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John Larkin
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:27:02 +0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
you guys or y\'all.
you guys or y\'all.
M
micky
Guest
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 13 Feb 2023 16:30:21 GMT,
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
I learned when I got to usenet that it was a violation of netiquette to
remove newsgroups from a distribution list.
While the immediate poster P may want his reply to go only to some
groups, those who follow after him F may want posters earlier than P to
see F\'s posts, and may not notice that ngs have been removed.
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
I learned when I got to usenet that it was a violation of netiquette to
remove newsgroups from a distribution list.
While the immediate poster P may want his reply to go only to some
groups, those who follow after him F may want posters earlier than P to
see F\'s posts, and may not notice that ngs have been removed.
C
Carlos E.R.
Guest
On 2023-02-18 22:55, Rod Speed wrote:
Cartagena.
Nope.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 07:25:43 +1100, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-02-18 02:47, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 06:19:29 +1100, Carlos E. R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-02-17 20:12, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 03:05:55 +1100, Carlos E. R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-02-17 04:52, Rod Speed wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 12:45:30 +1100, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-02-16 16:26, Scott Lurndal wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> writes:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 16 Feb 2023 13:30:34 +0100,
\"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-02-16 05:45, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 15 Feb 2023 23:32:44 +0100,
\"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
I think all houses have circuit breakers, but that doesn\'t
mean they
have a fully compliant installation.
I don\'t think they\'ve ever ordered that here. Althought some
people
remodel and upgrade on their own. A friend bought a 100-year old
farmhouse about 10 years ago and it still had knob and tube
wiring. I
think it was connected and in use.
 A lot of insurance companies will exclude electric-caused issues
from the policy if the home has knob and tube here in the states.
I had to look it up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knob-and-tube_wiring
I\'ve never seen it here. Maybe, just maybe, something related
from before I was born. But we don\'t build houses with wood,
like in the photos. All brick, mortar, stone, concrete.
 Bullshit.
https://www.google.com/search?q=wooden+houses+spain&tbm=isch
Did you check the percent?
 You said DON\'T and ALL.
Less than a 0.01% error, probably.
 Don\'t buy that with the prefabs and we can see that your number is a
lie
using google street view.
In cities?
Yep.
In my city I don\'t remember seeing a single wood house.
Which city so I can street view it ?
Cartagena.
Nope.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 10:16:13 +1100, \"Rod Speed\"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
dawlin and honey in the south, by salesgirls for example. That\'s sort
of nice.
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
dawlin and honey in the south, by salesgirls for example. That\'s sort
of nice.
T
The Natural Philosopher
Guest
On 19/02/2023 12:37, Max Demian wrote:
yet to dream up.
If manufacturers want to cope with different voltages and frequencies
they can. Or not, if they dont.
I am fairly sure that one of my guitar amplifiers has an SMPSU that can
cope from 110V AC or DC to 240VAC or DC.
--
âI know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the
greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most
obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of
conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which
they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by
thread, into the fabric of their lives.â
â Leo Tolstoy
+1. A more useless bit of virtue signalling \'harmonisation\' the EU has
yet to dream up.
If manufacturers want to cope with different voltages and frequencies
they can. Or not, if they dont.
I am fairly sure that one of my guitar amplifiers has an SMPSU that can
cope from 110V AC or DC to 240VAC or DC.
--
âI know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the
greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most
obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of
conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which
they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by
thread, into the fabric of their lives.â
â Leo Tolstoy
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rbowman
Guest
On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:48:01 +0000, SteveW wrote:
> I don\'t know any Spanish. I only did French and Latin at school.
Ah, French... Amazon Prime has a series \'Three Pines\' that is set in
Quebec. I couldn\'t figure out one of the detective\'s names until I saw it
written Jean-Guy. I would have picked up on Jean-Paul or Jean-Marie but
Jonkey left me puzzled.
> I don\'t know any Spanish. I only did French and Latin at school.
Ah, French... Amazon Prime has a series \'Three Pines\' that is set in
Quebec. I couldn\'t figure out one of the detective\'s names until I saw it
written Jean-Guy. I would have picked up on Jean-Paul or Jean-Marie but
Jonkey left me puzzled.
