Apology on behalf of the United States of America

On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 7:52:15 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 11:34:38 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

2. Accept your loss.

What loss?

The loss is the damage that your 24/7 rage does to your life...
Click to expand...

There's a clear class distinction present here: the lower class thinks of
the future as a month; the middle class thinks of the future as a few years.
An upper class considers generations.

Righteous anger can fuel an upper-class plan that lasts into the century,
or a middle-class plan that prepares for the next election. Only the
lower-class thinking makes an electoral defeat into cause for acceptance.
 
On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 4:39:33 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 10/24/19 1:58 PM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 12:05:39 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 10/24/19 9:27 AM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 1:35:11 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 10/23/19 6:00 PM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 11:44:45 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:6c35fa8c-d27c-44c1-825a-9a5c38bbafc6@googlegroups.com:

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 10:49:34 PM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:c87009b3-25e9-4ec7-a3e3-4b866ab1e8ff@googlegroups.com:

The founders understood
what they were doing. It's worked perfectly fine here and will
continue to do so,

You are such a fucking retard. You have no clue what their
reasons
were. Many still had hooks in slavery.

I see. He who claims to be a Republican is now advancing the
party line of the nuttiest of the libs, that the US was founded on
slavery. Not that it matters, because slavery is irrelevant.








And the reason for it is no longer valid, if it ever was.

Since we see perfectly well that it was not only voters that
got
influenced by foreign players.

What's this newest conspiracy theory? Just like Trump?


And meanwhile, here you are, always bitching about Trump, but you
claim to be a Republican. It's the Republicans, including you,
who continue to support him and enable him. If ten or twenty
percent of the GOP left the party in disgust, like I did, this
insanity would come to an end.


I said nothing about the US being founded on slavery, you stupid,
illiterate fucktard!

You just dragged slavery into the electoral college. That sounds very
much what the lib loons are doing, trying to drag slavery into the
founding of America, claiming that America was founded on slavery.


It wasn't founded on slavery so much as that slavery at the time was
simply a fact of life.

I agree. But some of the screwy libs are claiming that the US was
founded on slavery. And many of them and more want reparations, as if
paying someone today for something from 150 years ago makes any sense.



The good news is that I'm not required to agree with every other liberal
in America on every topic. Some of 'em I don't even like that much. Oh well.

A main issue some of the black people I know have at this point in
history is not about any reparations for distant history it's about when
police shoot and kill an unarmed person (often a black person, but it
happens to other types of people too), or otherwise cause someone in
their custody to die, that is at the very least manslaughter and should
always be treated at such from a legal perspective. it's not "oops we
made a logistical error."

The vast majority of those are not manslaughter. In fact the one that
started the Black Lies Matter movement, the Michael Brown shooting,
was based on lies. The BLM folks portrayed it just like you did above,
an innocent black guy was walking home and an evil white cop shot and
killed him. It was fully investigated by both the state and FBI/DOJ.
Both came to the same conclusions. Brown had just robbed a grocery
store, taking items and assaulting the clerk who tried to stop him.
The cop encountered Brown near the store and called him over to his
car. With the cop still inside the car, Brown assaulted him and tried
to get the cops gun. In the struggle, the gun went off, injuring
Brown. All that is fully supported by forensics. Brown then started
moving away from the car, the cop got out and ordered him to stop.
Instead he turned around and came charging back at the cop, at which
point the cop fired and killed him. Both investigations found the
shooting justified, as it should have been. But that didn't register
with the BLM crowd, the cop is always wrong.

Then there are others where bad things happened, perhaps mistakes were
made, but the person who got shot created the toxic, volatile situation.
Instead of complying, they run away, it's night, the cops can't see
too well, they pursue them, the perp turns around, the cop says he
saw them reaching in their pants or believed he saw a gun,
the cop fired. The mistake there is not
the cop's, it's the dope running, creating the toxic situation.

And finally, yes there are some where the cop clearly screwed up and
fired when they had no reason to do so. An example of that was in SC
I think, where the cop pulled over a black guy for a traffic stop,
the guy ran and the cop pursued him in daylight. There was video
that showed him shooting the guy when the guy was headed away from
him and was no apparent threat. He was tried and I think convicted.

The fact that the BLM crowd refuses to acknowledge the differences
in the above is why they have no credibility. to them, Michael Brown
was still just an unarmed black guy gunned down by a cop.



Suspect fleeing. No gun or weapon anyone ever saw any evidence of:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/24/shooting-an-unarmed-teen-back-head-was-justified-police-said-then-video-emerged/

"Mistakes were made" or an on-the-spot execution by agents of a
tyrannical government. Maybe they'll only ever go after the "bad guys."
One can hope that I guess. Just have faith...
Click to expand...

This is the second type of incident I described, where the perp creates
the toxic, volatile, high risk, potentially deadly environment. And
then bad things happen and they wind up dead. A cop sees him reaching
for his pants, thinks he's going for a gun, shoots him. It turns
out he didn't have a gun. Well, who's fault is all that? The perp,
who instead of complying with police, chose to run. And it's stated
that he was stopped pursuant to a surveillance and was known to
carry weapons. He died from his own actions. And when some jerk
flees like that, they aren't just putting their own lives in jeopardy,
they are putting the lives of cops and civilians in jeopardy.
Suppose they flee across a street, a car swerves and a child dies?
No sympathies here for the dead dope.
 
On 10/25/19 10:31 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 14:51:59 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/24/19 2:04 PM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 12:16:37 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 10/24/19 9:27 AM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 1:35:11 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 10/23/19 6:00 PM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 11:44:45 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:6c35fa8c-d27c-44c1-825a-9a5c38bbafc6@googlegroups.com:

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 10:49:34 PM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:c87009b3-25e9-4ec7-a3e3-4b866ab1e8ff@googlegroups.com:

The founders understood
what they were doing. It's worked perfectly fine here and will
continue to do so,

You are such a fucking retard. You have no clue what their
reasons
were. Many still had hooks in slavery.

I see. He who claims to be a Republican is now advancing the
party line of the nuttiest of the libs, that the US was founded on
slavery. Not that it matters, because slavery is irrelevant.








And the reason for it is no longer valid, if it ever was.

