Wind turbines used to absorb a power surplus?...

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 17:17:34 +0100, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

On 3/30/2023 11:43 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 15:04:38 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 18:09:55 -0000, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 18/03/2023 16:38, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 11:29:24 +0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me..uk
wrote:

On 18/03/2023 11:17, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 18-Mar-23 8:39 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
An electrician (who I don\'t believe) told me if there\'s too much power
on the grid, they use wind turbines as fans to absorb extra power. Is
this really true? Aren\'t there plenty of power stations they can just
turn down a bit? Take your foot off the gas so to speak?

I was also disturbed to hear from him it costs £700 to install smart
meters into each home. And in the UK that comes from green tax..
Shouldn\'t that tax be being spent on making more green energy,
building new wind farms?

Coal fired power stations cannot change their output rapidly, and can be
willing to pay for the right to generate in preference to reducing output.

So the windfarm notion is not entirely implausible. However, wind
turbines use electronics to match the turbine output to the grid
frequency, and it seems unlikely that it\'s designed to operate in
reverse for the relatively rare occasions that that would be used.

On balance, then, I doubt that using wind turbines as fans is real.

That idea has probably come from the use of \"barring gear\". When not in
use, some wind turbines are electrically driven and turn slowly, to
prevent semi-permanent sagging of blades or shafts when left stationary
in one position.

Steam turbines on ships (now mostly diesels) engaged a \"turning gear\"
electric motor to slowly rotate things so a hot turbine shaft wouldn\'t
sag.

Steam ships used cheap fuel, basically street paving quality gunk, but
were so complex that it was hard to find crews to keep them running.
Diesels are much simpler.

And those also use street paving quality gunk, preheated to make it liquid.

Funny, I have some diesel in a gerry can here, it isn\'t gunk at room temperature.

Bunker C didn\'t flow at room temp.


Where I worked back in the 70s we used it for the steam boiler. Monday
morning the boiler was started on #2 oil and then a steam probe heated
the #6 to about 200 degree so it would flow.

The oil was delivered in insulated tankers and if not unloaded within
time it would gel and have to be heated.

The benefit to #6 was the price.

Couldn\'t they have made cars which automated this process?
 
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 17:10:06 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 30/03/2023 14:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 11:39:21 -0000, <upsidedown@downunder.com> wrote:

The problem with renewable overproduction is not a big issue, but
underproduction lasting several days is. IMHO oil/gas should be used
to address those periods when renewables are not available, but
greenies object also to this.

The only reason for green stuff is for when oil and gas run out.

At the moment the reason seems to be because of a childish argument with
Russia and their gas supply. The Ukraine ought to get back in the USSR
where it belongs.

Actually Kiev (however you want to spell it) was originally the capital
of Russia (at least of the Russian people); then it moved to Moscow, St
Petersburg and back to Moscow.

Indeed, Ukrainians are just Russians who want to be Europeans.

The Ukrainians recognise this, and some
want to rename the Russians \"Muscovites\".

Isn\'t that a mineral?
 
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 11:40:42 +0100, <upsidedown@downunder.com> wrote:

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 14:39:43 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 11:39:21 -0000, <upsidedown@downunder.com> wrote:


What to do with excess energy production during wind overproduction

In areas with mainly cooling loads, wind and solar overproduction can
be used to cool water in advance for air conditioning.

Water powered air conditioning?! Water isn\'t cold enough.

Air conditioning requires a lot of energy for moving heat from indoor
20 C to outdoor 30 C.

However, if the indoor heat is dumped into 0 to +20 C water, very
little energy is needed.

The specific heat for water is 4 kJ/kg/K, thus 80 kJ/kg can be dumped
when the water is warmed from 0 to +20 C.

If excess wind production is used to make ice, 330 kJ(kg can be dumped
while going from 0 C ice to 0 C water. If the water is then allowed to
warm to +20 C, a total of 410 kJ can be dumped. Assume a 1000 liter
ice(water tank that is 410 MJ that is over 100 kWh.

