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On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 01:19:41 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 21:42:03 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

I\'ve walked barefoot through snow at about that temperature for 5 hours.

Yes, we all know you\'re capable of super-human feats.

It\'s not super human if anyone can do it.

I\'m reminded of a
Dripkick Murphys song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXiVb-raNJY

Make sure you listen to the end.

Can\'t say I can hear many of the words....
 
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 02:21:09 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 21:42:31 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 19:07:48 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 08:11:51 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 15:38:46 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com
wrote:
The funniest lot are scuba divers in big condoms. It\'s not a
watersport if you don\'t get wet. I scuba dive naked.

You wouldn\'t here! Just walking in the surf will cramp your toes. The
people who swim here tend to be chunky ladies with a lot of natural
insulation.

It would solve a lot of problems if Kinsey did some naked scuba diving
on the Maine coast. I\'d give him about an hour. Many lobstermen can\'t
swim. They figure if you fall out of the boat and can\'t get back in
you\'re going to die. Why prolong the agony?

Are there sharks? Can\'t think of much else that could kill a scuba
diver.

https://seatemperature.info/gulf-of-maine-water-temperature.html

You may think you\'re superhuman but you wouldn\'t last long in 45F water.

You\'re an idiot. I\'ve gone in 32F water for hours. The myth is you die in 15 minutes, but just try it for yourself, don\'t believe the bullshit. The correct answer is the average person is fine for 2 hours. The US Marines say 6 hours. Myself, I don\'t even shiver for 30 minutes. But then shivering makes heat....
 
On Sun, 14 May 2023 11:45:48 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

We have the Foresthill Bridge.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tr40e89actsa5tz/Foresthill_Bridge_Auburn.jpg?
raw=1

There\'s a group of people who post little colorful inspirational notes
along the footpath to dissuade suicides.

I have days and days. On bad days I\'d be walking very gingerly. I had no
problem walking across the Golden Gate but that doesn\'t have the visual
relief.

There was a small airport on the north side of Ft. Wayne. One takeoff from
one of the runways you climbed past an WOWO\'s AM antenna array. It was a
strange feeling visualizing yourself on the antenna rather than the
cockpit of the Tomahawk. Somebody has to change the light bulbs but it
ain\'t me.

The CN Tower in Toronto is another one. I\'ve been in tall buildings like
the John Hancock in Chicago but something in that needle like structure
caused my reptilian brain to say \"NO!\"
 
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 16:14:48 +0100, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 09:59:04 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk
wrote:

On 16/04/2023 02:51, rbowman wrote:

It wasn\'t very far from a designated trail but most people don\'t
go far from a trail.

When visiting somewhere in the countryside most people don\'t go that far
away from their car.

The opposite is the Pacific Crest Trail, a roughly 3 month hike from
Mexico to Canada. I\'ve only done bits of it but have acted as a trail
angel. What the hikers really appreciate is a cold beer.

I\'ve walked and run and cycled the west highland way, but the weirdest person I met was doing the whole thing on bicycle, with an enormous trailer, big enough to look like it should be towed by car. He said he liked to have luxuries with him, I said I preferred to expend less energy and live a simpler life. No cooked food, no cooker required. No tent or sleeping bag, just lie down on some grass (but I do take insect repellant!)
 
On 14 May 2023 21:38:04 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


I have days and days. On bad days I\'d be walking very gingerly. I had no
problem walking across the Golden Gate but that doesn\'t have the visual
relief.

FASCINATING, as always! Seriously, do you know at all what a great guy you
are? In case you don\'t know, let me tell you: you are simply great! And I
believe, everyone else here thinks so too! <VBG>

--
Self-admiring lowbrowwoman telling everyone yet another \"thrilling\" story
about her great life:
\"In a role reversal my mother taught her father to drive. She was in the
back seat when he took his first test, trying a little telepathy: \"release
the handbrake. release the handbrake\'. He didn\'t, stalled the engine and
failed. The next time went better.\"
MID: <kafp0uF6vi1U5@mid.individual.net>
 
On 14 May 2023 21:38:04 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 14 May 2023 11:45:48 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

We have the Foresthill Bridge.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tr40e89actsa5tz/Foresthill_Bridge_Auburn.jpg?
raw=1

There\'s a group of people who post little colorful inspirational notes
along the footpath to dissuade suicides.

