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Jeßus
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 08:53:09 +0800, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:
Go easy on him... he's just a Brisbanite.
Go easy on him... he's just a Brisbanite.
C
Clocky
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On 24/08/2014 10:47 AM, news13 wrote:
The same way you can choose to power up from those same signals (mouse,
keyboard, network, button).
The point is, hibernation does not consume any more power than shutting
down which puts the PC in the same standby mode.
Hibernation is the same as shutting down in terms of power consumption -
any of those signals can turn on the PC even if it hasn't been hibernated.
The only way to truly switch off the PC is to flick a mains switch
either at the power supply or power point so the PC isn't consuming any
standby power (which to monitor the signal is measured in mere milliwats
anyway)
Hope that makes it clear for the real idiot here who doesn't get it.
The same way you can choose to power up from those same signals (mouse,
keyboard, network, button).
The point is, hibernation does not consume any more power than shutting
down which puts the PC in the same standby mode.
Hibernation is the same as shutting down in terms of power consumption -
any of those signals can turn on the PC even if it hasn't been hibernated.
The only way to truly switch off the PC is to flick a mains switch
either at the power supply or power point so the PC isn't consuming any
standby power (which to monitor the signal is measured in mere milliwats
anyway)
Hope that makes it clear for the real idiot here who doesn't get it.
J
Jeßus
Guest
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 10:01:00 +1000, "SG1" <Lost@theraces.com> wrote:
No, as in there's a small cat in the bottle... sometimes alive,
sometimes dead*
*pedants can get fucked.
"atec77" <"atec77 "@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On 23/08/2014 10:11 PM, Kiddie_Fiddler wrote:
On 28-Ju
so are all these kinds of batteries 'valve regulated', or is that
some
kind of extra safety feature with only some of them? I looked on
the
net
and it seems that 'valve regulated' might just mean the type of
design
of this kind of battery.
It's a venting system.
Ssshhhh! Don't throw logic at Felix; you'll confuse him!
)
It could have been some sort of electronic mechanism.
In Sealed(and non sealed) lead acid batteries, it's a mechanical valve.
Like a vacuum tube?
er no , think schroder valve
As in Lucy's Schoder in peanuts???
No, as in there's a small cat in the bottle... sometimes alive,
sometimes dead*
*pedants can get fucked.
N
news13
Guest
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:37:07 +1000, Damian wrote:
The SLA batteries I've examined are just a push on rubber cap over a
pipe. They will release pressure from charging too fast.
The wet cells seem to just have a convoluted path in the screw in cap or
will pop their push in cap a smidge and vent through slots in the plugs.
The SLA batteries I've examined are just a push on rubber cap over a
pipe. They will release pressure from charging too fast.
The wet cells seem to just have a convoluted path in the screw in cap or
will pop their push in cap a smidge and vent through slots in the plugs.
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Rod Speed
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"news13" <newsthirteenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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Same way to starts up after you shut it down completely,
you just press the power button, stupid.
The ONLY difference is that if it was hibernated
it loads the ram from the hibernate file instead
of doing a full boot.
> Otherwise, it isn't shut down, but in a hibernation mode
It is shut down, it just save the ram to
the hibernate file before it shut down.
> and consuming power while it test if a signal has been received.
Exactly the same amount of power as when its shut down,
because precisely the same signal to start up is used,
the user pressing the fucking power button, stupid.
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Same way to starts up after you shut it down completely,
you just press the power button, stupid.
The ONLY difference is that if it was hibernated
it loads the ram from the hibernate file instead
of doing a full boot.
> Otherwise, it isn't shut down, but in a hibernation mode
It is shut down, it just save the ram to
the hibernate file before it shut down.
> and consuming power while it test if a signal has been received.
Exactly the same amount of power as when its shut down,
because precisely the same signal to start up is used,
the user pressing the fucking power button, stupid.
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Rod Speed
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"Damian" <damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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Nope, the power button, just like with starting after a full shutdown.
> Something closer to sys restore, I think.
Nope, quite different. The contents of ram are saved to the
hibernate file and when its started again by the user pressing
the power button, it just loads the ram from the hibernate file
and starts running again exactly like it had never been hibernated.
Its not needed so much as a useful way to start quicker
than a full boot. With a slower stopping because it does
have to write the contents of ram to the hibernate file
and that takes a while with systems with lots of ram.
news:ltbquu$4sp$1@dont-email.me...
Nope, the power button, just like with starting after a full shutdown.
> Something closer to sys restore, I think.
