Why do circuit breakers go up for on and down for off?...

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 11/05/2023 12:40, Max Demian wrote:

On 10/05/2023 09:48, Xeno wrote:
On 2/3/2023 2:07 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:

ROFL, there\'s still people wearing masks here.  I went to hospital
with a suspected broken thumb and everyone had a mask on.  They
glared at me sternly when I refused.

Why is it I can envisage you doing just that? If people want me to
wear a mask, I oblige and I keep one in my pocket just for that
purpose. It\'s called manners. You may not have heard of such a concept
where you come from.

\"Manners\" in this context is just a way to bully people. Some \"manners\"
may be devised just for this purpose.

There are things making a fuss about, and there are face masks. I am not
convinced they have or had any efficacy whatsoever.

But I carried a few around to slap on for appearances sake

--
\"When one man dies it\'s a tragedy. When thousands die it\'s statistics.\"

Josef Stalin

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2023-05-11 11:31, Tim W wrote:

On Thu, 11 May 2023 01:19:16 +0100, Fredxx wrote:


If you had tyres, you could get rid of the rails. Do you think it\'ll
catch on?

Doesn\'t the Paris Metro have tyred plate-ways?

Yes - at least one line did in the 70s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jackal_(1997_film)

The last minutes, as the bad guy tries to flee in the Metro, it has
rubber wheels. Supposedly in the Washington Metro, but I have never been
there so I don\'t know.

Google says it is the Radisson Metro Station in Montréal, Canada.

Looking at the photos, you can see the rails are special.

<https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Radisson_station>

I have not found photos of the car wheels. Ah, here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJQV3euafZ8

--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Bob F]

On 5/11/2023 5:19 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2023-05-11 11:31, Tim W wrote:
On Thu, 11 May 2023 01:19:16 +0100, Fredxx wrote:


If you had tyres, you could get rid of the rails. Do you think it\'ll
catch on?

Doesn\'t the Paris Metro have tyred plate-ways?

Yes - at least one line did in the 70s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jackal_(1997_film)

The last minutes, as the bad guy tries to flee in the Metro, it has
rubber wheels. Supposedly in the Washington Metro, but I have never been
there so I don\'t know.

Google says it is the Radisson Metro Station in Montréal, Canada.

Looking at the photos, you can see the rails are special.

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Radisson_station

I have not found photos of the car wheels. Ah, here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJQV3euafZ8

There is a big difference between a light rail passenger car and a
railroad locomotive.

 

[Bob F]

On 5/11/2023 4:40 AM, Max Demian wrote:

On 10/05/2023 09:48, Xeno wrote:
On 2/3/2023 2:07 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:

ROFL, there\'s still people wearing masks here.  I went to hospital
with a suspected broken thumb and everyone had a mask on.  They
glared at me sternly when I refused.

Why is it I can envisage you doing just that? If people want me to
wear a mask, I oblige and I keep one in my pocket just for that
purpose. It\'s called manners. You may not have heard of such a concept
where you come from.

\"Manners\" in this context is just a way to bully people. Some \"manners\"
may be devised just for this purpose.

It is a public health issue. Manners just means cooperating with the
health authorities to protect everyone, especially people with extreme
risks from covid, who are much more likely to be found in medical
facilities.

Anyone refusing to cooperate with such rules is just a self centered,
know it all fool and an asshole.

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2023-05-10, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:

On 10/05/2023 22:04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-05-10 22:31, Bob F wrote:
On 3/12/2023 7:43 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
rbowman wrote on 3/12/2023 10:05 PM:
On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 00:30:39 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 03:09:14 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 15:05:31 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Why were they never made of something more grippy than highly
polished
steel?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Washington_Cog_Railway
Should be used on all tracks, then perhaps trains could stop in the
distance my car is required to by law.
Do the math. A fully laden coal car weighs about 140 tons. I\'ve
never been
bored enough to count cars when I stopped at a crossing but there are a
lot of them. Let\'s say 30 for the sake of argument, 4200 tons plus the
weight of the engines. Let\'s say 4 at 200 tons each. So, roughly
5000 tons
traveling at 50 mph. That\'s quite a bit of kinetic energy to dump in
300\'.
I can hear snapping axles and see flying wheels.


The wheels and the rails are steel. A train can never have enough
friction to stop at a short distance. The brakes can lock all the
wheels but the train will still move forward due to inertia.

All that need is train wheels made of rubber as hard as steel.

If you do that, then those wheels will be very low friction and braking
will be as bad as with steel wheels.

You need something that is soft to increase the contact surface and
grip. You have to choose, one thing or the other. Can\'t have both.

