Anti-gun lobby displaying it's ignorance again.

[Michael A. Terrell]

"David L. Jones" wrote:

Thomas wrote:
You people truely disgust me.

Ever heard of freedom of speech?

Freedom of speech is not a licence to allow the distribution of
malicous, demonstrably untrue claims about any group in society. It's
designed to ensure that differing opinions are heard.

Wanker Wilson posted his assertion that American gun dealers were
using gunshows to ignore the requirements of GCA-68 and sell guns to
criminals on aus.electronics.

You people said nothing.

Wanker Wilson posted his claims about DGU's in America on
aus.electronics.

You people said nothing.

That's because he did not start the thread, he was clearly not aiming at
aus.electronics and was simply keeping the cross-posted thread going as
originally posted.

But when something is posted pointing out that zealots like Wanker
Wilson often get their facts wrong, you lot start whingeing about
cross-posting.

So, you're not prepared to challenge Wanker Wilson about his off-topic
posts, but quite prepared to challenge John?

Correct, but you've missed the entire point, massively.
Most of us here on aus.electronics do not care about guns or chat about guns
and have never had to put up with talk about guns on this group.
It is only until "John-Melb" posted *two* *new* threads about guns to
aus.electronics that I and others started to complain.
I had no real problems with the OT "Stun gun" thread turning into gun talk,
I simply ignored it, threads drift off-topic, that happens.

I was willing to let John-Melb's first deliberate aus.electronics OT gun
post fly, but when he posted yet another new thread and started showing a
trend of including aus.electronics as a cross post in *new* threads, that's
when I complained - and rightly so.
Remove aus.electronics from your cross-post list, please, we don't want this
on our group.

David, you can't reason with these kinds of people. Set up a proxy
server and drop anything crossposted to any gun group, or politivcal
group. Then you'll never see anything, no atter who posts it, or how
often they change their nym.


http://improve-usenet.org/


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[Thomas]

You people truely disgust me.

Ever heard of freedom of speech?

Freedom of speech is not a licence to allow the distribution of
malicous, demonstrably untrue claims about any group in society. It's
designed to ensure that differing opinions are heard.

Wanker Wilson posted his assertion that American gun dealers were
using gunshows to ignore the requirements of GCA-68 and sell guns to
criminals on aus.electronics.

You people said nothing.

Wanker Wilson posted his claims about DGU's in America on
aus.electronics.

You people said nothing.

But when something is posted pointing out that zealots like Wanker
Wilson often get their facts wrong, you lot start whingeing about
cross-posting.

So, you're not prepared to challenge Wanker Wilson about his off-topic
posts, but quite prepared to challenge John?

John Crook, President of Gun Control Australiaonce described the
debate over firearms ownership in this country as "The Australian Gun
War". I've got news for you lot, your decision to take sides means
you're no longer innocent bystanders, but active combatants.

But then, you probably already knew that.

 

[David L. Jones]

Thomas wrote:

No, Dave, I haven't missed the point at all. Wilson has previously
used other electronics/music groups to launch tirades about guns and
gun owners, you didn't have to "put up" with gun talk on your group
until Wilson used your group as a means to make an unsubstantiated
attack against American gun dealers. As John has posted before, he
"chose the field".

Please show me one post Trevor has *started* in aus.electronics about guns.
Like I said, I can't ever recall that he has. I might be wrong about that,
but I doubt it.

I was willing to let John-Melb's first deliberate aus.electronics OT
gun post fly, but when he posted yet another new thread and started
showing a trend of including aus.electronics as a cross post in
*new* threads, that's when I complained - and rightly so.

Your complaints were unreasonable because you didn't complain about
Wilson posting on the same subject.

But Trevor didn't *start* a thread in aus.electronics about guns, that's my
point!
"John-Melb" started *two* of them, that's why I complained.
What part of that complaint is unreasonable?
If I came into aus.politics.guns (or whatever is your main group) and
started threads about electronics or something else OT, I'd likely be
politely told to leave. Don't expect anything different here.

