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Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote in
news:XnsAE779C309CF91idtokenpost@144.76.35.252:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

[...]

Our water company adds limestone or something to protect the
pipes. The water supply here is naturally a bit acidic.

We have copper pipes in the residences, but I don\'t know if the
city supply uses copper, pvc or abs.

Limestone is Calcium carbonate, CaCO3.

This leaves a white film all over everything in an ultrasonic
humidifier.

A boiling water steamer leaves the calcium on the heating element.

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07GQ2CF4T/

The calcium is removed by boiling a small amount of vinegar in the
chamber.

Calcium carbonate : CaCO3
Vinegar (acetic acid) : CH3COOH
Calcium acetate : Ca(CH3COO)2
Water : H2O
Carbon Dioxide : CO2

CaCO3(s) + 2CH3COOH(l) --> Ca(CH3COO)2(s) + H2O(l) + CO2(g)

And \"Zero Water\" filter gets it all before you place it into your
cooking appliances. My water pot gets no calcifications

 

[Joe Gwinn]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 10:14:19 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Mike Monett wrote:
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Mike Monett wrote:
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

[...]

I have an ancient (1960-vintage) DeVilbiss mains-powered vapourizer
that we use when somebody has a lower-respiratory bug. It\'s a glass
jar holding a gallon or so, and a Bakelite lid containing two plated
steel electrodes that get dunked into the water. They\'re covered by a
Bakelite cylinder with a hole in the bottom, and the steam from the
boiling water gets directed out a hole in the top.

The steam production can be regulated with a little bit of borax in
the water if needed. (Salt works but eventually eats the electrodes.)

Simple, works great, no moving parts, no Legionnaire\'s disease or lime
dust on the rug. Cheap on eBay. Good Medicine.

It does heat the room a little bit, but not enough to worry about.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

How long does it take to evaporate a gallon?

[...]


I seached EBay and found one that seems to be like it. The shipping from
the States was $50, which is outrageous and I refuse to pay.

There are some for cheaper.


I found a steamer at Amazon. It has a small chamber with a heating element

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07GQ2CF4T/

It\'s US $90 (if the website converts, as many do), shipping included.

The calcium appears to stay in the water and attaches to the element, just
like in an electric kettle. Boiling vinegar for a few minutes should clean
it out. I\'ll try your trick of turning power off before the chamber is
empty.

The nice thing about the DeVilbiss 145 is that the water is heated by
passing AC through it (the electrodes are directly connected to the
mains), so that happens automatically.

I very rarely need to use it for more than a week at a time, so I\'ve
never had it crud up on me. Dunno what it\'s like in continual use.

The problem with this method is trying to control the output. It claims to
be able to adjust the output to give 24 hrs of run time. This would make it
identical to my ultrasonic mister, which keeps the humidity at 40%, which
is perfect.

Thanks very much for your post and helpful reply. Hopefully this will get
rid of the fine coating all over everything.

Not to mention all the mould spores and Legionella.

Yes. I just ordered an old DeVbliss 145 on ebay for about US $68,
including shipping. Looks to be in perfect condition.

Someone listed the relevant patent, US 2,818,486, which is mainly
about the inventors discovering that nickel-free stainless steel
lasted basically forever, unlike far more expensive kinds of stainless
steel.

The modern alloy equivalent is Type 430, which McMaster sells for
small dollars. It is soft and easily cut with tinsnips. (Series 200
and 300 alloys will corrode badly in this application.)

It would be easy the duplicate the patent using glass-epoxy PWB sheets
glued together with slow-cure epoxy, like Araldite or Hankel\'s
equivalent in the US, Loctite slow cure, enclosed in a polypropylene
container of some kind.

Joe Gwinn

 

[amdx]

On 4/12/2022 1:31 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in
news:4573f2a6-4b30-fd71-1cc3-e477d328f6cc@electrooptical.net:

Are you sure the transducer isn\'t focused?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
Are not piezo wafers all quite flat?

It could be frequency tuned to respond best at a specific depth.

Transducers are fairly high Q devices and capacitive, you generally need
a series inductor to tune them. Although I think some circuits actually
use the
L and transducer C for tuning and use a power oscillator. So they will
oscillate at the
correct frequency for a replaced transducer, within reason.
              Mikek

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[amdx]

On 4/12/2022 2:03 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in
news:4573f2a6-4b30-fd71-1cc3-e477d328f6cc@electrooptical.net:

Are you sure the transducer isn\'t focused?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Are not piezo wafers all quite flat?

