up to the ridicule you so richly deserve for ever, if necessary. And we
will.

Better to stay away and pretend to be 'really busy'.

Bye!

Hope he is going away to work on that cheesy website of his. Yech!

 

[Baphomet]

"Ross Mac" <macroeng@example.invalid> wrote in message
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Now that's what I call a "Low Blow"!!!.....

"Baphomet" <fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote in message
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"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On 21 Oct 2003 03:29:15 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman)
wrote:


You are welcome to join the "jump in and write rude things about
John
Fields group" originally founded by Robert (of blessed memory).

I seldom miss an opportunity. Do try to keep it pithy though. Roger
Johansson's 309 lines was too long to be effective, and seems to
grossly over-rate John's cultural sensibility - he is not a
creationist, merely a dim creep who has been shaped by a
creationist
environment.

---
Pithy, Bill, not banal.

--
John Fields

Yes it was, wasn't it.

Poor attempt at pith. 1/10. If you want to take the pith, Jonny,
you'll
have to do much better than your last few attempts. I know what a
strain
it
must be not to fall back into your old habit of just lashing out with
ssilly
insults and invective, but you must try torise to level of those who
deign
to communicate with you.

It's difficult for Fields to rise when in the kneeling
position...slurp...slurp...slurp...

 

[Baphomet]

"Ross Mac" <macroeng@example.invalid> wrote in message
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Hey, you know, this thread could use a Drag Queen!
Man, you guys are slinging it good today!

We already have one...and his name is Georgie Girl...errr...Johnny Boy

"Baphomet" <fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote in message
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"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:20:39 -0700, "Baphomet"
fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote:


"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:58:10 -0700, "Baphomet"
fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote:


It's truly a joy to read your posts.

---
You _enjoy_ reading paranoid, sophomoric twaddle?

Only when it's good...but then again, how would you possibly know?

---
What, did you also lose your short term memory in VietNam?

It's not hard to figure out from your admission of enjoying reading
Johanson's masturbation fantasies.

John -

Are you in the closet? So many of your references are sexual in nature
that it makes one wonder. Come on...you can admit it to us. We won't
hold
it
against you ;-)

 

[Bill Sloman]

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:<l5capvkphpqec6qv3a77jd467cb0oema7f@4ax.com>...

On 21 Oct 2003 03:45:50 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:<1u29pvshrj0cpafh5c6620ge6mepcvlgns@4ax.com>...
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:20:39 -0700, "Baphomet"
fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote:


"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:58:10 -0700, "Baphomet"
fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote:


It's truly a joy to read your posts.

---
You _enjoy_ reading paranoid, sophomoric twaddle?

Only when it's good...but then again, how would you possibly know?

---
What, did you also lose your short term memory in VietNam?

It's not hard to figure out from your admission of enjoying reading
Johanson's masturbation fantasies.

You get your kicks from being beaten up by teenage boys?

Explains a lot.

---
Now that makes absolutely no sense to me. Care to explain how you
arrived at that conclusion?

I couldn't recall any overtly sexual content Roger Johansons 309-line
epic, while I could recall a fair bit about teen-age boys being
violent. If you see his posting as a "masturbation fantasy" then you
would seem to entertain sexual fantasies of an unconventional sort.

------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[Ross Mac]

He doesn't, he won't and you're correct!


"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:3F959FD3.4BDE@armory.com...

DarkMatter wrote:

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 04:15:44 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
Gave us:

Oh Roger, quit being such a wuss,

Did your lame ass have to quote all 300 lines of his shit tripe to
post your 30 odd lines of shit tripe?
--------------
You didn't understand anything that was said, so why is your mouth
even moving? You should shut the fuck up and listen.

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[John Fields]

On 21 Oct 2003 15:07:54 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:

I couldn't recall any overtly sexual content Roger Johansons 309-line
epic, while I could recall a fair bit about teen-age boys being
violent. If you see his posting as a "masturbation fantasy" then you
would seem to entertain sexual fantasies of an unconventional sort.

---
I stand corrected. Thank you.

While I didn't read through the entire thing, glossing over it gave me
the impression that it was "Wankwork" and I replied to it with less than
critical examination. I shall have to be more careful in the future.

--
John Fields

 

[DarkMatter]

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:02:14 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> Gave us:

This is wild, and uninformed, exaggeration. One's newsgroup personna
is loosely correlated to one's behavior with real people in real life.

Around here, the Berkeley Liberals are notorious for morphing from
loving spiritualists to hell-on-wheels the second they step into their
Volvos. A newsgroup, like a car, cuts one off from full human
interaction.


John

Damn! He got another one right.

