battery question

[Jeßus]

On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 07:32:03 +1000, "SG1" <Lost@theraces.com> wrote:

"Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> wrote in message
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Only if you think bogans come from Bougainville!

No Bogan City is on the southern outskirts of Brissie.
But it is full of south sea islanders.

I remember it well. It's the white trash that live there that you
really have to look out for.

 

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:54:52 +1000, "SG1" <Lost@theraces.com> wrote:

"Jeßus" <none@all.org> wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 08:53:09 +0800, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

On 24/08/2014 7:45 AM, atec77 wrote:
On 23/08/2014 10:11 PM, Kiddie_Fiddler wrote:
On 28-Ju

Like a vacuum tube?

er no , think schroder valve


Our minister for misinformation and ignorance strikes again... it's a
Schrader valve and no, the venting system on batteries aren't Schrader
valves.

Go easy on him... he's just a Brisbanite.

Is that in the same way folk from Paris are parasites???

Much the same, I suppose.

 

[SG1]

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On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 07:32:03 +1000, "SG1" <Lost@theraces.com> wrote:

"Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> wrote in message
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Only if you think bogans come from Bougainville!

No Bogan City is on the southern outskirts of Brissie.
But it is full of south sea islanders.

I remember it well. It's the white trash that live there that you
really have to look out for.

White trash moved out, they ran out of boot polish so they can't look like
the local yokels.

 

[Damian]

"Damian" <damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:37:07 +1000, Damian wrote:



I don't thnk so. I know it's a mechanical type, reliable valve. I'm not
sure the detials of it.
AGM battery websites most certainly have the details.

The SLA batteries I've examined are just a push on rubber cap over a
pipe. They will release pressure from charging too fast.

Valve regulated deep cycle batteries have valves internally. Excessive
pressurized air get out through the valve and then get used again.
So, it's a constact recycling mechanism.

Terrible grammar and misspelling due to the world's oldest well known oral
neurotoxin effect.

 

[news13]

On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 17:25:43 +1000, SG1 wrote:

Too bad about the lawn being dug up for the firepit though?????
I lived in Slacks Ck in the 80s.

I was once asked to make a spit for roating their pigs by the local lot.
They provided ample pipe and after I made it, we were invited to a couple
of testings. At least they did it in the back yard.

 

[Jeßus]

On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:38:50 +1000, "Damian"
<damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

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On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:37:07 +1000, Damian wrote:



I don't thnk so. I know it's a mechanical type, reliable valve. I'm not
sure the detials of it.
AGM battery websites most certainly have the details.

The SLA batteries I've examined are just a push on rubber cap over a
pipe. They will release pressure from charging too fast.

Valve regulated deep cycle batteries have valves internally. Excessive
pressurized air get out through the valve and then get used again.
So, it's a constact recycling mechanism.

Terrible grammar and misspelling due to the world's oldest well known oral
neurotoxin effect.

Red Bull?

 

[Jeßus]

On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 14:36:15 +1000, "SG1" <Lost@theraces.com> wrote:

"Jeßus" <none@all.org> wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 07:32:03 +1000, "SG1" <Lost@theraces.com> wrote:

"Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> wrote in message
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Only if you think bogans come from Bougainville!

No Bogan City is on the southern outskirts of Brissie.
But it is full of south sea islanders.

I remember it well. It's the white trash that live there that you
really have to look out for.

White trash moved out, they ran out of boot polish so they can't look like
the local yokels.

I lived in Woodridge between 2000-2003. Yeah... can't see myself
getting nostalgic and wanting to revisit there anytime soon.

But seriously, the only problems I had with the locals all happened to
be white trash. Some even tried to break into our villa even while we
were awake... Some of the food smells in the area were to die for
though... islander cooking, not bad.

 

[SG1]

"Jeßus" <none@all.org> wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 14:36:15 +1000, "SG1" <Lost@theraces.com> wrote:


"Jeßus" <none@all.org> wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 07:32:03 +1000, "SG1" <Lost@theraces.com> wrote:

"Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> wrote in message
news:53f9f937$0$29899$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com...
Only if you think bogans come from Bougainville!

No Bogan City is on the southern outskirts of Brissie.
But it is full of south sea islanders.

I remember it well. It's the white trash that live there that you
really have to look out for.

White trash moved out, they ran out of boot polish so they can't look like
the local yokels.

I lived in Woodridge between 2000-2003. Yeah... can't see myself
getting nostalgic and wanting to revisit there anytime soon.

But seriously, the only problems I had with the locals all happened to
be white trash. Some even tried to break into our villa even while we
were awake... Some of the food smells in the area were to die for
though... islander cooking, not bad.

Too bad about the lawn being dug up for the firepit though?????
I lived in Slacks Ck in the 80s.