Nope, quite different. The contents of ram are saved to the
hibernate file and when its started again by the user pressing
the power button, it just loads the ram from the hibernate file
and starts running again exactly like it had never been hibernated.
Its not needed so much as a useful way to start quicker
than a full boot. With a slower stopping because it does
have to write the contents of ram to the hibernate file
and that takes a while with systems with lots of ram.
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Rod Speed
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"Damian" <damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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Nope, just differs a bit on the detail.
But is just as inactive in the sense of not doing
what it normally does when its not hibernating.
It is very close to biological hibernating and
sleep obviously comes from the biological too.
Its got nothing at all to do with that.
news:ltbrb6$6b8$1@dont-email.me...
Nope, just differs a bit on the detail.
But is just as inactive in the sense of not doing
what it normally does when its not hibernating.
I know, I'm confusing my own point here about windows, but that's tthe
truth.
I prefer the "suspend to disk" term, but that's obviously too long, and
Gates hijacked "hibernation" from bears.
It is very close to biological hibernating and
sleep obviously comes from the biological too.
Its got nothing at all to do with that.
J
Jasen Betts
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On 2014-08-24, news13 <newsthirteenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:
once more, for the idiots, you have to plug it in first.
in this respect hibernate is the same as the normal front-panel off
button.
moderm PCs don't go to a full shutdown unless you interrupt the AC
supply (eg, unplug, or a switch on the back) in standby mode the CPU,
RAM and most peripherals are unpowered. only a few things still get
power.
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once more, for the idiots, you have to plug it in first.
in this respect hibernate is the same as the normal front-panel off
button.
moderm PCs don't go to a full shutdown unless you interrupt the AC
supply (eg, unplug, or a switch on the back) in standby mode the CPU,
RAM and most peripherals are unpowered. only a few things still get
power.
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Jasen Betts
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On 2014-08-24, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:
could be several watts.
According to boilerplate on a PSU I have here, standby power is upto
2A at 5VDC (that's including USB devices, and PCI devices that support
"wake on" thing (eg: "lan" or "ring") )
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could be several watts.
According to boilerplate on a PSU I have here, standby power is upto
2A at 5VDC (that's including USB devices, and PCI devices that support
"wake on" thing (eg: "lan" or "ring") )
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Frank Slootweg
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Damian <damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
[...]
Ah! I see! That's why the command to LiSt folders is called 'dir'!
[...]
Ah! I see! That's why the command to LiSt folders is called 'dir'!
C
Clocky
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On 24/08/2014 12:54 PM, SG1 wrote:
Only if you think bogans come from Bougainville!
Only if you think bogans come from Bougainville!
C
Clocky
Guest
On 24/08/2014 12:39 PM, Damian wrote:
Schrader valves aren't a safety valve either.
Think of a plug with a hole in the centre and then a right angle the
core of which tight thick lacky band stretched over the hole. over a
certain amount of pressure it will vent past the lacky, otherwise the
hole is sealed and it's just a cap.
If that makes sense.
Schrader valves aren't a safety valve either.
Think of a plug with a hole in the centre and then a right angle the
core of which tight thick lacky band stretched over the hole. over a
certain amount of pressure it will vent past the lacky, otherwise the
hole is sealed and it's just a cap.
If that makes sense.
C
Clocky
Guest
On 24/08/2014 12:57 PM, Damian wrote:
It's more or less exactly the definition of hibernation.
A bear doesn't wake from hibernation not remembering what the fuck it
was doing last season and it certainly doesn't unplug itself from the
world. It's in standby mode, and it's gonna wake up and resume from
where it's left off - just like a PC waking from hibernation.
Bullshit. You're misinterpreting the meaning of hibernation and it's got
nothing to do with marketing or hijacking.
It's more or less exactly the definition of hibernation.
A bear doesn't wake from hibernation not remembering what the fuck it
was doing last season and it certainly doesn't unplug itself from the
world. It's in standby mode, and it's gonna wake up and resume from
where it's left off - just like a PC waking from hibernation.
I know, I'm confusing my own point here about windows, but that's tthe
truth.
I prefer the "suspend to disk" term, but that's obviously too long, and
Gates hijacked "hibernation" from bears.
He's gota history of prosituting terminology for his marketing purposes
anyway, it's nothing new.
Bullshit. You're misinterpreting the meaning of hibernation and it's got
nothing to do with marketing or hijacking.
