Adjusting an atomizer circuit...

[Peeler]

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 14:19:38 -0700, John Larkin, another senile bullshit
artist, bullshitted!

I prefer that you senile airheads stop feeding that WELL-KNOWN and PROVEN
clinically insane trolling attention whore! Capisci?

What do you do in real life?

None of yours, senile blabbermouth! You may ask your senile \"friends\" on
Usenet that question. From what I\'ve seen, the senile assholes that took
over Usenet are just too happy to keep talking about their personal lives
and outstanding achievements ...and feeding the trolls! <BG

Your life sounds generally depressing.

Another senile smartass who, no surprise, is also hard of hearing! LOL

> Try electronics. It\'s fun.

Not for those who got better things to do, senile shithead! You may shove
your electronics up yours! <BG>

 

[Phil Hobbs]

John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 13:19:56 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

mandag den 11. april 2022 kl. 22.15.10 UTC+2 skrev Mike Monett:
Lasse Langwadt Christensen <lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:
[...]
if you need both heat and humidity, just boil some water?
It takes about 1.5 KW to bring the apartment to a comfortable temperature.
That would destroy an electrolytic humidifier.

put a pot of water on the stove...

The pot will get all cruddy pretty soon.

Not too bad if you dump it out before it boils dry. My vapourizer does
that automatically--the bottoms of the electrodes are an inch or so off
the bottom of the jar, so it turns off automatically before it dries out.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Randy Patzkowski]

On 4/11/2022 10:31:33 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Don\'t ultrasonic humidifiers cause mineral deposition nearby? Maybe
not if one uses good distilled water.

Last October I installed an Aprilaire 500M whole house humidifier on our furnace and plumbed it in to the reverse osmosis water system.
Checked the water evaporator panel this spring and it still looked brand new.

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 11 Apr 22 23:41:37 UTC, Randy Patzkowski <randyp@redacted.org>
wrote:

On 4/11/2022 10:31:33 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Don\'t ultrasonic humidifiers cause mineral deposition nearby? Maybe
not if one uses good distilled water.

Last October I installed an Aprilaire 500M whole house humidifier on our furnace and plumbed it in to the reverse osmosis water system.
Checked the water evaporator panel this spring and it still looked brand new.

Does it literally evaporate the water? Is there any unused water
discharged?

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

 

[Phil Allison]

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

============================
Peeler <trol...@valid.invalid>

LOL! Like I said: troll-feeding senile asshole!

Design some electronics. Show us.

** FFS do NOT do that !!!

JL is an anti-social, narcissistic asshole who loves pissing on others here.

There is a strong pattern here, those who fancy themselves being \"good at eletronics\" are very often thoroughly nasty people.


....... Phil

 

[server]

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 17:12:46 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

============================
Peeler <trol...@valid.invalid


LOL! Like I said: troll-feeding senile asshole!

Design some electronics. Show us.


** FFS do NOT do that !!!

JL is an anti-social, narcissistic asshole who loves pissing on others here.

There is a strong pattern here, those who fancy themselves being \"good at eletronics\" are very often thoroughly nasty people.

That makes you a real sweetie.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 11:11:48 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 17:12:46 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison <palli...@gmail.com> wrote:
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Peeler <trol...@valid.invalid

LOL! Like I said: troll-feeding senile asshole!

Design some electronics. Show us.

** FFS do NOT do that !!!

JL is an anti-social, narcissistic asshole who loves pissing on others here.

There is a strong pattern here, those who fancy themselves being \"good at eletronics\" are very often thoroughly nasty people.

That makes you a real sweetie.

John Larkin does fancy himself as being good at electronics. Phil Allison is actually good at audio electronics.

My own impression is that competence at electronics doesn\'t correlate strongly with personality type at all. None of the really good electronics engineers I\'ve known have been nasty people - in fact a few of them have been truly admirable characters - and the only common factor was that they all took electronics seriously.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 17:33:52 +0100, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 11/04/2022 16:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 16:17:15 +0100, <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 15:53:04 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 15:47:19 +0100, Arie de Muijnck
eternal.september@ademu.com> wrote:

On 2022-04-11 16:31, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Don\'t ultrasonic humidifiers cause mineral deposition nearby? Maybe
not if one uses good distilled water.

Yes, they do, extensively.

I had the environment covered in a fine dust within weeks.

Even stranger, in the kitchen at the other end of the apartment, gas
flames became orange/red, see for a test:
https://ademu.home.xs4all.nl/Humidifier/Ultrasonic-humidifier-effect-on-gas-flame.mp4


So, after I edited that shit to remove the pointless <>, I find some
idiot putting damp air into a gas flame, what was your point?