Well you could have a train having steel wheels, but with rubber tyred
wheels that could be dropped onto the track during heavy acceleration,
heavy braking and for steep hills. But generally, steel wheels work well
enough.

If they need extra traction they drop sand on the tracks.

--
Jasen.
🇺🇦 Слава Україні

 

[Paul]

On 5/12/2023 9:49 AM, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2023-05-10, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
On 10/05/2023 22:04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-05-10 22:31, Bob F wrote:
On 3/12/2023 7:43 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
rbowman wrote on 3/12/2023 10:05 PM:
On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 00:30:39 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 03:09:14 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 15:05:31 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Why were they never made of something more grippy than highly
polished
steel?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Washington_Cog_Railway
Should be used on all tracks, then perhaps trains could stop in the
distance my car is required to by law.
Do the math. A fully laden coal car weighs about 140 tons. I\'ve
never been
bored enough to count cars when I stopped at a crossing but there are a
lot of them. Let\'s say 30 for the sake of argument, 4200 tons plus the
weight of the engines. Let\'s say 4 at 200 tons each. So, roughly
5000 tons
traveling at 50 mph. That\'s quite a bit of kinetic energy to dump in
300\'.
I can hear snapping axles and see flying wheels.


The wheels and the rails are steel. A train can never have enough
friction to stop at a short distance. The brakes can lock all the
wheels but the train will still move forward due to inertia.

All that need is train wheels made of rubber as hard as steel.

If you do that, then those wheels will be very low friction and braking
will be as bad as with steel wheels.

You need something that is soft to increase the contact surface and
grip. You have to choose, one thing or the other. Can\'t have both.

Well you could have a train having steel wheels, but with rubber tyred
wheels that could be dropped onto the track during heavy acceleration,
heavy braking and for steep hills. But generally, steel wheels work well
enough.

If they need extra traction they drop sand on the tracks.

Having one derailment per day, is a testament to the
technical sophistication of rail.

And you don\'t just use any old sand. The picture on the
page, shows it comes in its own spice rack. Classy.

https://www.olimag.com/en/traction/

I think sand (and not the best sand), was more popular
in steam days. Diesel-electric have smoother application
of power. The relatively new passenger rail here, I\'ve taken
it once, and the acceleration and deceleration is fully
automated. You hardly ever hear the clank of couplers
on the new one. The old one, it was like riding a freight.

And I have ridden a freight, but only in a sense. The
family went on vacation one summer, down the coast. Bought
passenger tickets. Get to the departure point, a single
engine, six box cars, and one passenger car show up.
The passenger car has a conductor, who takes the tickets
and punches them. The single passenger car is divided into
two sections. Royal Mail (so called) in the front of the car,
passengers in the back. In the middle of the car,
is a pot belly stove (not running, because its summer).
The trip would not be noteworthy, except the bloody thing
only did 40MPH for the entire trip (took about six hours).
Um, \"scenic\" is the most positive term that comes to mind.

Paul

 

[rbowman]

On Fri, 12 May 2023 20:40:06 -0400, Paul wrote:

Having one derailment per day, is a testament to the technical
sophistication of rail.

In the US it\'s a testament to ignoring maintenance to squeeze out the last
dollar.

https://hungryhorsenews.com/news/2023/apr/05/train-derailment-spills-
cases-beer-clark-fork/

Some derailments have a silver lining. This one was even more special by
having seven of the derailed cars in a tunnel.

We\'ve had others that dumped grain cars. The bears really appreciate
those.

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2023-05-13 02:40, Paul wrote:

On 5/12/2023 9:49 AM, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2023-05-10, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
On 10/05/2023 22:04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-05-10 22:31, Bob F wrote:
On 3/12/2023 7:43 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
rbowman wrote on 3/12/2023 10:05 PM:
On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 00:30:39 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 03:09:14 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 15:05:31 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Why were they never made of something more grippy than highly
polished
steel?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Washington_Cog_Railway
Should be used on all tracks, then perhaps trains could stop in the
distance my car is required to by law.
Do the math. A fully laden coal car weighs about 140 tons. I\'ve
never been
bored enough to count cars when I stopped at a crossing but there
are a
lot of them. Let\'s say 30 for the sake of argument, 4200 tons
plus the
weight of the engines. Let\'s say 4 at 200 tons each. So, roughly
5000 tons
traveling at 50 mph. That\'s quite a bit of kinetic energy to dump in
300\'.
I can hear snapping axles and see flying wheels.


The wheels and the rails are steel. A train can never have enough
friction to stop at a short distance. The brakes can lock all the
wheels but the train will still move forward due to inertia.