Since we see perfectly well that it was not only voters that
got
influenced by foreign players.

What's this newest conspiracy theory? Just like Trump?


And meanwhile, here you are, always bitching about Trump, but you
claim to be a Republican. It's the Republicans, including you,
who continue to support him and enable him. If ten or twenty
percent of the GOP left the party in disgust, like I did, this
insanity would come to an end.


I said nothing about the US being founded on slavery, you stupid,
illiterate fucktard!

You just dragged slavery into the electoral college. That sounds very
much what the lib loons are doing, trying to drag slavery into the
founding of America, claiming that America was founded on slavery.


It wasn't founded on slavery so much as that slavery at the time was
simply a fact of life.

I agree. But some of the screwy libs are claiming that the US was
founded on slavery. And many of them and more want reparations, as if
paying someone today for something from 150 years ago makes any sense.



The far left "movement" in America, such as it is, is pretty small
compared to some other places in the world.

That sure doesn't seem to be the case when you have twenty something
democrat lefties all running for president and only one more left-center guy,
Biden.

Nobody under 40 likes Biden. The guy is losing it already nearly as bad
as Trump is.


It has a loud voice and says
a lot of provocative things. That's fine with me that's part of the
concept of "freedom" and watching MAGA-types recoil in horror at
statements like "Hey, why don't we just buy all the homeless someplace
to live with taxpayer money?" can be amusing I'll admit. It probably
wouldn't cause the world to end. ohmahgawd they could all live somewhere!!!

Most of what passes for "leftism" here is just milquetoast centrism by
world standards asking stuff like "Hey wouldn't it be a great idea if
everyone had access to good-quality health care at low or no cost."

It's a lot more than that. Andy YinYang wants to give everyone of
legal age $1000 a month. All of the Democrats running favor free
healthcare for illegal aliens. All are in favor of sanctuary cities
and states and an open southern border. There are proposals for
free college education, canceling existing student debt, huge govt
spending with new programs, no plans for how to pay for it. It's
lib loony tunes time here. So loony, they may very well get Trump
re-elected.

Oh well we both think Yang is a loser candidate but for different
reasons, his $1000 UBI program is garbage not because UBI is IMO an
intrinsically bad idea necessarily, but because it comes along with a
10% VAT on all goods and services and at the expense of pretty much
every other government safety-net service for the poor.

$1000/month plus a 10% VAT on _all_ goods and services is a hand-out and
a gut punch simultaneously, to everyone but primarily again, the poor.
They definitely don't need a gut punch to go along with some new
program. $1000/month? Won't even cover housing and utility expenses in
many areas of the country. And as I understand it it's at the expense of
_all_ other social service programs like food stamps. what are they
going to eat, their utility bills?

And I'm perfectly ok with the cash not going to everyone. I don't need
an extra 1k a month give it to someone who does it would be a waste of
my time to even deal with the paperwork.

Having secure housing is a good idea, it's pretty hard to get a job and
work effectively when you're in a constant state of anxiety of whether
you're going to have anywhere to live next month. but Yang's ideas were
dreamed up in a corporate boardroom somewhere he seems to have no on the
ground experience with the destitute.

He's been super-wealthy so long he probably doesn't even know what
things cost anymore. Anyone candidate proposing new social programs of
any type aimed at the poor should at least be able to answer basic
questions about everyday life as a low-income person. What do things
cost. What kind of expenses do those people have. What does say a new
tire cost to replace when one gets a flat, so one can get to work and
not get fired. I doubt he'd be able to answer many of these simple
questions. His ideas are tits on a bull.



Guaranteed minimum income, guaranteed housing, universal medicaire,
and open borders is an interesting combination.
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The first three are guaranteed to make lots of people happy except
billionaires and grumpy right-wingers who hate that people who aren't
them are even allowed to exist without being their personal slaves.

The last one is easily rectifiable by putting the people in the former
two categories who routinely hire illegal immigrants in prison when they
do that.
 
On 10/25/19 11:57 AM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 4:39:33 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 10/24/19 1:58 PM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 12:05:39 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 10/24/19 9:27 AM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 1:35:11 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 10/23/19 6:00 PM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 11:44:45 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:6c35fa8c-d27c-44c1-825a-9a5c38bbafc6@googlegroups.com:

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 10:49:34 PM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:c87009b3-25e9-4ec7-a3e3-4b866ab1e8ff@googlegroups.com:

The founders understood
what they were doing. It's worked perfectly fine here and will
continue to do so,

You are such a fucking retard. You have no clue what their
reasons
were. Many still had hooks in slavery.

I see. He who claims to be a Republican is now advancing the
party line of the nuttiest of the libs, that the US was founded on
slavery. Not that it matters, because slavery is irrelevant.








And the reason for it is no longer valid, if it ever was.

Since we see perfectly well that it was not only voters that
got
influenced by foreign players.

What's this newest conspiracy theory? Just like Trump?


And meanwhile, here you are, always bitching about Trump, but you
claim to be a Republican. It's the Republicans, including you,
who continue to support him and enable him. If ten or twenty
percent of the GOP left the party in disgust, like I did, this
insanity would come to an end.


I said nothing about the US being founded on slavery, you stupid,
illiterate fucktard!

You just dragged slavery into the electoral college. That sounds very
much what the lib loons are doing, trying to drag slavery into the
founding of America, claiming that America was founded on slavery.


It wasn't founded on slavery so much as that slavery at the time was
simply a fact of life.

I agree. But some of the screwy libs are claiming that the US was
founded on slavery. And many of them and more want reparations, as if
paying someone today for something from 150 years ago makes any sense.



The good news is that I'm not required to agree with every other liberal
in America on every topic. Some of 'em I don't even like that much. Oh well.

A main issue some of the black people I know have at this point in
history is not about any reparations for distant history it's about when
police shoot and kill an unarmed person (often a black person, but it
happens to other types of people too), or otherwise cause someone in
their custody to die, that is at the very least manslaughter and should
always be treated at such from a legal perspective. it's not "oops we
made a logistical error."

