What's that black dust in monitors?

[sPoNiX]

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:54:20 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) wrote:

Monitors are left on for hours on end. Tesla coils are rarely
turned on for more than a few seconds at a time as they are definite
FCC violations

I have operated a couple for quite a few hours, and they did not attract
that dust.

An Ioniser is generally left on continuously and attacts 'particles'.

However, this tends to be brownish, not the black stuff that appears
in a monitor/TV Set.

sPoNiX

 

[Mjolinor]

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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:54:20 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) wrote:

Monitors are left on for hours on end. Tesla coils are rarely
turned on for more than a few seconds at a time as they are definite
FCC violations

I have operated a couple for quite a few hours, and they did not
attract
that dust.

An Ioniser is generally left on continuously and attacts 'particles'.

However, this tends to be brownish, not the black stuff that appears
in a monitor/TV Set.

I spend a lot of my life mending TVs so I see a lot. The colour of the dust
is definately related to location. In an office with photocopiers it will be
black, there is a bakery in our town and TVs from within that area have
white dust in, a smokers house has brown horrible smelly stuff (yes I do
smoke) and so on, some of them are absolute health hazards and you really
wouldn't want to touch them with a barge pole.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 03:33:09 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) Gave us:

Do those have a fan to bring in dust besides what the electric field
would attract? Don't they have the electric field more confined than TV
sets have and lower voltages than TV sets have so that the black sooty
dust is less attracted until it gets sucked inside along with other
dust that dominates due to being sucked in by a fan?

Even the most powerful models are only around 6kV.

Most large CRTs are between 15kV and 30kV. Some even higher than
that.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 03:43:08 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) Gave us:

If it was ordinary dust that carbonizes from corona, then I should have
found the dust accumulated somewhere on neon signs and connections thereto
to be of the "electric black dust" form. And I don't see how fluorescent
fixtures (in the unusual but known case that they accumulate some
"electric black dust") would carbonize ordinary dust.
But no, 10-year-old dust everywhere on neon signs seems more ordinary.
Looks more likely that the "electric black dust" is something different
and is different even as soon as it's precipitated from the air. It seems
to be a clue that cobwebs are also rather black in color.

I don't know. I know that a dusty surface ribbed with oily hands
moistens and blackens the dust.

When I score lines on a new, plastic project box for cuts to be
made, I can rub the scores with my fingers, and the dirt on my hands
alone will turn the scores to a black line.

Clothing colors darken upon getting moist or wet. I am certain that
dust will also follow this trend. So, even dust that is not initially
black could easily turn that way if ALSO moisture particles are being
drawn to the surface. Neons hove nowhere near the corona levels found
inside consumer monitors that have "open air" design HV components.

The military and space organizations have known about this, and have
fully potted HV sources for decades. The only remaining open air
stuff is that which is in transmitters, and they are fully caged.

The fact remains that it is indeed an accumulation, and NOT some
kind of emission, as has been earlier put forth by the idiot that
likes to attack me.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 03:48:56 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) Gave us:

25 years ago I got many of my parts from TV sets tossed onto the curb,
so I ahve handled lots of that "electric black dust". I have found it to
usually be a little greasy if you squeeze it and dig into it, although it
is perfectly dry if you touch it lightly.

Oils are non conductive molecules, and are airborne. Cigarette
smoke, cooking smoke... the list goes on. The surface could have
anything short of a conductive material on it. VERY SIMPLE.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:53:57 +1000, MC <mc@non.existant.place> Gave
us:

Argghh....
to the eternal block-list I hereby consign you all,
"Dark Matter", "Rod Speed" and "Phil Allison"

The only thing more retarded than the stupid Rod Speed poster, is the
stupid twit that thinks that his filter edit announcements have some
meaning or purpose. You be lame, boy. You be that retard.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:13:34 +1000, Mike Harding
<mike_harding1@nixspamhotmail.com> Gave us:

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:53:57 +1000, MC <mc@non.existant.place> wrote:


Argghh....
to the eternal block-list I hereby consign you all,
"Dark Matter", "Rod Speed" and "Phil Allison"

You mean you don't think it's amusing watching three
fools spending hours arguing about... dust?

Mike Harding

You're a fucking retard. Rod Speed is hopelessly arguing. The
others seem to have a grasp on reality. You obviously do not, because
you don't even know that you are a fool for calling others fools.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:41:08 +1000, Rob Judd <judd@ob-wan.com> Gave
us:

Mike Harding wrote:

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:53:57 +1000, MC <mc@non.existant.place> wrote:


Argghh....
to the eternal block-list I hereby consign you all,
"Dark Matter", "Rod Speed" and "Phil Allison"

You mean you don't think it's amusing watching three
fools spending hours arguing about... dust?

It's a mote point.

Rob

It's a mote in your eye, you fucking clueless retard.

The word is MOOT, dumbshit.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:44:25 +1000, "Simon Harris" <sh@nospam.com.ru>
Gave us:

MC <mc@non.existant.place> wrote in message
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Argghh....
to the eternal block-list I hereby consign you all,
"Dark Matter", "Rod Speed" and "Phil Allison"

Maybe no one actually cares what
some gutless fuckwit chooses to read ?