 

[John Fortier]

"Roger Johansson" <no-email@home.se> wrote in message
news:hm1bpvoq3c62clof57h3plr9cog7in6eot@4ax.com...

I wouldn't dream of reading all the messages in this debate,
especially not the poisonous messages from mr. Fields.
I need to keep my head cool to have inspiration to do other things.

Right now I am busy translating a database program system from one
programming language to another, for example.

I just want to give a word of advice to the nice people, don't let the
speed-freaks wear you out, that is their favorite game. Think about
getting enough rest and keep your heads cool.

Make each day in your life a nice experience.
Dream nice dreams in the night.

--
Roger J.

(My email address is a spam trap, don't use it)

Roger, none of us have any intention of letting little Jonny and his tame
minions wear us down. Rather the reverse, we fully intend to make life in
the groups so unpleasant for little Jonny that he'll eventually go off in a
huff.

This should have happened a long time ago.

Then, hopefully, we'll have a group which is clean enough that a separate
minimally moderated group won't be needed.

Regards

John Fortier

 

[John Fields]

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 02:46:22 GMT, "John Fortier"
<jfortier@rochester.rr.com> wrote:

Roger, none of us have any intention of letting little Jonny and his tame
minions wear us down. Rather the reverse, we fully intend to make life in
the groups so unpleasant for little Jonny that he'll eventually go off in a
huff.

This should have happened a long time ago.

Then, hopefully, we'll have a group which is clean enough that a separate
minimally moderated group won't be needed.

---
You have found that your initial premise that a separate, "minimally
moderated" newsgroup is needed has proven to be flawed, but you can't
bear to to be proven wrong, so you pretend that this (these) newsgroups
need to be cleaned up (you _are_ crossposting, you know) and you persist
with your off-topic, band wasting garbage which, by your own admission
has no place here. Just looking at the increase in the volume of
off-topic traffic since you've shown up should make it clear to you that
you have become a major distraction to the normal ebb and flow of at
least three newsgroups.

If you consider violating your own stated beliefs as a justifiable means
of securing what you consider to be a desirable end, then I suggest you
study the life of Hitler in order to find a reducto ad absurdium
example to follow and an end to expect.

Interestingly, after reviewing your reasons for starting this vendetta
what stands out is your accusation that I go after the weak and
helpless, or something like that. Had you bothered to check my posting
history, (archived at Google over the last ten years or so) you would
have found over 8000 posts, (not counting the binaries, which aren't
archived there) the vast majority of which have been helpful to the"weak
and helpless", and quite a few devoted to dispatching bullies, trolls,
and idiots, which you justify and claim to be doing right now. Your
posting history, on the other hand, is about 10% technical help and
about 90% feud and self-aggrandizing anecdotes, which seems to me to be
at variance with what you profess. If you want the job of Sheriff of
Dodge, I turn the badge over to you, but rest assured that the good
citizens will be watching you.

--
John Fields

 

[Tim Auton]

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
[snip]

If you consider violating your own stated beliefs as a justifiable means
of securing what you consider to be a desirable end, then I suggest you
study the life of Hitler in order to find a reducto ad absurdium
example to follow and an end to expect.

It seems Godwin was right.


Tim
--
And the beast shall be made legion. Its numbers shall be increased a
thousand thousand fold. The din of a million keyboards like unto a great
storm shall cover the earth, and the followers of Mammon shall tremble.
- The Book of Mozilla, 3:31

 

[John Fortier]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote in
message news:l04bpv8654gc8jgg1vkkfv1l9q97odme49@4ax.com...

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:39:09 GMT, "John Fortier"
jfortier@rochester.rr.com> wrote:


"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote in
message news:caiapvgv6n3au602loqmd078qm4pgrdkgm@4ax.com...
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:11:49 -0700, "Baphomet"
fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote:


A newsgroup, like a car, cuts one off from full human
interaction.


John

Very true, and the result is behaviour from those who lack self
discipline
which would get them either arrested or beaten senseless in real life.

Sorry to bring up the violence angle, but oneof the checks and balances
of
real life is the knowledge that one cannot go beyond the acceptd norms of
behaviour and not pay some consequences.

Disagree. What's different about a newsgroup is that it lacks many
other necessary communications clues: tone of voice, facial
expression, body language, all the things that moderate human
interaction in real time. I suspect that some of the nastier trolls
here are generally polite in proximity to real people, not for fear of
violence but because most people seek the approval of others.


In a newsgroup, there is no direct, physical or financial means of
punishing
those who infringe, or totally excced the normal limits of behaviour.
The
only means available is to take such people and hold them up to constant
ridicule. Flaming doesn't work, scolding doesn't work in extreme cases
and
that leaves only ridicule and the constant exposure of their behaviour.