R
rbowman
Guest
On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 01:28:53 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> My favourite sports car is a Triumph TR7.
Figures.
https://www.hotcars.com/triumph-tr7-best-avoided-by-gearheads/
The TR3 had a certain quirky charm and was faster than the MGA although
the MGA was better looking. The TR6 was better than the 4 and 5, but the 7
was definitely weird.
The Spitfires were rolling traffic hazards but they weren\'t completely
ugly. The best feature was the forward hinged bonnet so you could sit on
a tire while trying to figure out what was wrong with the engine.
What\'s really depressing is my Toyota econobox could outrun most of the
vintage British sports cars.
> My favourite sports car is a Triumph TR7.
Figures.
https://www.hotcars.com/triumph-tr7-best-avoided-by-gearheads/
The TR3 had a certain quirky charm and was faster than the MGA although
the MGA was better looking. The TR6 was better than the 4 and 5, but the 7
was definitely weird.
The Spitfires were rolling traffic hazards but they weren\'t completely
ugly. The best feature was the forward hinged bonnet so you could sit on
a tire while trying to figure out what was wrong with the engine.
What\'s really depressing is my Toyota econobox could outrun most of the
vintage British sports cars.
S
Sylvia Else
Guest
On 15-Feb-23 8:55 am, Don Y wrote:
A lot of improvements could in theory be made. Houses could be properly
insulated, and sealed, with ventilation provided via heat exchangers.
Entry and exit via rotating doors or air lock style arrangements, and so
on. Windows double or triple glazed, with controlled screens to permit,
or block, direct sunlight, depending on internal temperature. Systems to
store heat and cold, to balance day and night requirements.
Such improvements would limit the need for energy consuming heating and
cooling.
There would of course, be energy inputs to the manufacture and
installation of this stuff, which would have to be taken into account.
But the main issue, as always, is cost. As long as the energy costs are
less than the cost of the capital and maintenance required, it won\'t
happen without regulatory intervention, and the latter is unlikely
because it increases the costs suffered by voters.
A more irksome problem is lack of knowledge. People do not always act in
their own best financial interests, and do not necessarily trust correct
advice that seems counter-intuitive, especially if it comes from
politicians.
Sylvia.
A lot of improvements could in theory be made. Houses could be properly
insulated, and sealed, with ventilation provided via heat exchangers.
Entry and exit via rotating doors or air lock style arrangements, and so
on. Windows double or triple glazed, with controlled screens to permit,
or block, direct sunlight, depending on internal temperature. Systems to
store heat and cold, to balance day and night requirements.
Such improvements would limit the need for energy consuming heating and
cooling.
There would of course, be energy inputs to the manufacture and
installation of this stuff, which would have to be taken into account.
But the main issue, as always, is cost. As long as the energy costs are
less than the cost of the capital and maintenance required, it won\'t
happen without regulatory intervention, and the latter is unlikely
because it increases the costs suffered by voters.
A more irksome problem is lack of knowledge. People do not always act in
their own best financial interests, and do not necessarily trust correct
advice that seems counter-intuitive, especially if it comes from
politicians.
Sylvia.
R
rbowman
Guest
On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 12:57:59 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2600:_The_Hacker_Quarterly
Fun with the phone system... A couple of students set up what amounted to
a PBX in the dorms, something that was completely illegal in the \'60s when
Ma Bell owned everything including the telephone itself. They were
expelled but the rumor was they found gainful employment at AT&T
immediately.
I had one phone that I\'d decorated with acrylic paint in a bored moment. I
got a strange look when I handed it in at the phone store but I imagine
they got phones back in worse shape. It really wasn\'t a good idea to
attach a convenient hammer to something as likely to piss a person off as
a phone. Those old Bakelite handsets had heft to them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2600:_The_Hacker_Quarterly
Fun with the phone system... A couple of students set up what amounted to
a PBX in the dorms, something that was completely illegal in the \'60s when
Ma Bell owned everything including the telephone itself. They were
expelled but the rumor was they found gainful employment at AT&T
immediately.
I had one phone that I\'d decorated with acrylic paint in a bored moment. I
got a strange look when I handed it in at the phone store but I imagine
they got phones back in worse shape. It really wasn\'t a good idea to
attach a convenient hammer to something as likely to piss a person off as
a phone. Those old Bakelite handsets had heft to them.
R
Rod Speed
Guest
On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:36:31 +1100, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
That\'s what ours is derived from.
\'you bugger\' is common between men here.
<jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
That\'s what ours is derived from.
\'you bugger\' is common between men here.
R
Rod Speed
Guest
On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 12:45:30 +1100, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
wrote:
Bullshit.
https://www.google.com/search?q=wooden+houses+spain&tbm=isch
wrote:
Bullshit.
https://www.google.com/search?q=wooden+houses+spain&tbm=isch
R
R D S
Guest
On 11/02/2023 08:16, Commander Kinsey wrote:
So you can\'t turn them on by accident?
I haven\'t read the replies....
So you can\'t turn them on by accident?
D
Don Y
Guest
On 2/14/2023 5:56 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
The timespans involved are often working against such \"investments\".
Am I going to bother installing an energy saving improvement if I
am unlikely to be able to recover its costs in the time that I
own the improved item?
And, there are a shitload of externalities that are glossed over.
Do you count the energy involved in rebuilding a home destroyed
by a hurricane? Earthquake? Flood? Landslide? *If* the area
is known to be PRONE to such events? (insurers factor those things
into their insurance premiums; shouldn\'t they also be \"charged\"
to the occupants of such areas?)
We rely on water pumped into the region from the Central Arizona
Project (a ~300mi long manmade canal augmented with pumping stations,
etc.). Shouldn\'t our energy budget reflect the (energy) cost of
moving that water? And, the energy expended in the creation (and
administration/maintenance) of that structure?
If you don\'t consider these, then you are likely to continue
practices that are unnecessarily wasteful of energy.
[Should The Netherlands have to reflect the energy cost of all that
reclaimed land in their energy budgets? Folks living on islands
that can\'t grow enough food to feed their populations? etc.]
Here, the problem is the (relatively low) cost of energy. Folks
cringe at $4 gas. What\'s a liter cost in the EU?
And, there are so many things that don\'t identify their energy costs
in a meaningful way. There\'s no \"fuel gauge\" on most devices
that alerts you (indirectly) to how often you have to \"fill up\"
and no way of gauging how long that \"tank\" will last you...
The timespans involved are often working against such \"investments\".
Am I going to bother installing an energy saving improvement if I
am unlikely to be able to recover its costs in the time that I
own the improved item?
And, there are a shitload of externalities that are glossed over.
Do you count the energy involved in rebuilding a home destroyed
by a hurricane? Earthquake? Flood? Landslide? *If* the area
is known to be PRONE to such events? (insurers factor those things
into their insurance premiums; shouldn\'t they also be \"charged\"
to the occupants of such areas?)
We rely on water pumped into the region from the Central Arizona
Project (a ~300mi long manmade canal augmented with pumping stations,
etc.). Shouldn\'t our energy budget reflect the (energy) cost of
moving that water? And, the energy expended in the creation (and
administration/maintenance) of that structure?
If you don\'t consider these, then you are likely to continue
practices that are unnecessarily wasteful of energy.
[Should The Netherlands have to reflect the energy cost of all that
reclaimed land in their energy budgets? Folks living on islands
that can\'t grow enough food to feed their populations? etc.]
Here, the problem is the (relatively low) cost of energy. Folks
cringe at $4 gas. What\'s a liter cost in the EU?
And, there are so many things that don\'t identify their energy costs
in a meaningful way. There\'s no \"fuel gauge\" on most devices
that alerts you (indirectly) to how often you have to \"fill up\"
and no way of gauging how long that \"tank\" will last you...
W
whit3rd
Guest
On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 3:30:45 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
Citation, or it didn\'t happen.
Cost, and benefits, all listed, and the chemical identified.
Citation, or it didn\'t happen.
Cost, and benefits, all listed, and the chemical identified.