My mistake for assuming that you could be nudged into civilized behavior.

So, you wanted to nudge me into not using what I was asking about how to
make work. Not very helpful are you?

And it\'s spelled behaviour, with a U. American isn\'t a language.

There is a pattern here: nasty people are rarely, maybe never, any
good at electronics.

And you\'re the one that edited my subject to some bollocks or other.
I\'m guessing you\'re a troll and I should engage my killfile?

Remind us, who was the idiot who posted to non-uk newsgroups?

What\'s wrong with posting to non-uk newsgroups? Do you think US citizens don\'t use humidifiers?

> The only troll here is one who\'s too lazy to work and seeks attention.

Too ill to work.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 21:06:34 +0100, Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:

Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

[...]

I have an ancient (1960-vintage) DeVilbiss mains-powered vapourizer that
we use when somebody has a lower-respiratory bug. It\'s a glass jar
holding a gallon or so, and a Bakelite lid containing two plated steel
electrodes that get dunked into the water. They\'re covered by a
Bakelite cylinder with a hole in the bottom, and the steam from the
boiling water gets directed out a hole in the top.

The steam production can be regulated with a little bit of borax in the
water if needed. (Salt works but eventually eats the electrodes.)

Simple, works great, no moving parts, no Legionnaire\'s disease or lime
dust on the rug. Cheap on eBay. Good Medicine.

It does heat the room a little bit, but not enough to worry about.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

How long does it take to evaporate a gallon?

My ultrasonic mister takes about 24 hrs to evaporate 4 litres, which is
1.06 gallons. This raises the humidity from 20% to 40% and stops the
chapped lips and sore sinuses. The white film that covers everything is
harmless and is a small price to pay, but I wonder if a steamer could do as
well.

It would increase the temperature, so you\'d then need to use AC which would remove the humidity!

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 20:53:43 +0100, Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:

Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

mandag den 11. april 2022 kl. 16.53.13 UTC+2 skrev Commander Kinsey:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 15:47:19 +0100, Arie de Muijnck
eternal....@ademu.com> wrote:

On 2022-04-11 16:31, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Don\'t ultrasonic humidifiers cause mineral deposition nearby? Maybe
not if one uses good distilled water.

Yes, they do, extensively.

I had the environment covered in a fine dust within weeks.

Even stranger, in the kitchen at the other end of the apartment, gas
flames became orange/red, see for a test:
https://ademu.home.xs4all.nl/Humidifier/Ultrasonic-humidifier-effect-
on-gas-flame.mp4> So, after I edited that shit to remove the
pointless <>, I find some idiot putting damp air into a gas flame,
what was your point? I find distilled water at EUR 0.5 / liter too
expensive for using up to 5 liters per day...
I find no such problems. All it does is make the air more humid. Why
the fuck would that cause deposits?

because it doesn\'t turn the water into vapor, it turns the water, and
what ever minerals in it, into tiny droplets and spread them in the air

I am 80 and live in Canada, a cold climate. When the temperature is low, there
is very little humidity in the air. This means the relative humidity indoors is
very low and gets down to 20% or below.

Low humidity causes chapped lips, sore sinuses, and greatly increased
vulnerability to virus and bacterial infections. 30% to 50% RH solves these
problems.

I got mine for the parrots.

I bought an Ultrasonic Top Fill Humidifier from Amazon Canada:
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B09KRCS7R7

This has no problem maintaining the humidity at 40%, but I discovered some
issues.

1. Ordinary tap water contains calcium. This covers everything with a fine dust.
It looks awful but it is harmless and is easily wiped off. Obviously, you breath
this in.

I\'m in a soft water area, virtually none of that. I\'m surprised water companies aren\'t required to remove that shit so it doesn\'t scale up kettles., washing machines etc.

Whatever deposits on the piezo element, I just wipe off with my finger every time I refill it.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 00:41:37 +0100, Randy Patzkowski <randyp@redacted.org> wrote:

On 4/11/2022 10:31:33 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Don\'t ultrasonic humidifiers cause mineral deposition nearby? Maybe
not if one uses good distilled water.

Last October I installed an Aprilaire 500M whole house humidifier on our furnace and plumbed it in to the reverse osmosis water system.
Checked the water evaporator panel this spring and it still looked brand new.

WTF is a \"reverse osmosis water system\"? Do you live in a clean room?

 

[Mike Monett]

Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Mike Monett wrote:
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

[...]

