Wind turbines used to absorb a power surplus?...

On 20/03/2023 23:31, SteveW wrote:
On 20/03/2023 18:13, Scott Lurndal wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
On 18/03/2023 11:17, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 18-Mar-23 8:39 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
An electrician (who I don\'t believe) told me if there\'s too much power
on the grid, they use wind turbines as fans to absorb extra power.  Is
this really true?  Aren\'t there plenty of power stations they can just
turn down a bit?  Take your foot off the gas so to speak?

I was also disturbed to hear from him it costs £700 to install smart
meters into each home.  And in the UK that comes from green tax.
Shouldn\'t that tax be being spent on making more green energy,
building new wind farms?

Coal fired power stations cannot change their output rapidly,
Tell that to any operator of a steam locomotive.

There are massive differences between steam locomotives and
plants that generate electricity using steam.

No, there are really not


? Of course they can.
All reliable generators except hydro take a bit of time to get steam up,
but there is energy in to boilers to cope with medium term peaks of a
few minutes.

A given generator needs to spin at a specific frequency, and the
margins on
that frequency are very small.

Where multiple generators are fed from a common steam prime mover, the
startup
time for any one generator is on the order of 10\'s of minutes - far too
long to respond to large changes in demand.
They arent starting from cold. They are running at maybe 80%. Responses
to steam throttles are instantanoous

Grid management predicts loads and they have steam up and turbines
spinning before the large increase in demand, with increased output from
already producing station, pumped storage, gas turbine, diesel, etc. to
fill rapid increases until other producers can be brought online.

You missed steam out of that list.


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On 21/03/2023 05:18, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 19:15:18 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Well all that happens if you feed birds is you get more birds, and then
they all die of something other than starvation.

That was the upstate NY dynamic. The paper would run photos of deer yarded
up in the deep snow and starving so someone would organize a hay airlift.
Next year, more deer yarded up and starving.

The same dynamic happens with human populations.

Here they dint shoot any deer for a few years. I saw over a hundred in a
herd. The next year they got professional hunter in to get them down to
the 10-20 herd sizes.

They have destroyed about 80% of anything I ever planted.

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On 21/03/2023 07:26, alan_m wrote:
On 20/03/2023 21:10, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 20-Mar-23 19:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Total myth

Domestic cats may carry 2.4 million dead birds into the house  as
gifts. Bit no vcat can catch a bird that is able to fly.,

\"No cat can catch a bird that is able to fly\"?!?

My neighbours cat ambushes birds coming to a bird feeder.  As the birds
fly in to perch it pounces jumping three feet in the air and catches
them still in flight.

Pigeons feed on the ground under bird feeders and seem easy prey for
cats although once the area is covered in feathers they become very wary
about landing for a few days.  This shows why the old country practice
of protecting crops worked - killing crows and leaving the corpses in
the field.  Probably not too effective these days where kites and
buzzards are no longer exterminated and have been re-introduced to
areas. These birds will very quickly spot the dead crow and eat it.
Those aren\'t birds. They are social security scroungers
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On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 02:26:52 +1100, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On 21 Mar 2023 05:21:03 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 11:36:29 -0700, John Larkin wrote:


This is a sweet rom-com:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wild_Parrots_of_Telegraph_Hill

I\'ve seen the film but missed the rom-com part I guess. Too focused on
the
birds to observe the humans.

I\'m kind of autistic and don\'t much care for people or music or art,
but I love romantic stories [1]. I guess the tiny mating part of my
brain survived being crowded out by electronics.

That makes sense evolutionarily. If engineers weren\'t romantic, they
would be selected out of the population and everybody would be
artists.

Depends on what you mean by romantic.

Most are into fucking.

There must be a reason that some women, generally great women, like
enginers but I haven\'t figured out why.

[1] Favorite book A Damsel In Distress
tied with The Art Of Electronics

Favorite movie Pride and Prejudice 2005
 
On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 03:53:51 +1100, \"Rod Speed\"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 02:26:52 +1100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On 21 Mar 2023 05:21:03 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 11:36:29 -0700, John Larkin wrote:


This is a sweet rom-com:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wild_Parrots_of_Telegraph_Hill

I\'ve seen the film but missed the rom-com part I guess. Too focused on
the
birds to observe the humans.

I\'m kind of autistic and don\'t much care for people or music or art,
but I love romantic stories [1]. I guess the tiny mating part of my
brain survived being crowded out by electronics.

That makes sense evolutionarily. If engineers weren\'t romantic, they
would be selected out of the population and everybody would be
artists.

Depends on what you mean by romantic.

Most are into fucking.

For some people, that is a component of romance.
 
On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 02:40:50 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

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On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 03:53:51 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 04:17:26 +1100, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 03:53:51 +1100, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 02:26:52 +1100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On 21 Mar 2023 05:21:03 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 11:36:29 -0700, John Larkin wrote:


This is a sweet rom-com:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wild_Parrots_of_Telegraph_Hill

I\'ve seen the film but missed the rom-com part I guess. Too focused on
the
birds to observe the humans.