Look at the claims Wilson made about gun dealers, but replace the
words "gun dealer" with the word "nigger" or "Jew", get the picture?
Would a differing opinion still be "off topic"? Many gun owners are
sick and tired of the blaming and vilification they receive at the
hands of zealot's like Wilson, you seem to think his vilification on
"your" group is OK, but a differing opinion is not.

You don't get it, I don't care about that stuff.
All I care about is people starting OT topics like that in aus.electronics.
"John-Melb" started two of them, that's why I spoke up after I let the first
one slide.

Regards
Dave.
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[David L. Jones]

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

David, you can't reason with these kinds of people. Set up a proxy
server and drop anything crossposted to any gun group, or politivcal
group. Then you'll never see anything, no atter who posts it, or how
often they change their nym.

I know, just trying to knock it on the head now for the benefit of all on
aus.electronics.

Dave.

--
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http://www.alternatezone.com/eevblog/

 

[Thomas]

On Jul 6, 2:42 pm, "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thomas wrote:
You people truely disgust me.

Ever heard of freedom of speech?

Freedom of speech is not a licence to allow the distribution of
malicous, demonstrably untrue claims about any group in society. It's
designed to ensure that differing opinions are heard.

Wanker Wilson posted his assertion that American gun dealers were
using gunshows to ignore the requirements of GCA-68 and sell guns to
criminals on aus.electronics.

You people said nothing.

Wanker Wilson posted his claims about DGU's in America on
aus.electronics.

You people said nothing.

That's because he did not start the thread, he was clearly not aiming at
aus.electronics and was simply keeping the cross-posted thread going as
originally posted.

But when something is posted pointing out that zealots like Wanker
Wilson often get their facts wrong, you lot start whingeing about
cross-posting.

So, you're not prepared to challenge Wanker Wilson about his off-topic
posts, but quite prepared to challenge John?

Correct, but you've missed the entire point, massively.
Most of us here on aus.electronics do not care about guns or chat about guns
and have never had to put up with talk about guns on this group.
It is only until "John-Melb" posted *two* *new* threads about guns to
aus.electronics that I and others started to complain.
I had no real problems with the OT "Stun gun" thread turning into gun talk,
I simply ignored it, threads drift off-topic, that happens.

No, Dave, I haven't missed the point at all. Wilson has previously

used other electronics/music groups to launch tirades about guns and
gun owners, you didn't have to "put up" with gun talk on your group
until Wilson used your group as a means to make an unsubstantiated
attack against American gun dealers. As John has posted before, he
"chose the field". You seem to think Wilson making his unsubstantiated
remarks about licenced gun dealers on "your" group is OK, but a
differing opinion is not. That's your opinion and your entitled to it,
don't expect me or others to like or respect it.

Tell me, if someone was making unsubstantiated remarks, designed to
display your way of life, or a group within society which you
considered yourself a member, in a poor light on another group,
particularly when this person had a history of doing so in the past,
would you remain silent?

I was willing to let John-Melb's first deliberate aus.electronics OT gun
post fly, but when he posted yet another new thread and started showing a
trend of including aus.electronics as a cross post in *new* threads, that's
when I complained - and rightly so.

Your complaints were unreasonable because you didn't complain about
Wilson posting on the same subject.

Look at the claims Wilson made about gun dealers, but replace the
words "gun dealer" with the word "nigger" or "Jew", get the picture?
Would a differing opinion still be "off topic"? Many gun owners are
sick and tired of the blaming and vilification they receive at the
hands of zealot's like Wilson, you seem to think his vilification on
"your" group is OK, but a differing opinion is not.

Remove aus.electronics from your cross-post list, please, we don't want this
on our group.

Regards.
Dave.

