Wind turbines used to absorb a power surplus?...

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 08:57:48 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-03-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 20:58:06 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-03-21, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

That makes sense evolutionarily. If engineers weren\'t romantic, they
would be selected out of the population and everybody would be
artists.

Genetics isn\'t that simple.

At least we understand that critters that don\'t breed go extinct.

So the question is whether engineering talent is heritable. Of course
it is.

Assuming there are genetic components in engineering talent (and I\'m
not saying there isn\'t), it\'s possible that epigenetic factors determine
whether those genes will be expressed.

That\'s just part of how DNA works. The epis are mostly heritable too.

If learned skills are epigentically inherited, which they likely are,
engineering talent will really run in families, like math and music
and athletics.

 

[rbowman]

On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 21:59:11 -0700, John Larkin wrote:


> And even people who can\'t spell.

That always was the case. RPI had sort of a remedial English class for
some of the freshmen and it wasn\'t geared toward foreign students.

My brother, who was the actual rocket scientist in the family, couldn\'t
spell for sour owl shit. You didn\'t want him to be the guy painting
slogans on the missiles.

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 08:57:48 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

Assuming there are genetic components in engineering talent (and I\'m not
saying there isn\'t), it\'s possible that epigenetic factors determine
whether those genes will be expressed.

Yeah, like my family. Like many working class families the first kid to go
to college was going to be an engineer.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 12:23:06 AM UTC+11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 22/03/2023 04:57, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 20:58:06 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hami...@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-03-21, John Larkin <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

So the question is whether engineering talent is heritable. Of course
it is.
It is less genetics than familiarity. I came across a study done in
Apartheid S Africa where they evaluated competence in basic industrial
practice. Overwhelming the people who did best irrespective of race were
those whose parents understood and could handle machines.

If your parents had enough spatial insight to do well with machinery, you might have a better chance of inheriting the same talent, if it happened to be a heritable talent.

> It is terrifying how STEM inept I have seen intelligent bright children become whose parents were ArtStudents. They expect to fail.

What do you mean by \"become\"? If the parents had a talent in one of the arts which doesn\'t require spatial insight - some of them do - their kids might not have had the chance to inherit the particular talents which help STEM.

Science Technology, Engineering and Mathematics is a pretty broad field. Mathematics is actually an art, rather than a science, and scientists and engineers tend exploit the artistry of mathematicians rather than contributing original mathematical insights.

--
> Gun Control: The law that ensures that only criminals have guns.

Gun control is mainly aimed at confining guns to people who have a legitimate need to use them. People with criminal convictions or mental health problems can\'t be relied on to use them only for legitimate purposes. Australia has pretty effective gun control, and there are a lot of guns owned by non-criminals. It isn\'t perfect but we have a lot less gun crime than the US.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 13:22:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

It is less genetics than familiarity. I came across a study done in
Apartheid S Africa where they evaluated competence in basic industrial
practice. Overwhelming the people who did best irrespective of race were
those whose parents understood and could handle machines.
It is terrifying how STEM inept I have seen intelligent bright children
become whose parents were ArtStudents. They expect to fail.

The common wisdom when I was in school was if you wound up with an Indian
lab partner let them handle the paperwork. They were extremely good with
theory and a danger with a screwdriver. At least at that time upper middle
class Indian kids didn\'t spend their childhood working on the family
jalopy like most American kids who wound up in an engineering school.

I assume that has changed since the \'60s as India developed diverse
industries. The talent is there but wasn\'t encouraged by the British
colonialists. India is building better Royal Enfields that the Brits ever
did

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 1:44:38 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 08:57:48 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hami...@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-03-22, John Larkin <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 20:58:06 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hami...@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-03-21, John Larkin <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

That makes sense evolutionarily. If engineers weren\'t romantic, they
would be selected out of the population and everybody would be
artists.

Genetics isn\'t that simple.

At least we understand that critters that don\'t breed go extinct.

So the question is whether engineering talent is heritable. Of course
it is.

Assuming there are genetic components in engineering talent (and I\'m
not saying there isn\'t), it\'s possible that epigenetic factors determine
whether those genes will be expressed.

That\'s just part of how DNA works. The epis are mostly heritable too.

To some extent, but not for all that many generations.

\"Environmentally induced phenotypes can in this way persist for several generations, due to the transmission of molecular factors that determine how DNA is read and expressed\".

Engineering talent isn\'t a single inheritable trait. It\'s a lot of different skills, many of which will be heritable, but it\'s unlikely that you could select a line of good engineers in the same way that you could select a line of fast race-horses, and the particular skills you\'d be looking for would probably evolve as engineering developed, so your selected blood would become obseleter ather rapidly

> If learned skills are epigentically inherited, which they likely are,

Rubbish.

> engineering talent will really run in families, like math and music and athletics.

Really? Bach had a lot of kids and some of them survived and did well in music, but there\'s no famous modern descendant of Bach.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Peeler]

On 22 Mar 2023 15:10:17 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

That always was the case. RPI had sort of a remedial English class for
some of the freshmen and it wasn\'t geared toward foreign students.