I have an ancient (1960-vintage) DeVilbiss mains-powered vapourizer
that we use when somebody has a lower-respiratory bug. It\'s a glass
jar holding a gallon or so, and a Bakelite lid containing two plated
steel electrodes that get dunked into the water. They\'re covered by a
Bakelite cylinder with a hole in the bottom, and the steam from the
boiling water gets directed out a hole in the top.

The steam production can be regulated with a little bit of borax in
the water if needed. (Salt works but eventually eats the electrodes.)

Simple, works great, no moving parts, no Legionnaire\'s disease or lime
dust on the rug. Cheap on eBay. Good Medicine.

It does heat the room a little bit, but not enough to worry about.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

How long does it take to evaporate a gallon?

[...]

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I seached EBay and found one that seems to be like it. The shipping from
the States was $50, which is outrageous and I refuse to pay.

I found a steamer at Amazon. It has a small chamber with a heating element

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07GQ2CF4T/

The calcium appears to stay in the water and attaches to the element, just
like in an electric kettle. Boiling vinegar for a few minutes should clean
it out. I\'ll try your trick of turning power off before the chamber is
empty.

The problem with this method is trying to control the output. It claims to
be able to adjust the output to give 24 hrs of run time. This would make it
identical to my ultrasonic mister, which keeps the humidity at 40%, which
is perfect.

Thanks very much for your post and helpful reply. Hopefully this will get
rid of the fine coating all over everything.



--
MRM

 

[Mike Monett]

Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

[...]

I have an ancient (1960-vintage) DeVilbiss mains-powered vapourizer that
we use when somebody has a lower-respiratory bug. It\'s a glass jar
holding a gallon or so, and a Bakelite lid containing two plated steel
electrodes that get dunked into the water. They\'re covered by a
Bakelite cylinder with a hole in the bottom, and the steam from the
boiling water gets directed out a hole in the top.

The steam production can be regulated with a little bit of borax in the
water if needed. (Salt works but eventually eats the electrodes.)

Simple, works great, no moving parts, no Legionnaire\'s disease or lime
dust on the rug. Cheap on eBay. Good Medicine.

It does heat the room a little bit, but not enough to worry about.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

No need to mess with borax. A simple incadescent light dimmer can adjust
the output to any level desired. This should give better repeatability of
the steam output and more predictable results.



--
MRM

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 11/04/2022 22:19, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 19:13:15 +0200, Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 08:58:04 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com,
another typical senile airhead, blathered:


NOT in the case of a well-known, PROVEN clinically insane trolling attention
whore like \"PHucker\"! <BG> If you need proof, I can post it here. ;-)

I prefer that you post something intelligent on topic.

I prefer that you senile airheads stop feeding that WELL-KNOWN and PROVEN
clinically insane trolling attention whore! Capisci?

What do you do in real life?

None of yours, senile blabbermouth! You may ask your senile \"friends\" on
Usenet that question. From what I\'ve seen, the senile assholes that took
over Usenet are just too happy to keep talking about their personal lives
and outstanding achievements ...and feeding the trolls! <BG

Your life sounds generally depressing.

Try electronics. It\'s fun.

Or gardening. You can bullshit all you like to flowers. They are never
offended and they never answer back. They are grateful for the hot air
and carbon emissions.


--
Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead
to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:44:31 +0100, The Natural Idiot, another senile
blabbermouth, blabbered again:

Or gardening. You can bullshit all you like to flowers. They are never
offended and they never answer back. They are grateful for the hot air
and carbon emissions.

It\'s hilarious how you senile morons on Usenet insist on your \"right\" to
keep feeding the dumbest and filthiest trolls around! Goes to show HOW
miserable all you endlessly babbling, senile shitheads really are! <BG>

 

[Randy Patzkowski]

On 4/11/2022 7:50:37 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 11 Apr 22 23:41:37 UTC, Randy Patzkowski <randyp@redacted.org
wrote:

On 4/11/2022 10:31:33 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Don\'t ultrasonic humidifiers cause mineral deposition nearby? Maybe
not if one uses good distilled water.

Last October I installed an Aprilaire 500M whole house humidifier on our furnace and plumbed it in to the reverse osmosis water system.
Checked the water evaporator panel this spring and it still looked brand new.

Does it literally evaporate the water?

Yes

Is there any unused water
discharged?

Yes, approximately one drop per second exits the drain tube when the furnace blower is on and the humidistat is calling for more humidity.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 12:12:14 +0100, Randy Patzkowski <randyp@redacted.org> wrote:

On 4/11/2022 7:50:37 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 11 Apr 22 23:41:37 UTC, Randy Patzkowski <randyp@redacted.org
wrote:

On 4/11/2022 10:31:33 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Don\'t ultrasonic humidifiers cause mineral deposition nearby? Maybe
not if one uses good distilled water.