 

[David L. Jones]

Thomas wrote:

On Jul 6, 4:28 pm, "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote:

You don't get it, I don't care about that stuff.
All I care about is people starting OT topics like that in
aus.electronics. "John-Melb" started two of them, that's why I spoke
up after I let the first one slide.

Regards
Dave.

You don't get it, I do, I don't care if he started the thread or used
a thread already started, he used aus.electronics to launch an attack
at gun ownership, as he done previously through rec.audio.opinion and
aus.hi-fi.

There is a big difference between starting a thread and simply responding to
a cross-posted one that's already started and goes a bit OT. Shame you can't
see that.

You've made it clear, in your opinion and on "your" group, Wilson's
rants are OK but John's replies are not.

If Trevor *starts* threads like this on on aus.electronics then I'll give
him the same serve, you can bet on that. He hasn't, so I have nothing
against Trevor at all. In fact he's a very long standing member of this
group, one of the highest (on-topic) posters.

I can't think of anything else you've got to say that I want to hear.

That's ok, stay away from aus.electronics and you won't hear from me. That's
the beauty of these seperate specific usenet groups which John-Melb sort to
disrupt. This is what I'm defending, shame you don't think the same way.

Regards
Dave.

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[keithr]

Thomas wrote:

On Jul 6, 4:28 pm, "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote:

You don't get it, I don't care about that stuff.
All I care about is people starting OT topics like that in aus.electronics.
"John-Melb" started two of them, that's why I spoke up after I let the first
one slide.

Regards
Dave.

You don't get it, I do, I don't care if he started the thread or used
a thread already started, he used aus.electronics to launch an attack
at gun ownership, as he done previously through rec.audio.opinion and
aus.hi-fi.

You've made it clear, in your opinion and on "your" group, Wilson's
rants are OK but John's replies are not.

I can't think of anything else you've got to say that I want to hear.

How old are you? You sound like my kids did when they were 9 "She
started it" "He was looking at me".

Trevor has posted useful stuff here, he is welcome (as long as he keeps
his gun opinions where they belong. You and your mate john haven't so
you're not (unless you have something relevant to electronic)

 

[Thomas]

On Jul 6, 4:28 pm, "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote:

You don't get it, I don't care about that stuff.
All I care about is people starting OT topics like that in aus.electronics.
"John-Melb" started two of them, that's why I spoke up after I let the first
one slide.

Regards
Dave.

You don't get it, I do, I don't care if he started the thread or used
a thread already started, he used aus.electronics to launch an attack
at gun ownership, as he done previously through rec.audio.opinion and
aus.hi-fi.

You've made it clear, in your opinion and on "your" group, Wilson's
rants are OK but John's replies are not.

I can't think of anything else you've got to say that I want to hear.

 

[Thomas]

On Jul 6, 4:40 pm, "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
  David, you can't reason with these kinds of people. Set up a proxy
server and drop anything crossposted to any gun group, or politivcal
group.  Then you'll never see anything, no atter who posts it, or how
often they change their nym.

I know, just trying to knock it on the head now for the benefit of all on
aus.electronics.

Dave.

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Then talk to Wilson

 

[Thomas]

On Jul 6, 6:11 pm, "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thomas wrote:
On Jul 6, 4:28 pm, "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote:

You don't get it, I don't care about that stuff.
All I care about is people starting OT topics like that in
aus.electronics. "John-Melb" started two of them, that's why I spoke
up after I let the first one slide.

Regards
Dave.

You don't get it, I do, I don't care if he started the thread or used
a thread already started, he used aus.electronics to launch an attack
at gun ownership, as he done previously through rec.audio.opinion and
aus.hi-fi.

There is a big difference between starting a thread and simply responding to
a cross-posted one that's already started and goes a bit OT. Shame you can't
see that.

You've made it clear, in your opinion and on "your" group, Wilson's
rants are OK but John's replies are not.

