Why do circuit breakers go up for on and down for off?...

[Peeler]

On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 11:48:39 +0000, Max Dumbian, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:

> Oddly red+green light produced yellow. At least it seems odd to me, but

Will you finally stop trashing these three ngs with your endless sick senile
shit, you idiotic troll-feeding senile SHITHEAD?

--
Max Dumb having another senile moment:
\"It\'s the consistency of the shit that counts. Sometimes I don\'t need to
wipe, but I have to do so to tell. Also humans have buttocks to get
smeared due to our bipedalism.\"
Message-ID: <6vydnWiYDoV1VUrDnZ2dnUU78QednZ2d@brightview.co.uk>

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 06:08:29 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

I wonder why women tend to be more colour fussy? Are they being fussy
or accurate?

They are willing to utter the bullshit names marketers come up with to
describe colors. All I know about teal is they\'re tasty if you manage to
shoot one.

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 07:18:15 -0800, John Larkin wrote:

The first DTL and TTL parts were nand and jk flops. Before that, we had
RTL which was mostly nor. Both were horrible, slow and expensive and
unreliable.

Other than the NORPAK debacle it was all TTL and eventually CMOS before I
moved more toward the software side as microcontrollers came into play. It
was a profitable combination for embedded systems.

I rather miss ucontrollers so I play around with them on the side. Right
now I\'m looking at tinyML. It\'s disappointing that you need megaML to
distill down the inference set to run on a tiny chip.

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 10:19:48 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

Herb sounds affected to me. OTOH, I pronounce the H in herbivore,
herbicide, etc. \"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little
minds.\"

herbal? I often hear the h dropped there too, possibly as an extension of
erb. Like you say anyone who wants consistency better learn German.

 

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-03-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 06:08:29 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


I wonder why women tend to be more colour fussy? Are they being fussy
or accurate?

They are willing to utter the bullshit names marketers come up with to
describe colors.

I prefer to use the names assigned by Crayola.

> All I know about teal is they\'re tasty if you manage to shoot one.

I can\'t believe you lived through the 1980s without knowing more
about the color teal. The entire decade was colored teal and
mauve.

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-03-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 10:19:48 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:


Herb sounds affected to me. OTOH, I pronounce the H in herbivore,
herbicide, etc. \"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little
minds.\"

herbal? I often hear the h dropped there too, possibly as an extension of
erb. Like you say anyone who wants consistency better learn German.

Yes, \"erbal\". Isn\'t that how it\'s pronounced in the commercials?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGaXOQH8vok

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[Scott Lurndal]

Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:

On 2023-03-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 06:08:29 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


I wonder why women tend to be more colour fussy? Are they being fussy
or accurate?

They are willing to utter the bullshit names marketers come up with to
describe colors.

I prefer to use the names assigned by Crayola.

The canonical source for color naming is Pantone.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantone

 

[Peeler]

On 8 Mar 2023 15:46:12 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

They are willing to utter the bullshit names marketers come up with to
describe colors. All I know about teal is they\'re tasty if you manage to
shoot one.

All I know is that you are a more obnoxious blabbermouth and gossip than any
woman, you endlessly gossiping senile washerwoman!

--
Yet more of the so very interesting senile blather by lowbrowwoman:
\"My family loaded me into a \'51 Chevy and drove from NY to Seattle and
back in \'52. I\'m alive. The Chevy had a painted steel dashboard with two
little hand prints worn down to the primer because I liked to stand up
and lean on it to see where we were going.\"
MID: <j2kuc1F3ejsU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On 8 Mar 2023 16:08:52 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

herbal? I often hear the h dropped there too, possibly as an extension of
erb. Like you say anyone who wants consistency better learn German.

So for how long will you go on about this latest senile shit? Until your big
mouth tires which, as everybody knows, NEVER tires? <BG>

--
More typical idiotic senile gossip by lowbrowwoman:
\"It\'s been years since I\'ve been in a fast food burger joint but I used
to like Wendy\'s because they had a salad bar and baked potatoes.\"
MID: <ivdi4gF8btlU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[John Larkin]

On 8 Mar 2023 16:00:02 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 07:18:15 -0800, John Larkin wrote:


The first DTL and TTL parts were nand and jk flops. Before that, we had
RTL which was mostly nor. Both were horrible, slow and expensive and
unreliable.

