Adjusting an atomizer circuit...

[Peeler]

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 08:40:22 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com,
another mentally challenged driveling senile idiot, blathered:

Design some electronics. Show us.

Or write a book.

Why should I design \"some electronics\"? And if I wrote a book, why would
I point it out to some senile airheads on Usenet? I\'m not even subscribed to
or interested in your newsgroup, nor in what idiotic topic this thread is
about. LOL

 

[Peeler]

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 08:58:04 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com,
another typical senile airhead, blathered:

NOT in the case of a well-known, PROVEN clinically insane trolling attention
whore like \"PHucker\"! <BG> If you need proof, I can post it here. ;-)

I prefer that you post something intelligent on topic.

I prefer that you senile airheads stop feeding that WELL-KNOWN and PROVEN
clinically insane trolling attention whore! Capisci?

> What do you do in real life?

None of yours, senile blabbermouth! You may ask your senile \"friends\" on
Usenet that question. From what I\'ve seen, the senile assholes that took
over Usenet are just too happy to keep talking about their personal lives
and outstanding achievements ...and feeding the trolls! <BG>

 

[Phil Hobbs]

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 08:47:31 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

mandag den 11. april 2022 kl. 16.53.13 UTC+2 skrev Commander Kinsey:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 15:47:19 +0100, Arie de Muijnck <eternal....@ademu.com> wrote:

On 2022-04-11 16:31, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Don\'t ultrasonic humidifiers cause mineral deposition nearby? Maybe
not if one uses good distilled water.

Yes, they do, extensively.

I had the environment covered in a fine dust within weeks.

Even stranger, in the kitchen at the other end of the apartment, gas
flames became orange/red, see for a test:
https://ademu.home.xs4all.nl/Humidifier/Ultrasonic-humidifier-effect-on-gas-flame.mp4
So, after I edited that shit to remove the pointless <>, I find some idiot putting damp air into a gas flame, what was your point?
I find distilled water at EUR 0.5 / liter too expensive for using up to 5 liters per day...
I find no such problems. All it does is make the air more humid. Why the fuck would that cause deposits?

because it doesn\'t turn the water into vapor, it turns the water, and what ever minerals in it, into tiny droplets and spread them in the air

Right. Evaporation keeps the solids behind. Spraying doesn\'t.

Our water is naturally acidic, which would eat pipes, so it\'s passed
over limestone chips or something. That coats pipes and protects them.
It will make the deposits.

I have an ancient (1960-vintage) DeVilbiss mains-powered vapourizer that
we use when somebody has a lower-respiratory bug. It\'s a glass jar
holding a gallon or so, and a Bakelite lid containing two plated steel
electrodes that get dunked into the water. They\'re covered by a
Bakelite cylinder with a hole in the bottom, and the steam from the
boiling water gets directed out a hole in the top.

The steam production can be regulated with a little bit of borax in the
water if needed. (Salt works but eventually eats the electrodes.)

Simple, works great, no moving parts, no Legionnaire\'s disease or lime
dust on the rug. Cheap on eBay. Good Medicine.

It does heat the room a little bit, but not enough to worry about.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
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Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[John Doe]

Some nym-shifting, subject line changing troll from one of the
cross posted-to groups...

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On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 09:33:22 +0100, Birdbrain Macaw (aka \"Commander Kinsey\",
\"James Wilkinson\", \"Steven Wanker\",\"Bruce Farquar\", \"Fred Johnson, etc.),
the pathological resident idiot and attention whore of all the uk ngs,
blathered again:

FLUSH the subnormal sociopathic trolling attention whore\'s latest
attention-baiting sick bullshit unread again

--
damduck-egg@yahoo.co.uk about Birdbrain Macaw\'s (now \"Commander Kinsey\" LOL)
trolling:
\"He is a well known attention seeking troll and every reply you
make feeds him.
Starts many threads most of which die quick as on the UK groups anyone
with sense Kill filed him ages ago which is why he now cross posts to
the US groups for a new audience.
This thread was unusual in that it derived and continued without him
to a large extent and his silly questioning is an attempt to get
noticed again.\"
MID: <be195d5jh0hktj054mvfu7ef9ap854mjdb@4ax.com

--
ItsJoanNotJoann addressing Birdbrain Macaw\'s (now \"Commander Kinsey\" LOL):
\"You\'re an annoying troll and I\'m done with you and your
stupidity.\"
MID: <e39a6a7f-9677-4e78-a866-0590fe5bbc38@googlegroups.com

--
AndyW addressing Birdbrain:
\"Troll or idiot?...
You have been presented with a viewpoint with information, reasoning,
historical cases, citations and references to back it up and wilfully
ignore all going back to your idea which has no supporting information.\"
MID: <KaToA.263621$g93.262397@fx10.am4

--
Phil Lee adressing Birdbrain Macaw:
\"You are too stupid to be wasting oxygen.\"
MID: <uv2u4clurscpat3g29l7aksbohsassufe2@4ax.com

--
Phil Lee describing Birdbrain Macaw:
\"I\'ve never seen such misplaced pride in being a fucking moronic motorist.\"
MID: <j7fb6ct83igfd1g99rmu4gh9vf610ra3jk@4ax.com

--
Tony944 addressing Birdbrain Macaw:
\"I seen and heard many people but you are on top of list being first class
ass hole jerk. ...You fit under unconditional Idiot and should be put in
mental institution.
MID: <VLCdnYC5HK1Z4S3FnZ2dnUU7-dPNnZ2d@giganews.com

--
Pelican to Birdbrain Macaw:
\"Ok. I\'m persuaded . You are an idiot.\"
MID: <obru31$nao$3@dont-email.me

--
DerbyDad03 addressing Birdbrain Macaw (now \"Commander Kinsey\" LOL):
\"Frigging Idiot. Get the hell out of my thread.\"
MID: <4d907253-b3b9-40d4-be4d-b32d453937e0@googlegroups.com

--
Kerr Mudd-John about Birdbrain Macaw (now \"Commander Kinsey LOL):
\"It\'s like arguing with a demented frog.\"
MID: <op.yy3c02cqmsr2db@dell3100.workgroup

--
Mr Pounder Esquire about Birdbrain Macaw (now \"Commander Kinsey\" LOL):
\"the piss poor delivery boy with no hot running water, 11 cats and
several parrots living in his hovel.\"
MID: <odqtgc$iug$1@dont-email.me

--
Rob Morley about Birdbrain:
\"He\'s a perennial idiot\"
MID: <20170519215057.56a1f1d4@Mars

--
JoeyDee to Birdbrain
\"I apologize for thinking you were a jerk. You\'re just someone with an IQ
lower than your age, and I accept that as a reason for your comments.\"
MID: <0001HW.1EE2D20300E7BECC700004A512CF@news.eternal-september.org

--
Sam Plusnet about Birdbrain (now \"Commander Kinsey\" LOL):
\"He\'s just desperate to be noticed. Any attention will do, no matter how
negative it may be.\"
MID: <rOmdndd_O7u8iK7EnZ2dnUU78TGdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk

--
thekmanrocks@gmail.com asking Birdbrain:
\"What, were you dropped on your head as a child?\"
MID: <58ddfad5-d9a5-4031-b91f-1850245a6ed9@googlegroups.com

--
Christie addressing endlessly driveling Birdbrain Macaw (now \"Commander
Kinsey\" LOL):
\"What are you resurrecting that old post of mine for? It\'s from last
month some time. You\'re like a dog who\'s just dug up an old bone they
hid in the garden until they were ready to have another go at it.\"
MID: <59d8b0db.4113512@news.eternal-september.org

--
Mr Pounder\'s fitting description of Birdbrain Macaw:
\"You are a well known fool, a tosser, a pillock, a stupid unemployable
sponging failure who will always live alone and will die alone. You will not
be missed.\"
MID: <orree6$on2$1@dont-email.me

--
Richard to pathetic wanker Hucker:
\"You haven\'t bred?
Only useful thing you\'ve done in your pathetic existence.\"
MID: <orvctf$l5m$1@gioia.aioe.org

--
clare@snyder.on.ca about Birdbrain (now \"Commander Kinsey\" LOL):
\"\"not the sharpest knife in the drawer\"\'s parents sure made a serious
mistake having him born alive -- A total waste of oxygen, food, space,
and bandwidth.\"
MID: <s5e9uclqpnabtehehg3d792tmll73se0g8@4ax.com

--
Mr Pounder exposing sociopathic Birdbrain:
\"You will always be a lonely sociopath living in a shithole with no hot
running water with loads of stinking cats and a few parrots.\"
MID: <os5m1i$8m1$1@dont-email.me

--
francis about Birdbrain (now \"Commander Kinsey\" LOL):
\"He seems to have a reputation as someone of limited intelligence\"
MID: <cf06cdd9-8bb8-469c-800a-0dfa4c2f9ffa@googlegroups.com

--
Peter Moylan about Birdbrain (now \"Commander Kinsey\" LOL):
\"If people like JWS didn\'t exist, we would have to find some other way to
explain the concept of \"invincible ignorance\".\"
MID: <otofc8$tbg$2@dont-email.me

--
Lewis about nym-shifting Birdbrain:
\"Typical narcissist troll, thinks his shit is so grand he has the right to
try to force it on everyone
MID: <slrnq16c27.1h4g.g.kreme@jaka.local

 

[Peeler]

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 17:32:39 -0000 (UTC), John Doe, another mentally
deficient, senile asshole, blathered in typical senile manner:

Some nym-shifting, subject line changing troll from one of the
cross posted-to groups...

Some typical demented senile asshole who doesn\'t understand what\'s what on
Usenet... <BG>

F\'up

 

[Edward Hernandez]

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly
formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
Mon, 11 Apr 2022 17:32:39 -0000 (UTC) in message-id
<t31onm$k6o$3@dont-email.me>).

NOBODY likes the John Doe troll\'s contentless spam.

Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
<svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
(UTC):

Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
except insults to this group.

Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe\'s post ratio
to USENET has been 56.4% of its posts contributing \"nothing except
insults\" to USENET.

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

v78+6LE08+Cp

 

[John Doe]

Poor liddle Eddie got spanked and just can\'t get over it.

Unless Eddie is nym-shifting, it has never posted anything NORMAL
except when it got a severe spanking...

https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

Is the stalker a nym-shifting troll, or a newbie netcop wannabe?

See also...
Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don\'t get spanked!

Spanked Eddie...

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The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly
formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
Mon, 11 Apr 2022 17:32:39 -0000 (UTC) in message-id
t31onm$k6o$3@dont-email.me>).

NOBODY likes the John Doe troll\'s contentless spam.

Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
(UTC):

Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
except insults to this group.

Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe\'s post ratio
to USENET has been 56.4% of its posts contributing \"nothing except
insults\" to USENET.

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

v78+6LE08+Cp

 

[amdx]

On 4/11/2022 9:31 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 09:42:48 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Peeler wrote:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 07:00:48 -0500, amdx, yet another mentally challenged,
troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:


 As Tim \'the toolman\' Taylor would say, more power!
As anyone with a brain would say, DON\'T FEED THE TROLL, troll-feeding senile
twit!

As if anybody can tell you lot apart without a program.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
Whenever one asks a technical question, we should encourage that
behavior.

Don\'t ultrasonic humidifiers cause mineral deposition nearby? Maybe
not if one uses good distilled water.

Years ago I repaired VCRs for a living. I open one up and some of the
foils were covered with a white powder.
It followed these traces perfectly. I followed up with the customer and
found they had an ultrasonic humidifier.
Made me question whether they were good for lung health.
                                           Mikek


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[Edward Hernandez]

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 11 Apr 2022 18:35:58 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t31see$qlp$1@dont-email.me>.

Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
<svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
(UTC):

Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
except insults to this group.

Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe\'s post ratio
to USENET has been 56.5% of its posts contributing \"nothing except
insults\" to USENET.

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

eENnBNkzVWth

 

[Mike Monett]

Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

mandag den 11. april 2022 kl. 16.53.13 UTC+2 skrev Commander Kinsey:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 15:47:19 +0100, Arie de Muijnck
eternal....@ademu.com> wrote:

On 2022-04-11 16:31, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Don\'t ultrasonic humidifiers cause mineral deposition nearby? Maybe
not if one uses good distilled water.

Yes, they do, extensively.

I had the environment covered in a fine dust within weeks.

Even stranger, in the kitchen at the other end of the apartment, gas
flames became orange/red, see for a test:
https://ademu.home.xs4all.nl/Humidifier/Ultrasonic-humidifier-effect-
on-gas-flame.mp4> So, after I edited that shit to remove the
pointless <>, I find some idiot putting damp air into a gas flame,
what was your point? I find distilled water at EUR 0.5 / liter too
expensive for using up to 5 liters per day...
I find no such problems. All it does is make the air more humid. Why
the fuck would that cause deposits?

because it doesn\'t turn the water into vapor, it turns the water, and
what ever minerals in it, into tiny droplets and spread them in the air

I am 80 and live in Canada, a cold climate. When the temperature is low, there
is very little humidity in the air. This means the relative humidity indoors is
very low and gets down to 20% or below.

Low humidity causes chapped lips, sore sinuses, and greatly increased
vulnerability to virus and bacterial infections. 30% to 50% RH solves these
problems.

I bought an Ultrasonic Top Fill Humidifier from Amazon Canada:
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B09KRCS7R7

This has no problem maintaining the humidity at 40%, but I discovered some
issues.

1. Ordinary tap water contains calcium. This covers everything with a fine dust.
It looks awful but it is harmless and is easily wiped off. Obviously, you breath
this in.

2. A very small amount of vinegar, 10 grams per 4 litres, prevents calcium
deposits from building up on the piezo element.

3. The humidifier eventually stopped working. It turns out that bacteria built
up a fine gray slime that covered the water valve that regulated the flow of
water into the piezo chamber. This blocked the valve and stopped the flow of
water. It was extremely difficult to remove, and I was never able to remove it
all. But I got enough out to allow the valve to begin working again. A very
small amount of household bleach, about 1 gram in 4 litres, was sufficient to
prevent the slime buildup.

4. The vinegar and bleach form hypochlorous acid, a very powerful antibiotic.

Sodium hypochlorite (bleacn) : NaOCl
Vinegar (acetic acid) : CH3COOH
Sodium acetate : CH3COONa
Hypochlorous acid : HOCl

The hypochlorous acid prevents slime buildup on the humidifier valve.
This uses 1 gm of vinegar, leaving the rest to combine with the calcium.

NaOCl(aq) + CH3COOH(aq) ==> CH3COONa(aq) + HOCl(aq).

5. The vinegar combines with the calcium and forms CO2, water, and calcium
acetate as follows:

Calcium carbonate : CaCO3
Vinegar (acetic acid) : CH3COOH
Calcium acetate : Ca(CH3COO)2
Water : H2O
Carbon Dioxide : CO2

CaCO3(s) + 2CH3COOH(l) --> Ca(CH3COO)2(s) + H2O(l) + CO2(g)

The calcium acetate is what coats the surfaces and gets in your lungs. It is
highly soluble and dissolves into your blood stream as soon as it enters.

The recommended dose for calcium is 2500 mg for adults ages 19-50 years and 2000
mg for adults over 50 years. If you take calcium supplement, the usual dose is
333 mg. So the small amount you inhale is actually healthful.




--
MRM

 

[Mike Monett]

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

[...]

because it doesn\'t turn the water into vapor, it turns the water, and
what ever minerals in it, into tiny droplets and spread them in the air

Right. Evaporation keeps the solids behind. Spraying doesn\'t.

Evaporation would have a very difficult time increasing the humidiy from 20%
to 50%. An ultrasonic humidifier has no problem. It forms a fine coating that
covers everything, but it is harmless. See my related post for the equations.


--
MRM

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

mandag den 11. april 2022 kl. 21.53.51 UTC+2 skrev Mike Monett:

Lasse Langwadt Christensen <lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:
mandag den 11. april 2022 kl. 16.53.13 UTC+2 skrev Commander Kinsey:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 15:47:19 +0100, Arie de Muijnck
eternal....@ademu.com> wrote:

On 2022-04-11 16:31, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Don\'t ultrasonic humidifiers cause mineral deposition nearby? Maybe
not if one uses good distilled water.

Yes, they do, extensively.

I had the environment covered in a fine dust within weeks.

Even stranger, in the kitchen at the other end of the apartment, gas
flames became orange/red, see for a test:
https://ademu.home.xs4all.nl/Humidifier/Ultrasonic-humidifier-effect-
on-gas-flame.mp4> So, after I edited that shit to remove the
pointless <>, I find some idiot putting damp air into a gas flame,
what was your point? I find distilled water at EUR 0.5 / liter too
expensive for using up to 5 liters per day...
I find no such problems. All it does is make the air more humid. Why
the fuck would that cause deposits?

because it doesn\'t turn the water into vapor, it turns the water, and
what ever minerals in it, into tiny droplets and spread them in the air
I am 80 and live in Canada, a cold climate. When the temperature is low, there
is very little humidity in the air. This means the relative humidity indoors is
very low and gets down to 20% or below.

if you need both heat and humidity, just boil some water?

 

[Mike Monett]

Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

[...]

I have an ancient (1960-vintage) DeVilbiss mains-powered vapourizer that
we use when somebody has a lower-respiratory bug. It\'s a glass jar
holding a gallon or so, and a Bakelite lid containing two plated steel
electrodes that get dunked into the water. They\'re covered by a
Bakelite cylinder with a hole in the bottom, and the steam from the
boiling water gets directed out a hole in the top.

The steam production can be regulated with a little bit of borax in the
water if needed. (Salt works but eventually eats the electrodes.)

Simple, works great, no moving parts, no Legionnaire\'s disease or lime
dust on the rug. Cheap on eBay. Good Medicine.

It does heat the room a little bit, but not enough to worry about.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

How long does it take to evaporate a gallon?

My ultrasonic mister takes about 24 hrs to evaporate 4 litres, which is
1.06 gallons. This raises the humidity from 20% to 40% and stops the
chapped lips and sore sinuses. The white film that covers everything is
harmless and is a small price to pay, but I wonder if a steamer could do as
well.



--
MRM

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

mandag den 11. april 2022 kl. 21.58.04 UTC+2 skrev Mike Monett:

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

[...]
because it doesn\'t turn the water into vapor, it turns the water, and
what ever minerals in it, into tiny droplets and spread them in the air

Right. Evaporation keeps the solids behind. Spraying doesn\'t.
Evaporation would have a very difficult time increasing the humidiy from 20%
to 50%. An ultrasonic humidifier has no problem. It forms a fine coating that
covers everything, but it is harmless. See my related post for the equations.

50% RH @ 20\'C is ~8 grams of water per m^3

 

[Mike Monett]

Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

[...]

> if you need both heat and humidity, just boil some water?

It takes about 1.5 KW to bring the apartment to a comfortable temperature.
That would destroy an electrolytic humidifier.

My ultrasonic humidifier takes very little power, perhaps 10W or so. The tiny
switching power supply doesn\'t even get warm.



--
MRM

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

mandag den 11. april 2022 kl. 22.15.10 UTC+2 skrev Mike Monett:

Lasse Langwadt Christensen <lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:
[...]
if you need both heat and humidity, just boil some water?
It takes about 1.5 KW to bring the apartment to a comfortable temperature.
That would destroy an electrolytic humidifier.

put a pot of water on the stove...

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 13:22:25 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 08:47:31 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

mandag den 11. april 2022 kl. 16.53.13 UTC+2 skrev Commander Kinsey:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 15:47:19 +0100, Arie de Muijnck <eternal....@ademu.com> wrote:

On 2022-04-11 16:31, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Don\'t ultrasonic humidifiers cause mineral deposition nearby? Maybe
not if one uses good distilled water.

Yes, they do, extensively.

I had the environment covered in a fine dust within weeks.