The vast majority of those are not manslaughter. In fact the one that
started the Black Lies Matter movement, the Michael Brown shooting,
was based on lies. The BLM folks portrayed it just like you did above,
an innocent black guy was walking home and an evil white cop shot and
killed him. It was fully investigated by both the state and FBI/DOJ.
Both came to the same conclusions. Brown had just robbed a grocery
store, taking items and assaulting the clerk who tried to stop him.
The cop encountered Brown near the store and called him over to his
car. With the cop still inside the car, Brown assaulted him and tried
to get the cops gun. In the struggle, the gun went off, injuring
Brown. All that is fully supported by forensics. Brown then started
moving away from the car, the cop got out and ordered him to stop.
Instead he turned around and came charging back at the cop, at which
point the cop fired and killed him. Both investigations found the
shooting justified, as it should have been. But that didn't register
with the BLM crowd, the cop is always wrong.

Then there are others where bad things happened, perhaps mistakes were
made, but the person who got shot created the toxic, volatile situation.
Instead of complying, they run away, it's night, the cops can't see
too well, they pursue them, the perp turns around, the cop says he
saw them reaching in their pants or believed he saw a gun,
the cop fired. The mistake there is not
the cop's, it's the dope running, creating the toxic situation.

And finally, yes there are some where the cop clearly screwed up and
fired when they had no reason to do so. An example of that was in SC
I think, where the cop pulled over a black guy for a traffic stop,
the guy ran and the cop pursued him in daylight. There was video
that showed him shooting the guy when the guy was headed away from
him and was no apparent threat. He was tried and I think convicted.

The fact that the BLM crowd refuses to acknowledge the differences
in the above is why they have no credibility. to them, Michael Brown
was still just an unarmed black guy gunned down by a cop.



Suspect fleeing. No gun or weapon anyone ever saw any evidence of:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/24/shooting-an-unarmed-teen-back-head-was-justified-police-said-then-video-emerged/

"Mistakes were made" or an on-the-spot execution by agents of a
tyrannical government. Maybe they'll only ever go after the "bad guys."
One can hope that I guess. Just have faith...

This is the second type of incident I described, where the perp creates
the toxic, volatile, high risk, potentially deadly environment. And
then bad things happen and they wind up dead. A cop sees him reaching
for his pants, thinks he's going for a gun, shoots him. It turns
out he didn't have a gun. Well, who's fault is all that? The perp,
who instead of complying with police, chose to run. And it's stated
that he was stopped pursuant to a surveillance and was known to
carry weapons. He died from his own actions. And when some jerk
flees like that, they aren't just putting their own lives in jeopardy,
they are putting the lives of cops and civilians in jeopardy.
Suppose they flee across a street, a car swerves and a child dies?
No sympathies here for the dead dope.
Click to expand...

Running from the police isn't intrinsically a capital crime, not in the
much-vaunted Western civilization it isn't. They died from being shot
without due process. All the suppose-they do this or that are just
suppositions the Common Law-derived system, that traces its origin back
to the Magna Carta, has no provision for actions which _may_ occur based
on clairvoyant opinion.

You can have things some other way but then you don't really have
Western civilization anymore you have something more like Sharia law.
They probably shoot people on supposition.

Representative government and the common law system are the crown jewels
of Western civilization's contributions to the world, far more than the
airplane or the electric light bulb so I find it odd sometimes that
people who otherwise seem to be proponents of it often also sometimes
seem ambivalent to religious adherence to its strictures.

That is to say avoiding shooting fleeing or dangerous perps by all
possible means in preference to delivering them alive to a court of law
to answer for their innocent-until-proven-guilty crimes _is_ Western
civilization.
 
On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 10:31:45 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, October 25, 2019 at 1:52:15 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 11:34:38 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

jurb6006@gmail.com wrote in
news:096cf7e8-135c-4a7e-8ac5-a4475d1d9133@googlegroups.com:

I do not apologize. I like what he is doing.

Good for you, you ALSO TOTALLY RETARDED DUMBFUCK.

You got three choices.

You're a goddamned idiot. I have plenty of choices, none of which
are defined by an abject idiot like you.

1. Shut the fuck up.

Eat Shit And Die, child.

2. Accept your loss.

What loss?

The loss is the damage that your 24/7 rage does to your life, rage
about some imagined wrong that you could do nothing about.

Trump's wrongs aren't in the least imaginary, and campaigning to prevent him being re-elected in 2020 is the duty of every US citizen who has enough sense to recognise that Trump is disasterously incompetent.

With any luck the crook will be impeached for his crimes and won't even get to stand, but that would require the Republican Party to recognise that their president is an electoral liability. If they'd had that much sense they wouldn't have nominated him in the first place, or allowed the Tea Party fraction to put up such dismal alternatives.
Click to expand...

Trump has record high approval ratings from his supporters, and he will be reelected in 2020. The Dems with their pathetically weak line-up of freaks for candidates know this, and that's why they're going the impeachment route. They have nothing and will get nowhere.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

John Larkin doesn't have that much sense.
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On 10/25/19 1:36 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 10/25/19 11:57 AM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 4:39:33 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 10/24/19 1:58 PM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 12:05:39 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 10/24/19 9:27 AM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 1:35:11 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 10/23/19 6:00 PM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 11:44:45 AM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:6c35fa8c-d27c-44c1-825a-9a5c38bbafc6@googlegroups.com:

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 10:49:34 PM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:c87009b3-25e9-4ec7-a3e3-4b866ab1e8ff@googlegroups.com:

The founders understood
what they were doing.  It's worked perfectly fine here and will
continue to do so,

      You are such a fucking retard.   You have no clue what
their
      reasons
were.  Many still had hooks in slavery.

I see.  He who claims to be a Republican is now advancing the
party line of the nuttiest of the libs, that the US was
founded on
slavery. Not that it matters, because slavery is irrelevant.








      And the reason for it is no longer valid, if it ever was.

      Since we see perfectly well that it was not only voters
that
      got
influenced by foreign players.

What's this newest conspiracy theory?  Just like Trump?


And meanwhile, here you are, always bitching about Trump, but you
claim to be a Republican.  It's the Republicans, including you,
who continue to support him and enable him.  If ten or twenty
percent of the GOP left the party in disgust, like I did, this
insanity would come to an end.


      I said nothing about the US being founded on slavery, you
stupid,
illiterate fucktard!