If Trevor *starts* threads like this on on aus.electronics then I'll give
him the same serve, you can bet on that. He hasn't, so I have nothing
against Trevor at all. In fact he's a very long standing member of this
group, one of the highest (on-topic) posters.

I can't think of anything else you've got to say that I want to hear.

That's ok, stay away from aus.electronics and you won't hear from me. That's
the beauty of these seperate specific usenet groups which John-Melb sort to
disrupt. This is what I'm defending, shame you don't think the same way.

I can see well what you're defending.

While Trevor's posting his rants about guns and gun owners, you can
bet I won't be too far away.

Regards
Dave.

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[John - Melb]

On Jul 6, 2:16 pm, Thomas <recalcitrant_redn...@hotmail.com> wrote:

You people truely disgust me.

Ever heard of freedom of speech?

Freedom of speech is not a licence to allow the distribution of
malicous, demonstrably untrue claims about any group in society. It's
designed to ensure that differing opinions are heard.

Wanker Wilson posted his assertion that American gun dealers were
using gunshows to ignore the requirements of GCA-68 and sell guns to
criminals on aus.electronics.

You people said nothing.

Wanker Wilson posted his claims about DGU's in America on
aus.electronics.

You people said nothing.

But when something is posted pointing out that zealots like Wanker
Wilson often get their facts wrong, you lot start whingeing about
cross-posting.

So, you're not prepared to challenge Wanker Wilson about his off-topic
posts, but quite prepared to challenge John?

John Crook, President of Gun Control Australiaonce described the
debate over firearms ownership in this country as "The Australian Gun
War". I've got news for you lot, your decision to take sides means
you're no longer innocent bystanders, but active combatants.

But then, you probably already knew that.

Thank you Tom, you've put it far better than I could have.

 

[John - Melb]

On Jul 6, 7:24 pm, keithr <ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:

How old are you? You sound like my kids did when they were 9 "She
started it" "He was looking at me".

45 last birthday, Yep, he started it, and I'll be around until it's
finished.

Trevor has posted useful stuff here, he is welcome (as long as he keeps
his gun opinions where they belong. You and your mate john haven't so
you're not (unless you have something relevant to electronic)-

Bingo! I don't care what Trevor has to say about electronics, "as long
as he keeps his gun opinions where they belong", unfortunately he
hasn't, he's used aus.electronics to launch another tirade about guns
and gun owners. Other posters seem to think that's OK, I don't. Other
posters seem to think I and others shouldn't have right of reply on
the same forum, I do.

Trevor launched his rant, my replies have demonstrated
a) Trevor has a history of telling porkies on firearms related
matters, when he gets spanked for doing so on gun related groups, he
scurries away to other groups, hoping that no-one there will know
enough about the subject to challenge him; and;
b) anti-gun zealots like Trevor often have no idea what they're
talking about on the subject of firearms, and simply rely on community
fear and ignorance.

Like Tommy, while Trevor continues to use off topic groups to
diseminate misleading information about guns and gun owners among the
wider community, I wont be far away.

Like it or lump it, either way, I'm past caring

 

[John - Melb]

On Jul 6, 9:00 pm, keithr <ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:

John - Melb wrote:
On Jul 6, 2:16 pm, Thomas <recalcitrant_redn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You people truely disgust me.

Ever heard of freedom of speech?

Freedom of speech is not a licence to allow the distribution of
malicous, demonstrably untrue claims about any group in society. It's
designed to ensure that differing opinions are heard.

Wanker Wilson posted his assertion that American gun dealers were
using gunshows to ignore the requirements of GCA-68 and sell guns to
criminals on aus.electronics.

You people said nothing.

Wanker Wilson posted his claims about DGU's in America on
aus.electronics.

You people said nothing.

But when something is posted pointing out that zealots like Wanker
Wilson often get their facts wrong, you lot start whingeing about
cross-posting.

So, you're not prepared to challenge Wanker Wilson about his off-topic
posts, but quite prepared to challenge John?

