Wind turbines used to absorb a power surplus?...

[Rod Speed]

On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 02:24:34 +1100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 13:22:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

It is less genetics than familiarity. I came across a study done in
Apartheid S Africa where they evaluated competence in basic industrial
practice. Overwhelming the people who did best irrespective of race were
those whose parents understood and could handle machines.
It is terrifying how STEM inept I have seen intelligent bright children
become whose parents were ArtStudents. They expect to fail.

The common wisdom when I was in school was if you wound up with an Indian
lab partner let them handle the paperwork. They were extremely good with
theory and a danger with a screwdriver. At least at that time upper
middle
class Indian kids didn\'t spend their childhood working on the family
jalopy like most American kids who wound up in an engineering school.

I assume that has changed since the \'60s as India developed diverse
industries. The talent is there but wasn\'t encouraged by the British
colonialists.

That\'s overstated with the railways particularly.

India is building better Royal Enfields that the Brits ever
did

 

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[Rod Speed]

On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 04:28:33 +1100, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On 22 Mar 2023 15:24:34 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 13:22:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

It is less genetics than familiarity. I came across a study done in
Apartheid S Africa where they evaluated competence in basic industrial
practice. Overwhelming the people who did best irrespective of race
were
those whose parents understood and could handle machines.
It is terrifying how STEM inept I have seen intelligent bright children
become whose parents were ArtStudents. They expect to fail.

The common wisdom when I was in school was if you wound up with an
Indian
lab partner let them handle the paperwork. They were extremely good with
theory and a danger with a screwdriver. At least at that time upper
middle
class Indian kids didn\'t spend their childhood working on the family
jalopy like most American kids who wound up in an engineering school.

I assume that has changed since the \'60s as India developed diverse
industries. The talent is there but wasn\'t encouraged by the British
colonialists. India is building better Royal Enfields that the Brits
ever
did

I think the caste system associated manual labor (which includes
manipulating physical objects, even on drawings) with lower classes.
So we got a lot of superb Indian theorists and fewer actual product
designers. I don\'t know if that is still the case.

Dunno, we currently have a Brahman in another group
who is into both the theory and physical product, in his
case high tech rail guns. Corse he is a complete nutter
who claims to have invented what google does so well,
believes that Einstein got it wrong and that the moon
landing never happened and was faked.

No idea how good his rail gun is, but our military isnt interested.

A guy near here has a new Royal Enfield. Is that made in India? It\'s
beautiful in the classic British thumper style.

It\'s interesting that you don\'t see the electronics diversity or
semiconductor industry in India that you see in China. The Indians do
tend to be good at magnetics.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 04:40:50 +1100, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
wrote:

On 2023-03-22, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 13:22:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

It is less genetics than familiarity. I came across a study done in
Apartheid S Africa where they evaluated competence in basic industrial
practice. Overwhelming the people who did best irrespective of race
were
those whose parents understood and could handle machines.
It is terrifying how STEM inept I have seen intelligent bright children
become whose parents were ArtStudents. They expect to fail.

The common wisdom when I was in school was if you wound up with an
Indian
lab partner let them handle the paperwork. They were extremely good with
theory and a danger with a screwdriver. At least at that time upper
middle
class Indian kids didn\'t spend their childhood working on the family
jalopy like most American kids who wound up in an engineering school.

Welcome to the 21st Century. I\'d bet $21 that most U.S. engineering
students didn\'t spend their childhood working on anything besides
their video game scores.

I wouldnt bet that.

> Just ask older engineers who have had to work with those fools.

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 10:29:45 +1100, \"Rod Speed\"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 04:28:33 +1100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On 22 Mar 2023 15:24:34 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 13:22:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

It is less genetics than familiarity. I came across a study done in
Apartheid S Africa where they evaluated competence in basic industrial
practice. Overwhelming the people who did best irrespective of race
were
those whose parents understood and could handle machines.
It is terrifying how STEM inept I have seen intelligent bright children
become whose parents were ArtStudents. They expect to fail.

The common wisdom when I was in school was if you wound up with an
Indian
lab partner let them handle the paperwork. They were extremely good with
theory and a danger with a screwdriver. At least at that time upper
middle
class Indian kids didn\'t spend their childhood working on the family
jalopy like most American kids who wound up in an engineering school.

I assume that has changed since the \'60s as India developed diverse
industries. The talent is there but wasn\'t encouraged by the British
colonialists. India is building better Royal Enfields that the Brits
ever
did

I think the caste system associated manual labor (which includes
manipulating physical objects, even on drawings) with lower classes.
So we got a lot of superb Indian theorists and fewer actual product
designers. I don\'t know if that is still the case.