My brother, who was the actual rocket scientist in the family, couldn\'t
spell for sour owl shit. You didn\'t want him to be the guy painting
slogans on the missiles.

Sounds like YOU always were the bigmouth in your pathetic \"family\", you
abnormal, endlessly gossiping swine!

--
Yet more of the so very interesting senile blather by lowbrowwoman:
\"My family loaded me into a \'51 Chevy and drove from NY to Seattle and
back in \'52. I\'m alive. The Chevy had a painted steel dashboard with two
little hand prints worn down to the primer because I liked to stand up
and lean on it to see where we were going.\"
MID: <j2kuc1F3ejsU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On 22 Mar 2023 15:13:50 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:



> Yeah, like my family.

How did your weird \"family\" cope with your big mouth? I mean, seriously, who
would ever want a pathological chatterbox, gossip and bigmouth like you to
stay around?

--
More typical idiotic senile gossip by lowbrowwoman:
\"It\'s been years since I\'ve been in a fast food burger joint but I used
to like Wendy\'s because they had a salad bar and baked potatoes.\"
MID: <ivdi4gF8btlU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On 22 Mar 2023 15:24:34 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

The common wisdom when I was in school was if you wound up with an Indian
lab partner let them handle the paperwork. They were extremely good with
theory and a danger with a screwdriver. At least at that time upper middle
class Indian kids didn\'t spend their childhood working on the family
jalopy like most American kids who wound up in an engineering school.

I assume that has changed since the \'60s as India developed diverse
industries. The talent is there but wasn\'t encouraged by the British
colonialists. India is building better Royal Enfields that the Brits ever
did

So much for the senile \"wisdom\" of our self-admiring resident bigmouth. LOL

--
More of the senile gossip\'s absolutely idiotic senile blather:
\"I stopped for breakfast at a diner in Virginia when the state didn\'t do
DST. I remarked on the time difference and the crusty old waitress said
\'We keep God\'s time in Virginia.\'

I also lived in Ft. Wayne for a while.\"

MID: <t0tjfa$6r5$1@dont-email.me>

 

[Bob F]

On 3/22/2023 1:18 AM, alan_m wrote:

On 22/03/2023 02:53, Rod Speed wrote:


Not gunna happen. There were enough engineers to fix the
2008 implosion of much of the world banking system fine.

I think from recent events you will find no-one fixed anything in the
banking system.  In 2008 it was exposure to some Micky Mouse financial
products that started the runs and 2023 it\'s likely to be exposure to
the collapsing Micky Mouse cyrpto market.

Funny how deregulation precedes each financial collapse.

 

[John Larkin]

On 22 Mar 2023 15:24:34 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 13:22:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

It is less genetics than familiarity. I came across a study done in
Apartheid S Africa where they evaluated competence in basic industrial
practice. Overwhelming the people who did best irrespective of race were
those whose parents understood and could handle machines.
It is terrifying how STEM inept I have seen intelligent bright children
become whose parents were ArtStudents. They expect to fail.

The common wisdom when I was in school was if you wound up with an Indian
lab partner let them handle the paperwork. They were extremely good with
theory and a danger with a screwdriver. At least at that time upper middle
class Indian kids didn\'t spend their childhood working on the family
jalopy like most American kids who wound up in an engineering school.

I assume that has changed since the \'60s as India developed diverse
industries. The talent is there but wasn\'t encouraged by the British
colonialists. India is building better Royal Enfields that the Brits ever
did

I think the caste system associated manual labor (which includes
manipulating physical objects, even on drawings) with lower classes.
So we got a lot of superb Indian theorists and fewer actual product
designers. I don\'t know if that is still the case.

A guy near here has a new Royal Enfield. Is that made in India? It\'s
beautiful in the classic British thumper style.

It\'s interesting that you don\'t see the electronics diversity or
semiconductor industry in India that you see in China. The Indians do
tend to be good at magnetics.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 22/03/2023 17:28, John Larkin wrote:

On 22 Mar 2023 15:24:34 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 13:22:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

It is less genetics than familiarity. I came across a study done in
Apartheid S Africa where they evaluated competence in basic industrial
practice. Overwhelming the people who did best irrespective of race were
those whose parents understood and could handle machines.
It is terrifying how STEM inept I have seen intelligent bright children
become whose parents were ArtStudents. They expect to fail.

The common wisdom when I was in school was if you wound up with an Indian
lab partner let them handle the paperwork. They were extremely good with
theory and a danger with a screwdriver. At least at that time upper middle
class Indian kids didn\'t spend their childhood working on the family
jalopy like most American kids who wound up in an engineering school.

I assume that has changed since the \'60s as India developed diverse
industries. The talent is there but wasn\'t encouraged by the British
colonialists. India is building better Royal Enfields that the Brits ever
did

I think the caste system associated manual labor (which includes
manipulating physical objects, even on drawings) with lower classes.
So we got a lot of superb Indian theorists and fewer actual product
designers. I don\'t know if that is still the case.