   It could be frequency tuned to respond best at a specific depth.


Focused transducers are pretty common in applications--dunno if
they\'re used in super low-end stuff like vapourizers.

Cranking up the power doesn\'t help so much if you\'re just causing
cavitation at a submerged acoustic focus.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

 Somewhere, I have an interesting curve showing the power required to
cause cavitation in water.

I found the graph.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/07dgqxafqbm4f8x/Cavitation%20paint.jpg?dl=0
Note: Cavitation threshold is dependent on whether the water is degassed
or not.

At low Ultrasonic frequencies it takes little power to get cavitation
(on or near the faceplate), but as you move up
to several hundred Kilohertz it takes much more power. When I first
started with the company, they used
transducers around 400kHz, but shortly changed to 620kHz. As I mention
we pulsed a 2\" PZT 8 ceramic disk,
epoxied to a 1/16\" aluminum faceplate with 1000 watts and didn\'t have
cavitation on the faceplate.
We did have a reflector that would focus the beam to a point and we
would get a fuzzy cottony looking
area that made a hissing sound. We could also melt plastic in an ice
water bath.
 Transducer held up under power, heat was the problem, so our
transducer was run in an ice bath with an FEP Teflon window
separating the Fluid under test from the Ice Bath. One of our customers
found PTFE Teflon windows caused failed experiments.
 He was killing e.coli in milk and was getting high kill rates, then
had a tear in his Teflon window, he got some new Teflon windows (PTFE)
and could not get his high kill rates again. Lots of phone calls before
that was solved, because we didn\'t know either.
                                    Mikek


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[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 15:42:42 +0100, <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 12 Apr 22 11:12:14 UTC, Randy Patzkowski <randyp@redacted.org
wrote:

On 4/11/2022 7:50:37 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 11 Apr 22 23:41:37 UTC, Randy Patzkowski <randyp@redacted.org
wrote:

On 4/11/2022 10:31:33 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Don\'t ultrasonic humidifiers cause mineral deposition nearby? Maybe
not if one uses good distilled water.

Last October I installed an Aprilaire 500M whole house humidifier on our furnace and plumbed it in to the reverse osmosis water system.
Checked the water evaporator panel this spring and it still looked brand new.

Does it literally evaporate the water?

Yes

Is there any unused water
discharged?


Yes, approximately one drop per second exits the drain tube when the furnace blower is on and the humidistat is calling for more humidity.

Makes sense; that\'s where the minerals exit.

We need minerals.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 2:34:26 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 15:42:42 +0100, <jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 22 11:12:14 UTC, Randy Patzkowski <ran...@redacted.org> wrote:
On 4/11/2022 7:50:37 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 11 Apr 22 23:41:37 UTC, Randy Patzkowski <ran...@redacted.org> wrote:
On 4/11/2022 10:31:33 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Don\'t ultrasonic humidifiers cause mineral deposition nearby? Maybe not if one uses good distilled water.

Ultra sonic humidifiers are badly named. They are mist generators, and the humidification comes after the mist evaporates, leaving any minerals in the water that formed the mist hanging in the air as fine dust.

Last October I installed an Aprilaire 500M whole house humidifier on our furnace and plumbed it in to the reverse osmosis water system.
Checked the water evaporator panel this spring and it still looked brand new.

Does it literally evaporate the water?

Yes

Is there any unused water discharged?

Yes, approximately one drop per second exits the drain tube when the furnace blower is on and the humidistat is calling for more humidity.

Makes sense; that\'s where the minerals exit.

We need minerals.

And we\'d be delighted if somebody delivered a life-time supply to you, all at once, from a great height. Enough to ensure that you weren\'t ever going to need any more, and would never feel the need to post about it again.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2022-04-12, Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

[...]

Our water company adds limestone or something to protect the pipes.
The water supply here is naturally a bit acidic.

We have copper pipes in the residences, but I don\'t know if the city supply
uses copper, pvc or abs.

More likely polyethylene, iron, lead, asbestos, or even wood.