I have days and days. On bad days I\'d be walking very gingerly. I had no
problem walking across the Golden Gate but that doesn\'t have the visual
relief.

There was a small airport on the north side of Ft. Wayne. One takeoff from
one of the runways you climbed past an WOWO\'s AM antenna array. It was a
strange feeling visualizing yourself on the antenna rather than the
cockpit of the Tomahawk. Somebody has to change the light bulbs but it
ain\'t me.

The CN Tower in Toronto is another one. I\'ve been in tall buildings like
the John Hancock in Chicago but something in that needle like structure
caused my reptilian brain to say \"NO!\"

I was riding a steep chairlift a few weeks ago. The guy with me asked
if we could pull the safety bar down, almost apologetically. We
started talking and I asked him how old he was. 42.

I had zero fear of heights when I was young. About the age of 40, I
started getting intense vertigo. I couldn\'t walk along a cliff (the
cliffs of moher were intense) and it was scary to climb a ladder. And
it gradually faded away, mostly gone now. I\'ve had other guys say the
same thing, fear of heights kicking in around the age of 40.

The guy and I agreed that it didn\'t affect our skiing.

This doesn\'t bother me now.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dmfelqyufr8ng5u/20230410_125737.jpg?raw=1
 
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 10:40:38 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 18:42, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 08:51:38 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

I wouldn\'t name any kid Herbert.

How about Hubert, Norbert, Cuthbert, Gilbert, Filbert and so forth. It\'s
odd the only *bert that survived is Robert, to the point of being a
cliche. Albert is a distant second.

I did go to high school with a Hubert, who was black.

Whatever happened to Bertram?

Sounds French.
 
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 16:51:38 +0100, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 20:35:23 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 17:36:25 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 10:19:48 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-03-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 11:23:13 +0000, NY wrote:


OK, so some British-English spellings have mutated over the years: few
people uses \"gaol\" instead of \"jail\", and \"disk\" is becoming common as
an alternative to \"disc\" - and not just in computing. Of course CD is
\"compact disc\" with a C, so British spelling rules there ;-)

Gaol always threw me as in \'The Ballad of Reading Gaol\'. I suppose it\'s in
line with Gerald and so forth. I\'m never sure about disk and tend to
alternate. \'Ax\' is another one. This newsreader flags \'axe\' but I tend to
favor that spelling.


The one difference that works the opposite way round is the
pronunciation of \"herb\". British pronounces the H whereas American often
omits the H sound \"erb\" as if it were French.

I\'ll go with herb. \'Erb\' sounds affected to me.

Herb sounds affected to me.

It\'s a guy name.

It\'s a gay name.

Think so? Do people name kids Herbert, knowing in advance that they
will be gay?

Maybe the name makes them gay?

> I wouldn\'t name any kid Herbert.

Indeed.

> And what\'s the obsession with gayness? That\'s telling.

Er no. Why would any gay person make fun of gays?
 
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 16:51:38 +0100, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 20:35:23 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 17:36:25 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 10:19:48 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-03-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 11:23:13 +0000, NY wrote:


OK, so some British-English spellings have mutated over the years: few
people uses \"gaol\" instead of \"jail\", and \"disk\" is becoming common as
an alternative to \"disc\" - and not just in computing. Of course CD is
\"compact disc\" with a C, so British spelling rules there ;-)

Gaol always threw me as in \'The Ballad of Reading Gaol\'. I suppose it\'s in
line with Gerald and so forth. I\'m never sure about disk and tend to
alternate. \'Ax\' is another one. This newsreader flags \'axe\' but I tend to
favor that spelling.


The one difference that works the opposite way round is the
pronunciation of \"herb\". British pronounces the H whereas American often
omits the H sound \"erb\" as if it were French.

I\'ll go with herb. \'Erb\' sounds affected to me.

Herb sounds affected to me.

It\'s a guy name.

It\'s a gay name.

Think so? Do people name kids Herbert, knowing in advance that they
will be gay?

Maybe the name makes them gay?

> I wouldn\'t name any kid Herbert.

Indeed.

> And what\'s the obsession with gayness? That\'s telling.

Er no. Why would any gay person make fun of gays?
 