A neighbour here is the worts driver I have ever been driven by. He is
or was a Brahmin.
I gave up seeing him after my attempts to be kind were accepted as
simply his due as a higher caste being than myself. Fuck that.

A guy near here has a new Royal Enfield. Is that made in India? It\'s
beautiful in the classic British thumper style.

It\'s interesting that you don\'t see the electronics diversity or
semiconductor industry in India that you see in China. The Indians do
tend to be good at magnetics.

I had an Indian car mechanic for a while. Utterly superb, would *make*
parts from scrap to get old cars going. We used to sit and drink beer
together. I miss him.

--
When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over
the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that
authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

Frédéric Bastiat

 

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-03-22, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 13:22:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

It is less genetics than familiarity. I came across a study done in
Apartheid S Africa where they evaluated competence in basic industrial
practice. Overwhelming the people who did best irrespective of race were
those whose parents understood and could handle machines.
It is terrifying how STEM inept I have seen intelligent bright children
become whose parents were ArtStudents. They expect to fail.

The common wisdom when I was in school was if you wound up with an Indian
lab partner let them handle the paperwork. They were extremely good with
theory and a danger with a screwdriver. At least at that time upper middle
class Indian kids didn\'t spend their childhood working on the family
jalopy like most American kids who wound up in an engineering school.

Welcome to the 21st Century. I\'d bet $21 that most U.S. engineering
students didn\'t spend their childhood working on anything besides
their video game scores.

Just ask older engineers who have had to work with those fools.

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[alan_m]

On 22/03/2023 13:30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 22/03/2023 08:18, alan_m wrote:
On 22/03/2023 02:53, Rod Speed wrote:


Not gunna happen. There were enough engineers to fix the
2008 implosion of much of the world banking system fine.

I think from recent events you will find no-one fixed anything in the
banking system.  In 2008 it was exposure to some Micky Mouse financial
products that started the runs and 2023 it\'s likely to be exposure to
the collapsing Micky Mouse cyrpto market.

No. Crypto market is am irrelevance. Overwhelmingly the problem is
unbalanced asset allocation - at least in the California bank, with too
much money in Treasury bonds that the gummint rendered worthless by
raising interest rates. Plus too much investment in green energy startups.

Agreed, but the other big one in the same week to go down had assets in
crypto. Trillions have been wiped off the value of crypto in a matter of
months and at one time this was purchased with real money. Even with the
failure of FTX (valued at 32 billion and then to zero in a few months)
it\'s come to light that that fund managers from more respected companies
probably didn\'t perform any due diligence before investing. You cannot
lose when the bubble is expanding but when it bursts...

Not sure what the underlying issues at Credit Suisse were, but they were
there a decade ago.

Yes, I haven\'t been following that one too closely but it seems the
problems may have been there before 2008.



--
mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

 

[Rod Speed]

alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote

Rod Speed wrote

Not gunna happen. There were enough engineers to fix the
2008 implosion of much of the world banking system fine.

I think from recent events you will find no-one fixed anything in the
banking system.

What was fixed at the time was the liquidity crisis.

In 2008 it was exposure to some Micky Mouse financial products that
started the runs and 2023 it\'s likely to be exposure to the collapsing
Micky Mouse cyrpto market.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 19:24:47 +1100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

On 22/03/2023 05:56, Jasen Betts wrote:

So about 10 times too big to go in the vaccine hypodermic needle.


Those pet chips were designed decades ago when mobile phones were the
size and weight of a couple of house bricks and were limited in
functionality. Electronics and nano technology has moved on considerably
since then

But we still can\'t do chips that allow monitoring of where
the chip is and have it small enough to be inserted using
a hyperdermic and have it self powered for decades.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 19:57:48 +1100, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
wrote:

On 2023-03-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 20:58:06 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-03-21, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:

That makes sense evolutionarily. If engineers weren\'t romantic, they
would be selected out of the population and everybody would be
artists.

Genetics isn\'t that simple.

At least we understand that critters that don\'t breed go extinct.

So the question is whether engineering talent is heritable. Of course
it is.

Assuming there are genetic components in engineering talent (and I\'m
not saying there isn\'t), it\'s possible that epigenetic factors determine
whether those genes will be expressed.

Not convinced about that. Even with little kids, its obvious which
ones have the mechanical and electrical aptitude and interest.

 

[Peeler]

On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 08:16:24 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Pomegranate Bastard addressing the trolling senile cretin from Oz:
\"I repeat, you are a complete and utter imbecile.\"
MID: <mpelth1engag7090piqvqp85pco7nphoal@4ax.com>

 

[Peeler]

On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 08:20:02 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
dennis@home to senile know-it-all Rodent Speed:
\"You really should stop commenting on things you know nothing about.\"
Message-ID: <pCVTC.283711$%L2.214599@fx40.am4>

 

[Peeler]

On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 08:24:25 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Sqwertz to Rodent Speed:
\"This is just a hunch, but I\'m betting you\'re kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID: <ev1p6ml7ywd5$.dlg@sqwertz.com>