--
Jasen.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 17:38:03 +0100, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 12/04/2022 05:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 17:33:52 +0100, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 11/04/2022 16:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 16:17:15 +0100, <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 15:53:04 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 15:47:19 +0100, Arie de Muijnck
eternal.september@ademu.com> wrote:

On 2022-04-11 16:31, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Don\'t ultrasonic humidifiers cause mineral deposition nearby? Maybe
not if one uses good distilled water.

Yes, they do, extensively.

I had the environment covered in a fine dust within weeks.

Even stranger, in the kitchen at the other end of the apartment, gas
flames became orange/red, see for a test:
https://ademu.home.xs4all.nl/Humidifier/Ultrasonic-humidifier-effect-on-gas-flame.mp4



So, after I edited that shit to remove the pointless <>, I find some
idiot putting damp air into a gas flame, what was your point?

My mistake for assuming that you could be nudged into civilized
behavior.

So, you wanted to nudge me into not using what I was asking about how to
make work. Not very helpful are you?

And it\'s spelled behaviour, with a U. American isn\'t a language.

There is a pattern here: nasty people are rarely, maybe never, any
good at electronics.

And you\'re the one that edited my subject to some bollocks or other.
I\'m guessing you\'re a troll and I should engage my killfile?

Remind us, who was the idiot who posted to non-uk newsgroups?

What\'s wrong with posting to non-uk newsgroups?

It is only wrong if you criticise spelling indigenous to another country.

The language is English, it\'s only indigenous to England.

Do you think US
citizens don\'t use humidifiers?

The only troll here is one who\'s too lazy to work and seeks attention.

Too ill to work.

That is what lazy people claim.

Just because the \"science\" we call medicine can\'t name and cure a disease doesn\'t mean it doesn\'t exist.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/chronic-fatigue-syndrome-cfs/

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 17:55:42 +0100, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 21:06:34 +0100, Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:

Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

[...]

I have an ancient (1960-vintage) DeVilbiss mains-powered vapourizer that
we use when somebody has a lower-respiratory bug. It\'s a glass jar
holding a gallon or so, and a Bakelite lid containing two plated steel
electrodes that get dunked into the water. They\'re covered by a
Bakelite cylinder with a hole in the bottom, and the steam from the
boiling water gets directed out a hole in the top.

The steam production can be regulated with a little bit of borax in the
water if needed. (Salt works but eventually eats the electrodes.)

Simple, works great, no moving parts, no Legionnaire\'s disease or lime
dust on the rug. Cheap on eBay. Good Medicine.

It does heat the room a little bit, but not enough to worry about.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

How long does it take to evaporate a gallon?

My ultrasonic mister takes about 24 hrs to evaporate 4 litres, which is
1.06 gallons. This raises the humidity from 20% to 40% and stops the
chapped lips and sore sinuses. The white film that covers everything is
harmless and is a small price to pay, but I wonder if a steamer could
do as
well.

It would increase the temperature, so you\'d then need to use AC which
would remove the humidity!

Not a big problem in the parts of Canada that are very dry in the winter.

Dry and cold don\'t go together well. Cold always means 100% RH.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 18:18:46 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 06:02:30 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 00:41:37 +0100, Randy Patzkowski <randyp@redacted.org> wrote:

On 4/11/2022 10:31:33 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Don\'t ultrasonic humidifiers cause mineral deposition nearby? Maybe
not if one uses good distilled water.

Last October I installed an Aprilaire 500M whole house humidifier on our furnace and plumbed it in to the reverse osmosis water system.
Checked the water evaporator panel this spring and it still looked brand new.

WTF is a \"reverse osmosis water system\"?

Ask Mister Google!

Not interested, just wondering why anyone needs anything so complicated.

And I use Duckduckgo so I don\'t get traced.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 5:02:42 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 17:38:03 +0100, Fredxx <fre...@spam.uk> wrote:
On 12/04/2022 05:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 17:33:52 +0100, Fredxx <fre...@spam.uk> wrote:
On 11/04/2022 16:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 16:17:15 +0100, <jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 15:53:04 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 15:47:19 +0100, Arie de Muijnck <eternal....@ademu.com> wrote:
On 2022-04-11 16:31, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

<snip>

Just because the \"science\" we call medicine can\'t name and cure a disease doesn\'t mean it doesn\'t exist.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/chronic-fatigue-syndrome-cfs/

Naming a disease is easy. It\'s the first step in identifying the disease - or more frequently a group of diseases with similar symptoms. Curing any particular disease can be a lot harder, and some of them are always going to turn out to be incurable.

