Where can I buy a large analogue meter?...

On 15/04/2022 21:28, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2022-04-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

BEVs are very mature technology. There is only a bit left to improve.
Like aircraft and cars in general.

Yeah, they keep saying that about computers, too. And they\'re
constantly proved wrong.
Click to expand...
They are completely right about computers. They cant be clocked any
faster, they cant be made to work with much less power - all they can do
is add more cores.

The only radical breakthrough in the last 20 years has been the solid
state disk.

Curiously not invented by Clive Sinclair or James Dyson, but by real
engineers working in large companies.



--
\"I guess a rattlesnake ain\'t risponsible fer bein\' a rattlesnake, but ah
puts mah heel on um jess the same if\'n I catches him around mah chillun\".
 
On 16 Apr 2022 at 11:06:34 BST, \"The Natural Philosopher\"
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 15/04/2022 21:28, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2022-04-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

BEVs are very mature technology. There is only a bit left to improve.
Like aircraft and cars in general.

Yeah, they keep saying that about computers, too. And they\'re
constantly proved wrong.

They are completely right about computers. They cant be clocked any
faster, they cant be made to work with much less power - all they can do
is add more cores.
Click to expand...

The new(ish) Apple processors use a fraction (between and half and a third) of
the power used by an Intel equivalent.

--
Cheers, Rob
 
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 11:35:52 +0100, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:

On 16 Apr 2022 at 11:06:34 BST, \"The Natural Philosopher\"
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 15/04/2022 21:28, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2022-04-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

BEVs are very mature technology. There is only a bit left to improve.
Like aircraft and cars in general.

Yeah, they keep saying that about computers, too. And they\'re
constantly proved wrong.

They are completely right about computers. They cant be clocked any
faster, they cant be made to work with much less power - all they can do
is add more cores.

The new(ish) Apple processors use a fraction (between and half and a third) of
the power used by an Intel equivalent.
Click to expand...

And this feat of breaking the laws of physics is achieved by?
 
On 16/04/2022 11:35, RJH wrote:
On 16 Apr 2022 at 11:06:34 BST, \"The Natural Philosopher\"
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 15/04/2022 21:28, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2022-04-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

BEVs are very mature technology. There is only a bit left to improve.
Like aircraft and cars in general.

Yeah, they keep saying that about computers, too. And they\'re
constantly proved wrong.

They are completely right about computers. They cant be clocked any
faster, they cant be made to work with much less power - all they can do
is add more cores.


The new(ish) Apple processors use a fraction (between and half and a third) of
the power used by an Intel equivalent.
Click to expand...
That by itself, says nothing
A Z80 uses way less power than a pentium
A motorcycle uses way less power than a ferrari.

--
“Progress is precisely that which rules and regulations did not foresee,”

– Ludwig von Mises
 
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 11:52:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 16/04/2022 11:35, RJH wrote:
On 16 Apr 2022 at 11:06:34 BST, \"The Natural Philosopher\"
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 15/04/2022 21:28, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2022-04-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

BEVs are very mature technology. There is only a bit left to improve.
Like aircraft and cars in general.

Yeah, they keep saying that about computers, too. And they\'re
constantly proved wrong.

They are completely right about computers. They cant be clocked any
faster, they cant be made to work with much less power - all they can do
is add more cores.


The new(ish) Apple processors use a fraction (between and half and a third) of
the power used by an Intel equivalent.

That by itself, says nothing
A Z80 uses way less power than a pentium
A motorcycle uses way less power than a ferrari.
Click to expand...

I like the comparison between Z80 and Apple. About equally usable really.
 
On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 22:46:47 +0100, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

\"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
On 2022-04-14 13:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 11:52:32 +0100, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Apr 2022 11:45:06 +0100) it happened \"Commander
Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in <op.1kl2tgobmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

Where can I buy a large analogue meter? Big enough to show to a room
of people, about a foot long pointer.

Use a small one, camera and monitor?
Or just draw it digitally on a monitor?

Could do, but I remember a long long time ago when I was at school, the
teacher had a voltmeter with a foot long needle. They must exist
somewhere.

It may be stuff specific for schools, not really for labs or industry..

Indeed. And a lot of that stuff just isn\'t made any more,
like orrery\'s, which used to be in every gradeschool science class.
Click to expand...

I\'m sure they\'re in some science museums. I guess now we have to make do with pictures on a computer screen.
 
On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 23:36:13 +0100, danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:

[snip]

Could do, but I remember a long long time ago when I was at school, the
teacher had a voltmeter with a foot long needle. They must exist
somewhere.

It may be stuff specific for schools, not really for labs or industry.