I
Ian Jackson
Guest
In message <tsqpfn$1mha$2@dont-email.me>, Max Demian
<max_demian@bigfoot.com> writes
We never lost them. In most places, the usual voltage is still around
240V. Without painstakingly checking the latest spec, the official UK
tolerance is 230V +10%/-6%, and the European is 230V +10%/-10%. [You do
the maths!] In my home, it\'s usually between 236 and 240V.
--
Ian
<max_demian@bigfoot.com> writes
We never lost them. In most places, the usual voltage is still around
240V. Without painstakingly checking the latest spec, the official UK
tolerance is 230V +10%/-6%, and the European is 230V +10%/-10%. [You do
the maths!] In my home, it\'s usually between 236 and 240V.
--
Ian
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Carlos E.R.
Guest
On 2023-02-15 00:15, Don Y wrote:
Well, it depends a lot.
It depends on the climate of where you live. And transportation, which
can be private or public, short distance/medium/long.
You have to specify the environment.
Without considering the heating/cooling, and transportation, I can
certainly live under 2KW. I do, in fact. If it is an average, measured
over the whole day, then I can also add heating/cooling to the mix. No
problem.
If you are USAian, then you can\'t
Most people here have a 3..4 Kw limit on the whole house.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
Well, it depends a lot.
It depends on the climate of where you live. And transportation, which
can be private or public, short distance/medium/long.
You have to specify the environment.
Without considering the heating/cooling, and transportation, I can
certainly live under 2KW. I do, in fact. If it is an average, measured
over the whole day, then I can also add heating/cooling to the mix. No
problem.
If you are USAian, then you can\'t
Most people here have a 3..4 Kw limit on the whole house.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
W
whit3rd
Guest
On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 9:41:16 AM UTC-8, Rod Speed wrote:
.... and new grass blades aren\'t the same color as older ones.
But they\'re both called by the same name.
Oh, there\'s a separate word for \'wave\' and \'tsunami\' in English.
But, probably it used to be \'wave and \'tidal wave\' (i.e. no English word for it).
.... and new grass blades aren\'t the same color as older ones.
But they\'re both called by the same name.
Oh, there\'s a separate word for \'wave\' and \'tsunami\' in English.
But, probably it used to be \'wave and \'tidal wave\' (i.e. no English word for it).
S
Scott Lurndal
Guest
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> writes:
That depends on the transmission frequency wavelength; e.g. if
the antenna was shorted from 1/2 wave to 1/4 wave, it will likely
not substantially change the transmission range (depending on
the frequency).
That depends on the transmission frequency wavelength; e.g. if
the antenna was shorted from 1/2 wave to 1/4 wave, it will likely
not substantially change the transmission range (depending on
the frequency).
T
Tabby
Guest
On Tuesday, 21 February 2023 at 07:54:34 UTC, Don Y wrote:
I do
shop kids just talk bs IME. A minority of places have someone that knows their subject
We aren\'t obsessed with ice. It\'s little used, and when it is a tray is more convenient than having to clean out an inbuilt ice system every so often.
we certainly don\'t open them that much. Maybe it\'s connected with obesity.
glass fronted fridges are much less energy efficient, so don\'t reduce energy use
most folk don\'t refrigerate their water
I asked what the point of a 4k fridge was & you\'ve confirmed that they have no real upside. I\'ve never seen a 4k fridge I\'d buy either.
No, small white fridges are made because almost all of us find they meet our needs perfectly well. There are things worth paying extra for, and a fridge is simply not one of them. In fact the more expensive ones are less reliable, and I was quite glad to get rid of one I had years ago - no, not a 4k one
I do
shop kids just talk bs IME. A minority of places have someone that knows their subject
We aren\'t obsessed with ice. It\'s little used, and when it is a tray is more convenient than having to clean out an inbuilt ice system every so often.
we certainly don\'t open them that much. Maybe it\'s connected with obesity.
glass fronted fridges are much less energy efficient, so don\'t reduce energy use
most folk don\'t refrigerate their water
I asked what the point of a 4k fridge was & you\'ve confirmed that they have no real upside. I\'ve never seen a 4k fridge I\'d buy either.
