Why do circuit breakers go up for on and down for off?...

On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 17:28:35 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 28/02/2023 15:55, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 13:39:53 +0000, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 27/02/2023 20:55, NY wrote:
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:eek:p.101j6ficmvhs6z@ryzen.home...

So they couldn\'t explain the difference in colour of a lettuce and the
sky? WTF?

Exactly. It\'s weird that they survived for so long without words to
differentiate colours which most of use see as being different. The
various colours at the blue end of the rainbow (blue, indigo, violet)
are not as easy to differentiate, and I can understand *those* being
thought of as various shades of blue, but red, orange, yellow, green,
blue are all colours that are fairly distinct and deserve individual names.

Who decide what are distinct colours anyway? To my way of thinking,
there are six /distinct/ colours in the spectrum, red, orange, yellow,
green, blue and violet.

Indigo was added by Newton to make it up to seven, which he regarded as
a magic number.

Human cone cells come in three wavelengths, roughly r-g-b, so if we
name more colors it\'s arbitrary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cone_cell

From the diagram on the right, it\'s more like blue, greeny-yellow and
yellow if you measure the sensitivities at different frequencies.

I call bullshit. If the lowest frequency detector was yellow, how do we see red? And why does the RGB system on TVs work so well?

We can perceive a lot more colours by comparing the relative signals
from the different cones.

I wonder why women tend to be more colour fussy? Are they being fussy or accurate?

How we name them is up to us, according to how important they are.

Retinas vary a lot between individuals too, especially males.

Many (mostly male) humans have only two kinds of cones: blue and yellow,
which is what most mammals have.

It\'s nowhere near \"many\".

Males with just the two kinds of cones (referred to a red/green
colour-blind) can see about three distinct colours in the spectrum
instead of six.

Females sometimes have 4.
 
On 8 Mar 2023 03:23:20 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> Academics aren\'t the sharpest knives in the drawer.

Ah, the resident bigmouth starts prattling and bragging again...

<FLUSH rest of the inevitable grandiloquent senile crap>

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but they are useful in marshaling [sic] my thoughts.\"
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On 08/03/2023 02:30, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 11:35:58 +0000, NY wrote:

I wish my electric bike had an extra really high-ratio gear: I find the
highest gear still has my legs whizzing round uncomfortably fast when
pedalling down a gentle hill to supplement gravity. But when I bought
mine, the extra gears of the higher-spec models were all at the
low-ratio end.

My \'road\' bike is a mountain bike with slicks. There are a couple of hills
where I can get up to about 30 mph and I don\'t even try to pedal. 18 mph
is about all I can achieve on level ground with a comfortable cadence.
On my bicycle, I overtook a van coming down the North Downs once. I
glanced in at the drivers dash as I dis so. His speedo registered 38mph
or thereabouts.

Ah, Youth...


I\'ve thought about an e-bike but will probably just keep thinking about
it.

--
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On 8 Mar 2023 03:16:12 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


https://hackaday.com/2021/12/27/single-bit-computer-from-vacuum-tubes/

I consider myself luck to have the probably biggest mouth in the universe.

Well, your neighbours in real life probably consider themselves luck that
they easily can avoid your pathological bragging by not talking to you. But
now Usenet will have to pay for it. <G>

--
More of the senile gossip\'s absolutely idiotic senile blather:
\"I stopped for breakfast at a diner in Virginia when the state didn\'t do
DST. I remarked on the time difference and the crusty old waitress said
\'We keep God\'s time in Virginia.\'

I also lived in Ft. Wayne for a while.\"

MID: <t0tjfa$6r5$1@dont-email.me>
 
On 8 Mar 2023 03:03:58 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_converter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boost_converter

The topology differs but it\'s the same basic idea in switching power
supplies.

Is this shit still about those idiotic \"circuit breakers\", our resident
bigmouth and gossip?

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Yet more of the so very interesting senile blather by lowbrowwoman:
\"My family loaded me into a \'51 Chevy and drove from NY to Seattle and
back in \'52. I\'m alive. The Chevy had a painted steel dashboard with two
little hand prints worn down to the primer because I liked to stand up
and lean on it to see where we were going.\"
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On 8 Mar 2023 02:30:05 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> My \'road\' bike is a mountain bike with slicks.

