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On 18/04/2023 03:43, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 12:36:20 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 02:29:22 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 05:23:33 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 01:53:16 +1000, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 11:12:49 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 02:53:59 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 20:34:04 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 10:19:48 -0000, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-03-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 11:23:13 +0000, NY wrote:
OK, so some British-English spellings have mutated over the
years:
few people uses \"gaol\" instead of \"jail\", and \"disk\" is becoming
common as an alternative to \"disc\" - and not just in computing.
Of
course CD is \"compact disc\" with a C, so British spelling rules
there
;-)
Gaol always threw me as in \'The Ballad of Reading Gaol\'. I suppose
it\'s in line with Gerald and so forth. I\'m never sure about disk
and
tend to alternate. \'Ax\' is another one. This newsreader flags
\'axe\'
but I tend to favor that spelling.
The one difference that works the opposite way round is the
pronunciation of \"herb\". British pronounces the H whereas
American
often omits the H sound \"erb\" as if it were French.
I\'ll go with herb. \'Erb\' sounds affected to me.
Herb sounds affected to me.
Not sure what you mean. Is that like \"affection\"?
Putting on airs, like some Liverpool yob trying to use RP.
I can\'t stand the Liverpooooooooool accent. Where the ooooo is 4
octaves higher than any man should be able to achieve.
Strange that a tiny place like England should have so many distinct
accents.
Much worse in Italy, it isnt just accents there, its entire dialects
which are completely unintelligible to other Italians.
When humans got intelligent and invented weapons, we became the top
preditor.
Yes.
So we developed tribes so we could fight other tribes for
territory to hunt in.
Nope, there were always tribes, even with the higher
apes and monkey and almost all other animal species.
Language and accents define tribes.
That utterly mangles the real story.
So tell us the real story.
It\'s interesting that Hitler invaded countries to protect their
German-speaking minorities. And Putin invaded Ukraine to protect its
Russian speakers. That\'s a recurring pattern, language defining
tribes.
Er no, there is a recurrent pattern of dictators using weak excuses to
justify invading their neighbours.
The UK could justify a military takeover of the Irish Republic by that
logic
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 12:43:26 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 12:36:20 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 02:29:22 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 05:23:33 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 01:53:16 +1000, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 11:12:49 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 02:53:59 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 20:34:04 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 10:19:48 -0000, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-03-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 11:23:13 +0000, NY wrote:
OK, so some British-English spellings have mutated over the
years:
few people uses \"gaol\" instead of \"jail\", and \"disk\" is
becoming
common as an alternative to \"disc\" - and not just in computing.
Of
course CD is \"compact disc\" with a C, so British spelling rules
there
;-)
Gaol always threw me as in \'The Ballad of Reading Gaol\'. I
suppose
it\'s in line with Gerald and so forth. I\'m never sure about disk
and
tend to alternate. \'Ax\' is another one. This newsreader flags
\'axe\'
but I tend to favor that spelling.
The one difference that works the opposite way round is the
pronunciation of \"herb\". British pronounces the H whereas
American
often omits the H sound \"erb\" as if it were French.
I\'ll go with herb. \'Erb\' sounds affected to me.
Herb sounds affected to me.
Not sure what you mean. Is that like \"affection\"?
Putting on airs, like some Liverpool yob trying to use RP.
I can\'t stand the Liverpooooooooool accent. Where the ooooo is 4
octaves higher than any man should be able to achieve.
Strange that a tiny place like England should have so many distinct
accents.
Much worse in Italy, it isnt just accents there, its entire dialects
which are completely unintelligible to other Italians.
When humans got intelligent and invented weapons, we became the top
preditor.
Yes.
So we developed tribes so we could fight other tribes for
territory to hunt in.
Nope, there were always tribes, even with the higher
apes and monkey and almost all other animal species.
Language and accents define tribes.
That utterly mangles the real story.
So tell us the real story.
There are always tribes with almost all higher animals.
Nothing to do with language and accents.
Crimea was totally emptied of its population once under Stalin, then
again under Putin.
It is Russia\'s best access to the Mediterranean. which is why they
wanted it., Nothing to do with fake \'ethnic Russians\'
In the case of the Crimea in a perfect world it would be given back to the
Tatars.
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 12:41:09 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Crimea was totally emptied of its population once under Stalin, then
again under Putin.
It is Russia\'s best access to the Mediterranean. which is why they
wanted it., Nothing to do with fake \'ethnic Russians\'
In the case of the Crimea in a perfect world it would be given back to the
Tatars.
On 18/04/2023 06:21, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 19:43:26 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
It\'s interesting that Hitler invaded countries to protect their
German-speaking minorities. And Putin invaded Ukraine to protect its
Russian speakers. That\'s a recurring pattern, language defining tribes.
The Ukraine and Russia would be hard to sort out genetically but not
Germans and Slavs for the most part. I speak English but 23andMe pegs me
as 95% German. There is the vague 4% Eastern European and other noise. I
certainly don\'t feel any tribal affiliation just because some life form
happens to speak English.