Who set me up as the arbiter of good manners? Well, nobody, but it's a
dirty job and someone's got to do it.

John Fortier




May I humbly suggest that you are going about it the wrong way? One of
the most powerful things you can do to a person is ignore them; that
is also about the *only* effective thing you can do to a person on a
newsgroup. And, given that there is an infinite supply of jerks and
fatheads in the world, it's also an efficiency strategy. But if you
enjoy flame wars with strangers, then go for it.

I was reading about business practice in Japan. Instead of firing
someone, they just ignore them: *everybody* ignores them, as is they
did not exist. The social pressure of this insult almost invariably
makes them quit.

John

Given our present circumstances, and the personalities involved, do you
think this is a strategy which would work?

The problem seems to be that we have people who post to this group who abuse
anyone who doesn't measure up to their, undefined, standards and who think
it's "fun" to abuse newbies for asking newby type questions.

Granted, some of the questions give rise to frustration with the newby's
laziness or excessive expectations, but if we are to have a group where even
such questions are answered politely with the suggestion as to where they
can gain the information they want, or an answer including a reference to
further research information, they may come back and become,in time,
valuable contributors.

At present, they are likely to be abused, usually by John Fields, and
discouraged from returning.

Unfortunately, newbies won't know that John Fields is an anomaly here and
won't have him on their kill file, even if they know how to organise one.

I'd really like to try the ignoring tactic, but, given the above, I don't
see how it would work.

The alternative is to hold him up to constant ridicule, which is the tactic
I have been employing. I know it makes the group look like a bar room
brawl, but at present I don't see any other tactic which has a chance of
success.

John Fortier

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:05:39 GMT, "John Fortier"
<jfortier@rochester.rr.com> wrote:

I was reading about business practice in Japan. Instead of firing
someone, they just ignore them: *everybody* ignores them, as is they
did not exist. The social pressure of this insult almost invariably
makes them quit.

John


Given our present circumstances, and the personalities involved, do you
think this is a strategy which would work?

It works for me.

The problem seems to be that we have people who post to this group who abuse
anyone who doesn't measure up to their, undefined, standards and who think
it's "fun" to abuse newbies for asking newby type questions.

Granted, some of the questions give rise to frustration with the newby's
laziness or excessive expectations, but if we are to have a group where even
such questions are answered politely with the suggestion as to where they
can gain the information they want, or an answer including a reference to
further research information, they may come back and become,in time,
valuable contributors.

If the newbies get friendly, helpful answers, they'll sensibly ignore
the nasty ones and reply to the nice ones. If *all* they get are
nasties, they won't be back, but then that's the same as if they got
no replies at all. So if you want to encourage new posters, get out
there and welcome them.

At present, they are likely to be abused, usually by John Fields, and
discouraged from returning.

Unfortunately, newbies won't know that John Fields is an anomaly here and
won't have him on their kill file, even if they know how to organise one.

So tell them.

I'd really like to try the ignoring tactic, but, given the above, I don't
see how it would work.

So you prefer a 388-post flame thread that spins off another dozen
equally nasty threads? Obviously you do, since you have become a prime
flamer yourself.

The alternative is to hold him up to constant ridicule, which is the tactic
I have been employing.

I think that was a typo... did you meant to say "enjoying?"

I know it makes the group look like a bar room
brawl, but at present I don't see any other tactic which has a chance of
success.

Success? Where? Show me your "success."

If rude postings are ignored, the transient damps out quickly. Try it,
if you can. The only other effective tactic is humor, but that takes
more skill to do properly.

John Fortier

John

 

[Baphomet]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 02:46:22 GMT, "John Fortier"

Heavy snip...snip...snip...

If you want the job of Sheriff of
Dodge, I turn the badge over to you, but rest assured that the good
citizens will be watching you.

--
John Fields

Does this constitute a pro forma abdication John?

 

[Ross Mac]

Good luck with that strategy.....Only a good right hook to the jaw is going
to stop guys like "DarkMatter" from mucking up the newsgroups! Having said
that, it should seem obvious that exposing these morons for what they are is
the only remaining solution.....Ross


"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message
news:735bpvcnhpknsdb4aqq0rj9lhau7simber@4ax.com...

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:11:49 -0700, the renowned John Larkin
jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:


I was reading about business practice in Japan. Instead of firing
someone, they just ignore them: *everybody* ignores them, as is they
did not exist. The social pressure of this insult almost invariably
makes them quit.