Oh, stuff your mountain bike up yours! Still better: Stuff it in your big
mouth! That might shut you up at least for a while!

--
Yet more absolutely idiotic senile blather by lowbrowwoman:
\"I save my fries quota for one of the local food trucks that offers
poutine every now and then. If you\'re going for a coronary might as well
do it right.\"
MID: <ivdi4gF8btlU1@mid.individual.net>
 
On 8 Mar 2023 02:53:08 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> Gaol always threw me as in \'The Ballad of Reading Gaol\'.

Good Lord! The resident bigmouth and braggart is at it again!

<FLUSH the inevitable idiotic and grandiloquent senile crap unread again>

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but they are useful in marshaling [sic] my thoughts.\"
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On 8 Mar 2023 03:35:59 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> Some of the local multi-trails have 10 mph speeds posted but they\'re a

Is this STILL about those idiotic \"circuit breakers\", you pathological
bigmouth, gossip and braggart?

--
More of the pathological senile gossip\'s sick shit squeezed out of his sick
head:
\"Skunk probably tastes like chicken. I\'ve never gotten that comparison,
most famously with Chicken of the Sea. Tuna is a fish and tastes like a
fish. I will admit I\'ve had chicken that tasted like fish. I don\'t think I
want to know what they were feeding it.\"
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On 2023-03-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 11:23:13 +0000, NY wrote:


OK, so some British-English spellings have mutated over the years: few
people uses \"gaol\" instead of \"jail\", and \"disk\" is becoming common as
an alternative to \"disc\" - and not just in computing. Of course CD is
\"compact disc\" with a C, so British spelling rules there ;-)

Gaol always threw me as in \'The Ballad of Reading Gaol\'. I suppose it\'s in
line with Gerald and so forth. I\'m never sure about disk and tend to
alternate. \'Ax\' is another one. This newsreader flags \'axe\' but I tend to
favor that spelling.


The one difference that works the opposite way round is the
pronunciation of \"herb\". British pronounces the H whereas American often
omits the H sound \"erb\" as if it were French.

I\'ll go with herb. \'Erb\' sounds affected to me.

Herb sounds affected to me. OTOH, I pronounce the H in herbivore,
herbicide, etc. \"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little
minds.\"

When I was a kid I had a
book about Indians, excuse me Native Americans, where the medicine man was
named Herb Gatherer. I thought Mr. Gatherer\'s first name was Herbert like
Herbert Philbrick until the dime dropped.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Led_3_Lives


Do other English-speaking counties than the UK have the absurd \"an
historic event\" where \"an\" is used even though the H in \"historic\" is
sounded? I would normally say \"a historic event\", \"a hotel\" just like \"a
hedge\" or \"a helmet\". If I wanted to be pretentious I suppose \"an
\'istoric event\" or \"an \'otel\" are acceptable, but never \"an\" with a
consonant or consonant-sound, nor \"a\" with a vowel or vowel-sound.

I play fast and loose with \'an\'. Acronyms really mix it up. \'An USB port\'
just doesn\'t cut it.

Given the implicit \"Y\" sound at the beginning, it\'s a virtual consonant.
\"AEIOU and sometimes Y\".

--
Cindy Hamilton
 
On 08/03/2023 06:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 11:21:43 -0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 27/02/2023 20:55, NY wrote:

Exactly. It\'s weird that they survived for so long without words to
differentiate colours which most of use see as being different. The
various colours at the blue end of the rainbow (blue, indigo, violet)
are not as easy to differentiate, and I can understand *those* being
thought of as various shades of blue, but red, orange, yellow, green,
blue are all colours that are fairly distinct and deserve individual
names.

Be careful of that \"most of us\".

Almost everyone can tell blue from red or green. Telling red from green
though affects about 1 in 12 men in the UK (other races may vary).

It\'s not 1 in 12.  I\'ve only ever known ONE person who was red/green
colour blind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness#Epidemiology
\" In individuals with Northern European ancestry, as many as 8 percent
of men and 0.4 percent of women experience congenital color deficiency.\"

Maybe you only know 12 people.