 

[Clocky]

On 25/08/2014 12:22 AM, Damian wrote:

"Frank Slootweg" <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote in message
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Damian <damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
[...]
Well, when it come st UNIX and Linux, it's directories. When it comes to
Windows, it's 'folders'. Don't have a choice with that all the IT crap I
get
to do at times.

Ah! I see! That's why the command to LiSt folders is called 'dir'!

Well, with the MS-DOS, he didn't have much of a choice. He didn't wanna go
too far and reinvent the wheel, instead he copied from UNIX and similar
stuff.\

MS-DOS had origins from 86-DOS (Which MS purchased and reworked into
PC-DOS/MS-DOS) which was heavily influenced by Digital Research CP/M,
not UNIX.

 

[felix_unger]

On 21-August-2014 10:47 AM, Damian wrote:

"felix_unger" <me@nothere.biz> wrote in message
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On 27-July-2014 12:33 AM, Damian wrote:
"news13" <newsthirteenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 16:32:18 +1000, felix_unger wrote:

the power went off recently, and the UPS protecting the PC, etc.,
failed
to kick in, so I'm guessing that the battery needs replacement, since
it's at least 5 years old- maybe even up to ten years old. (can't
remember when I got it). the battery that's in there now is a YUASA
NP7-12, and it has written on it that's it 'valve regulated'. I could
replace it with the same battery, but generic ones are cheaper, but
they
don't say 'valve regulated', so I'm wondering if that's a necessary
thing or not? what would ppl recommend? ta!
It is just a bog standard SLA (sealed lead acid) battery; a sort of gel
cell.

Replace with cheapest one of the same size that you can get hold of,
IME, they are cactus after two years just sitting there as the continual
standby charging just dries them out and you can not get water back into
them.

They are also pretty much cactus after their first use as the discharge
rate is usually way beyond C/20, which is what it should be for maximum
life cycles.
It's just silly hype. Those sealed little lead acids comes with UPS's are
crap. Good ones are expensice AGMs. I replaced mine with a secondhand
car
battery that was given to me by my auto electrician for nothing.
It's doing far far better than the orginal crap sealed lead acid battery
and
holding upto an hour(instead of just under ten mintues like the built in
sealed battery) when( or if) there's blackout.
my UPS will shut down the PC, so it doesn't need to supply the power for
long
It must be triggering the hybernation via UPS software installed on the PC,
right?

yes. it shuts down the PC via software and a connecting cable to the
serial port

--
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[Rod Speed]

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On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:38:50 +1000, "Damian"
damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> wrote:


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On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:37:07 +1000, Damian wrote:



I don't thnk so. I know it's a mechanical type, reliable valve. I'm
not
sure the detials of it.
AGM battery websites most certainly have the details.

The SLA batteries I've examined are just a push on rubber cap over a
pipe. They will release pressure from charging too fast.

Valve regulated deep cycle batteries have valves internally. Excessive
pressurized air get out through the valve and then get used again.
So, it's a constact recycling mechanism.

Terrible grammar and misspelling due to the world's oldest well known oral
neurotoxin effect.

Red Bull?

Whacky weed.

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2014-08-25, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

MS-DOS had origins from 86-DOS (Which MS purchased and reworked into
PC-DOS/MS-DOS) which was heavily influenced by Digital Research CP/M,
not UNIX.

DOS version 2 was heavily influenced by unix.

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[Clocky]

On 25/08/2014 6:51 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2014-08-25, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

MS-DOS had origins from 86-DOS (Which MS purchased and reworked into
PC-DOS/MS-DOS) which was heavily influenced by Digital Research CP/M,
not UNIX.

DOS version 2 was heavily influenced by unix.

It borrowed some concepts from UNIX but with a very important and
defining differences like installable device drivers.

 

[news13]

On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 00:45:37 +0800, Clocky wrote:

On 25/08/2014 6:51 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2014-08-25, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

MS-DOS had origins from 86-DOS (Which MS purchased and reworked into
PC-DOS/MS-DOS) which was heavily influenced by Digital Research CP/M,
not UNIX.

DOS version 2 was heavily influenced by unix.


It borrowed some concepts from UNIX but with a very important and
defining differences like installable device drivers.

Now that was a great step forward over unix, you had to point to the
device driver and load it on boot up in DOS, whereas unix just loaded the
driver(another file) as and when needed.

 

[Clocky]

On 26/08/2014 11:40 AM, news13 wrote:

On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 00:45:37 +0800, Clocky wrote:

On 25/08/2014 6:51 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2014-08-25, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

MS-DOS had origins from 86-DOS (Which MS purchased and reworked into
PC-DOS/MS-DOS) which was heavily influenced by Digital Research CP/M,
not UNIX.

DOS version 2 was heavily influenced by unix.


It borrowed some concepts from UNIX but with a very important and
defining differences like installable device drivers.

Now that was a great step forward over unix, you had to point to the
device driver and load it on boot up in DOS, whereas unix just loaded the
driver(another file) as and when needed.