I\'d _love_ to get my hands on one of those foot high by three foot
long slide rules that used to hand from science lab ceilings...
Click to expand...

That\'s not what they were used for. This: https://www.thebrightbeetle.com/shop/wooden-tool-two-large-set-squares-for-blackboard-including-ruler/
was commonly used for belting a noisy pupil, whacking the desk to make a loud noise to get attention, and waking up pupils that had fallen asleep by banging it on the desk 1 inch away from their sleeping head. I saw one get destroyed when it split in two. The single glazed window that half collided with was also shattered.
 
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 04:13:36 +0100, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:

On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 21:46:47 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

\"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
On 2022-04-14 13:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 11:52:32 +0100, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Apr 2022 11:45:06 +0100) it happened \"Commander
Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in <op.1kl2tgobmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

Where can I buy a large analogue meter? Big enough to show to a room
of people, about a foot long pointer.

Use a small one, camera and monitor?
Or just draw it digitally on a monitor?

Could do, but I remember a long long time ago when I was at school, the
teacher had a voltmeter with a foot long needle. They must exist
somewhere.

It may be stuff specific for schools, not really for labs or industry.

Indeed. And a lot of that stuff just isn\'t made any more,
like orrery\'s, which used to be in every gradeschool science class.
There was a small local company that made a lot of the stuff for
schools across Canada and I believe the USA as well. Can\'t remember
the name.
Then there was another company - Ritz Electronics? in New Dundee that
made a lot of custom stiff too
Click to expand...

Make your own town names. Dundee belongs to Scotland and is where I was born.
 
On 2022-04-16, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 15/04/2022 21:28, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2022-04-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

BEVs are very mature technology. There is only a bit left to improve.
Like aircraft and cars in general.

Yeah, they keep saying that about computers, too. And they\'re
constantly proved wrong.

They are completely right about computers. They cant be clocked any
faster, they cant be made to work with much less power - all they can do
is add more cores.

The only radical breakthrough in the last 20 years has been the solid
state disk.
Click to expand...

Radical breakthroughs aren\'t how things happen. Slow and steady wins
the race.

--
Cindy Hamilton
 
On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:35:52 -0000 (UTC)) it happened RJH
<patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote in <t3e668$vfh$1@dont-email.me>
The new(ish) Apple processors use a fraction (between and half and a third) of
the power used by an Intel equivalent.
Click to expand...

The new Green computers will be powered by the cooling fans in reverse
Just keep th\'m in the wind.
 
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 12:40:04 +0100, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:35:52 -0000 (UTC)) it happened RJH
patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote in <t3e668$vfh$1@dont-email.me
The new(ish) Apple processors use a fraction (between and half and a third) of
the power used by an Intel equivalent.

The new Green computers will be powered by the cooling fans in reverse
Just keep th\'m in the wind.
Click to expand...

ROFL! I sold a wind turbine to a yacht person. I wonder if it slowed down the yacht in an equivalent amount to the cups of coffee he brewed with it.
 
On 16 Apr 2022 at 11:52:08 BST, \"The Natural Philosopher\"
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 16/04/2022 11:35, RJH wrote:
On 16 Apr 2022 at 11:06:34 BST, \"The Natural Philosopher\"
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 15/04/2022 21:28, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2022-04-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

BEVs are very mature technology. There is only a bit left to improve.
Like aircraft and cars in general.

Yeah, they keep saying that about computers, too. And they\'re
constantly proved wrong.

They are completely right about computers. They cant be clocked any
faster, they cant be made to work with much less power - all they can do
is add more cores.


The new(ish) Apple processors use a fraction (between and half and a third) of
the power used by an Intel equivalent.

That by itself, says nothing
A Z80 uses way less power than a pentium
A motorcycle uses way less power than a ferrari.
Click to expand...

It says everything. Less power for the same load - google Apple M1
--
Cheers, Rob
 
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 13:31:06 +0100, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:

On 16 Apr 2022 at 11:52:08 BST, \"The Natural Philosopher\"
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 16/04/2022 11:35, RJH wrote:
On 16 Apr 2022 at 11:06:34 BST, \"The Natural Philosopher\"
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 15/04/2022 21:28, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2022-04-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

BEVs are very mature technology. There is only a bit left to improve.
Like aircraft and cars in general.

Yeah, they keep saying that about computers, too. And they\'re
constantly proved wrong.

They are completely right about computers. They cant be clocked any
faster, they cant be made to work with much less power - all they can do
is add more cores.


The new(ish) Apple processors use a fraction (between and half and a third) of
the power used by an Intel equivalent.

That by itself, says nothing
A Z80 uses way less power than a pentium
A motorcycle uses way less power than a ferrari.