--
Max Demian
 
On 08/03/2023 06:08, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 17:28:35 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 28/02/2023 15:55, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 13:39:53 +0000, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 27/02/2023 20:55, NY wrote:
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:eek:p.101j6ficmvhs6z@ryzen.home...

So they couldn\'t explain the difference in colour of a lettuce and
the
sky?  WTF?

Exactly. It\'s weird that they survived for so long without words to
differentiate colours which most of use see as being different. The
various colours at the blue end of the rainbow (blue, indigo, violet)
are not as easy to differentiate, and I can understand *those* being
thought of as various shades of blue, but red, orange, yellow, green,
blue are all colours that are fairly distinct and deserve
individual names.

Who decide what are distinct colours anyway? To my way of thinking,
there are six /distinct/ colours in the spectrum, red, orange, yellow,
green, blue and violet.

Indigo was added by Newton to make it up to seven, which he regarded as
a magic number.

Human cone cells come in three wavelengths, roughly r-g-b, so if we
name more colors it\'s arbitrary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cone_cell

 From the diagram on the right, it\'s more like blue, greeny-yellow and
yellow if you measure the sensitivities at different frequencies.

I call bullshit.  If the lowest frequency detector was yellow, how do we
see red?  And why does the RGB system on TVs work so well?

(a) The frequencies represent the peaks of the curves. You will see from
the diagram that both of the yellow sensitive cones have tails that
extend well into the red. We see red by comparing the relative levels of
the two. People with only one type of yellow cone can\'t do this, which
is why they can\'t tell red from green.

(b) I suspect that any three well separated colours would work. Maybe
RGB was chosen as phosphors and dyes for those colours are available, or
maybe because \"famous scientist\" Maxwell said that we see red, blue and
green.

We can perceive a lot more colours by comparing the relative signals
from the different cones.

I wonder why women tend to be more colour fussy?  Are they being fussy
or accurate?

How we name them is up to us, according to how important they are.

Retinas vary a lot between individuals too, especially males.

Many (mostly male) humans have only two kinds of cones: blue and yellow,
which is what most mammals have.

It\'s nowhere near \"many\".

My other post links to the Wiki article on colour blindness. It\'s about 8%

Males with just the two kinds of cones (referred to a red/green
colour-blind) can see about three distinct colours in the spectrum
instead of six.

Females sometimes have 4.

Showoffs.

--
Max Demian
 
On 08/03/2023 06:06, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 15:55:26 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 13:39:53 +0000, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 27/02/2023 20:55, NY wrote:
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:eek:p.101j6ficmvhs6z@ryzen.home...

So they couldn\'t explain the difference in colour of a lettuce and the
sky?  WTF?

Exactly. It\'s weird that they survived for so long without words to
differentiate colours which most of use see as being different. The
various colours at the blue end of the rainbow (blue, indigo, violet)
are not as easy to differentiate, and I can understand *those* being
thought of as various shades of blue, but red, orange, yellow, green,
blue are all colours that are fairly distinct and deserve individual
names.

Who decide what are distinct colours anyway? To my way of thinking,
there are six /distinct/ colours in the spectrum, red, orange, yellow,
green, blue and violet.

Indigo was added by Newton to make it up to seven, which he regarded as
a magic number.

Human cone cells come in three wavelengths, roughly r-g-b, so if we
name more colors it\'s arbitrary.

Having at least one between each makes sense.  If your eye detects R and
G about equally, there should be a name for that.

Oddly red+green light produced yellow. At least it seems odd to me, but
I can\'t get into others\' heads. Yellow looks completely different from
red and green to me, whereas red+blue produces magenta which looks like
a mixture of red and blue. Blue+green produces cyan, which is more like
a light blue to me, but maybe if it is darker it would look teal, which
is blue-green.

It\'s odd that colour circle (wheel) diagrams look right, and violet
looks like an intermediate between red and blue. Is this a perceptual
matter, or is it that extreme red is twice the wavelength of extreme
blue, in which case it\'s physical? If so, why should this be the case as
our eyes are just adapted to the range of light mostly produced by our Sun?

--
Max Demian
 
On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 06:00:49 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 11:21:43 -0000, Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 27/02/2023 20:55, NY wrote:
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:eek:p.101j6ficmvhs6z@ryzen.home...
On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 13:36:18 -0000, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

\"Max Demian\" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:tsddr3$25g75$1@dont-email.me...
Then why do I remember seeing a blue light?

Green signals are a /bit/ blue I suppose. I think they use blue
glass for
green signals with incandescent bulbs. I\'ve seen that with traffic
signals.

Apparently Japanese traffic lights are blue although the word for
\"green\" is
used. There\'s some convoluted reason for using blue and for calling it
green.
https://theculturetrip.com/asia/japan/articles/japans-blue-traffic-lights-reveal-an-interesting-linguistic-quirk/ -
Japanese didn\'t have a word for green for a long time: vegetables and
grass
are called \"blue\" as well.

So they couldn\'t explain the difference in colour of a lettuce and the
sky? WTF?

Exactly. It\'s weird that they survived for so long without words to
differentiate colours which most of use see as being different. The
various colours at the blue end of the rainbow (blue, indigo, violet)
are not as easy to differentiate, and I can understand *those* being
thought of as various shades of blue, but red, orange, yellow, green,
blue are all colours that are fairly distinct and deserve individual names.

Be careful of that \"most of us\".

Almost everyone can tell blue from red or green. Telling red from green
though affects about 1 in 12 men in the UK (other races may vary).

It\'s not 1 in 12. I\'ve only ever known ONE person who was red/green colour blind.

We do have an internet. You could look it up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness
 
On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 11:22:42 +0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

On 08/03/2023 06:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 11:21:43 -0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 27/02/2023 20:55, NY wrote:

Exactly. It\'s weird that they survived for so long without words to
differentiate colours which most of use see as being different. The
various colours at the blue end of the rainbow (blue, indigo, violet)
are not as easy to differentiate, and I can understand *those* being
thought of as various shades of blue, but red, orange, yellow, green,
blue are all colours that are fairly distinct and deserve individual
names.

Be careful of that \"most of us\".

Almost everyone can tell blue from red or green. Telling red from green
though affects about 1 in 12 men in the UK (other races may vary).

It\'s not 1 in 12.  I\'ve only ever known ONE person who was red/green
colour blind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness#Epidemiology
\" In individuals with Northern European ancestry, as many as 8 percent
of men and 0.4 percent of women experience congenital color deficiency.\"

Maybe you only know 12 people.

Or maybe he doesn\'t test all the people he knows.

Some cultures, especially asians, like bright primary colors. That
could well be genetic.
 
On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 11:33:34 +0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

On 08/03/2023 06:08, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 17:28:35 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 28/02/2023 15:55, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 13:39:53 +0000, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 27/02/2023 20:55, NY wrote:
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:eek:p.101j6ficmvhs6z@ryzen.home...

So they couldn\'t explain the difference in colour of a lettuce and
the
sky?  WTF?

Exactly. It\'s weird that they survived for so long without words to
differentiate colours which most of use see as being different. The
various colours at the blue end of the rainbow (blue, indigo, violet)
are not as easy to differentiate, and I can understand *those* being
thought of as various shades of blue, but red, orange, yellow, green,
blue are all colours that are fairly distinct and deserve
individual names.

Who decide what are distinct colours anyway? To my way of thinking,
there are six /distinct/ colours in the spectrum, red, orange, yellow,
green, blue and violet.

Indigo was added by Newton to make it up to seven, which he regarded as
a magic number.

Human cone cells come in three wavelengths, roughly r-g-b, so if we
name more colors it\'s arbitrary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cone_cell

 From the diagram on the right, it\'s more like blue, greeny-yellow and
yellow if you measure the sensitivities at different frequencies.

I call bullshit.  If the lowest frequency detector was yellow, how do we
see red?  And why does the RGB system on TVs work so well?

(a) The frequencies represent the peaks of the curves. You will see from
the diagram that both of the yellow sensitive cones have tails that
extend well into the red. We see red by comparing the relative levels of
the two. People with only one type of yellow cone can\'t do this, which
is why they can\'t tell red from green.

(b) I suspect that any three well separated colours would work. Maybe
RGB was chosen as phosphors and dyes for those colours are available, or
maybe because \"famous scientist\" Maxwell said that we see red, blue and
green.

We can perceive a lot more colours by comparing the relative signals
from the different cones.

I wonder why women tend to be more colour fussy?  Are they being fussy
or accurate?