I\'m kind of autistic and don\'t much care for people or music or art,
but I love romantic stories [1]. I guess the tiny mating part of my
brain survived being crowded out by electronics.

That makes sense evolutionarily. If engineers weren\'t romantic, they
would be selected out of the population and everybody would be
artists.

Depends on what you mean by romantic.

Most are into fucking.

For some people, that is a component of romance.

For plenty its the fucking that they are into, no romance involved.
 
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 07:26:40 +0000, alan_m wrote:

This shows why the old country practice of protecting crops worked -
killing crows and leaving the corpses in the field.

Sometimes dead coyotes are hung off a fence on that theory. Other things
too.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45968606
 
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 16:51:41 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Here they dint shoot any deer for a few years. I saw over a hundred in a
herd. The next year they got professional hunter in to get them down to
the 10-20 herd sizes.

https://helenair.com/news/local/fwp-approves-removal-of-250-helena-deer-the-biggest-quota-to-date/article_50a78bab-c760-5ccd-837d-2e3fc27ecea3.html
 
On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 02:40:50 +1100, \"Rod Speed\"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 18:26:40 +1100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

On 20/03/2023 21:10, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 20-Mar-23 19:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Total myth

Domestic cats may carry 2.4 million dead birds into the house as
gifts. Bit no vcat can catch a bird that is able to fly.,
\"No cat can catch a bird that is able to fly\"?!?

My neighbours cat ambushes birds coming to a bird feeder. As the birds
fly in to perch it pounces jumping three feet in the air and catches
them still in flight.

Yeah seem a few video shorts of cats doing that.

But I doubt many birds die like that.

Lots of cats can do that - I\'ve seen it done many times.

When I was a kid, the family cat was a Siamese female who weighed
something like 7 pounds. She could jump straight up six feet, and
land gracefully on the top edge of a door left ajar.

She was hell on local birds and stable rats.

Joe Gwinn
 
On 2023-03-21, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
That makes sense evolutionarily. If engineers weren\'t romantic, they
would be selected out of the population and everybody would be
artists.

Genetics isn\'t that simple.

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On 21 Mar 2023 20:10:28 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


Sometimes dead coyotes are hung off a fence on that theory. Other things
too.

How much shit will you still squeeze out of your sick head and into these
poor newsgroups, you abnormal bigmouth?

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On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 06:33:58 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
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On 21 Mar 2023 20:15:53 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
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> https://helenair.com/news/local/fwp-approves-removal-of-250-helena-deer-the-biggest-quota-to-date/article_50a78bab-c760-5ccd-837d-2e3fc27ecea3.html

WTF has your latest senile shit got to do with these poor ngs, you perverted
bigmouth?

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On 21/03/2023 20:58, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-03-21, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

That makes sense evolutionarily. If engineers weren\'t romantic, they
would be selected out of the population and everybody would be
artists.

Genetics isn\'t that simple.

I think it is. We are now flooded ruled and shouted down by ArtStudents™

The economy and society will collapse under its own weight and there
wont be any competent engineers left to fix it.

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and people tell those stories because everyone important believes them.
Indeed, when a conventional wisdom is at its fullest strength, one’s
agreement with that conventional wisdom becomes almost a litmus test of
one’s suitability to be taken seriously.”

Paul Krugman
 
On 3/21/2023 1:58 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-03-21, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

That makes sense evolutionarily. If engineers weren\'t romantic, they
would be selected out of the population and everybody would be
artists.

Genetics isn\'t that simple.

Sure it is. Engineers have reliable jobs. That gives them a big plus.
 
On 3/21/2023 8:29 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 3/21/2023 1:58 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-03-21, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

That makes sense evolutionarily. If engineers weren\'t romantic, they
would be selected out of the population and everybody would be
artists.

Genetics isn\'t that simple.


Sure it is. Engineers have reliable jobs. That gives them a big plus.

Times are changing. They even let wimmins be ingineers now.
 
On 3/21/2023 5:41 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/21/2023 8:29 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 3/21/2023 1:58 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-03-21, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

That makes sense evolutionarily. If engineers weren\'t romantic, they
would be selected out of the population and everybody would be
artists.

Genetics isn\'t that simple.


Sure it is. Engineers have reliable jobs. That gives them a big plus.

Times are changing.  They even let wimmins be ingineers now.

What I said applies to women engineers also.
 
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 20:41:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Times are changing. They even let wimmins be ingineers now.

In 1966 the male to female ratio was 19:1 at RPI and the school was ranked
with MIT and CalTech. In 2016 the ratio ws 2.1:1 and the ranking has
slipped considerably. Just saying...

The valedictorian of my class was a woman; after attending the graduation
ceremony she returned to her dorm room and attempted suicide. She was a ME
and I didn\'t know her well but from what her friends said her family had
been driving her from kindergarten onward. She didn\'t succeed.

I had at least one professor who was a total prick towards the coeds. They
also had a strange status of being housed at Russell Sage, a women\'s
college. Pain in the ass, curfews, housemothers from hell.
 

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