Last October I installed an Aprilaire 500M whole house humidifier on our furnace and plumbed it in to the reverse osmosis water system.
Checked the water evaporator panel this spring and it still looked brand new.

Does it literally evaporate the water?

Yes

Is there any unused water
discharged?


Yes, approximately one drop per second exits the drain tube when the furnace blower is on and the humidistat is calling for more humidity.

Calling for? Does it shout across the house?

 

[amdx]

On 4/11/2022 7:12 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

============================
Peeler <trol...@valid.invalid

LOL! Like I said: troll-feeding senile asshole!

Design some electronics. Show us.

** FFS do NOT do that !!!

JL is an anti-social, narcissistic asshole who loves pissing on others here.

There is a strong pattern here, those who fancy themselves being \"good at eletronics\" are very often thoroughly nasty people.


...... Phil

Peeler, you are making Phil look more and more like a nice guy!
                         Mikek

--
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

 

[Phil Hobbs]

Mike Monett wrote:

Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Mike Monett wrote:
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

[...]

I have an ancient (1960-vintage) DeVilbiss mains-powered vapourizer
that we use when somebody has a lower-respiratory bug. It\'s a glass
jar holding a gallon or so, and a Bakelite lid containing two plated
steel electrodes that get dunked into the water. They\'re covered by a
Bakelite cylinder with a hole in the bottom, and the steam from the
boiling water gets directed out a hole in the top.

The steam production can be regulated with a little bit of borax in
the water if needed. (Salt works but eventually eats the electrodes.)

Simple, works great, no moving parts, no Legionnaire\'s disease or lime
dust on the rug. Cheap on eBay. Good Medicine.

It does heat the room a little bit, but not enough to worry about.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

How long does it take to evaporate a gallon?

[...]


I seached EBay and found one that seems to be like it. The shipping from
the States was $50, which is outrageous and I refuse to pay.

There are some for cheaper.

I found a steamer at Amazon. It has a small chamber with a heating element

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07GQ2CF4T/

The calcium appears to stay in the water and attaches to the element, just
like in an electric kettle. Boiling vinegar for a few minutes should clean
it out. I\'ll try your trick of turning power off before the chamber is
empty.

The nice thing about the DeVilbiss 145 is that the water is heated by
passing AC through it (the electrodes are directly connected to the
mains), so that happens automatically.

I very rarely need to use it for more than a week at a time, so I\'ve
never had it crud up on me. Dunno what it\'s like in continual use.

The problem with this method is trying to control the output. It claims to
be able to adjust the output to give 24 hrs of run time. This would make it
identical to my ultrasonic mister, which keeps the humidity at 40%, which
is perfect.

Thanks very much for your post and helpful reply. Hopefully this will get
rid of the fine coating all over everything.

Not to mention all the mould spores and Legionella.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 3:01:55 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 20:53:43 +0100, Mike Monett <spa...@not.com> wrote:
Lasse Langwadt Christensen <lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:
mandag den 11. april 2022 kl. 16.53.13 UTC+2 skrev Commander Kinsey:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 15:47:19 +0100, Arie de Muijnck <eternal....@ademu.com> wrote:
On 2022-04-11 16:31, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

1. Ordinary tap water contains calcium. This covers everything with a fine dust.

It\'s actually calcium and magnesium salts carbonates and sulphates. Calcium and magnesium are both metals.

It looks awful but it is harmless and is easily wiped off. Obviously, you breath this in.

I\'m in a soft water area, virtually none of that. I\'m surprised water companies aren\'t required to remove that shit so it doesn\'t scale up kettles., washing machines etc.

It is easy to do - you get deionised water by running it through an ion exchange column - but doing it on all the water you pipe into a city isn\'t economically feasible.

You can put a water-softener on your laundry water inlet, which does it all automatically. We had one when we lived in Cambridge in the UK, and had to put a couple of kilograms of salt every month (which ended up replacing the calcium and magnesium salts in the piped in water). You don\'t drink the softened water, or use it for cooking - the extra salt isn\'t good for you.

Even in soft water areas your water does contain some dissolved salts - the difference is that soft water contains less than 60 milligrams per litre of dissolved salts, and hard water can have up to about 200 milligrams per litre

> Whatever deposits on the piezo element, I just wipe off with my finger every time I refill it.

It won\'t do the piezo element much harm.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney