Wind turbines used to absorb a power surplus?...

[Peeler]

On 19 Mar 2023 03:08:27 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

I have some but it\'s because the electric company sent out LED
replacements before the original batch of CFSs burned out.

HIGHLY interesting! Just like everything about you and your grand
personality, Trumptard. LOL

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[Peeler]

On 19 Mar 2023 02:53:57 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> My electric bill varies monthly

Thrilling information about you again. People can\'t seem to get enough info
about your life! <BG>

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[alan_m]

On 19/03/2023 08:43, SteveW wrote:

Mine had new tails too, despite their being nothing wrong with the old
ones. When the previous dumb meter was changed the previous year, they
added blue and brown identifiers to the ends of the existing grey
sheathed cables. Apparently that is no longer good enough and when they
later changed it to a Smart-meter, they had to change them to new blue
and brown sheathed cables.

My suppliers doesn\'t arrange to fit an isolator either - that\'s an extra
£130 if you want one!!!

Zero extra cost to me for fitting the switch.

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[Peeler]

On 19 Mar 2023 05:58:40 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> I don\'t think

I know! It\'s your mouth who has a life of its own and just keep blathering
away all by itself, while you keep listening to yourself talking, full of
admiration. LOL

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[Peeler]

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[alan_m]

On 19/03/2023 08:32, SteveW wrote:

On 19/03/2023 00:48, alan_m wrote:

Snip

Smart meters are not compulsory and many people have refused the offer
to have them fitted. There has been quite a lot of adverse publicity
recently surrounding smart meters. With energy prices doubling many
hundreds of thousands are struggling paying for their energy. The
energy companies have been programming smart meters to become
pre-payment meters overnight for these people.  This is not just more
inconvenient but a more expensive way of pay for energy - although the
price difference compared to us who pay by direct debit will end in
July this year.

That still won\'t end the problem of those on pre-payment meters having
to meet their peak (winter) costs up-front, while those of us on monthly
Direct Debits can average the cost out over the whole year.

It will not end the problem with the ongoing debt either as pre-payment
customers may have the same tariffs for 1kWh after July but the pre
payment will also need to cover x% of the ongoing debt.



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[alan_m]

On 19/03/2023 03:37, micky wrote:

There was, a few years ago, also a lot ofadverse publicity, but iirc it
was nonsense about radiation (even though the transmission is only for a
few seconds once a month, far less than loads of other things.)

You just need to point out that most peoples Wi-fi will operate at the
dangerous 5GHz.

The 5G mobile phone (cell phone) masts causing Covid. Here in the UK the
government took the opportunity to insert a tracking device under the
skin with every Covid vaccination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du8yQeQdMBk

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[SteveW]

On 19/03/2023 09:10, alan_m wrote:

On 19/03/2023 08:32, SteveW wrote:
On 19/03/2023 00:48, alan_m wrote:

Snip

Smart meters are not compulsory and many people have refused the
offer to have them fitted. There has been quite a lot of adverse
publicity recently surrounding smart meters. With energy prices
doubling many hundreds of thousands are struggling paying for their
energy. The energy companies have been programming smart meters to
become pre-payment meters overnight for these people.  This is not
just more inconvenient but a more expensive way of pay for energy -
although the price difference compared to us who pay by direct debit
will end in July this year.

That still won\'t end the problem of those on pre-payment meters having
to meet their peak (winter) costs up-front, while those of us on
monthly Direct Debits can average the cost out over the whole year.

It will not end the problem with the ongoing debt either as pre-payment
customers may have the same tariffs for 1kWh after July but the pre
payment will also need to cover x% of the ongoing debt.

Although that would be true of those on a credit meter too.

 

[SteveW]

On 19/03/2023 09:00, alan_m wrote:

On 19/03/2023 08:43, SteveW wrote:


Mine had new tails too, despite their being nothing wrong with the old
ones. When the previous dumb meter was changed the previous year, they
added blue and brown identifiers to the ends of the existing grey
sheathed cables. Apparently that is no longer good enough and when
they later changed it to a Smart-meter, they had to change them to new
blue and brown sheathed cables.

My suppliers doesn\'t arrange to fit an isolator either - that\'s an
extra £130 if you want one!!!


Zero extra cost to me for fitting the switch.

I depends where you are and who you are with. They definitely wanted to
charge to fit one for me.

I ended up fitting one myself. As the existing consumer unit and the new
switch are both plastic cased and the whole lot is in a brick cupboard
with wooden back board and doors, there is nothing metallic to
accidentally short to, other than the earth connection at the diagonally
opposite corner of the cupboard. I thus felt reasonably safe, wearing
thick rubber gloves, moving the existing tails, live, into the switch
and adding new tails from switch to CU, before they came to change the
meter.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 18-Mar-23 10:23 pm, Frank wrote:

On 3/18/2023 5:39 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
An electrician (who I don\'t believe) told me if there\'s too much power
on the grid, they use wind turbines as fans to absorb extra power.  Is
this really true?  Aren\'t there plenty of power stations they can just
turn down a bit?  Take your foot off the gas so to speak?

I was also disturbed to hear from him it costs £700 to install smart
meters into each home.  And in the UK that comes from green tax.
Shouldn\'t that tax be being spent on making more green energy,
building new wind farms?

Does not make any sense.  I think it is done with hydroelectric where
water is pumped back up at night when usage is down but what do you do,
pump back wind?

I don\'t think the OP intended to suggest that this was used as a way to
store energy, just as a way to get rid of it.

Sylvia.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 11:54:41 -0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

On 18/03/2023 11:17, Sylvia Else wrote:

On balance, then, I doubt that using wind turbines as fans is real.

How do you think a wind farm works when there is no wind? For 50% of the
windmills you turn on the fan mode so the rest of them can generate
electricity. It\'s the perfect perpetual motion scheme on a gigantic scale.

I wonder if we covered the world in wind farms, would we use up some wind and the weather would be nicer?

 

[Ricky]

On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 8:27:39 AM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 11:54:41 -0000, alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

On 18/03/2023 11:17, Sylvia Else wrote:

On balance, then, I doubt that using wind turbines as fans is real.

How do you think a wind farm works when there is no wind? For 50% of the
windmills you turn on the fan mode so the rest of them can generate
electricity. It\'s the perfect perpetual motion scheme on a gigantic scale.

I wonder if we covered the world in wind farms, would we use up some wind and the weather would be nicer?

Is this guy Larkin posting under a pen name?

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[alan_m]

On 19/03/2023 12:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 11:54:41 -0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

On 18/03/2023 11:17, Sylvia Else wrote:

On balance, then, I doubt that using wind turbines as fans is real.

How do you think a wind farm works when there is no wind? For 50% of the
windmills you turn on the fan mode so the rest of them can generate
electricity. It\'s the perfect perpetual motion scheme on a gigantic
scale.

I wonder if we covered the world in wind farms, would we use up some
wind and the weather would be nicer?

You just end up with a more turbulent wind stream

https://tinyurl.com/4wzkb6fe


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[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 19 Mar 2023 09:16:59 +0000, alan_m
<junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

On 19/03/2023 03:37, micky wrote:

There was, a few years ago, also a lot ofadverse publicity, but iirc it
was nonsense about radiation (even though the transmission is only for a
few seconds once a month, far less than loads of other things.)

You just need to point out that most peoples Wi-fi will operate at the
dangerous 5GHz.

Pointing things out doesn\'t work here. :-(

The 5G mobile phone (cell phone) masts causing Covid. Here in the UK the
government took the opportunity to insert a tracking device under the
skin with every Covid vaccination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du8yQeQdMBk

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 1:09:36 AM UTC+11, micky wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 19 Mar 2023 09:16:59 +0000, alan_m
ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

On 19/03/2023 03:37, micky wrote:

There was, a few years ago, also a lot of adverse publicity, but iirc it
was nonsense about radiation (even though the transmission is only for a
few seconds once a month, far less than loads of other things.)

You just need to point out that most peoples Wi-fi will operate at the
dangerous 5GHz.

Pointing things out doesn\'t work here. :-(

Pointing out utter nonsense doesn\'t work very well anywhere. There are people here who can learn from expert advice, but most of the advice offered here is anything but expert, and the lower the expertise the less likely they are to realise that they are offering bad advice.

The OP of this thread is remarkably inexpert, and entirely confident that he knows all he needs to.

The 5G mobile phone (cell phone) masts causing Covid. Here in the UK the
government took the opportunity to insert a tracking device under the
skin with every Covid vaccination.

The guy who posted that was probably being satirical, but there do seem to be people who believe that kind of nonsense - and a few of them post here. Skybuck Flying comes to mind.

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[Peeler]

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 13:42:22 +0000, anal_m, the notorious troll-feeding
senile retard, blathered again:

You just end up with a more turbulent wind stream

YOU will just end up with more of the Scottish wanker\'s endless farts in
your face, anal_m! <BG>

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 01:19:19 +0200, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:

On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 08:49:35 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 2:31:38?AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 10:49:57 +0000, alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk
wrote:
On 18/03/2023 09:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Shouldn\'t that tax be being spent on making more green energy, building
new wind farms?

Windmills will still be useless when there\'s no wind. Pity that there\'s no good way to store electricity.

None that John Larkin knows about.
Pumped hydroelectric storage has been popular for ages,


Pumped hydro requires two quite big lakes at quite close together with
a significant difference in height.Not all countries have such
conditions.

Some back of the envelope calculations:

Assuming 100 m height difference and 1000 m3/s through turbines(pumps.
The electric power is about 1 GW so it can deliver the power of only
330 wind turbines (each 3 MW).

If the water level is allowed to vary by 10 m, at 1000 m3/s stream a 1
km2 surface lake only lasts for 10000 seconds or 3 hours. Usable to
handle day peaks. To ride through a week long calm period, each lake
should have a 56 km2 surface area. This handles just the missed
production of 330 windmills !!

and grid scale batteries are being installed all over the place, but they don\'t look \"good\" to John Larkin.

The utility size batteries seems to be packed into sea containers
storing about 30 MWh. This will store the production of a _single_3 MW
wind turbine for 10 hours. Install a battery container at the base of
each turbine and the system can handle half a day missing wind
production. To handle a week of missing wind production, several
containers would be needed at every wind turbine. Not very cost
effective !!

Good stuff, but please be kind and don\'t confuse Sloman with numbers.

Use diesels or gas turbines to back up the missing wind production
during calm days.

That\'s expensive, having 100% of grid load backup sitting around doing
nothing most of the time. But it need not be \"at every wind turbine.\"

Generating power the way we\'re doing it isn\'t a problem that needs to
be solved. It is prudent to phase out or clean up the dirtiest coal
plants, but India and China are not going to stop building coal
plants, and Australia won\'t stop selling them the coal. Half the
people in Africa don\'t have electricity yet, and they have lots of
coal and NG too.

Natural gas is a great, reliable, clean, cheap power source, a gift to
humanity.