All that need is train wheels made of rubber as hard as steel.

If you do that, then those wheels will be very low friction and braking
will be as bad as with steel wheels.

You need something that is soft to increase the contact surface and
grip. You have to choose, one thing or the other. Can\'t have both.

Well you could have a train having steel wheels, but with rubber tyred
wheels that could be dropped onto the track during heavy acceleration,
heavy braking and for steep hills. But generally, steel wheels work well
enough.

If they need extra traction they drop sand on the tracks.


Having one derailment per day, is a testament to the
technical sophistication of rail.

Only in the USA.


--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Peeler]

On 13 May 2023 01:34:13 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

In the US it\'s a testament to ignoring maintenance to squeeze out the last
dollar.

https://hungryhorsenews.com/news/2023/apr/05/train-derailment-spills-
cases-beer-clark-fork/

Some derailments have a silver lining. This one was even more special by
having seven of the derailed cars in a tunnel.

We\'ve had others that dumped grain cars. The bears really appreciate
those.

See, you even can bigmouth about derailments, you pathological gossip! LOL

--
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\"My mother sometimes made a cherry chiffon cake that started with a
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cake.\"
MID: <kaldt8F22l6U12@mid.individual.net>

 

[Paul]

On 5/12/2023 9:53 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2023-05-13 02:40, Paul wrote:

Having one derailment per day, is a testament to the
technical sophistication of rail.

Only in the USA.

There is more than one rail company, and set of rail lines.

A company that is not capitalized properly, can\'t really
afford to fix anything.

The tracks that are used for passenger rail, are likely
better than some of these little spur lines.

*******

When the Hudsons Bay line flooded out, and there was
a lot of track damage, the owners didn\'t want to fix it,
so a group bought the line, and that group paid to fix it up.
That\'s mainly for grain shipments, via the port at Hudsons Bay.
This shows you what a rail line looks like, after flood damage.

https://www.railwayage.com/freight/omnitrax-sells-hudson-bay-railway/

https://globalnews.ca/news/3523871/photos-show-widespread-damage-on-rail-line-to-churchill/

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/feds-ready-to-deliver-on-lawsuit-ultimatum-over-stalled-churchill-rail-repairs-1.3675810

And that\'s an example of a rail line, with a lot of challenges,
because mother nature doesn\'t want a rail line there. You can see
how they tried to build up the rail bed, above grade a bit.

It seems they\'re still pouring money into that line.

https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/feds-province-pump-more-money-into-rail-line-to-churchill-man-1.6012873

\"The railway has been prone to disruptions, in part due to the
remote boggy terrain it runs through. Railcars sometimes have had
to slow to a near-crawl, and area residents complained it was
not being maintained properly.\"

Sounds normal to me You don\'t always get to choose where
a rail line goes.

And the fools want to run oil trains on those rails.
Who are they kidding ? Regular tracks don\'t like oil trains,
what chance does that rickety mess have.

Paul

 

[Sam Plusnet]

On 12-May-23 14:49, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2023-05-10, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
On 10/05/2023 22:04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-05-10 22:31, Bob F wrote:
On 3/12/2023 7:43 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
rbowman wrote on 3/12/2023 10:05 PM:
On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 00:30:39 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 03:09:14 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 15:05:31 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Why were they never made of something more grippy than highly
polished
steel?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Washington_Cog_Railway
Should be used on all tracks, then perhaps trains could stop in the
distance my car is required to by law.
Do the math. A fully laden coal car weighs about 140 tons. I\'ve
never been
bored enough to count cars when I stopped at a crossing but there are a
lot of them. Let\'s say 30 for the sake of argument, 4200 tons plus the
weight of the engines. Let\'s say 4 at 200 tons each. So, roughly
5000 tons
traveling at 50 mph. That\'s quite a bit of kinetic energy to dump in
300\'.
I can hear snapping axles and see flying wheels.


The wheels and the rails are steel. A train can never have enough
friction to stop at a short distance. The brakes can lock all the
wheels but the train will still move forward due to inertia.

All that need is train wheels made of rubber as hard as steel.

If you do that, then those wheels will be very low friction and braking
will be as bad as with steel wheels.

You need something that is soft to increase the contact surface and
grip. You have to choose, one thing or the other. Can\'t have both.

Well you could have a train having steel wheels, but with rubber tyred
wheels that could be dropped onto the track during heavy acceleration,
heavy braking and for steep hills. But generally, steel wheels work well
enough.

If they need extra traction they drop sand on the tracks.