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 10:40:38 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 18:42, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 08:51:38 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

I wouldn\'t name any kid Herbert.

How about Hubert, Norbert, Cuthbert, Gilbert, Filbert and so forth. It\'s
odd the only *bert that survived is Robert, to the point of being a
cliche. Albert is a distant second.

I did go to high school with a Hubert, who was black.

Whatever happened to Bertram?

Sounds French.
 
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 10:40:38 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 18:42, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 08:51:38 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

I wouldn\'t name any kid Herbert.

How about Hubert, Norbert, Cuthbert, Gilbert, Filbert and so forth. It\'s
odd the only *bert that survived is Robert, to the point of being a
cliche. Albert is a distant second.

I did go to high school with a Hubert, who was black.

Whatever happened to Bertram?

Sounds French.
 
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 18:42:37 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 08:51:38 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

I wouldn\'t name any kid Herbert.

How about Hubert, Norbert, Cuthbert, Gilbert, Filbert and so forth. It\'s
odd the only *bert that survived is Robert, to the point of being a
cliche. Albert is a distant second.

Because the others sound silly. And actually every Robert I\'ve known prefers Rob, it\'s more masculine than Bert. Especially if you\'ve seen Bert and Ernie.

> I did go to high school with a Hubert, who was black.

Yeah but they all have weird names.
 
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 18:42:37 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 08:51:38 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

I wouldn\'t name any kid Herbert.

How about Hubert, Norbert, Cuthbert, Gilbert, Filbert and so forth. It\'s
odd the only *bert that survived is Robert, to the point of being a
cliche. Albert is a distant second.

Because the others sound silly. And actually every Robert I\'ve known prefers Rob, it\'s more masculine than Bert. Especially if you\'ve seen Bert and Ernie.

> I did go to high school with a Hubert, who was black.

Yeah but they all have weird names.
 
On 14/05/2023 21:40, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 02:21:09 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 21:42:31 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 19:07:48 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 08:11:51 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 15:38:46 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com
wrote:
The funniest lot are scuba divers in big condoms.  It\'s not a
watersport if you don\'t get wet.  I scuba dive naked.

You wouldn\'t here! Just walking in the surf will cramp your toes. The
people who swim here tend to be chunky ladies with a lot of natural
insulation.

It would solve a lot of problems if Kinsey did some naked scuba diving
on the Maine coast. I\'d give him about an hour. Many lobstermen can\'t
swim. They figure if you fall out of the boat and can\'t get back in
you\'re going to die. Why prolong the agony?

Are there sharks?  Can\'t think of much else that could kill a scuba
diver.

https://seatemperature.info/gulf-of-maine-water-temperature.html

You may think you\'re superhuman but you wouldn\'t last long in 45F water.

You\'re an idiot.  I\'ve gone in 32F water for hours.

No you haven\'t, not unless you\'ve been wearing a dry-suit or similar.

One again you spout BS, like your IQ and degree.
 
On Mon, 15 May 2023 07:54:51 +1000, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On 14 May 2023 21:38:04 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 14 May 2023 11:45:48 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

We have the Foresthill Bridge.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tr40e89actsa5tz/Foresthill_Bridge_Auburn.jpg?
raw=1

There\'s a group of people who post little colorful inspirational notes
along the footpath to dissuade suicides.

I have days and days. On bad days I\'d be walking very gingerly. I had no
problem walking across the Golden Gate but that doesn\'t have the visual
relief.

There was a small airport on the north side of Ft. Wayne. One takeoff
from
one of the runways you climbed past an WOWO\'s AM antenna array. It was a
strange feeling visualizing yourself on the antenna rather than the
cockpit of the Tomahawk. Somebody has to change the light bulbs but it
ain\'t me.

The CN Tower in Toronto is another one. I\'ve been in tall buildings like
the John Hancock in Chicago but something in that needle like structure
caused my reptilian brain to say \"NO!\"

I was riding a steep chairlift a few weeks ago. The guy with me asked
if we could pull the safety bar down, almost apologetically. We
started talking and I asked him how old he was. 42.

I had zero fear of heights when I was young.

I had the reverse, wasnt keen on heights when a young adult.