It says everything. Less power for the same load - google Apple M1
Click to expand...

I prefer things designed for adults.

I very much doubt Apple can beat Intel anyway.
 
On 16/04/2022 12:39, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2022-04-16, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 15/04/2022 21:28, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2022-04-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

BEVs are very mature technology. There is only a bit left to improve.
Like aircraft and cars in general.

Yeah, they keep saying that about computers, too. And they\'re
constantly proved wrong.

They are completely right about computers. They cant be clocked any
faster, they cant be made to work with much less power - all they can do
is add more cores.

The only radical breakthrough in the last 20 years has been the solid
state disk.

Radical breakthroughs aren\'t how things happen. Slow and steady wins
the race.

Hand wavey platitude.
Click to expand...

In 1976 I got 50mpg out of my car. In 2020 I got 50 mpg...

--
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit
atrocities.”

― Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles à M. Claparede, Professeur de
Théologie à Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de
M. de Voltaire
 
On 16/04/2022 13:31, RJH wrote:
On 16 Apr 2022 at 11:52:08 BST, \"The Natural Philosopher\"
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 16/04/2022 11:35, RJH wrote:
On 16 Apr 2022 at 11:06:34 BST, \"The Natural Philosopher\"
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 15/04/2022 21:28, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2022-04-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

BEVs are very mature technology. There is only a bit left to improve.
Like aircraft and cars in general.

Yeah, they keep saying that about computers, too. And they\'re
constantly proved wrong.

They are completely right about computers. They cant be clocked any
faster, they cant be made to work with much less power - all they can do
is add more cores.


The new(ish) Apple processors use a fraction (between and half and a third) of
the power used by an Intel equivalent.

That by itself, says nothing
A Z80 uses way less power than a pentium
A motorcycle uses way less power than a ferrari.

It says everything. Less power for the same load - google Apple M1
Click to expand...

It says its just another ARM chip, invented *37 years ago* and used in
every mobile phone...


ArtStudents™ think Marketing is engineering.
Bless!

--
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit
atrocities.”

― Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles à M. Claparede, Professeur de
Théologie à Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de
M. de Voltaire
 
lørdag den 16. april 2022 kl. 14.58.53 UTC+2 skrev The Natural Philosopher:
On 16/04/2022 13:31, RJH wrote:
On 16 Apr 2022 at 11:52:08 BST, \"The Natural Philosopher\"
t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 16/04/2022 11:35, RJH wrote:
On 16 Apr 2022 at 11:06:34 BST, \"The Natural Philosopher\"
t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 15/04/2022 21:28, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2022-04-15, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

BEVs are very mature technology. There is only a bit left to improve.
Like aircraft and cars in general.

Yeah, they keep saying that about computers, too. And they\'re
constantly proved wrong.

They are completely right about computers. They cant be clocked any
faster, they cant be made to work with much less power - all they can do
is add more cores.


The new(ish) Apple processors use a fraction (between and half and a third) of
the power used by an Intel equivalent.

That by itself, says nothing
A Z80 uses way less power than a pentium
A motorcycle uses way less power than a ferrari.

It says everything. Less power for the same load - google Apple M1
It says its just another ARM chip, invented *37 years ago* and used in
every mobile phone...
Click to expand...

sure, in the same way the latest Intel CPU is \"just another x86 invented 44 years ago\"
 
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 14:16:02 +0100, Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

lørdag den 16. april 2022 kl. 14.58.53 UTC+2 skrev The Natural Philosopher:
On 16/04/2022 13:31, RJH wrote:
On 16 Apr 2022 at 11:52:08 BST, \"The Natural Philosopher\"
t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 16/04/2022 11:35, RJH wrote:
On 16 Apr 2022 at 11:06:34 BST, \"The Natural Philosopher\"
t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 15/04/2022 21:28, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2022-04-15, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

BEVs are very mature technology. There is only a bit left to improve.
Like aircraft and cars in general.

Yeah, they keep saying that about computers, too. And they\'re
constantly proved wrong.

They are completely right about computers. They cant be clocked any
faster, they cant be made to work with much less power - all they can do
is add more cores.


The new(ish) Apple processors use a fraction (between and half and a third) of
the power used by an Intel equivalent.

That by itself, says nothing
A Z80 uses way less power than a pentium
A motorcycle uses way less power than a ferrari.

It says everything. Less power for the same load - google Apple M1
It says its just another ARM chip, invented *37 years ago* and used in
every mobile phone...

sure, in the same way the latest Intel CPU is \"just another x86 invented 44 years ago\"
Click to expand...

Like Apple could make something better than Intel. Hang on, don\'t Apple subcontract CPUs?
 