You just dragged slavery into the electoral college.  That
sounds very
much what the lib loons are doing, trying to drag slavery into the
founding of America, claiming that America was founded on slavery.


It wasn't founded on slavery so much as that slavery at the time was
simply a fact of life.

I agree.  But some of the screwy libs are claiming that the US was
founded on slavery.  And many of them and more want reparations,
as if
paying someone today for something from 150 years ago makes any
sense.



The good news is that I'm not required to agree with every other
liberal
in America on every topic. Some of 'em I don't even like that much.
Oh well.

A main issue some of the black people I know have at this point in
history is not about any reparations for distant history it's about
when
police shoot and kill an unarmed person (often a black person, but it
happens to other types of people too), or otherwise cause someone in
their custody to die, that is at the very least manslaughter and
should
always be treated at such from a legal perspective. it's not "oops we
made a logistical error."

The vast majority of those are not manslaughter.  In fact the one that
started the Black Lies Matter movement, the Michael Brown shooting,
was based on lies.  The BLM folks portrayed it just like you did above,
an innocent black guy was walking home and an evil white cop shot and
killed him.  It was fully investigated by both the state and FBI/DOJ.
Both came to the same conclusions.  Brown had just robbed a grocery
store, taking items and assaulting the clerk who tried to stop him.
The cop encountered Brown near the store and called him over to his
car.  With the cop still inside the car, Brown assaulted him and tried
to get the cops gun.  In the struggle, the gun went off, injuring
Brown.  All that is fully supported by forensics.  Brown then started
moving away from the car, the cop got out and ordered him to stop.
Instead he turned around and came charging back at the cop, at which
point the cop fired and killed him.  Both investigations found the
shooting justified, as it should have been.  But that didn't register
with the BLM crowd, the cop is always wrong.

Then there are others where bad things happened, perhaps mistakes were
made, but the person who got shot created the toxic, volatile
situation.
Instead of complying, they run away, it's night, the cops can't see
too well, they pursue them, the perp turns around, the cop says he
saw them reaching in their pants or believed he saw a gun,
the cop fired.  The mistake there is not
the cop's, it's the dope running, creating the toxic situation.

And finally, yes there are some where the cop clearly screwed up and
fired when they had no reason to do so.  An example of that was in SC
I think, where the cop pulled over a black guy for a traffic stop,
the guy ran and the cop pursued him in daylight.  There was video
that showed him shooting the guy when the guy was headed away from
him and was no apparent threat.  He was tried and I think convicted.

The fact that the BLM crowd refuses to acknowledge the differences
in the above is why they have no credibility.  to them, Michael Brown
was still just an unarmed black guy gunned down by a cop.



Suspect fleeing. No gun or weapon anyone ever saw any evidence of:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/24/shooting-an-unarmed-teen-back-head-was-justified-police-said-then-video-emerged/


"Mistakes were made" or an on-the-spot execution by agents of a
tyrannical government. Maybe they'll only ever go after the "bad guys."
One can hope that I guess. Just have faith...

This is the second type of incident I described, where the perp creates
the toxic, volatile, high risk, potentially deadly environment.  And
then bad things happen and they wind up dead.  A cop sees him reaching
for his pants, thinks he's going for a gun, shoots him.  It turns
out he didn't have a gun.  Well, who's fault is all that?  The perp,
who instead of complying with police, chose to run.  And it's stated
that he was stopped pursuant to a surveillance and was known to
carry weapons.   He died from his own actions.  And when some jerk
flees like that, they aren't just putting their own lives in jeopardy,
they are putting the lives of cops and civilians in jeopardy.
Suppose they flee across a street, a car swerves and a child dies?
No sympathies here for the dead dope.


Running from the police isn't intrinsically a capital crime, not in the
much-vaunted Western civilization it isn't. They died from being shot
without due process. All the suppose-they do this or that are just
suppositions the Common Law-derived system, that traces its origin back
to the Magna Carta, has no provision for actions which _may_ occur based
on clairvoyant opinion.

You can have things some other way but then you don't really have
Western civilization anymore you have something more like Sharia law.
They probably shoot people on supposition.

Representative government and the common law system are the crown jewels
of Western civilization's contributions to the world, far more than the
airplane or the electric light bulb so I find it odd sometimes that
people who otherwise seem to be proponents of it often also sometimes
seem ambivalent to religious adherence to its strictures.

That is to say avoiding shooting fleeing or dangerous perps by all
possible means in preference to delivering them alive to a court of law
to answer for their innocent-until-proven-guilty crimes _is_ Western
civilization.
Click to expand...

Even Osama Bin Laden deserved a trial. It would have likely been a
predictable one, but he deserved one.
 
On 10/25/19 1:40 PM, bitrex wrote:

He's been super-wealthy so long he probably doesn't even know what
things cost anymore. Anyone candidate proposing new social programs of
any type aimed at the poor should at least be able to answer basic
questions about everyday life as a low-income person. What do things
cost. What kind of expenses do those people have. What does say a new
tire cost to replace when one gets a flat, so one can get to work and
not get fired. I doubt he'd be able to answer many of these simple
questions. His ideas are tits on a bull.



Guaranteed minimum income, guaranteed housing, universal medicaire,
and open borders is an interesting combination.




The first three are guaranteed to make lots of people happy except
billionaires and grumpy right-wingers who hate that people who aren't
them are even allowed to exist without being their personal slaves.

The last one is easily rectifiable by putting the people in the former
two categories who routinely hire illegal immigrants in prison when they
do that.
Click to expand...

That is to say those two categories seem to believe the services they
provide are so valuable that the world will miss them.

I wouldn't count on it, John Galt.
 
On 10/24/19 11:30 PM, gray_wolf wrote:
On 10/24/2019 9:52 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 11:34:38 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

jurb6006@gmail.com wrote in
news:096cf7e8-135c-4a7e-8ac5-a4475d1d9133@googlegroups.com:

I do not apologize. I like what he is doing.

  Good for you, you ALSO TOTALLY RETARDED DUMBFUCK.

You got three choices.

  You're a goddamned idiot.  I have plenty of choices, none of which
are defined by an abject idiot like you.

1. Shut the fuck up.

  Eat Shit And Die, child.

2. Accept your loss.

  What loss?