Got used to it when building my single story house with a flat
roof only a few years later, to still a bit wary when getting back
onto the ladder when getting off the roof but thats mainly
because the ladder doesnt reach that far past the barge board.

About the age of 40, I
started getting intense vertigo. I couldn\'t walk along a cliff (the
cliffs of moher were intense) and it was scary to climb a ladder.

Never got that.

And
it gradually faded away, mostly gone now. I\'ve had other guys say the
same thing, fear of heights kicking in around the age of 40.

No one I know has ever said that. Weird.

The guy and I agreed that it didn\'t affect our skiing.

This doesn\'t bother me now.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dmfelqyufr8ng5u/20230410_125737.jpg?raw=1
 
On Mon, 15 May 2023 11:41:16 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 14/05/2023 21:40, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 02:21:09 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 21:42:31 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 19:07:48 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 08:11:51 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 15:38:46 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com
wrote:
The funniest lot are scuba divers in big condoms. It\'s not a
watersport if you don\'t get wet. I scuba dive naked.

You wouldn\'t here! Just walking in the surf will cramp your toes.
The
people who swim here tend to be chunky ladies with a lot of natural
insulation.

It would solve a lot of problems if Kinsey did some naked scuba
diving
on the Maine coast. I\'d give him about an hour. Many lobstermen can\'t
swim. They figure if you fall out of the boat and can\'t get back in
you\'re going to die. Why prolong the agony?

Are there sharks? Can\'t think of much else that could kill a scuba
diver.

https://seatemperature.info/gulf-of-maine-water-temperature.html

You may think you\'re superhuman but you wouldn\'t last long in 45F
water.
You\'re an idiot. I\'ve gone in 32F water for hours.

No you haven\'t, not unless you\'ve been wearing a dry-suit or similar.

One again you spout BS, like your IQ and degree.

The degree isnt bullshit, I have seen the pic of the certificate.
 
On Mon, 15 May 2023 02:41:16 +0100, Fredxx, the notorious, troll-feeding,
senile smartass, blathered again:


You\'re an idiot.  I\'ve gone in 32F water for hours.

No you haven\'t, not unless you\'ve been wearing a dry-suit or similar.

One again you spout BS, like your IQ and degree.

Once again you took the trolling attention whore latest absolutely idiotic
bait. It\'s your irresistible desire to be a smartass that makes you do it!
<BG>
 
On Mon, 15 May 2023 15:15:25 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Tim+ about trolling Rodent Speed:
He is by far the most persistent troll who seems to be able to get under the
skin of folk who really should know better. Since when did arguing with a
troll ever achieve anything (beyond giving the troll pleasure)?
MID: <1421057667.659518815.743467.tim.downie-gmail.com@news.individual.net>
 
On Mon, 15 May 2023 11:50:57 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Sqwertz to Rodent Speed:
\"This is just a hunch, but I\'m betting you\'re kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID: <ev1p6ml7ywd5$.dlg@sqwertz.com>
 
On 15/05/2023 06:15, Rod Speed wrote:
On Mon, 15 May 2023 11:41:16 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 14/05/2023 21:40, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 02:21:09 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 21:42:31 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 19:07:48 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 08:11:51 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 15:38:46 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com
wrote:
The funniest lot are scuba divers in big condoms.  It\'s not a
watersport if you don\'t get wet.  I scuba dive naked.

You wouldn\'t here! Just walking in the surf will cramp your toes.
The
people who swim here tend to be chunky ladies with a lot of natural
insulation.

It would solve a lot of problems if Kinsey did some naked scuba
diving
on the Maine coast. I\'d give him about an hour. Many lobstermen can\'t
swim. They figure if you fall out of the boat and can\'t get back in
you\'re going to die. Why prolong the agony?

Are there sharks?  Can\'t think of much else that could kill a scuba
diver.

https://seatemperature.info/gulf-of-maine-water-temperature.html

You may think you\'re superhuman but you wouldn\'t last long in 45F
water.
 You\'re an idiot.  I\'ve gone in 32F water for hours.

No you haven\'t, not unless you\'ve been wearing a dry-suit or similar.

One again you spout BS, like your IQ and degree.

The degree isnt bullshit, I have seen the pic of the certificate.

Are you sure it was his? You have heard of PhotoShop?

On seeing it, did you verify its validity with the university?
 

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