Quite what Commander Kinsey thought that he was saying here isn\'t obvious. What is obvious is that he should have shut up.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 5:04:20 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 17:55:42 +0100, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 21:06:34 +0100, Mike Monett <spa...@not.com> wrote:
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:

It would increase the temperature, so you\'d then need to use AC which
would remove the humidity!

Not a big problem in the parts of Canada that are very dry in the winter.

Dry and cold don\'t go together well. Cold always means 100% RH.

It doesn\'t. Humidity is always about the water content of the air. At low temperatures the vapour pressure of water over ice can be remarkably low, and most of the water vapour that gets blown in from warmer places get condensed out. Air that has evaporated off liquid air is always very dry - 0% relative humidity.

Canada doesn\'t get that cold, but vapour pressure of water over ice is 4.58 torr at zero Celcius, while the air in your lungs is has got a about 50 torr of water vapour. At -20 Celcius the vapour pressure is down to about 1 torr.

It\'s going to feel dry to you, if you are warn enough to feel anything.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 07:16:06 +0100, Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:

On 2022-04-12, Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

[...]

Our water company adds limestone or something to protect the pipes.
The water supply here is naturally a bit acidic.

We have copper pipes in the residences, but I don\'t know if the city supply
uses copper, pvc or abs.

More likely polyethylene, iron, lead, asbestos, or even wood.

Wooden pipes WTF?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 20:21:14 +0100, Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

[...]

Our water company adds limestone or something to protect the pipes.
The water supply here is naturally a bit acidic.

We have copper pipes in the residences, but I don\'t know if the city supply
uses copper, pvc or abs.

ABS can be plastic, anti lock brakes, or a sexy stomach.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 18:15:08 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 06:01:47 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 20:53:43 +0100, Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:

Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

mandag den 11. april 2022 kl. 16.53.13 UTC+2 skrev Commander Kinsey:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 15:47:19 +0100, Arie de Muijnck
eternal....@ademu.com> wrote:

On 2022-04-11 16:31, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Don\'t ultrasonic humidifiers cause mineral deposition nearby? Maybe
not if one uses good distilled water.

Yes, they do, extensively.

I had the environment covered in a fine dust within weeks.

Even stranger, in the kitchen at the other end of the apartment, gas
flames became orange/red, see for a test:
https://ademu.home.xs4all.nl/Humidifier/Ultrasonic-humidifier-effect-
on-gas-flame.mp4> So, after I edited that shit to remove the
pointless <>, I find some idiot putting damp air into a gas flame,
what was your point? I find distilled water at EUR 0.5 / liter too
expensive for using up to 5 liters per day...
I find no such problems. All it does is make the air more humid. Why
the fuck would that cause deposits?

because it doesn\'t turn the water into vapor, it turns the water, and
what ever minerals in it, into tiny droplets and spread them in the air

I am 80 and live in Canada, a cold climate. When the temperature is low, there
is very little humidity in the air. This means the relative humidity indoors is
very low and gets down to 20% or below.

Low humidity causes chapped lips, sore sinuses, and greatly increased
vulnerability to virus and bacterial infections. 30% to 50% RH solves these
problems.

I got mine for the parrots.

I bought an Ultrasonic Top Fill Humidifier from Amazon Canada:
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B09KRCS7R7

This has no problem maintaining the humidity at 40%, but I discovered some
issues.

1. Ordinary tap water contains calcium. This covers everything with a fine dust.
It looks awful but it is harmless and is easily wiped off. Obviously, you breath
this in.

I\'m in a soft water area, virtually none of that. I\'m surprised water companies aren\'t required to remove that shit so it doesn\'t scale up kettles., washing machines etc.

Our water company adds limestone or something to protect the pipes.
The water supply here is naturally a bit acidic.

Amazing they can\'t just make it pure. This is the 21st century right?

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2022-04-13, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 07:16:06 +0100, Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:

On 2022-04-12, Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

[...]

Our water company adds limestone or something to protect the pipes.
The water supply here is naturally a bit acidic.

We have copper pipes in the residences, but I don\'t know if the city supply
uses copper, pvc or abs.

More likely polyethylene, iron, lead, asbestos, or even wood.

Wooden pipes WTF?

Remarkably (you did), although over a century old, there are still
wooden pipes in service in some places; either stave pipes (constructed
like long barrels), or single-piece pipes, ( a log bored lengthwise).
If you do a search, for \"wooden water pipes\" you will find plenty of
information.