Crimea was totally emptied of its population once under Stalin,
It is Russia\'s best access to the Mediterranean. which is why they
wanted it., Nothing to do with fake \'ethnic Russians\'
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 12:22:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 18/04/2023 03:43, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 12:36:20 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 02:29:22 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 05:23:33 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 01:53:16 +1000, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 11:12:49 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 02:53:59 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 20:34:04 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 10:19:48 -0000, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-03-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 11:23:13 +0000, NY wrote:
OK, so some British-English spellings have mutated over the
years:
few people uses \"gaol\" instead of \"jail\", and \"disk\" is
becoming
common as an alternative to \"disc\" - and not just in
computing.
Of
course CD is \"compact disc\" with a C, so British spelling
rules
there
;-)
Gaol always threw me as in \'The Ballad of Reading Gaol\'. I
suppose
it\'s in line with Gerald and so forth. I\'m never sure about
disk
and
tend to alternate. \'Ax\' is another one. This newsreader flags
\'axe\'
but I tend to favor that spelling.
The one difference that works the opposite way round is the
pronunciation of \"herb\". British pronounces the H whereas
American
often omits the H sound \"erb\" as if it were French.
I\'ll go with herb. \'Erb\' sounds affected to me.
Herb sounds affected to me.
Not sure what you mean. Is that like \"affection\"?
Putting on airs, like some Liverpool yob trying to use RP.
I can\'t stand the Liverpooooooooool accent. Where the ooooo is 4
octaves higher than any man should be able to achieve.
Strange that a tiny place like England should have so many distinct
accents.
Much worse in Italy, it isnt just accents there, its entire dialects
which are completely unintelligible to other Italians.
When humans got intelligent and invented weapons, we became the top
preditor.
Yes.
So we developed tribes so we could fight other tribes for
territory to hunt in.
Nope, there were always tribes, even with the higher
apes and monkey and almost all other animal species.
Language and accents define tribes.
That utterly mangles the real story.
So tell us the real story.
It\'s interesting that Hitler invaded countries to protect their
German-speaking minorities. And Putin invaded Ukraine to protect its
Russian speakers. That\'s a recurring pattern, language defining
tribes.
Er no, there is a recurrent pattern of dictators using weak excuses to
justify invading their neighbours.
The excuses were good enough to rally their populatiopn and their
armies to the cause.
The UK could justify a military takeover of the Irish Republic by that
logic
Oh, that\'s been done.
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 15:41:59 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 12:43:26 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 12:36:20 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 02:29:22 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 05:23:33 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 01:53:16 +1000, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 11:12:49 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 02:53:59 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 20:34:04 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 10:19:48 -0000, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-03-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 11:23:13 +0000, NY wrote:
OK, so some British-English spellings have mutated over the
years:
few people uses \"gaol\" instead of \"jail\", and \"disk\" is
becoming
common as an alternative to \"disc\" - and not just in
computing.
Of
course CD is \"compact disc\" with a C, so British spelling
rules
there
;-)
Gaol always threw me as in \'The Ballad of Reading Gaol\'. I
suppose
it\'s in line with Gerald and so forth. I\'m never sure about
disk
and
tend to alternate. \'Ax\' is another one. This newsreader flags
\'axe\'
but I tend to favor that spelling.
The one difference that works the opposite way round is the
pronunciation of \"herb\". British pronounces the H whereas
American
often omits the H sound \"erb\" as if it were French.
I\'ll go with herb. \'Erb\' sounds affected to me.
Herb sounds affected to me.
Not sure what you mean. Is that like \"affection\"?
Putting on airs, like some Liverpool yob trying to use RP.
I can\'t stand the Liverpooooooooool accent. Where the ooooo is 4
octaves higher than any man should be able to achieve.
Strange that a tiny place like England should have so many distinct
accents.
Much worse in Italy, it isnt just accents there, its entire dialects
which are completely unintelligible to other Italians.
When humans got intelligent and invented weapons, we became the top
preditor.
Yes.
So we developed tribes so we could fight other tribes for
territory to hunt in.
Nope, there were always tribes, even with the higher
apes and monkey and almost all other animal species.
Language and accents define tribes.
That utterly mangles the real story.
So tell us the real story.
There are always tribes with almost all higher animals.
Nothing to do with language and accents.
It\'s tough to run a village or a factory or an army (or a family) if
people can\'t understand each other.
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 12:41:09 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Crimea was totally emptied of its population once under Stalin, then
again under Putin.
It is Russia\'s best access to the Mediterranean. which is why they
wanted it., Nothing to do with fake \'ethnic Russians\'
In the case of the Crimea in a perfect world it would be given back to
the
Tatars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Crimea_(1992%E2%80%931995)
However the Soviets were very efficient with their de-Tatarization and
the
majority is ethnically Russian. Historically the Crimea has never been
enthusiastic about being part of Ukraine, although the Tatars thought the
Ukraine was an excellent place to go slave hunting.