The loss is the damage that your 24/7 rage does to your life, rage
about some imagined wrong that you could do nothing about.


There are people I've known 20 years of more that I thought had good sense.
Some were professional people like lawyers, judges, business types and
such.
They piss and moan about trump while believing that obama and hillary were
saints. I seriously wonder if they are terminally stupid or hard core
communists.
I know a couple of flat earthers one's a school teacher. But the seem to
have a
moral sense of right and wrong.

Some are so rabid I won't associate with them.
Click to expand...

Sometimes I just tell senior citizens who I find annoying/burdensome
"Yeah I'm a communist, I love Hillary! I'm an illegal immigrant, too!"
so they'll go away and not ask me to fix their computer anymore.
 
On 10/25/19 2:17 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
gray_wolf <g_wolf@howling_mad.com> wrote in
news:Q%tsF.27815$kV2.4914@fx22.iad:

They piss and moan about trump while believing that obama and
hillary were saints.

I state things about Trump which are true. It is not pissing and
moaning, you retarded piece of shit. It is mere valid observation.

Oh and no one said a goddamned thing about ANY previous
administration, dipshit.

This ain't about them, this is about TRUMP, and only Trump you STUPID
FUCK!
Click to expand...

"Some are so rabid I won't associate with them."

A man doesn't realize that was their intent. "Thank fuck", they said.
 
On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 10:53:30 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 10:31:45 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, October 25, 2019 at 1:52:15 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 11:34:38 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

jurb6006@gmail.com wrote in
news:096cf7e8-135c-4a7e-8ac5-a4475d1d9133@googlegroups.com:

I do not apologize. I like what he is doing.

Good for you, you ALSO TOTALLY RETARDED DUMBFUCK.

You got three choices.

You're a goddamned idiot. I have plenty of choices, none of which
are defined by an abject idiot like you.

1. Shut the fuck up.

Eat Shit And Die, child.

2. Accept your loss.

What loss?

The loss is the damage that your 24/7 rage does to your life, rage
about some imagined wrong that you could do nothing about.

Trump's wrongs aren't in the least imaginary, and campaigning to prevent him being re-elected in 2020 is the duty of every US citizen who has enough sense to recognise that Trump is disasterously incompetent.

With any luck the crook will be impeached for his crimes and won't even get to stand, but that would require the Republican Party to recognise that their president is an electoral liability. If they'd had that much sense they wouldn't have nominated him in the first place, or allowed the Tea Party fraction to put up such dismal alternatives.

Trump has record high approval ratings from his supporters, and he will be reelected in 2020. The Dems with their pathetically weak line-up of freaks for candidates know this, and that's why they're going the impeachment route. They have nothing and will get nowhere.
Click to expand...

Yes, the Dems think and say that unless they impeach him (but not
convict him), they will lose the next election to him.

Trump makes mostly sensible decisions, but he is often a public
embarrassment... which is not a crime.

What's shocking is the crowd of ancient criminals and lunatics that
the Dems have available to run against him. Tulsi Gabbard is at least
sane, but is, by good authority, a Russian asset. And not crazy enough
to get the nomination anyhow.

Tribalism is sure a mess.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
 
On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 13:40:56 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/25/19 10:31 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 14:51:59 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/24/19 2:04 PM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 12:16:37 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 10/24/19 9:27 AM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 1:35:11 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 10/23/19 6:00 PM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 11:44:45 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:6c35fa8c-d27c-44c1-825a-9a5c38bbafc6@googlegroups.com:

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 10:49:34 PM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:c87009b3-25e9-4ec7-a3e3-4b866ab1e8ff@googlegroups.com:

The founders understood
what they were doing. It's worked perfectly fine here and will
continue to do so,

You are such a fucking retard. You have no clue what their
reasons
were. Many still had hooks in slavery.

I see. He who claims to be a Republican is now advancing the
party line of the nuttiest of the libs, that the US was founded on
slavery. Not that it matters, because slavery is irrelevant.








And the reason for it is no longer valid, if it ever was.

Since we see perfectly well that it was not only voters that
got
influenced by foreign players.

What's this newest conspiracy theory? Just like Trump?


And meanwhile, here you are, always bitching about Trump, but you
claim to be a Republican. It's the Republicans, including you,
who continue to support him and enable him. If ten or twenty
percent of the GOP left the party in disgust, like I did, this
insanity would come to an end.


I said nothing about the US being founded on slavery, you stupid,
illiterate fucktard!

You just dragged slavery into the electoral college. That sounds very
much what the lib loons are doing, trying to drag slavery into the
founding of America, claiming that America was founded on slavery.


It wasn't founded on slavery so much as that slavery at the time was
simply a fact of life.

I agree. But some of the screwy libs are claiming that the US was
founded on slavery. And many of them and more want reparations, as if
paying someone today for something from 150 years ago makes any sense.



The far left "movement" in America, such as it is, is pretty small
compared to some other places in the world.

That sure doesn't seem to be the case when you have twenty something
democrat lefties all running for president and only one more left-center guy,
Biden.

Nobody under 40 likes Biden. The guy is losing it already nearly as bad
as Trump is.


It has a loud voice and says
a lot of provocative things. That's fine with me that's part of the
concept of "freedom" and watching MAGA-types recoil in horror at
statements like "Hey, why don't we just buy all the homeless someplace
to live with taxpayer money?" can be amusing I'll admit. It probably
wouldn't cause the world to end. ohmahgawd they could all live somewhere!!!

Most of what passes for "leftism" here is just milquetoast centrism by
world standards asking stuff like "Hey wouldn't it be a great idea if
everyone had access to good-quality health care at low or no cost."

It's a lot more than that. Andy YinYang wants to give everyone of
legal age $1000 a month. All of the Democrats running favor free
healthcare for illegal aliens. All are in favor of sanctuary cities
and states and an open southern border. There are proposals for
free college education, canceling existing student debt, huge govt
spending with new programs, no plans for how to pay for it. It's
lib loony tunes time here. So loony, they may very well get Trump
re-elected.

Oh well we both think Yang is a loser candidate but for different
reasons, his $1000 UBI program is garbage not because UBI is IMO an
intrinsically bad idea necessarily, but because it comes along with a
10% VAT on all goods and services and at the expense of pretty much
every other government safety-net service for the poor.