Other than the NORPAK debacle it was all TTL and eventually CMOS before I
moved more toward the software side as microcontrollers came into play. It
was a profitable combination for embedded systems.

I rather miss ucontrollers so I play around with them on the side. Right
now I\'m looking at tinyML. It\'s disappointing that you need megaML to
distill down the inference set to run on a tiny chip.

What is megaML? It doesn\'t google well.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 10:19:48 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-03-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 11:23:13 +0000, NY wrote:


OK, so some British-English spellings have mutated over the years: few
people uses \"gaol\" instead of \"jail\", and \"disk\" is becoming common as
an alternative to \"disc\" - and not just in computing. Of course CD is
\"compact disc\" with a C, so British spelling rules there ;-)

Gaol always threw me as in \'The Ballad of Reading Gaol\'. I suppose it\'s in
line with Gerald and so forth. I\'m never sure about disk and tend to
alternate. \'Ax\' is another one. This newsreader flags \'axe\' but I tend to
favor that spelling.


The one difference that works the opposite way round is the
pronunciation of \"herb\". British pronounces the H whereas American often
omits the H sound \"erb\" as if it were French.

I\'ll go with herb. \'Erb\' sounds affected to me.

Herb sounds affected to me.

It\'s a guy name.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 08/03/2023 15:46, rbowman wrote:

All I know about teal is they\'re tasty if you manage to
shoot one.

Best wild duck I ever tasted. They dint eat pondweed. They eat estuary
shrimp


--
If I had all the money I\'ve spent on drink...
...I\'d spend it on drink.

Sir Henry (at Rawlinson\'s End)

 

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-03-08, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:
On 2023-03-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 06:08:29 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


I wonder why women tend to be more colour fussy? Are they being fussy
or accurate?

They are willing to utter the bullshit names marketers come up with to
describe colors.

I prefer to use the names assigned by Crayola.

The canonical source for color naming is Pantone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantone

It depends on your discipline and location.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_chart

I\'m happy with the RGB value.

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 08/03/2023 16:50, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

On 2023-03-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 06:08:29 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


I wonder why women tend to be more colour fussy? Are they being fussy
or accurate?

They are willing to utter the bullshit names marketers come up with to
describe colors.

I prefer to use the names assigned by Crayola.

All I know about teal is they\'re tasty if you manage to shoot one.

I can\'t believe you lived through the 1980s without knowing more
about the color teal. The entire decade was colored teal and
mauve.

Was it? I was too busy to notice.
I think the most pretentious one is \'taupe\'

--
If I had all the money I\'ve spent on drink...
...I\'d spend it on drink.

Sir Henry (at Rawlinson\'s End)

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 09 Mar 2023 06:03:24 +1100, \"Rod Speed\"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 09 Mar 2023 02:18:15 +1100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On 8 Mar 2023 03:16:12 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 12:47:32 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Tommy Flowers just about managed to make a crude computer out of
them...

https://hackaday.com/2021/12/27/single-bit-computer-from-vacuum-tubes/

I consider myself luck to have joined the workforce at the very tail end
of vacuum tube logic. You can implement a NOR gate and you can build
anything from NOR gates if you don\'t mind going insane.

The first DTL and TTL parts were nand and jk flops. Before that, we
had RTL which was mostly nor. Both were horrible, slow and expensive
and unreliable.

Bullshit on the unreliable.

The Fairchild and Motorola RTL parts were horrible, as were the early
TI TTL parts. They hadn\'t got the plastic packaging right yet and
temperature cycling would break wire bonds. Maybe the ceramic
flat-pack parts were OK, but we couldn\'t afford them.

There was Purple Plague in those days too.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Thu, 09 Mar 2023 06:20:58 +1100, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Thu, 09 Mar 2023 06:03:24 +1100, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 09 Mar 2023 02:18:15 +1100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On 8 Mar 2023 03:16:12 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 12:47:32 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Tommy Flowers just about managed to make a crude computer out of
them...

https://hackaday.com/2021/12/27/single-bit-computer-from-vacuum-tubes/

I consider myself luck to have joined the workforce at the very tail
end
of vacuum tube logic. You can implement a NOR gate and you can build
anything from NOR gates if you don\'t mind going insane.