Even stranger, in the kitchen at the other end of the apartment, gas
flames became orange/red, see for a test:
https://ademu.home.xs4all.nl/Humidifier/Ultrasonic-humidifier-effect-on-gas-flame.mp4
So, after I edited that shit to remove the pointless <>, I find some idiot putting damp air into a gas flame, what was your point?
I find distilled water at EUR 0.5 / liter too expensive for using up to 5 liters per day...
I find no such problems. All it does is make the air more humid. Why the fuck would that cause deposits?

because it doesn\'t turn the water into vapor, it turns the water, and what ever minerals in it, into tiny droplets and spread them in the air

Right. Evaporation keeps the solids behind. Spraying doesn\'t.

Our water is naturally acidic, which would eat pipes, so it\'s passed
over limestone chips or something. That coats pipes and protects them.
It will make the deposits.



I have an ancient (1960-vintage) DeVilbiss mains-powered vapourizer that
we use when somebody has a lower-respiratory bug. It\'s a glass jar
holding a gallon or so, and a Bakelite lid containing two plated steel
electrodes that get dunked into the water. They\'re covered by a
Bakelite cylinder with a hole in the bottom, and the steam from the
boiling water gets directed out a hole in the top.

The steam production can be regulated with a little bit of borax in the
water if needed. (Salt works but eventually eats the electrodes.)

Simple, works great, no moving parts, no Legionnaire\'s disease or lime
dust on the rug. Cheap on eBay. Good Medicine.

It does heat the room a little bit, but not enough to worry about.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I was having nasty breathing problems up in the mountains, where it\'s
very dry; I grew up the the tropics.

I tried several commercial humidifiers, which didn\'t work well, and
you have to go outside eventually anyhow.

I got a sinus RF cautery session to open things up. 20 minutes changed
my life.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 13:19:56 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

mandag den 11. april 2022 kl. 22.15.10 UTC+2 skrev Mike Monett:
Lasse Langwadt Christensen <lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:
[...]
if you need both heat and humidity, just boil some water?
It takes about 1.5 KW to bring the apartment to a comfortable temperature.
That would destroy an electrolytic humidifier.

put a pot of water on the stove...

The pot will get all cruddy pretty soon.
--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 19:13:15 +0200, Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid>
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 08:58:04 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com,
another typical senile airhead, blathered:


NOT in the case of a well-known, PROVEN clinically insane trolling attention
whore like \"PHucker\"! <BG> If you need proof, I can post it here. ;-)

I prefer that you post something intelligent on topic.

I prefer that you senile airheads stop feeding that WELL-KNOWN and PROVEN
clinically insane trolling attention whore! Capisci?

What do you do in real life?

None of yours, senile blabbermouth! You may ask your senile \"friends\" on
Usenet that question. From what I\'ve seen, the senile assholes that took
over Usenet are just too happy to keep talking about their personal lives
and outstanding achievements ...and feeding the trolls! <BG

Your life sounds generally depressing.

Try electronics. It\'s fun.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

 

[Phil Hobbs]

Mike Monett wrote:

Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

[...]

I have an ancient (1960-vintage) DeVilbiss mains-powered vapourizer that
we use when somebody has a lower-respiratory bug. It\'s a glass jar
holding a gallon or so, and a Bakelite lid containing two plated steel
electrodes that get dunked into the water. They\'re covered by a
Bakelite cylinder with a hole in the bottom, and the steam from the
boiling water gets directed out a hole in the top.

The steam production can be regulated with a little bit of borax in the
water if needed. (Salt works but eventually eats the electrodes.)

Simple, works great, no moving parts, no Legionnaire\'s disease or lime
dust on the rug. Cheap on eBay. Good Medicine.

It does heat the room a little bit, but not enough to worry about.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

How long does it take to evaporate a gallon?

Depends on the salt content of the water--generally about 12 hours round
here. A Variac or even a triac dimmer could probably adjust it as desired.

My ultrasonic mister takes about 24 hrs to evaporate 4 litres, which is
1.06 gallons. This raises the humidity from 20% to 40% and stops the
chapped lips and sore sinuses. The white film that covers everything is
harmless and is a small price to pay, but I wonder if a steamer could do as
well.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


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