$1000/month plus a 10% VAT on _all_ goods and services is a hand-out and
a gut punch simultaneously, to everyone but primarily again, the poor.
They definitely don't need a gut punch to go along with some new
program. $1000/month? Won't even cover housing and utility expenses in
many areas of the country. And as I understand it it's at the expense of
_all_ other social service programs like food stamps. what are they
going to eat, their utility bills?

And I'm perfectly ok with the cash not going to everyone. I don't need
an extra 1k a month give it to someone who does it would be a waste of
my time to even deal with the paperwork.

Having secure housing is a good idea, it's pretty hard to get a job and
work effectively when you're in a constant state of anxiety of whether
you're going to have anywhere to live next month. but Yang's ideas were
dreamed up in a corporate boardroom somewhere he seems to have no on the
ground experience with the destitute.

He's been super-wealthy so long he probably doesn't even know what
things cost anymore. Anyone candidate proposing new social programs of
any type aimed at the poor should at least be able to answer basic
questions about everyday life as a low-income person. What do things
cost. What kind of expenses do those people have. What does say a new
tire cost to replace when one gets a flat, so one can get to work and
not get fired. I doubt he'd be able to answer many of these simple
questions. His ideas are tits on a bull.



Guaranteed minimum income, guaranteed housing, universal medicaire,
and open borders is an interesting combination.




The first three are guaranteed to make lots of people happy except
billionaires and grumpy right-wingers who hate that people who aren't
them are even allowed to exist without being their personal slaves.
Click to expand...

There are about 700 billionaires in the USA. Their wealth is mostly
stock shares. Their net economic influence is mostly the jealousy they
inspire.

Imagine taxing their wealth to pay everyone a minimum income. That
would crash the stock market, and pay the guaranteed minimum for
roughly a year. Where does the money come from next?

The last one is easily rectifiable by putting the people in the former
two categories who routinely hire illegal immigrants in prison when they
do that.
Click to expand...

Yeah, put all the farmers in prison. Print food just like you print
money.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
 
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:sf56re5gmr1ldd75qsuotiqnvcr5km747v@4ax.com:

On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 17:51:18 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:uge3relh4farnddfudu2n521gt5p1qe6o8@4ax.com:

the damage that your 24/7 rage does to your life

I am in no rage, dipshit.

I'd love to rage on your face with a blackjack though.

Remember those?

That's exactly the point.
Click to expand...

You made no point, dipshit. Yet another reason folks dislike you.
You tout total bullshit as fact.

> You are so angry,

Invalid, incorrect observation. WAKE UP!


over stuff that you can
easily ignore, that you want to kill people.
Click to expand...

Never ever said a damned thing about killing anyone.

You can do useful, interesting, fun stuff, or you can be angry and
frustrated for the rest of your short life on earth.
Click to expand...

I do useful, interesting 'things'. My 'short life' is quite
sufficient for me. Whatever God gives, I get. Including whatever
fucked up lesson I am supposed to learn by tolerating twerps like
you.
 
On Friday, October 25, 2019 at 9:12:30 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 08:57:55 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

There's a clear class distinction present here: the lower class thinks of
the future as a month; the middle class thinks of the future as a few years.
An upper class considers generations.

That doesn't explain the many rich people who are alcoholics and
druggies, and who squander the family fortunes.
Click to expand...

Nor is it intended to. A person who squanders the family fortunes is NOT upper-class,
as proven by his behavior. Class is not defined by 'rich'.

When Charles IV of Spain sent off the Balmis expedition of vaccination in 1803, he was fostering
the health of future generations in many Spanish colonies. That's an upper-class
project, with results far beyond an individual lifetime. It's a good 'un.
 
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote in news:fbb2abf6-4434-4d16-a149-
235bd80b89fd@googlegroups.com:

> and he will be reelected in 2020.

Donald J. Trump will be Impeached by 2020 or Impeached in 2020.

Either way, the jackass is going down, and THEN he'll get prosecuted
criminally as well.

Trump 2020 20 years at GITMO for 20 Plus convictions.

Then other members of the Trump family need to be prosecuted.

Then Guiliani.

They all need to roast their asses off there for a few years.
 
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote in news:fbb2abf6-4434-4d16-a149-
235bd80b89fd@googlegroups.com:

> Trump has record high approval ratings from his supporters,

That has to be one of the most retarded statements you have ever made.

IOW, NO SHIT, DIP TRACY.

What 'SUPPORTER' would NOT support?

I did not think it was possible to be dumber than a standard
Trumpanzee retatard. You must be a Trumpanzee Shaman. A true sub-
standard of the sub-standard.

Bwuahahahahhahaa!
 
On 10/25/19 3:03 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 13:40:56 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/25/19 10:31 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 14:51:59 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/24/19 2:04 PM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 12:16:37 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 10/24/19 9:27 AM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 1:35:11 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 10/23/19 6:00 PM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 11:44:45 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:6c35fa8c-d27c-44c1-825a-9a5c38bbafc6@googlegroups.com:

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 10:49:34 PM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:c87009b3-25e9-4ec7-a3e3-4b866ab1e8ff@googlegroups.com:

The founders understood
what they were doing. It's worked perfectly fine here and will
continue to do so,

You are such a fucking retard. You have no clue what their
reasons
were. Many still had hooks in slavery.

I see. He who claims to be a Republican is now advancing the
party line of the nuttiest of the libs, that the US was founded on
slavery. Not that it matters, because slavery is irrelevant.








And the reason for it is no longer valid, if it ever was.

Since we see perfectly well that it was not only voters that
got
influenced by foreign players.

What's this newest conspiracy theory? Just like Trump?


And meanwhile, here you are, always bitching about Trump, but you
claim to be a Republican. It's the Republicans, including you,
who continue to support him and enable him. If ten or twenty
percent of the GOP left the party in disgust, like I did, this
insanity would come to an end.


I said nothing about the US being founded on slavery, you stupid,
illiterate fucktard!

You just dragged slavery into the electoral college. That sounds very
much what the lib loons are doing, trying to drag slavery into the
founding of America, claiming that America was founded on slavery.


It wasn't founded on slavery so much as that slavery at the time was
simply a fact of life.