John

Labor laws must be very weak in Japan- that would be 'constructive
dismissal' under English common law and the employer would be liable
for "reasonable notice" (could easily be a year or two for an older
long term employee) after the employee quite, with no credit for the
time they had been squeezing them. And possibly punitive damages..

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers:
http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers:
http://www.speff.com

 

[Ross Mac]

You hit that one right on the head!


"John Fortier" <jfortier@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:71xlb.61364$Hs.59154@twister.nyroc.rr.com...

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote in
message news:l04bpv8654gc8jgg1vkkfv1l9q97odme49@4ax.com...
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:39:09 GMT, "John Fortier"
jfortier@rochester.rr.com> wrote:


"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote in
message news:caiapvgv6n3au602loqmd078qm4pgrdkgm@4ax.com...
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:11:49 -0700, "Baphomet"
fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote:


A newsgroup, like a car, cuts one off from full human
interaction.


John

Very true, and the result is behaviour from those who lack self
discipline
which would get them either arrested or beaten senseless in real life.

Sorry to bring up the violence angle, but oneof the checks and balances
of
real life is the knowledge that one cannot go beyond the acceptd norms
of
behaviour and not pay some consequences.

Disagree. What's different about a newsgroup is that it lacks many
other necessary communications clues: tone of voice, facial
expression, body language, all the things that moderate human
interaction in real time. I suspect that some of the nastier trolls
here are generally polite in proximity to real people, not for fear of
violence but because most people seek the approval of others.


In a newsgroup, there is no direct, physical or financial means of
punishing
those who infringe, or totally excced the normal limits of behaviour.
The
only means available is to take such people and hold them up to
constant
ridicule. Flaming doesn't work, scolding doesn't work in extreme cases
and
that leaves only ridicule and the constant exposure of their behaviour.

Who set me up as the arbiter of good manners? Well, nobody, but it's a
dirty job and someone's got to do it.

John Fortier




May I humbly suggest that you are going about it the wrong way? One of
the most powerful things you can do to a person is ignore them; that
is also about the *only* effective thing you can do to a person on a
newsgroup. And, given that there is an infinite supply of jerks and
fatheads in the world, it's also an efficiency strategy. But if you
enjoy flame wars with strangers, then go for it.

I was reading about business practice in Japan. Instead of firing
someone, they just ignore them: *everybody* ignores them, as is they
did not exist. The social pressure of this insult almost invariably
makes them quit.

John


Given our present circumstances, and the personalities involved, do you
think this is a strategy which would work?

The problem seems to be that we have people who post to this group who
abuse
anyone who doesn't measure up to their, undefined, standards and who think
it's "fun" to abuse newbies for asking newby type questions.

Granted, some of the questions give rise to frustration with the newby's
laziness or excessive expectations, but if we are to have a group where
even
such questions are answered politely with the suggestion as to where they
can gain the information they want, or an answer including a reference to
further research information, they may come back and become,in time,
valuable contributors.

At present, they are likely to be abused, usually by John Fields, and
discouraged from returning.

Unfortunately, newbies won't know that John Fields is an anomaly here and
won't have him on their kill file, even if they know how to organise one.

I'd really like to try the ignoring tactic, but, given the above, I don't
see how it would work.

The alternative is to hold him up to constant ridicule, which is the
tactic
I have been employing. I know it makes the group look like a bar room
brawl, but at present I don't see any other tactic which has a chance of
success.

John Fortier

 

[Tim Auton]

"Ross Mac" <macroeng@example.invalid> wrote:

Good luck with that strategy.....Only a good right hook to the jaw is going
to stop guys like "DarkMatter" from mucking up the newsgroups! Having said
that, it should seem obvious that exposing these morons for what they are is
the only remaining solution.....Ross

The solution is to ignore them, even killfile them. Certainly don't
reply.


Tim
--
And the beast shall be made legion. Its numbers shall be increased a
thousand thousand fold. The din of a million keyboards like unto a great
storm shall cover the earth, and the followers of Mammon shall tremble.
- The Book of Mozilla, 3:31

 

[Ross Mac]

Total ridicule by the masses eventually does the trick!
Anyway, I enjoy rippin' the TardHole a new one....It fits him/her
well....Ross

"Tim Auton" <tim.auton@uton.org> wrote in message
news:rnmdpv49loim2a2ag2vcf3ap8jf6109ub0@4ax.com...

"Ross Mac" <macroeng@example.invalid> wrote:
Good luck with that strategy.....Only a good right hook to the jaw is
going
to stop guys like "DarkMatter" from mucking up the newsgroups! Having
said
that, it should seem obvious that exposing these morons for what they are
is
the only remaining solution.....Ross

The solution is to ignore them, even killfile them. Certainly don't
reply.