Sevastapol certainly is a factor. While the Black Sea isn\'t a great place
for a fleet given the difficulty of getting to the open sea for all its
land mass Russia has limited options. Neither Murmansk or Vladivostok are
the greatest ports.
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 12:22:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 18/04/2023 03:43, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 12:36:20 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 02:29:22 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 05:23:33 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 01:53:16 +1000, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 11:12:49 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 02:53:59 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 20:34:04 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 10:19:48 -0000, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-03-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 11:23:13 +0000, NY wrote:
OK, so some British-English spellings have mutated over the
years:
few people uses \"gaol\" instead of \"jail\", and \"disk\" is becoming
common as an alternative to \"disc\" - and not just in computing.
Of
course CD is \"compact disc\" with a C, so British spelling rules
there
;-)
Gaol always threw me as in \'The Ballad of Reading Gaol\'. I suppose
it\'s in line with Gerald and so forth. I\'m never sure about disk
and
tend to alternate. \'Ax\' is another one. This newsreader flags
\'axe\'
but I tend to favor that spelling.
The one difference that works the opposite way round is the
pronunciation of \"herb\". British pronounces the H whereas
American
often omits the H sound \"erb\" as if it were French.
I\'ll go with herb. \'Erb\' sounds affected to me.
Herb sounds affected to me.
Not sure what you mean. Is that like \"affection\"?
Putting on airs, like some Liverpool yob trying to use RP.
I can\'t stand the Liverpooooooooool accent. Where the ooooo is 4
octaves higher than any man should be able to achieve.
Strange that a tiny place like England should have so many distinct
accents.
Much worse in Italy, it isnt just accents there, its entire dialects
which are completely unintelligible to other Italians.
When humans got intelligent and invented weapons, we became the top
preditor.
Yes.
So we developed tribes so we could fight other tribes for
territory to hunt in.
Nope, there were always tribes, even with the higher
apes and monkey and almost all other animal species.
Language and accents define tribes.
That utterly mangles the real story.
So tell us the real story.
It\'s interesting that Hitler invaded countries to protect their
German-speaking minorities. And Putin invaded Ukraine to protect its
Russian speakers. That\'s a recurring pattern, language defining
tribes.
Er no, there is a recurrent pattern of dictators using weak excuses to
justify invading their neighbours.
The excuses were good enough to rally their populatiopn and their
armies to the cause.
No, they weren\'t.
The UK could justify a military takeover of the Irish Republic by that
logic
Oh, that\'s been done.
No., the majority are ethnic Ukraine, although Russia has made it veryOn Tue, 18 Apr 2023 12:41:09 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Crimea was totally emptied of its population once under Stalin, then
again under Putin.
It is Russia\'s best access to the Mediterranean. which is why they
wanted it., Nothing to do with fake \'ethnic Russians\'
In the case of the Crimea in a perfect world it would be given back to the
Tatars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Crimea_(1992%E2%80%931995)
However the Soviets were very efficient with their de-Tatarization and the
majority is ethnically Russian.
Histrorically te Crimea was perfectly happy to be part of anybody whoenthusiastic about being part of Ukraine, although the Tatars thought the
Ukraine was an excellent place to go slave hunting.
Sevastapol certainly is a factor. While the Black Sea isn\'t a great place
for a fleet given the difficulty of getting to the open sea for all its
land mass Russia has limited options. Neither Murmansk or Vladivostok are
the greatest ports.
Same with the Germans with so many Hungarians,
Romanians etc involved with them.
Yes, the poms comprehensively fucked over Scotland, Ireland and Wales,
but when they did that, they didnt have a common language.
Crimea was totally emptied of its population once under Stalin,
BULLSHIT.
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 03:44:47 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
Armys in spades back when mercenarys were the main source of troops.
In \'69 the USMC had training platoons where Hispanics were taught
marksmanship, field craft, and enough English to get by.
Same with the Germans with so many Hungarians,
Romanians etc involved with them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Waffen-SS_divisions
To say nothing of Swedes, Danes, Norwegians, French, Dutch, Ukrainians,
and even Russians. Many Europeans had seen the Red Terror in Russia,
Hungary, and other countries and wanted no part of it.
Of course Roosevelt and Churchill were fine with supporting Stalin and
dooming eastern Europe to decades of oppression.
On 18 Apr 2023 16:05:40 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 12:41:09 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Crimea was totally emptied of its population once under Stalin, then
again under Putin.
It is Russia\'s best access to the Mediterranean. which is why they
wanted it., Nothing to do with fake \'ethnic Russians\'
In the case of the Crimea in a perfect world it would be given back to
the Tatars.
Or have some honest elections and let the residents decide. Honest
elections in Ukraine _and_ Russia.
As if.