I agree. But some of the screwy libs are claiming that the US was
founded on slavery. And many of them and more want reparations, as if
paying someone today for something from 150 years ago makes any sense.



The far left "movement" in America, such as it is, is pretty small
compared to some other places in the world.

That sure doesn't seem to be the case when you have twenty something
democrat lefties all running for president and only one more left-center guy,
Biden.

Nobody under 40 likes Biden. The guy is losing it already nearly as bad
as Trump is.


It has a loud voice and says
a lot of provocative things. That's fine with me that's part of the
concept of "freedom" and watching MAGA-types recoil in horror at
statements like "Hey, why don't we just buy all the homeless someplace
to live with taxpayer money?" can be amusing I'll admit. It probably
wouldn't cause the world to end. ohmahgawd they could all live somewhere!!!

Most of what passes for "leftism" here is just milquetoast centrism by
world standards asking stuff like "Hey wouldn't it be a great idea if
everyone had access to good-quality health care at low or no cost."

It's a lot more than that. Andy YinYang wants to give everyone of
legal age $1000 a month. All of the Democrats running favor free
healthcare for illegal aliens. All are in favor of sanctuary cities
and states and an open southern border. There are proposals for
free college education, canceling existing student debt, huge govt
spending with new programs, no plans for how to pay for it. It's
lib loony tunes time here. So loony, they may very well get Trump
re-elected.

Oh well we both think Yang is a loser candidate but for different
reasons, his $1000 UBI program is garbage not because UBI is IMO an
intrinsically bad idea necessarily, but because it comes along with a
10% VAT on all goods and services and at the expense of pretty much
every other government safety-net service for the poor.

$1000/month plus a 10% VAT on _all_ goods and services is a hand-out and
a gut punch simultaneously, to everyone but primarily again, the poor.
They definitely don't need a gut punch to go along with some new
program. $1000/month? Won't even cover housing and utility expenses in
many areas of the country. And as I understand it it's at the expense of
_all_ other social service programs like food stamps. what are they
going to eat, their utility bills?

And I'm perfectly ok with the cash not going to everyone. I don't need
an extra 1k a month give it to someone who does it would be a waste of
my time to even deal with the paperwork.

Having secure housing is a good idea, it's pretty hard to get a job and
work effectively when you're in a constant state of anxiety of whether
you're going to have anywhere to live next month. but Yang's ideas were
dreamed up in a corporate boardroom somewhere he seems to have no on the
ground experience with the destitute.

He's been super-wealthy so long he probably doesn't even know what
things cost anymore. Anyone candidate proposing new social programs of
any type aimed at the poor should at least be able to answer basic
questions about everyday life as a low-income person. What do things
cost. What kind of expenses do those people have. What does say a new
tire cost to replace when one gets a flat, so one can get to work and
not get fired. I doubt he'd be able to answer many of these simple
questions. His ideas are tits on a bull.



Guaranteed minimum income, guaranteed housing, universal medicaire,
and open borders is an interesting combination.




The first three are guaranteed to make lots of people happy except
billionaires and grumpy right-wingers who hate that people who aren't
them are even allowed to exist without being their personal slaves.

There are about 700 billionaires in the USA. Their wealth is mostly
stock shares. Their net economic influence is mostly the jealousy they
inspire.
Click to expand...

What would any one person do with such a ludicrous amount of money? Most
people couldn't even conceptualize how much a billion is relative to
figures encountered in more pedestrian life, much less be jealous of
that specific figure.

Imagine taxing their wealth to pay everyone a minimum income. That
would crash the stock market, and pay the guaranteed minimum for
roughly a year. Where does the money come from next?
Click to expand...

Spending only as much as the top half of countries in the world on
defense, rather than more than every country in the world combined,
seems like a plausible option.

The last one is easily rectifiable by putting the people in the former
two categories who routinely hire illegal immigrants in prison when they
do that.

Yeah, put all the farmers in prison. Print food just like you print
money.
Click to expand...

The market will surely adjust to the absence of some farmers or farm
business owners who commit crimes - as if being a True Patriot with
politics in congruence with yours is some requirement to grow food and
sell it. people everywhere grow food and sell it and have been doing so
successfully for ten thousand years it's a popular product.
 
On 10/25/19 7:13 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 18:41:04 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/25/19 3:03 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 13:40:56 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/25/19 10:31 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 14:51:59 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/24/19 2:04 PM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 12:16:37 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 10/24/19 9:27 AM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 1:35:11 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 10/23/19 6:00 PM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 11:44:45 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:6c35fa8c-d27c-44c1-825a-9a5c38bbafc6@googlegroups.com:

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 10:49:34 PM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:c87009b3-25e9-4ec7-a3e3-4b866ab1e8ff@googlegroups.com:

The founders understood
what they were doing. It's worked perfectly fine here and will
continue to do so,

You are such a fucking retard. You have no clue what their
reasons
were. Many still had hooks in slavery.

I see. He who claims to be a Republican is now advancing the
party line of the nuttiest of the libs, that the US was founded on
slavery. Not that it matters, because slavery is irrelevant.








And the reason for it is no longer valid, if it ever was.

Since we see perfectly well that it was not only voters that
got
influenced by foreign players.

What's this newest conspiracy theory? Just like Trump?


And meanwhile, here you are, always bitching about Trump, but you
claim to be a Republican. It's the Republicans, including you,
who continue to support him and enable him. If ten or twenty
percent of the GOP left the party in disgust, like I did, this
insanity would come to an end.


I said nothing about the US being founded on slavery, you stupid,
illiterate fucktard!

You just dragged slavery into the electoral college. That sounds very
much what the lib loons are doing, trying to drag slavery into the
founding of America, claiming that America was founded on slavery.


It wasn't founded on slavery so much as that slavery at the time was
simply a fact of life.

I agree. But some of the screwy libs are claiming that the US was
founded on slavery. And many of them and more want reparations, as if
paying someone today for something from 150 years ago makes any sense.



The far left "movement" in America, such as it is, is pretty small
compared to some other places in the world.

That sure doesn't seem to be the case when you have twenty something
democrat lefties all running for president and only one more left-center guy,
Biden.

Nobody under 40 likes Biden. The guy is losing it already nearly as bad
as Trump is.