@Peeler GFY.

--
Jasen.

 

[server]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 19:21:14 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com>
wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

[...]

Our water company adds limestone or something to protect the pipes.
The water supply here is naturally a bit acidic.

We have copper pipes in the residences, but I don\'t know if the city supply
uses copper, pvc or abs.

Older houses here usually had threaded iron pipes. The limestone
coated them to protect them from rust, but in ca 100 years built up
enough to restrict flow. That could be snaked out. I did that in our
old (1892) house.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[server]

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 06:16:06 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
<usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:

On 2022-04-12, Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

[...]

Our water company adds limestone or something to protect the pipes.
The water supply here is naturally a bit acidic.

We have copper pipes in the residences, but I don\'t know if the city supply
uses copper, pvc or abs.

More likely polyethylene, iron, lead, asbestos, or even wood.

Or sometimes vitrified clay here, flower pot material. Very fragile.

Wood pipes in Dutch Flat, CA:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ezi7utkoldlbofv/AADyOUIheVZMS0P3J_vFEjpfa?dl=0



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[server]

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 09:06:14 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 18:15:08 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 06:01:47 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 20:53:43 +0100, Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:

Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

mandag den 11. april 2022 kl. 16.53.13 UTC+2 skrev Commander Kinsey:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 15:47:19 +0100, Arie de Muijnck
eternal....@ademu.com> wrote:

On 2022-04-11 16:31, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Don\'t ultrasonic humidifiers cause mineral deposition nearby? Maybe
not if one uses good distilled water.

Yes, they do, extensively.

I had the environment covered in a fine dust within weeks.

Even stranger, in the kitchen at the other end of the apartment, gas
flames became orange/red, see for a test:
https://ademu.home.xs4all.nl/Humidifier/Ultrasonic-humidifier-effect-
on-gas-flame.mp4> So, after I edited that shit to remove the
pointless <>, I find some idiot putting damp air into a gas flame,
what was your point? I find distilled water at EUR 0.5 / liter too
expensive for using up to 5 liters per day...
I find no such problems. All it does is make the air more humid. Why
the fuck would that cause deposits?

because it doesn\'t turn the water into vapor, it turns the water, and
what ever minerals in it, into tiny droplets and spread them in the air

I am 80 and live in Canada, a cold climate. When the temperature is low, there
is very little humidity in the air. This means the relative humidity indoors is
very low and gets down to 20% or below.

Low humidity causes chapped lips, sore sinuses, and greatly increased
vulnerability to virus and bacterial infections. 30% to 50% RH solves these
problems.

I got mine for the parrots.

I bought an Ultrasonic Top Fill Humidifier from Amazon Canada:
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B09KRCS7R7

This has no problem maintaining the humidity at 40%, but I discovered some
issues.

1. Ordinary tap water contains calcium. This covers everything with a fine dust.
It looks awful but it is harmless and is easily wiped off. Obviously, you breath
this in.

I\'m in a soft water area, virtually none of that. I\'m surprised water companies aren\'t required to remove that shit so it doesn\'t scale up kettles., washing machines etc.

Our water company adds limestone or something to protect the pipes.
The water supply here is naturally a bit acidic.

Amazing they can\'t just make it pure. This is the 21st century right?

We drink melted snow from the Hetch Hechy reservoir in the Sierras. It
is very pure and very tasty, but has a bit of natural CO2 that can
attack older iron pipes. The added carbonate protects the pipes.

Most places have water with enough dissolved minerals (and sewage and
chemicals from places upstream) to be alkaline, and taste terrible.
Lots of places, people don\'t drink the tap water.


--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[server]

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 08:05:18 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 18:18:46 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 06:02:30 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 00:41:37 +0100, Randy Patzkowski <randyp@redacted.org> wrote:

On 4/11/2022 10:31:33 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Don\'t ultrasonic humidifiers cause mineral deposition nearby? Maybe
not if one uses good distilled water.

Last October I installed an Aprilaire 500M whole house humidifier on our furnace and plumbed it in to the reverse osmosis water system.
Checked the water evaporator panel this spring and it still looked brand new.

WTF is a \"reverse osmosis water system\"?

Ask Mister Google!

Not interested, just wondering why anyone needs anything so complicated.

You define yourself by the things that you are not interested in.



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