Using only water, 0 C to +20 C is still about 20 kWh.

The water sounds good, but the transport of ice could be a problem.
 
On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 01:08:11 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 18:45:59 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 04:30:02 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 10:48:16 -0700, John Larkin wrote:


We know some people who live in Inverness, who didn\'t have fast
internet.
A group of neighbors bought a cheap microwave link and piped in from a
friend across Tomales Bay. It\'s astounding what a Gbit microwave link
costs nowadays.

I use the Verizon wireless which works well except in heavy fog. Most
of the neighbors have dishes although I think most are for TVs. A bay
would be nice; we have these things called mountains. My former ISP had
a antenna on a local mountain but not one in my quasi line of sight.

Go up another mountain and stick a repeater there.

No room. There\'s more equipment on the other side of the hill.

https://missoulacurrent.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Point_Six_looking_North_at_Communication_Towers_-_panoramio-640x480.jpg

None of those transmit the data you\'re looking for? And I\'m sure you could put something else there, there\'s loads of open space.
 
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 18:22:27 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 16:08:36 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Vote Libertarian - minimal government for things like prosecuting
murderers.

I sometimes vote Libertarian if the other two choices suck. The
Libertarian party does well if it gets 3% of the vote so it is a non-vote.

That attitude is precisely why it\'s only 3%. Until morons stop tactical voting, you\'ll be stuck with the major parties. Just vote for who you want to get in.

The LP members I\'ve known personally tend to be slightly nuts and have a
much more optimistic view of human nature than I do.

Be more specific. What do you believe would go wrong?
 
On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 02:54:30 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On 1 Apr 2023 00:12:29 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 18:43:00 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:


The cap is 50p, I\'ve replaced many of them.


picofarads or pence?

50 pF electrolytic?

Due to lack of quoting, I\'m not sure what this is about. But the ones I can think of I mentioned recently were bulk caps in computer power supplies. Maybe for a ZX spectrum 50pF might work.

Why do people seperate the number from the units? You wrote 50 pF, I wrote 50pF.
 
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:50:11 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 31/03/2023 03:03, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 16:13:21 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

We need bigger wires between countries, it\'s always windy somewhere.

Bless!

https://sites.suffolk.edu/xenia/2016/02/17/nikola-tesla-and-his-work-in-wireless-energy-and-power-transfer/

Let\'s have a poll of how high the Commander\'s IQ is. I\'ll push at 75.

145 actually.

I said wires, not wireless.
 
On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 11:02:52 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

On 31/03/2023 03:03, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 16:13:21 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

We need bigger wires between countries, it\'s always windy somewhere.

When the wind doesn\'t blow in the UK it often doesn\'t blow over most of
Northern Europe so where are we going to route these bigger wires?

Connect every neighbouring country. Pass the electrons along.

> Russia perhaps, or some other country that may hold us to energy ransom?

Isn\'t it more like us holding them to ransom? The EU\'s crazy way of \"fighting\" a war?
 
On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 03:17:04 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 18:34:26 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 13:50:04 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

I can\'t be bothered looking that up. Do you have to have 50 billion
different names for each side? Conservative, Republican, GOP,
Liberal,
Democrat, WTF? Five words for 2 parties.

Not all conservatives are Republican and not all Republicans are
conservative.

Dafuq? There\'s only two major parties. I know of:

And I don\'t belong to either. I sometimes vote for the Republican
candidate because the Democrat is a complete waste of oxygen. Beyond that
neither party matches my preferences very well.
 
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:03:33 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 16:13:21 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

We need bigger wires between countries, it\'s always windy somewhere.

https://sites.suffolk.edu/xenia/2016/02/17/nikola-tesla-and-his-work-in-wireless-energy-and-power-transfer/

Should be possible, just pick a wavelength humans don\'t absorb, then make the equivalent of a microwave link like they do for communications, but fucking powerful.
 