It has a loud voice and says
a lot of provocative things. That's fine with me that's part of the
concept of "freedom" and watching MAGA-types recoil in horror at
statements like "Hey, why don't we just buy all the homeless someplace
to live with taxpayer money?" can be amusing I'll admit. It probably
wouldn't cause the world to end. ohmahgawd they could all live somewhere!!!

Most of what passes for "leftism" here is just milquetoast centrism by
world standards asking stuff like "Hey wouldn't it be a great idea if
everyone had access to good-quality health care at low or no cost."

It's a lot more than that. Andy YinYang wants to give everyone of
legal age $1000 a month. All of the Democrats running favor free
healthcare for illegal aliens. All are in favor of sanctuary cities
and states and an open southern border. There are proposals for
free college education, canceling existing student debt, huge govt
spending with new programs, no plans for how to pay for it. It's
lib loony tunes time here. So loony, they may very well get Trump
re-elected.

Oh well we both think Yang is a loser candidate but for different
reasons, his $1000 UBI program is garbage not because UBI is IMO an
intrinsically bad idea necessarily, but because it comes along with a
10% VAT on all goods and services and at the expense of pretty much
every other government safety-net service for the poor.

$1000/month plus a 10% VAT on _all_ goods and services is a hand-out and
a gut punch simultaneously, to everyone but primarily again, the poor.
They definitely don't need a gut punch to go along with some new
program. $1000/month? Won't even cover housing and utility expenses in
many areas of the country. And as I understand it it's at the expense of
_all_ other social service programs like food stamps. what are they
going to eat, their utility bills?

And I'm perfectly ok with the cash not going to everyone. I don't need
an extra 1k a month give it to someone who does it would be a waste of
my time to even deal with the paperwork.

Having secure housing is a good idea, it's pretty hard to get a job and
work effectively when you're in a constant state of anxiety of whether
you're going to have anywhere to live next month. but Yang's ideas were
dreamed up in a corporate boardroom somewhere he seems to have no on the
ground experience with the destitute.

He's been super-wealthy so long he probably doesn't even know what
things cost anymore. Anyone candidate proposing new social programs of
any type aimed at the poor should at least be able to answer basic
questions about everyday life as a low-income person. What do things
cost. What kind of expenses do those people have. What does say a new
tire cost to replace when one gets a flat, so one can get to work and
not get fired. I doubt he'd be able to answer many of these simple
questions. His ideas are tits on a bull.



Guaranteed minimum income, guaranteed housing, universal medicaire,
and open borders is an interesting combination.




The first three are guaranteed to make lots of people happy except
billionaires and grumpy right-wingers who hate that people who aren't
them are even allowed to exist without being their personal slaves.

There are about 700 billionaires in the USA. Their wealth is mostly
stock shares. Their net economic influence is mostly the jealousy they
inspire.

What would any one person do with such a ludicrous amount of money?

Billionaires don't have "money." They mostly have stock shares.

Most
people couldn't even conceptualize how much a billion is relative to
figures encountered in more pedestrian life, much less be jealous of
that specific figure.

There is plenty of jealousy.

If I give $1000 a month to a few people, they will mostly be better
off. If I give the same to 300 million people, they will mostly be
worse off.

Money is just pieces of paper, like stock shares.
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If the world's ultra-wealthy were content to sit around and do whatever
it is they do in one of their 20 fabulous homes or toodle about the seas
on their garish yachts all their lives I don't think there'd be much
"jealousy" over their lives. Most people would hardly notice them.
Sounds dreadful, frankly.

As a general rule that's not what they limit themselves to. They expect
to have power also, in proportion to their bankrolls.

Imagine taxing their wealth to pay everyone a minimum income. That
would crash the stock market, and pay the guaranteed minimum for
roughly a year. Where does the money come from next?

Spending only as much as the top half of countries in the world on
defense, rather than more than every country in the world combined,
seems like a plausible option.

Agreed, we should not be spending trillions to keep up bases all
around the world. Let the europeans pay for as much defense as they
want.
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On Saturday, October 26, 2019 at 1:32:00 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 14:51:59 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/24/19 2:04 PM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 12:16:37 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 10/24/19 9:27 AM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 1:35:11 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 10/23/19 6:00 PM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 11:44:45 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux....@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:6c35fa8c-d27c-44c1-825a-9a5c38bbafc6@googlegroups.com:

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 10:49:34 PM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:c87009b3-25e9-4ec7-a3e3-4b866ab1e8ff@googlegroups.com:
Click to expand...

<snip>

Guaranteed minimum income, guaranteed housing, universal medicaire,
and open borders is an interesting combination.
Click to expand...

It would be, if anybody were silly enough to propose it.

The mindless right sees any attempt to treat refugees humanely (and give genuine refugees the treatment that the UN recommends) as being soft on illegal immigrants, and thinks that anything less aggressive than their feral brutality consitutes offering open borders.

But nobody is ever going to get John Larkin to think about the implications of the ideas that he parrots.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On 10/25/19 7:07 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
lørdag den 26. oktober 2019 kl. 00.41.10 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:

Spending only as much as the top half of countries in the world on
defense, rather than more than every country in the world combined,
seems like a plausible option.

how much of that budget is really stuff other countries also do they just
don't put it don't he military budget to avoid being called socialist?

like creating jobs on regions that have nothing else to do, give someone
a free education
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You mean the United States? Officially the US only spends as much on
defense as the next 5 superpowers combined or somesuch, on stuff like
logistics costs, supplies, hardware, and payroll.

The way you get to the more-than-everyone figure is by counting
tangential costs like you mention, yes. Every defense expenditure the US
makes is definitely not listed in the DoD budget. but the tangentials
are still defense expenditures, not fooling anyone.
 
On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 21:50:51 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote in news:fbb2abf6-4434-4d16-a149-
235bd80b89fd@googlegroups.com:

and he will be reelected in 2020.

Donald J. Trump will be Impeached by 2020 or Impeached in 2020.
Click to expand...

Maybe impeached in the House. Certainly not convicted in the Senate.
Impeachment will probably help him, as it did Clinton.

Either way, the jackass is going down, and THEN he'll get prosecuted
criminally as well.
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Pence can pardon him. It has been done, you know.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
 
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