Tim
--
And the beast shall be made legion. Its numbers shall be increased a
thousand thousand fold. The din of a million keyboards like unto a great
storm shall cover the earth, and the followers of Mammon shall tremble.
- The Book of Mozilla, 3:31

 

[John Fortier]

"Baphomet" <fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote in message
news:vpfkapft4foa9d@corp.supernews.com...

"John Fortier" <jfortier@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:YFPlb.46664$Sc7.28895@twister.nyroc.rr.com...

Super Heavy snip...snip...snip...

However, and this may open up a whole new sub thread, (or can of worms)
I
do
have one question which has bugged me every time I've been in the
States;
Why, in a country subject to tornadoes, hurricanes, ice storms,
blizzards
and, very occasionally, volcanic eruptions, are the power, telephone and
cable TV lines strung up on wooden poles?

Economics. It used used to cost $10,000 (in the '70's) per linear mile
just
to string cable. It would probaly cost at least that to bury it...and then
there are the coordination issues between the Telco, Power, Cable
companies
and local and state jurisdictional authorities.

And why, when there is a simple cure for power loss caused by all of
this
beside the volcanoes, which is burying the cables, doesn't anyone sue
the
power companies every time the power fails due to weather conditions
which
would not affect buried cables. Last winter we had an ice storm in
Rochester and some people had no power for two weeks. It cost the local
power company millions to put back up the lines and, as I said, it took
two
weeks to restore power to some people.

These costs were probably written off against profits at tax time so it
costs the company nothing.

And nobody sued the power company! Amazing in a country where
successful
suites have been taken out against refrigerator manufacturers for not
telling people not to climb up the door!

What's the point. The cost of lawsuits would just be passed on the the
paying customers by increasing the rates.

Anyone got any ideas on this rather strange situation?

When new developments are built and wired up, everything is usually
buried.
U.S. urban population represents about 80% of the total. Wires are already
likely to be buried in most large urban areas.
http://www.census.gov/prod/2000pubs/p25-1133.pdf

Actually, I've noticed that urban areas are really no better than rural
areas. My own house, for example, has no power poles on the street - no -
they're all in the back yards!

I would have thought a class action against the power companies would have a
fair chance of success, especially if the claimants reduced their claim if
the company agreed to bury the cables. Once the power companies realised
that every time there was a preventable outage they would lose even more
money, it would soon make economical sense to bury the cables. People are
dying because of this situation, and everyone just sits still and takes it.

Actually, I believe that in NY state, where both baphomet and I live, the
price of power is capped, so the compainies wouldn't have the chance to pass
on the cost of the suites to their customers. About other states, I don't
know, but it seems likely that some form of capping is in place in most.

As far as co-ordination between power, telephone and cable is concerned,
they co-ordinate about use of poles, so why not trenches?

And, dare I say it, in light of other sub threads, power failures caused by
extreme weather are much rarer in Europe, because the residential power
lines are all buried. Only high tension lines are above ground and they are
built to take the conditions, which in northern Europe do include ice
storms.

John

 

[Baphomet]

"John Fortier" <jfortier@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:YFPlb.46664$Sc7.28895@twister.nyroc.rr.com...

Super Heavy snip...snip...snip...

However, and this may open up a whole new sub thread, (or can of worms) I
do
have one question which has bugged me every time I've been in the States;
Why, in a country subject to tornadoes, hurricanes, ice storms, blizzards
and, very occasionally, volcanic eruptions, are the power, telephone and
cable TV lines strung up on wooden poles?

Economics. It used used to cost $10,000 (in the '70's) per linear mile just
to string cable. It would probaly cost at least that to bury it...and then
there are the coordination issues between the Telco, Power, Cable companies
and local and state jurisdictional authorities.

And why, when there is a simple cure for power loss caused by all of this
beside the volcanoes, which is burying the cables, doesn't anyone sue the
power companies every time the power fails due to weather conditions which
would not affect buried cables. Last winter we had an ice storm in
Rochester and some people had no power for two weeks. It cost the local
power company millions to put back up the lines and, as I said, it took
two
weeks to restore power to some people.

These costs were probably written off against profits at tax time so it
costs the company nothing.

And nobody sued the power company! Amazing in a country where successful
suites have been taken out against refrigerator manufacturers for not
telling people not to climb up the door!

What's the point. The cost of lawsuits would just be passed on the the
paying customers by increasing the rates.

Anyone got any ideas on this rather strange situation?

When new developments are built and wired up, everything is usually buried.
U.S. urban population represents about 80% of the total. Wires are already
likely to be buried in most large urban areas.
http://www.census.gov/prod/2000pubs/p25-1133.pdf


> John