On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 11:29:48 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

On 31/03/2023 16:08, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Bullshit. My next door neighbour has the original spinning disk meter
from 1979 when his house was built. They do not build them as they once
did, those meters just keep on running.


They claim there\'s a massive takeup of smart meters, yet when I phoned
to get mine (only because I was offered £100 credit, and because my old
meter was fucked)

Er, the old meters don\'t fail - they just keep running.

The 10 year target for replacing old style meters in the times long
before smart meters was for calibration purposes and not because they
were likely to completely fail within that time span.

My old meter wasn\'t mechanical. It was digital (because they\'d installed it to give me dual rate 10 years ago).
 
On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 01:11:30 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 18:44:54 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

And what\'s with the \"mail person\"? I suppose you have a personhole in
the road?

It\'s a contractor so the sex varies. I\'m not sure the current maillady
would like being called a mailman.

I\'ve never heard of a woman objecting to being called a somethingman. It\'s just a word.

Pissing her off wouldn\'t be wise since
the dumpsters are only a few steps from the cluster boxes.

It\'s illegal to disrupt the mail service. Film her/it doing it.

I get my mail delivered to my house. I live in a 1st world country.

Actually, we call it post. I wonder if we\'d invented email, it would be called epost?
 
On 8 Apr 2023 04:01:46 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> And I don\'t belong to either.

And that\'s exactly because you are such a great person, as we know by now,
and as all your posts keep telling us, time and again, ad nauseam! LMAO

--
Yet another thrilling story from the resident senile gossip\'s thrilling
life:
\"Around here you have to be careful to lock your car toward the end of
summer or somebody will leave a grocery sack full of zucchini in it.\"
 
On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 10:02:06 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>
 
On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 04:55:08 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

The LP members I\'ve known personally tend to be slightly nuts and have
a much more optimistic view of human nature than I do.

Be more specific. What do you believe would go wrong?

For a couple of examples: the financial industry lobbied for the removal
of the Glass-Steagall regulations and were successful in 1999. They used
the new found freedom to destroy themselves within 8 years.

More regulations were imposed. The Silicon Valley Bank, among others,
lobbied to have them loosened. The inevitable meltdown came even faster.

That\'s an entire industry of supposedly intelligent people that can\'t play
nice without supervision. The LP assumes the vast majority of people can
make intelligent decisions. I believe, almost by definition, that 50% of
the population has an IQ of 100 or less.
 
On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 04:53:52 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

https://missoulacurrent.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/
Point_Six_looking_North_at_Communication_Towers_-_panoramio-640x480.jpg

None of those transmit the data you\'re looking for? And I\'m sure you
could put something else there, there\'s loads of open space.

Apparently not. There are a couple of trails I hike where there are good
views of a peak with a lot of electronics -- and no cell phone coverage.
Once I\'m in view of year another electronics installation I have signal.
There are at least 6 mountain tops with various electronics that may or
may not be quasi line of sight depending on where you are.
 
On 08/04/2023 04:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 02:54:30 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On 1 Apr 2023 00:12:29 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 18:43:00 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:


The cap is 50p, I\'ve replaced many of them.


picofarads or pence?

50 pF electrolytic?

Due to lack of quoting, I\'m not sure what this is about.  But the ones I
can think of I mentioned recently were bulk caps in  computer power
supplies.  Maybe for a ZX spectrum 50pF might work.

Why do people seperate the number from the units?  You wrote 50 pF, I
wrote 50pF.

John is correct according to convention and you are wrong, as typical.

A government guide also endorses the space:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/116153/guide_to_authors.pdf

-- Why do some people write seperate rather than separate?
 
On 07/04/2023 23:53, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 23:20:49 +0100, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 07/04/2023 21:07, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 19:14:43 +0100, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 07/04/2023 18:00, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 15:34:52 +0100, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 07/04/2023 15:04, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 13:27:56 +0100, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 06/04/2023 15:56, John Larkin wrote:

snip

People who use female-derived insults don\'t like women. I really like
women.