John Crook, President of Gun Control Australiaonce described the
debate over firearms ownership in this country as "The Australian Gun
War". I've got news for you lot, your decision to take sides means
you're no longer innocent bystanders, but active combatants.

But then, you probably already knew that.

Thank you Tom, you've put it far better than I could have.

Well thats quite an admission

I'm glad you're enjoying it.

 

[John - Melb]

On Jul 6, 8:58 pm, keithr <ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:

John - Melb wrote:
On Jul 6, 7:24 pm, keithr <ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:

How old are you? You sound like my kids did when they were 9 "She
started it" "He was looking at me".

45 last birthday, Yep, he started it, and I'll be around until it's
finished.

Trevor has posted useful stuff here, he is welcome (as long as he keeps
his gun opinions where they belong. You and your mate john haven't so
you're not (unless you have something relevant to electronic)-

Bingo! I don't care what Trevor has to say about electronics, "as long
as he keeps his gun opinions where they belong", unfortunately he
hasn't, he's used aus.electronics to launch another tirade about guns
and gun owners. Other posters seem to think that's OK, I don't. Other
posters seem to think I and others shouldn't have right of reply on
the same forum, I do.

What makes you think that you have a "Right of reply" in a totally
disinterested forum? If you were walking past some-one's house an heard
them expressing opinions contrary to yours, do you think that you would
have the right to go in and give your "Right to reply"?

We're not in someone's house, the comments have been "broadcasted" if
you like, on a public forum.

I understand that some of you believe Trevor has the right to post
whatever lies he likes aboiut guns and gun owners on aus.electronics,
like his claims about gun dealers using gunshows to avoid complying
with GCA 68 and selling guns to criminals, and any contrary opinion
has no right to be heard here, I don't agree with you.

This forum has been used to diseminate misleading assertions about
guns and gun owners.

Trevor launched his rant, my replies have demonstrated
a) Trevor has a history of telling porkies on firearms related
matters, when he gets spanked for doing so on gun related groups, he
scurries away to other groups, hoping that no-one there will know
enough about the subject to challenge him; and;
b) anti-gun zealots like Trevor often have no idea what they're
talking about on the subject of firearms, and simply rely on community
fear and ignorance.

Like Tommy, while Trevor continues to use off topic groups to
diseminate misleading information about guns and gun owners among the
wider community, I wont be far away.

Like it or lump it, either way, I'm past caring

So why are you telling us this then? Why not just go back to
politics.guns or wherever you came from and tell people who care?

Because Trevors spreading his lies HERE!-

 

[John - Melb]

On Jul 5, 10:39 pm, "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote:

He was simply reply to the thread you started when you cross-posted it here
for no good reason.
Trevor is one of the longest standing posters to aus.electronics, and I
can't say I ever remember him talking about guns on this group, except when
you started and cross posted these threads for no good reason.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Jun 18, 3:40 pm, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
wrote:

**Oh yeah: Two more things:

* If I was to crosspost (which I never do) I would never involve those
psychopaths in the talk.politics.guns group with normal humans.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Er? you were saying?

"normal humans"?

 

[regn.pickford]

"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
news:ui94m.10834$Kn1.3656@newsfe09.iad...

regn.pickford wrote:
"Dennis" <dennis@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:4a50ad82$0$2832$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
The vast majority in aus.electronics don't really care. Lets not trash
our working ng's by crossposting irrelevant topics.


You're on record as having asked **Trevor not to post OT ?

Ob on topic component

When is a fuse, not a fuse?

When it's amp rating is too high.

When other components have a lower rating?

 

[John - Melb]

On Jul 6, 6:30 am, "regn.pickford" <r...@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:

"Dennis" <den...@nowhere.com> wrote in message

news:4a50ad82$0$2832$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...



The vast majority in aus.electronics don't really care. Lets not trash our
working ng's by crossposting irrelevant topics.

You're on record as having asked **Trevor not to post OT ?