No, small white fridges are made because almost all of us find they meet our needs perfectly well. There are things worth paying extra for, and a fridge is simply not one of them. In fact the more expensive ones are less reliable, and I was quite glad to get rid of one I had years ago - no, not a 4k one
D
Don Y
Guest
On 2/14/2023 6:17 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
In the US, there are wide variations in \"environments\".
I could \"get around\", when I lived in boston, much easier
(i.e., without personal transportation) than I can, here.
Folks who live in \"planned communities\" typically have
most services available in walking/(bike-)riding distances;
not so when the city sprawls...
I\'m sure we *can*. We just don\'t *have* to. And, have very little
incentive to try.
People change their driving habits when gasoline prices climb above
$4/gallon... why do they change BACK when prices fall? (if you could
deal with driving less when prices were high, why can\'t you deal with
those same constraints when they are lower?)
Other forms of energy (natural gas, electricity) tend to see more
gradual changes in pricing. So, you just get accustomed to a
\"$10\" increase in your monthly bill. You might not be happy with
it but it\'s not annoying enough to force changes in behavior.
[Most folks pay $100/month -- or more -- for phone service,
TV/internet, etc. If they are comfortable with that sort of outlay
for the capability of making and receiving phone calls, why would
they fret over a fraction of a dollar, per day, to continue with
the lifestyle to which they\'ve become accustomed?]
I have some lower income, elderly friends that probably have
that much available to them in their \"apartments\". But, they
don\'t have room for multiple TVs, washer/dryer, full-size
refrigerator/range/dishwasher/microwave, garage, etc. They
*might* have a personal laptop and likely a phone. No
\"personal outdoor space\" or the energy/labor required to
maintain it. They\'re unlikely to have any hobbies/activities
that use large amounts of power (woodworking, lathe,
power tools, etc.) or the space to store those types of kit.
And, many of their energy needs are \"institutionalized\"...
there\'s a central heating/cooling plant, a cafeteria that
prepares meals, an \"activities room\" with TV and other
amusements, a \"computer room\" so they have internet access
without having to worry about maintaining a \"personal\"
computer, etc.
In the US, there are wide variations in \"environments\".
I could \"get around\", when I lived in boston, much easier
(i.e., without personal transportation) than I can, here.
Folks who live in \"planned communities\" typically have
most services available in walking/(bike-)riding distances;
not so when the city sprawls...
Without considering the heating/cooling, and transportation, I can certainly
live under 2KW. I do, in fact. If it is an average, measured over the whole
day, then I can also add heating/cooling to the mix. No problem.
If you are USAian, then you can\'t
I\'m sure we *can*. We just don\'t *have* to. And, have very little
incentive to try.
People change their driving habits when gasoline prices climb above
$4/gallon... why do they change BACK when prices fall? (if you could
deal with driving less when prices were high, why can\'t you deal with
those same constraints when they are lower?)
Other forms of energy (natural gas, electricity) tend to see more
gradual changes in pricing. So, you just get accustomed to a
\"$10\" increase in your monthly bill. You might not be happy with
it but it\'s not annoying enough to force changes in behavior.
[Most folks pay $100/month -- or more -- for phone service,
TV/internet, etc. If they are comfortable with that sort of outlay
for the capability of making and receiving phone calls, why would
they fret over a fraction of a dollar, per day, to continue with
the lifestyle to which they\'ve become accustomed?]
I have some lower income, elderly friends that probably have
that much available to them in their \"apartments\". But, they
don\'t have room for multiple TVs, washer/dryer, full-size
refrigerator/range/dishwasher/microwave, garage, etc. They
*might* have a personal laptop and likely a phone. No
\"personal outdoor space\" or the energy/labor required to
maintain it. They\'re unlikely to have any hobbies/activities
that use large amounts of power (woodworking, lathe,
power tools, etc.) or the space to store those types of kit.
And, many of their energy needs are \"institutionalized\"...
there\'s a central heating/cooling plant, a cafeteria that
prepares meals, an \"activities room\" with TV and other
amusements, a \"computer room\" so they have internet access
without having to worry about maintaining a \"personal\"
computer, etc.