They stole that idea from Wilson, Keppel and Betty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn83cCEpZV0

--
Sam Plusnet

 

[John Larkin]

On 13 May 2023 19:08:22 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sat, 13 May 2023 07:25:37 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On 13 May 2023 01:34:13 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Fri, 12 May 2023 20:40:06 -0400, Paul wrote:


Having one derailment per day, is a testament to the technical
sophistication of rail.

In the US it\'s a testament to ignoring maintenance to squeeze out the
last dollar.

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/railroad_quality/

At least the US is better than Canada...

\"The score for railroad infrastrucutre quality is based on only one
question. The respondents are asked to rate the railroads in their country
of operation on a scale from 1 (underdeveloped) to 7 (extensive and
efficient by international standards).\"

The rail system in the US is extensive, I\'ll give it that. It probably is
fairly efficient. They don\'t lose too many boxcars but then a boxcar can\'t
stray too far from the rails.

This is a wonderful book:

https://www.amazon.com/Nothing-Like-World-Transcontinental-1863-1869/dp/0743203178

The baddest tunnel, Tunnel 6, is a great hike near the Sierra summit.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/57xtxl8yiioiyat/CW_inside.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/owiekev3bvjcbgr/Landmark.JPG?raw=1

I may be a little prejudiced. I briefly worked for Penn Central during its
two year path from merger to the largest at the time bankruptcy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Penn_Central_Transportation_Company#Merger_begins

It was before my employment but I worked at the Selkirk yard where they
mislaid most of Maine\'s potato crop.

It was sad. When I was a young kid you could take a train from Union
Station in Troy NY to Boston or NYC and expect to get home the same day.
By the time I was in my teens the station was gone, but you could take the
train to NYC from the station in Albany if you didn\'t have any pressing
engagements in the city. You might get there someday, and in the winter
the cars might even have heat. You did get to admire the scenic Hudson at
20 mph, which was what the track was good for in many stretches.

I was pleasantly surprised when I took the train from the Rensselaer
station in the mid-80s after it had become AmTrak. On time, and with
comfortable, modern cars. I think it owed that to being an extension of
the AmTrak corridor loved by Biden to the NYS capitol.

The California Zephyr is a very scenic tourist route. Passes through
Truckee and under Sugar Bowl.

 

[rbowman]

On Sat, 13 May 2023 03:31:20 -0400, Paul wrote:

The tracks that are used for passenger rail, are likely better than some
of these little spur lines.

One would think.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Montana_train_derailment

As often happens the cause was \'under investigation\' until the news cycle
moved on to the next squirrel sighting.

 

[Peeler]

On 13 May 2023 21:14:17 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> One would think.

You wouldn\'t, you only TALK ...big! VERY big! You are all mouth! <BG>

--
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\"Skunk probably tastes like chicken. I\'ve never gotten that comparison,
most famously with Chicken of the Sea. Tuna is a fish and tastes like a
fish. I will admit I\'ve had chicken that tasted like fish. I don\'t think I
want to know what they were feeding it.\"
MID: <k44t5lFl1k3U4@mid.individual.net>

 

[rbowman]

On Sat, 13 May 2023 12:39:16 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

> The baddest tunnel, Tunnel 6, is a great hike near the Sierra summit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Paul_Pass_Tunnel

Being contrary, I started at the Pearson trailhead on the Idaho side and
pedaled uphill. It\'s a gentle grade so that was no problem. A bike light
is required so I bought the cheapest one REI had. Mistake. After going
through nine shorter tunnels as blind as a bat when I got to the mouth of
that one I turned around and coasted back to the car.

https://www.singletracks.com/bike-trails/thompson-park-13393/

That\'s another chunk of the Milwaukee Road near Butte. It has tunnels but
I walked it. Walking in the dark is a lot easier than trying to ride a
bike in the dark.

There is another stretch near St. Regis that convinced me a suspension
seat post was a good idea. It\'s also open to motorized vehicles so it\'s
not all that appealing.

 

[Peeler]

On 14 May 2023 02:49:04 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Paul_Pass_Tunnel

Being contrary, I started at the Pearson trailhead on the Idaho side and
pedaled uphill. It\'s a gentle grade so that was no problem. A bike light
is required so I bought the cheapest one REI had. Mistake. After going
through nine shorter tunnels as blind as a bat when I got to the mouth of
that one I turned around and coasted back to the car.