On 16 Apr 2022 at 13:58:46 BST, \"The Natural Philosopher\"
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 16/04/2022 13:31, RJH wrote:
On 16 Apr 2022 at 11:52:08 BST, \"The Natural Philosopher\"
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 16/04/2022 11:35, RJH wrote:
On 16 Apr 2022 at 11:06:34 BST, \"The Natural Philosopher\"
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 15/04/2022 21:28, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2022-04-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

BEVs are very mature technology. There is only a bit left to improve.
Like aircraft and cars in general.

Yeah, they keep saying that about computers, too. And they\'re
constantly proved wrong.

They are completely right about computers. They cant be clocked any
faster, they cant be made to work with much less power - all they can do
is add more cores.


The new(ish) Apple processors use a fraction (between and half and a third) of
the power used by an Intel equivalent.

That by itself, says nothing
A Z80 uses way less power than a pentium
A motorcycle uses way less power than a ferrari.

It says everything. Less power for the same load - google Apple M1

It says its just another ARM chip, invented *37 years ago* and used in
every mobile phone...
Click to expand...

Nope. Apple Mac mini M1 power consumption is 3 times lower than Intel model:
A testament of Apple Silicon\'s efficiency

https://www.techspot.com/news/88482-apple-mac-mini-m1-power-consumption-3-times.html

ArtStudents™ think Marketing is engineering.
Bless!
Click to expand...

Really?

--
Cheers, Rob
 
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 16:10:50 +0100, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:

On 16 Apr 2022 at 13:58:46 BST, \"The Natural Philosopher\"
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 16/04/2022 13:31, RJH wrote:
On 16 Apr 2022 at 11:52:08 BST, \"The Natural Philosopher\"
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 16/04/2022 11:35, RJH wrote:
On 16 Apr 2022 at 11:06:34 BST, \"The Natural Philosopher\"
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 15/04/2022 21:28, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2022-04-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

BEVs are very mature technology. There is only a bit left to improve.
Like aircraft and cars in general.

Yeah, they keep saying that about computers, too. And they\'re
constantly proved wrong.

They are completely right about computers. They cant be clocked any
faster, they cant be made to work with much less power - all they can do
is add more cores.


The new(ish) Apple processors use a fraction (between and half and a third) of
the power used by an Intel equivalent.

That by itself, says nothing
A Z80 uses way less power than a pentium
A motorcycle uses way less power than a ferrari.

It says everything. Less power for the same load - google Apple M1

It says its just another ARM chip, invented *37 years ago* and used in
every mobile phone...

Nope. Apple Mac mini M1 power consumption is 3 times lower than Intel model:
A testament of Apple Silicon\'s efficiency

https://www.techspot.com/news/88482-apple-mac-mini-m1-power-consumption-3-times.html
Click to expand...

Yeah right, someone can make a better chip than Intel. ROTFPMSL!

ArtStudents™ think Marketing is engineering.
Bless!

Really?
Click to expand...

Yes really. ART, not Engineering. Different mindset entirely.
 
On 16/04/2022 16:10, RJH wrote:
On 16 Apr 2022 at 13:58:46 BST, \"The Natural Philosopher\"
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 16/04/2022 13:31, RJH wrote:
On 16 Apr 2022 at 11:52:08 BST, \"The Natural Philosopher\"
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 16/04/2022 11:35, RJH wrote:
On 16 Apr 2022 at 11:06:34 BST, \"The Natural Philosopher\"
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 15/04/2022 21:28, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2022-04-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

BEVs are very mature technology. There is only a bit left to improve.
Like aircraft and cars in general.

Yeah, they keep saying that about computers, too. And they\'re
constantly proved wrong.

They are completely right about computers. They cant be clocked any
faster, they cant be made to work with much less power - all they can do
is add more cores.


The new(ish) Apple processors use a fraction (between and half and a third) of
the power used by an Intel equivalent.

That by itself, says nothing
A Z80 uses way less power than a pentium
A motorcycle uses way less power than a ferrari.

It says everything. Less power for the same load - google Apple M1

It says its just another ARM chip, invented *37 years ago* and used in
every mobile phone...


Nope. Apple Mac mini M1 power consumption is 3 times lower than Intel model:
A testament of Apple Silicon\'s efficiency

Oh dear. You are so ignorant you do not even know what and ARM chip is.
https://www.techspot.com/news/88482-apple-mac-mini-m1-power-consumption-3-times.html

See above.

ArtStudents™ think Marketing is engineering.
Bless!

Really?

In your case yes.
Click to expand...

--
“I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the
greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most
obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of
conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which
they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by
thread, into the fabric of their lives.”

― Leo Tolstoy
 
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