Well no, with UNIX you had to recompile to include the driver.

 

[news13]

On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:50:09 +0800, Clocky wrote:

On 26/08/2014 11:40 AM, news13 wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 00:45:37 +0800, Clocky wrote:

On 25/08/2014 6:51 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2014-08-25, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

MS-DOS had origins from 86-DOS (Which MS purchased and reworked into
PC-DOS/MS-DOS) which was heavily influenced by Digital Research
CP/M,
not UNIX.

DOS version 2 was heavily influenced by unix.


It borrowed some concepts from UNIX but with a very important and
defining differences like installable device drivers.

Now that was a great step forward over unix, you had to point to the
device driver and load it on boot up in DOS, whereas unix just loaded
the driver(another file) as and when needed.


Well no, with UNIX you had to recompile to include the driver.

that might explain where you were going wrong.
Unix or Linux?

You could recompile to include it in the kernel in Linux, but it was just
for faster access.

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2014-08-26, news13 <newsthirteenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:

On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:50:09 +0800, Clocky wrote:

On 26/08/2014 11:40 AM, news13 wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 00:45:37 +0800, Clocky wrote:

On 25/08/2014 6:51 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2014-08-25, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

MS-DOS had origins from 86-DOS (Which MS purchased and reworked into
PC-DOS/MS-DOS) which was heavily influenced by Digital Research
CP/M,
not UNIX.

DOS version 2 was heavily influenced by unix.


It borrowed some concepts from UNIX but with a very important and
defining differences like installable device drivers.

Now that was a great step forward over unix, you had to point to the
device driver and load it on boot up in DOS, whereas unix just loaded
the driver(another file) as and when needed.


Well no, with UNIX you had to recompile to include the driver.

that might explain where you were going wrong.
Unix or Linux?

In 1983? You work it out!




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[Frank Slootweg]

Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:

On 2014-08-26, news13 <newsthirteenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:50:09 +0800, Clocky wrote:

On 26/08/2014 11:40 AM, news13 wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 00:45:37 +0800, Clocky wrote:

On 25/08/2014 6:51 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2014-08-25, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

MS-DOS had origins from 86-DOS (Which MS purchased and reworked into
PC-DOS/MS-DOS) which was heavily influenced by Digital Research
CP/M,
not UNIX.

DOS version 2 was heavily influenced by unix.


It borrowed some concepts from UNIX but with a very important and
defining differences like installable device drivers.

Now that was a great step forward over unix, you had to point to the
device driver and load it on boot up in DOS, whereas unix just loaded
the driver(another file) as and when needed.

Well no, with UNIX you had to recompile to include the driver.

that might explain where you were going wrong.
Unix or Linux?

In 1983? You work it out!

Stop nitpicking! His only mistakes were that he didn't say *which*
'unix', said 'unix' when he - apparently - meant 'Linux' and had the
timeframe off by 8 years, that's all!

 

[Clocky]

On 27/08/2014 3:59 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:
On 2014-08-26, news13 <newsthirteenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:50:09 +0800, Clocky wrote:

On 26/08/2014 11:40 AM, news13 wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 00:45:37 +0800, Clocky wrote:

On 25/08/2014 6:51 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2014-08-25, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

MS-DOS had origins from 86-DOS (Which MS purchased and reworked into
PC-DOS/MS-DOS) which was heavily influenced by Digital Research
CP/M,
not UNIX.

DOS version 2 was heavily influenced by unix.


It borrowed some concepts from UNIX but with a very important and
defining differences like installable device drivers.

Now that was a great step forward over unix, you had to point to the
device driver and load it on boot up in DOS, whereas unix just loaded
the driver(another file) as and when needed.

Well no, with UNIX you had to recompile to include the driver.

that might explain where you were going wrong.
Unix or Linux?

In 1983? You work it out!

Stop nitpicking! His only mistakes were that he didn't say *which*
'unix', said 'unix' when he - apparently - meant 'Linux' and had the
timeframe off by 8 years, that's all!

LOL, sigh...

 

[news13]

On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 19:59:27 +0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Well no, with UNIX you had to recompile to include the driver.

that might explain where you were going wrong. Unix or Linux?

In 1983? You work it out!

Stop nitpicking! His only mistakes were that he didn't say *which*
'unix', said 'unix' when he - apparently - meant 'Linux' and had the
timeframe off by 8 years, that's all!

No Frank, I first used Unix in 1974. I know how it worked initially and
why stuff was eventually built into the kernel. Modularity was key point
in Unix. Linux was just a later sideline.

You only needed to recompile stuff if you changed stuff, like hardware,
host or otherwise. Interestingly, you could do that in unix. I don't
remember MS ever sharing source code so you could mix and match.

Of course this was all pre 8088/86 hardware and when they did arive you
used Minux if you wanted a PC unix like os till the 80386 came around and
Linus did his little project.