Incredible, but your life is really one endless series of dramas, you
ridiculous drama queen. LOL

--
Self-admiring lowbrowwoman telling everyone yet another \"thrilling\" story
about her great life:
\"In a role reversal my mother taught her father to drive. She was in the
back seat when he took his first test, trying a little telepathy: \"release
the handbrake. release the handbrake\'. He didn\'t, stalled the engine and
failed. The next time went better.\"
MID: <kafp0uF6vi1U5@mid.individual.net>

 

[John Larkin]

On 14 May 2023 02:49:04 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sat, 13 May 2023 12:39:16 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

The baddest tunnel, Tunnel 6, is a great hike near the Sierra summit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Paul_Pass_Tunnel

Being contrary, I started at the Pearson trailhead on the Idaho side and
pedaled uphill. It\'s a gentle grade so that was no problem. A bike light
is required so I bought the cheapest one REI had. Mistake. After going
through nine shorter tunnels as blind as a bat when I got to the mouth of
that one I turned around and coasted back to the car.

https://www.singletracks.com/bike-trails/thompson-park-13393/

That\'s another chunk of the Milwaukee Road near Butte. It has tunnels but
I walked it. Walking in the dark is a lot easier than trying to ride a
bike in the dark.

There is another stretch near St. Regis that convinced me a suspension
seat post was a good idea. It\'s also open to motorized vehicles so it\'s
not all that appealing.

There\'s something magical and eerie and sort of sad about the old
railroad tunnels.

Tunnel6 used to be open to vehicles (it needed a jeep) but I don\'t
think it is any more. There was a rumor that it might be re-tracked
and used for trains again.

We drove a jeep about 4 miles, starting on the west entrance, through
the tunnels, and then through miles of snow sheds back into daylight.
Very cool.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/qmit7g5ass5smpn/AADXp8NT1SHD1vzCv8uTySpTa?dl=0

They built the transcontinental railroad with muscles and mules and
black powder. No GPS, no flashlights, no CAD tools.

The old Lincoln Highway is just below the tunnel, running below the
Rainbow Bridge.

 

[rbowman]

On Sun, 14 May 2023 06:48:45 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

There\'s something magical and eerie and sort of sad about the old
railroad tunnels.

We have the Kim Williams trail which is another chunk of the Milwaukee
Road. It runs along the river so is a gentle grade, with one exception.

https://fwp.mt.gov/stateparks/milltown/

The new state park is nice but railroad went under the mentioned overlook
through Tunnel 16 1/2. It\'s a short tunnel and from what I can see is in
good shape but the state is risk adverse and has fenced off the entrances.
That means a steep climb up the ridge and down the other side. I hike it
fairly often but I don\'t think I could have done it on a bicycle in my
younger days.

There are other stretches with tunnels that are accessible but aren\'t even
formal trail to trails with some really shaky looking tunnels compared to
16 1/2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee_Road

It\'s not as well known as the Northern Pacific or Union Pacific but for
something that started as a short line from Milwaukee to the river it had
big dreams.

 

[John Larkin]

On 14 May 2023 18:12:30 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 14 May 2023 06:48:45 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

There\'s something magical and eerie and sort of sad about the old
railroad tunnels.

We have the Kim Williams trail which is another chunk of the Milwaukee
Road. It runs along the river so is a gentle grade, with one exception.

https://fwp.mt.gov/stateparks/milltown/

Pretty.

We have the Foresthill Bridge.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tr40e89actsa5tz/Foresthill_Bridge_Auburn.jpg?raw=1

There\'s a group of people who post little colorful inspirational notes
along the footpath to dissuade suicides.

The new state park is nice but railroad went under the mentioned overlook
through Tunnel 16 1/2. It\'s a short tunnel and from what I can see is in
good shape but the state is risk adverse and has fenced off the entrances.
That means a steep climb up the ridge and down the other side. I hike it
fairly often but I don\'t think I could have done it on a bicycle in my
younger days.

Tunnel6 would be tough on a bike; it\'s tricky to walk. The floor is
gravel and mud and the railroad cinder things, puddles in places,
dripping from above, pitch black in places with a dull glow from one
end. Fun acoustics.

If you\'re ever out this way, hike it.

There are other stretches with tunnels that are accessible but aren\'t even
formal trail to trails with some really shaky looking tunnels compared to
16 1/2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee_Road

It\'s not as well known as the Northern Pacific or Union Pacific but for
something that started as a short line from Milwaukee to the river it had
big dreams.

 

[Peeler]

On 14 May 2023 18:12:30 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> We have the Kim Williams trail

WTF??? YOU only have shit in your senile head and you keep squeezing it into
these ngs, every day!

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More absolutely idiotic blather by the resident senile gossip:
\"My mother sometimes made a cherry chiffon cake that started with a
packaged mix. It wasn\'t bad if you squished a slice down to resemble real
cake.\"
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