Of course not, what a silly question, Trevor's one of their long
standing and most venerated posters

Ob on topic component

When is a fuse, not a fuse?

 

[John - Melb]

On Jul 6, 3:53 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

   David, you can't reason with these kinds of people. Set up a proxy
server and drop anything crossposted to any gun group, or politivcal
group.  Then you'll never see anything, no atter who posts it, or how
often they change their nym.

Yep, that's right, you can't reason with "these people", 'cos we're
just rednecks, aren't Michael?

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Thomas wrote:

On Jul 7, 8:59 am, keithr <ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:
John - Melb wrote:
On Jul 6, 3:53 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net
wrote:

David, you can't reason with these kinds of people. Set up a proxy
server and drop anything crossposted to any gun group, or politivcal
group. Then you'll never see anything, no atter who posts it, or how
often they change their nym.

Yep, that's right, you can't reason with "these people", 'cos we're
just rednecks, aren't Michael?

nope it's just that some of them are fanatics, you can reason with rednecks.

ROFLMAO

Obviously John has confused 'dead from the neck up' ' with 'redneck'.


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[Thomas]

On Jul 7, 8:57 am, keithr <ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:

John - Melb wrote:
On Jul 6, 8:58 pm, keithr <ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:
John - Melb wrote:
On Jul 6, 7:24 pm, keithr <ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:
How old are you? You sound like my kids did when they were 9 "She
started it" "He was looking at me".
45 last birthday, Yep, he started it, and I'll be around until it's
finished.
Trevor has posted useful stuff here, he is welcome (as long as he keeps
his gun opinions where they belong. You and your mate john haven't so
you're not (unless you have something relevant to electronic)-
Bingo! I don't care what Trevor has to say about electronics, "as long
as he keeps his gun opinions where they belong", unfortunately he
hasn't, he's used aus.electronics to launch another tirade about guns
and gun owners. Other posters seem to think that's OK, I don't. Other
posters seem to think I and others shouldn't have right of reply on
the same forum, I do.
What makes you think that you have a "Right of reply" in a totally
disinterested forum? If you were walking past some-one's house an heard
them expressing opinions contrary to yours, do you think that you would
have the right to go in and give your "Right to reply"?

We're not in someone's house, the comments have been "broadcasted" if
you like, on a public forum.

I understand that some of you believe Trevor has the right to post
whatever lies he likes aboiut guns and gun owners on aus.electronics,
like his claims about gun dealers using gunshows to avoid complying
with GCA 68 and selling guns to criminals, and any contrary opinion
has no right to be heard here, I don't agree with you.

This forum has been used to diseminate misleading assertions about
guns and gun owners.

Trevor launched his rant, my replies have demonstrated
a) Trevor has a history of telling porkies on firearms related
matters, when he gets spanked for doing so on gun related groups, he
scurries away to other groups, hoping that no-one there will know
enough about the subject to challenge him; and;
b) anti-gun zealots like Trevor often have no idea what they're
talking about on the subject of firearms, and simply rely on community
fear and ignorance.
Like Tommy, while Trevor continues to use off topic groups to
diseminate misleading information about guns and gun owners among the
wider community, I wont be far away.
Like it or lump it, either way, I'm past caring
So why are you telling us this then? Why not just go back to
politics.guns or wherever you came from and tell people who care?

Because Trevors spreading his lies HERE!-

So answer him HERE! Just stop spreading your arguments where they aren't
wanted.

But it's OK for Trevor to spread his assertions on the subject here?

AFAIK aus.politics.guns was created to discuss the politics of gun
ownership in Australia, aus.electronics was not. 99% of the followers of
that forum are about as interested in the endless arguments over gun
ownership as 99% of those here are interested in the finer points of
electronic design, so what gives you the "Right" to impose your
arguments there

The same right's Trevor's got to spread his misinformation about US
gun dealers, DGU's and the "psychopaths in the talk.politics.guns
group"