C
Clocky
Guest
On 24/08/2014 6:01 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
Could be, but the point is that it's no different between hibernation or
if it's shut down. To the system it's exactly the same - the only
difference is that on wake-up the PC either boots from scratch or it
loads the last snapshot saved to disk if it was hibernated.
Maximum 10 Watts if everything is plugged in, the only way to avoid that
is to pull the plug.
Could be, but the point is that it's no different between hibernation or
if it's shut down. To the system it's exactly the same - the only
difference is that on wake-up the PC either boots from scratch or it
loads the last snapshot saved to disk if it was hibernated.
Maximum 10 Watts if everything is plugged in, the only way to avoid that
is to pull the plug.
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Frank Slootweg
Guest
news13 <newsthirteenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:
Why did you - again - dishonestly and silently snip the answers which
preempt your silly 'questions'?
As Clocky explained - and you - snipped, in hibernation mode, the
system is *not* consuming power (assuming - as Clocky noted - the system
is not connected to power, otherwise the *power-supply/-adapter* and
possibly other components may/will use power). I.e. during hibernation,
the system needs and uses *no* power, until the time you want it to
resume from hibernation. QED.
Moral: When your knowledge is lacking that much, it's unwise to refer
to *others* as 'idiots'.
And before you respond and make yourself look even sillier, *test* it!
Yes 'testing', what a novel concept and - apparently - such a dirty word
for some!
Why did you - again - dishonestly and silently snip the answers which
preempt your silly 'questions'?
As Clocky explained - and you - snipped, in hibernation mode, the
system is *not* consuming power (assuming - as Clocky noted - the system
is not connected to power, otherwise the *power-supply/-adapter* and
possibly other components may/will use power). I.e. during hibernation,
the system needs and uses *no* power, until the time you want it to
resume from hibernation. QED.
Moral: When your knowledge is lacking that much, it's unwise to refer
to *others* as 'idiots'.
And before you respond and make yourself look even sillier, *test* it!
Yes 'testing', what a novel concept and - apparently - such a dirty word
for some!
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Damian
Guest
"news13" <newsthirteenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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Valve regulated deep cycle batteries have valves internally. Excessive
pressurized air get out through the valve and then get used again.
So, it's a constact recycling mechanism.
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Valve regulated deep cycle batteries have valves internally. Excessive
pressurized air get out through the valve and then get used again.
So, it's a constact recycling mechanism.
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Damian
Guest
"Frank Slootweg" <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote in message
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Well, with the MS-DOS, he didn't have much of a choice. He didn't wanna go
too far and reinvent the wheel, instead he copied from UNIX and similar
stuff.\
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Damian <damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
[...]
Well, when it come st UNIX and Linux, it's directories. When it comes to
Windows, it's 'folders'. Don't have a choice with that all the IT crap I
get
to do at times.
Ah! I see! That's why the command to LiSt folders is called 'dir'!
Well, with the MS-DOS, he didn't have much of a choice. He didn't wanna go
too far and reinvent the wheel, instead he copied from UNIX and similar
stuff.\
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Damian
Guest
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Yep, that's a far better explanation.
I think you meant to say "systems *without* lots of ram".
It also depends on the numbe of apps and services running at the time of
hibernation trigger.
I had an incident it stuffed up the windows hibernation when I had too many
apps running. That was with Windows XP.
>
news:c5tkchFl275U1@mid.individual.net...
Yep, that's a far better explanation.
I think you meant to say "systems *without* lots of ram".
It also depends on the numbe of apps and services running at the time of
hibernation trigger.
I had an incident it stuffed up the windows hibernation when I had too many
apps running. That was with Windows XP.
>
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Rod Speed
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"Damian" <damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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Nope. When saving the contents of ram to the hibernation
file, its obviously systems with lots of physical ram that take
longer to do that than those without lots of physical ram.
It certainly depends on what is in ram at that time.
That doesnt happen except when you dont have
enough free disk space to write the hibernate file.
> That was with Windows XP.
It wasnt for that reason.
news:ltd3qr$upq$1@dont-email.me...
Nope. When saving the contents of ram to the hibernation
file, its obviously systems with lots of physical ram that take
longer to do that than those without lots of physical ram.
It certainly depends on what is in ram at that time.
That doesnt happen except when you dont have
enough free disk space to write the hibernate file.
> That was with Windows XP.
It wasnt for that reason.
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SG1
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"Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> wrote in message
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No Bogan City is on the southern outskirts of Brissie.
But it is full of south sea islanders.
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No Bogan City is on the southern outskirts of Brissie.
But it is full of south sea islanders.