The first DTL and TTL parts were nand and jk flops. Before that, we
had RTL which was mostly nor. Both were horrible, slow and expensive
and unreliable.

Bullshit on the unreliable.

The Fairchild and Motorola RTL parts were horrible,

Bullshit and I did the maintenance on a DEC PDP9 which
used it extensively.

as were the early
TI TTL parts.

Bullshit and I did the RTL/TTL interface for the mag tape
for the PDP15 which was the TTL version of the PDP9

They hadn\'t got the plastic packaging right yet and
temperature cycling would break wire bonds.

Never had a single failure like that.

Maybe the ceramic
flat-pack parts were OK, but we couldn\'t afford them.

I used the plastic packaging exclusively and
so did DEC and we never had any failures at all.

The PDP11/10AD didn\'t either.

> There was Purple Plague in those days too.

Never saw that either.

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 16:50:47 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

I can\'t believe you lived through the 1980s without knowing more about
the color teal. The entire decade was colored teal and mauve.

I will have to resort to DuckDuckGo to find out what the hell mauve is.
Oh, purple, sort of. I went though the \'80s without a woman hanging around
the house. They know about that sort of stuff. Well, maybe not my ex. She
never cared about House Beautiful and afaik she never wore makeup in her
life.

In my dotage I\'ve taken to building models of German WWII armor and have
been introduced to the Tamiya rack at the hobby store. Ye Gods...

https://www.tamiyausa.com/shop/paints/bottles/

The Germans built some fine tanks but luckily they didn\'t let Eva Braun
select the color schemes and I can go by the numbers.

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 17:49:45 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_chart

I\'m happy with the RGB value.

One of the available theme for our product really is teal, so called. I
coded in #008080 and it wasn\'t a match. I hunted down the programmer and
asked wtf? not very gently. Turns out his boss didn\'t like the color
everybody else calls teal so he screwed around with the values until he
got something that was acceptable and called it teal.

There are two other sort of blueish choices that I can barely distinguish.

Another product had strange color combination until I figured out it was
the flag of India.

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 17:50:50 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Was it? I was too busy to notice.
I think the most pretentious one is \'taupe\'

Had to look that up too. Mouse colored doesn\'t sound like it would go over
with the fashionistas. Better than naked mole-rat I guess.

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 09:33:49 -0800, John Larkin wrote:

> What is megaML? It doesn\'t google well.

Not an actual term outside of my imagination. TensorFlow is a Google
endeavor and they provide a web interface called Colab where you can
execute TF in Python.

https://colab.research.google.com/notebooks/intro.ipynb

Google also builds their own specialized hardware:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensor_Processing_Unit

Others use GPUs like NVidias. After you construct a model you train it
with a large set of labeled data over many iterations to optimize the
weights and it\'s very processor intensive. As you might guess from tensor
you\'re deep into linear algebra.

After training the model and getting the error down to an acceptable level
you can export a .tflite file that\'s relatively small. The metaphor is
when you\'re learning something new you\'re very busy but when you get
around to applying the knowledge it\'s nowhere near as intensive so it can
be handled by an embedded processor.

The Arduino nano 33 BLE Sense is popular. It uses the Nordic nRF52840 32-
bit ARM processor and has an inertial unit, magnetic sensor, temperature,
humidity, and other sensors in a very small package.

At least that\'s the theory. In the \'80s I was programming MCUs lke the
8048 family for devices like handheld pH/ion concentration meters. I took
a course in neural networks which was going to be the Next Great Thing. It
was oversold since the hardware didn\'t exist to make it feasible.

40 years later neural networks were reborn as machine learning except now
you have racks and racks of TPUs churning away to make it work. Whether it
can be used to do useful work on MCUs is another question.

For a sense of scale Facebook (Meta) managed to leak their large language
model. It\'s only 288 GB. Nadella recently said Siri, Alexa, Cortana and so
forth are as dumb as rocks. We\'ll see what the next generation of AI buzz
brings.