Does that mean you don\'t respect women\'s failings?

I like gutsy people, people who have ideas and take risks, male and
female but especially female, because they are more fun to celibrate
with. People who take risks often fail... or they are holding back.

I was watching a stupid movie that involved some gambling at roulette.
If you bet on red or white, there is a 50:50 apparent risk, but there
is a house cut slot that reduces the probable return below unity.

If you design a lot of things, and half are commercial failures (about
what mine are) you lose your stake half the time, but the others pay
off 10:1, or sometimes 1000:1.


Perceived insults and facts overlap. Monthly grouchiness is one example.

I never noticed that, but you prefer to be grouchy and downer all the
time.

You\'ve never had a female boss, or if you had only dreamt of getting
into her knickers.

Don\'t be dumb and coarse. I\'ve had three lady bosses and only got
physically close to one, once, before she was my boss.

I\'ve worked for a few. My experiences are varied with one who at times
was a tyrant.

I now work for my younger daughter. She runs the businness and I
doodle schematics.

Sounds a nice arrangement.

Women and men have different attributes, some very obvious, others where
we\'re obliged to be in denial that the differences might exist.

I also like women. Occasionally even love them.


So many guys want women and don\'t like them.

In any class of people, the normal distribution is enormous, so one
can\'t stereotype abilities beyond obvious things like the ability to
bear children.

Women seem keen to stereotype men.

Irony alert!

When it comes to risk, stereotypes
abound for good reason. Similarly some forms of aggression but not all.

Stereotypes are usually the result of tribalism, not anything factual.
That\'s why people will fight and riot over silly stuff like \"our\"
sports teams, who are really just jocks for hire.

Emotion most always beats thinking.



There is a tendency for guys to do electronic design. I\'ve only met a
few serious female EEs, but they are awesome. I don\'t know if the
statistics there are genetic; maybe so.

I have yet to meet one. I have met a number competent female software
and mechanical design engineers.

I\'ve put it down to the ability to visualise things that aren\'t visual,
which perhaps ties into spacial awareness. But anyone highlighting these
sorts of differences is of course a misogynist. On the other hand we
could just accept the differences on a broader, more general scale.

I know guys who don\'t know which end of a screwdriver to grab. One has
a PhD in Engineering Mechanics.


Hmm, I think you\'re missing the point. There are both men and women who
aren\'t competent at anything. But in order to excel in a trade the
subject needs to come naturally with all the natural attributes. I would
suggest that more men have the attributes required for electronic design
than women, in much the same way women are more likely to enter a
profession like medicine and do well.


Of course. But knowing a person\'s gender does not tell you anything
but some probabilities.

Gender is statistically predictable in many professions. I don\'t see why
you think otherwise.

> I was not \"missing the point.\"

Then I can only presume you are in denial that there are both poor male
and female drivers yet only men will only ever be F1 Champions.
 
On 08/04/2023 05:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:50:11 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 31/03/2023 03:03, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 16:13:21 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

We need bigger wires between countries, it\'s always windy somewhere.

Bless!

https://sites.suffolk.edu/xenia/2016/02/17/nikola-tesla-and-his-work-in-wireless-energy-and-power-transfer/

Let\'s have a poll of how high  the Commander\'s IQ is. I\'ll push at 75.

145 actually.

That\'s a blatant lie on so many counts. Your behaviour is also more akin
to a 10 year old vying for attention.

When you use LTSpice and post here your netlist to predict the outcome
to your diode in series with a transformer issue then I will accept your
IQ may be over 100.

Until then 75 sounds a more accurate appraisal.
 
On 8 Apr 2023 14:04:17 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


Be more specific. What do you believe would go wrong?

For a couple of examples:

The proven clinically insane retarded troll asks a \"question\", and the
miserable resident bigmouth, braggart and American-superhero wannabe,
answers it servilely and THANKFULLY, every time!

Just WTF is WRONG with all those senile Yanks on Usenet??? LMAO

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