Dunno, we currently have a Brahman in another group
who is into both the theory and physical product, in his
case high tech rail guns. Corse he is a complete nutter
who claims to have invented what google does so well,
believes that Einstein got it wrong and that the moon
landing never happened and was faked.

No idea how good his rail gun is, but our military isnt interested.

It\'s hard to beat chemical explosives for energy density.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 17:40:50 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-03-22, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 13:22:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

It is less genetics than familiarity. I came across a study done in
Apartheid S Africa where they evaluated competence in basic industrial
practice. Overwhelming the people who did best irrespective of race were
those whose parents understood and could handle machines.
It is terrifying how STEM inept I have seen intelligent bright children
become whose parents were ArtStudents. They expect to fail.

The common wisdom when I was in school was if you wound up with an Indian
lab partner let them handle the paperwork. They were extremely good with
theory and a danger with a screwdriver. At least at that time upper middle
class Indian kids didn\'t spend their childhood working on the family
jalopy like most American kids who wound up in an engineering school.

Welcome to the 21st Century. I\'d bet $21 that most U.S. engineering
students didn\'t spend their childhood working on anything besides
their video game scores.

Just ask older engineers who have had to work with those fools.

It fun, tragic fun, to interview the average EE recent grad.
Whiteboard a 10 volt battery and a 9K:1K voltage divider, and ask for
the drop across the 1K. Panic.

Or ask them about their senior project. That can be hilarious.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 4:28:48 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:

On 22 Mar 2023 15:24:34 GMT, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 13:22:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

<snip>

I think the caste system associated manual labor (which includes
manipulating physical objects, even on drawings) with lower classes.
So we got a lot of superb Indian theorists and fewer actual product
designers. I don\'t know if that is still the case.

It probably isn\'t. It\'s cheaper to teach theory than practice. At one point I noticed that Russians journals were still publishig stuff about valve circuits, and Indian authors were mostly publishing stuff about one and two transistor circuits.

If you can\'t afford to buy integrated circuits to play with, yo don\'t have much choice.

<snip>

> It\'s interesting that you don\'t see the electronics diversity or semiconductor industry in India that you see in China. The Indians do tend to be good at magnetics.

It\'s a lot cheaper to buy transformer cores than it is to set up a semiconductor fabrication line.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 10:22:52 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 3/22/2023 1:18 AM, alan_m wrote:
On 22/03/2023 02:53, Rod Speed wrote:


Not gunna happen. There were enough engineers to fix the 2008
implosion of much of the world banking system fine.

I think from recent events you will find no-one fixed anything in the
banking system.  In 2008 it was exposure to some Micky Mouse financial
products that started the runs and 2023 it\'s likely to be exposure to
the collapsing Micky Mouse cyrpto market.


Funny how deregulation precedes each financial collapse.

The FIRE people are extremely good at sawing off the branch they\'re
sitting on. Every time they\'re rescued they promise they\'ll never do
stupid things again. That lasts a few years if we\'re lucky.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 12:25:07 PM UTC-7, alan_m wrote:

On 22/03/2023 13:30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/03/2023 08:18, alan_m wrote:
On 22/03/2023 02:53, Rod Speed wrote:


Not gunna happen. There were enough engineers to fix the
2008 implosion of much of the world banking system fine.

I think from recent events you will find no-one fixed anything in the
banking system. In 2008 it was exposure to some Micky Mouse financial
products that started the runs and 2023 it\'s likely to be exposure to
the collapsing Micky Mouse cyrpto market.

No. Crypto market is am irrelevance. Overwhelmingly the problem is
unbalanced asset allocation - at least in the California bank, with too
much money in Treasury bonds that the gummint rendered worthless by
raising interest rates. Plus too much investment in green energy startups.
Agreed, but the other big one in the same week to go down had assets in
crypto. Trillions have been wiped off the value of crypto in a matter of
months and at one time this was purchased with real money. Even with the
failure of FTX (valued at 32 billion and then to zero in a few months)
it\'s come to light that that fund managers from more respected companies
probably didn\'t perform any due diligence before investing. You cannot
lose when the bubble is expanding but when it bursts...

Not sure what the underlying issues at Credit Suisse were, but they were
there a decade ago.
Yes, I haven\'t been followingyears of that one too closely but it seems the
problems may have been there before 2008.

Just years of making swiss cheese on the book:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/16/investing/why-credit-suisse-is-struggling/index.html

But the bail-out is making regulators incredible (not credible), why bail-out bag holders before bond holders?