How we name them is up to us, according to how important they are.

Retinas vary a lot between individuals too, especially males.

Many (mostly male) humans have only two kinds of cones: blue and yellow,
which is what most mammals have.

It\'s nowhere near \"many\".

My other post links to the Wiki article on colour blindness. It\'s about 8%

Males with just the two kinds of cones (referred to a red/green
colour-blind) can see about three distinct colours in the spectrum
instead of six.

Females sometimes have 4.

Showoffs.

There are clearly differences in male/female color vision. There are
other diffrences, which is nice.
 
On 8 Mar 2023 03:16:12 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 12:47:32 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Tommy Flowers just about managed to make a crude computer out of them...

https://hackaday.com/2021/12/27/single-bit-computer-from-vacuum-tubes/

I consider myself luck to have joined the workforce at the very tail end
of vacuum tube logic. You can implement a NOR gate and you can build
anything from NOR gates if you don\'t mind going insane.

The first DTL and TTL parts were nand and jk flops. Before that, we
had RTL which was mostly nor. Both were horrible, slow and expensive
and unreliable.





Square D\'s first shot at solid state was called NORPAK. Each plug-in
module had 10 NOR gates constructed with discrete components. You wired
them up on the backplane with tapered pin jumpers that you set with
something like an automatic centerpunch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOR_logic
 
On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 12:42:48 +0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

On 07/03/2023 05:16, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 13:46:56 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:

On 28/02/2023 11:38, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 12:47:36 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 18/02/2023 21:48, NY wrote:
On 18/02/2023 12:43, Max Demian wrote:
On 18/02/2023 00:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Mains was always AC wasn\'t it?

If course it wasn\'t (in the UK). Mains was AC or DC, and 120V (or so)
to 250V (or so).

I knew that mains was sometimes DC, but I didn\'t know that it was
sometimes as low as 120 V. I that, AC or DC, it was always around
240 V
(actual for DC, or RMS for AC).

Old mains radios had a switch at the back to set the voltage. Easier
with AC than DC as it just switched the tap on the mains transformer.
For DC there was a dropper resistor. If it had to work on 120V AC/DC
the
set was designed for the lower voltage and had to dissipate the extra
power in a resistor, often built into the mains lead.

What no buck convertors?

I don\'t suppose they had been invented. Anyway, they need transistors.

Don\'t valves do the same job?

You tell me. I\'d never heard of \"buck convertors\". Anyway, valve things
are more complicated than solid state due to power requirements, heat
produced and a shorter lifespan.

The old non-electronic car voltage regulators, in the DC generator
days, used a vibrating reed to adjust the field current. That was a
PWM buck converter: apply the voltage to the load some of the time.
 
On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 11:22:42 +0000, Max Dumbian, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness#Epidemiology
\" In individuals with Northern European ancestry, as many as 8 percent
of men and 0.4 percent of women experience congenital color deficiency.\"

Maybe you only know 12 people.

WTF has all your senile shit got to do with the three ngs you keep
thrashing, senile shithead?

--
Max Dumb having another senile moment:
\"It\'s the consistency of the shit that counts. Sometimes I don\'t need to
wipe, but I have to do so to tell. Also humans have buttocks to get
smeared due to our bipedalism.\"
Message-ID: <6vydnWiYDoV1VUrDnZ2dnUU78QednZ2d@brightview.co.uk>
 
On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 07:04:44 -0800, John Larkin, another obviously brain
dead, troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:

We do have an internet. You could look it up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness

Why should he, when he can have so much fun baiting all you servile
troll-feeding senile assholes with his idiotic \"questions\"? LOL
 
On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 11:33:34 +0000, Max Dumbian, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:


> (a) The frequencies represent the peaks of the curves. You will see from

Is this still the idiotic \"circuit breakers\" thread, you idiotic trolling
and trashing senile SHITHEAD?

--
Max Dumb having another senile moment:
\"It\'s the consistency of the shit that counts. Sometimes I don\'t need to
wipe, but I have to do so to tell. Also humans have buttocks to get
smeared due to our bipedalism.\"
Message-ID: <6vydnWiYDoV1VUrDnZ2dnUU78QednZ2d@brightview.co.uk>
 

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