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 10:28:33 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

A guy near here has a new Royal Enfield. Is that made in India? It\'s
beautiful in the classic British thumper style.

Yes. After Independence India chose the Bullet for the Army\'s motorcycle.
As years went on the bikes were assembled in India, but eventually they
bought the tooling in the \'60s. Over the years the quality improved and
they now are using new designs after they bought Harris Performance. In a
turnaround the 650cc\'s are now the best selling bike in the UK.

British Royal Enfield closed in 1970.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riding_Solo_to_the_Top_of_the_World

I bought the DVD directly from Jani but it\'s probably streamed someplace.
350 cc Bullet, a bike to small to exist by American standards. He goes
over the Khardung Pass at 17,582 ft. At one point he\'s pushing the bike
because there isn\'t enough oxygen for it to run. He isn\'t doing too well
either.

Unlike Ewan McGregor\'s films, there was no support group. He demonstrates
the technique for some of the shots. Ride up the pass, prop the camera up,
ride down, and ride up again to catch it of film.

It\'s interesting that you don\'t see the electronics diversity or
semiconductor industry in India that you see in China. The Indians do
tend to be good at magnetics.

They\'re trying. The government is a little more focused than Biden\'s
attempts. Enough firms are getting nervous about TSMC that they may be
able to attract significant investments.

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 17:34:11 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

A neighbour here is the worts driver I have ever been driven by. He is
or was a Brahmin.
I gave up seeing him after my attempts to be kind were accepted as
simply his due as a higher caste being than myself. Fuck that.

My boss is Indian and an adequate driver as far as I know. I was selling a
400cc Yamaha Seca and he expressed interest. That evaporated when he found
out it wasn\'t an automatic. I breathed a sigh of relief. He\'s a good boss
and I rather he stayed in one piece.

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 17:40:50 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

Welcome to the 21st Century. I\'d bet $21 that most U.S. engineering
students didn\'t spend their childhood working on anything besides their
video game scores.

Just ask older engineers who have had to work with those fools.

Sadly you\'re right. I\'ve interviewed several recent CS graduates over the
years and wasn\'t impressed by most. The one who did impress me got her
degree for University of Dublin. She completed a real world project
keeping track of bicycles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublinbikes

Unfortunately she was one that got away.

 

[rbowman]

On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 10:34:21 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 04:40:50 +1100, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com
wrote:

On 2023-03-22, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 13:22:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

It is less genetics than familiarity. I came across a study done in
Apartheid S Africa where they evaluated competence in basic
industrial practice. Overwhelming the people who did best
irrespective of race were those whose parents understood and could
handle machines.
It is terrifying how STEM inept I have seen intelligent bright
children become whose parents were ArtStudents. They expect to fail.

The common wisdom when I was in school was if you wound up with an
Indian lab partner let them handle the paperwork. They were extremely
good with theory and a danger with a screwdriver. At least at that
time upper middle class Indian kids didn\'t spend their childhood
working on the family jalopy like most American kids who wound up in
an engineering school.

Welcome to the 21st Century. I\'d bet $21 that most U.S. engineering
students didn\'t spend their childhood working on anything besides their
video game scores.

I wouldnt bet that.

I\'m encouraged by the Maker movement. The public library has an area with
3D printers, laser cutters, scanners and so forth that seems to attract
kids. I don\'t know how successful it will be but they\'re trying. Doing
something real world with a rPi or Arduino is a start.

 

[rbowman]

On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 23:09:02 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Actually, that goes for the men with that degree too. I\'d not trust any
of them to design a machine or structure.

I did some work with Package Machinery in Springfield MA. I was fascinated
with what they could accomplish with cams, toggles, levers and so forth,
all mechanical.

 

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The FIRE people are extremely good at sawing off the branch they\'re
sitting on. Every time they\'re rescued they promise they\'ll never do
stupid things again. That lasts a few years if we\'re lucky.

Is it now about the banking system, you abnormal, endlessly gossiping senile
shithead?

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I did some work with Package Machinery in Springfield MA. I was fascinated
with what they could accomplish with cams, toggles, levers and so forth,
all mechanical.

I\'m fascinated at how fascinated you are with yourself, you self-admiring
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On 23 Mar 2023 04:06:47 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
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> My boss is Indian

Are you STILL claiming that you are holding down a job, you pathological
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[Peeler]

On 23 Mar 2023 04:03:03 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
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> Yes. After Independence India chose the Bullet for the Army\'s motorcycle.

Off topic bullshit, yet again, pathological bigmouth!

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