Block lists do actually work if you dont
announce what's in them, fuckwit.

But then you wouldnt be able to posture, would you ?

And such a poor posture it is.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 06:49:14 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) Gave us:

But I have seen it in homes without combustion devices. Maybe it is
possible to get such black dust from neighbors or others upwind, and where
I am I certainly think the atmosphere has some soot from diesel-fueled
trucks and buses!

When I was a kid, I could climb a phone pole in five seconds flat.
Up the guy wire.

OI was in TJ, Mexico a few years ago, and jumped up to grab one of
those guy lines, and the damned thing had a half inch of the blackest,
wettest (oil and grease), nastiest shit on the planet on it. That
place is lame, and full of cooking smoke from the street vendors.

Case closed. Moist particulate turns dry brown dust black. Pretty
simple shit.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 06:49:14 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) Gave us:

In my TV-trashpicking experience, the metal is not as much a target.

In the high field area around the HV components, including the
flyback xformer, the fields are so high that the dust in the field can
settle on any surface the field is impressed on. Including nearby
metal chassis parts. Just not as prevalent.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 07:01:59 GMT, Jackie <noreply@bigpond.com> Gave
us:

What about me ????

I asked the original question and I still don't know !!!!!

You should have been able to glean from the posts the fact that it
is a dust accumulation that is influenced by the high corona field
present on anode supplies, and the CRTs they attach to.

Learn how not to top post.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:31:43 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
Gave us:

Jackie <noreply@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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What about me ????

I asked the original question and I still don't know !!!!!

A Japanese would at least have the decency to disembowel itself.

Dont make a mess of the carpet.

You're an idiot. At best.

 

[Rod Speed]

DarkMatter <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote
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don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) Gave us

If it was ordinary dust that carbonizes from corona, then I should have
found the dust accumulated somewhere on neon signs and connections
thereto to be of the "electric black dust" form. And I don't see how
fluorescent fixtures (in the unusual but known case that they accumulate
some "electric black dust") would carbonize ordinary dust.

But no, 10-year-old dust everywhere on neon signs seems more ordinary.
Looks more likely that the "electric black dust" is something different
and is different even as soon as it's precipitated from the air. It seems
to be a clue that cobwebs are also rather black in color.

Mine are mostly pretty transparent, very light colored.

I don't know. I know that a dusty surface ribbed
with oily hands moistens and blackens the dust.

When I score lines on a new, plastic project box for cuts to
be made, I can rub the scores with my fingers, and the dirt
on my hands alone will turn the scores to a black line.

Dark line, anyway. Not the jet black soot
you get adjacent to the FBT in a monitor tho.

Clothing colors darken upon getting moist or wet.

Yes.

I am certain that dust will also follow this trend.

Yes, but it doesnt end up jet black like
the soot adjacent to the FBT in a monitor.

And that jet black soot adjacent to the
FBT in a monitor isnt moist or wet anyway.

So, even dust that is not initially black could easily turn that way
if ALSO moisture particles are being drawn to the surface.

Fraid not. And while dust certainly gets darker when
moist or wet, it lightens in color when it drys out again.
That jet black soot adjacent to the FBT in a monitor isnt
wet or moist at all, and is still jet black when completely
dry when the monitor is quite warm when used in summer.

Neons hove nowhere near the corona levels found inside
consumer monitors that have "open air" design HV components.

The military and space organizations have known about
this, and have fully potted HV sources for decades.

Yes, but thats so you dont end up with moist dusty arc paths.

Nothing to do with where the jet black soot
adjacent to the FBT in a monitor is coming from.

And FBTs are epoxy coated themselves.

The only remaining open air stuff is that which
is in transmitters, and they are fully caged.

The fact remains that it is indeed an accumulation,

Just claiming its a fact doesnt make it a fact.

and NOT some kind of emission,

Just proclaiming that cuts no mustard.

 

[Rod Speed]

DarkMatter <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote
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don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote

and that would explain its being attracted to positively
charged surfaces, especially any with corona.

The inside of a monitor case doesnt have that.

Certainly parts of the case closer to positive
high voltage points would have a positive charge,

Not the sheet metal bits close to the FBT and
they have the same jet black soot on them.

and in a few cases much of the inside of the case can do that.

But not the metal.

In my TV-trashpicking experience, the metal is not as much a target.

In the high field area around the HV components, including the
flyback xformer, the fields are so high that the dust in the field can
settle on any surface the field is impressed on.

Pity what was clearly being discussed
there was 'positively charged surfaces'

Including nearby metal chassis parts. Just not as prevalent.

In fact there is MORE soot on the metal, just because its closer
to the FBT than the inside surface of the case adjacent is.

 

[Rod Speed]

DarkMatter <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote
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Rob Judd <judd@ob-wan.com> wrote
Mike Harding wrote
MC <mc@non.existant.place> wrote

Argghh....
to the eternal block-list I hereby consign you all,
"Dark Matter", "Rod Speed" and "Phil Allison"

You mean you don't think it's amusing watching three
fools spending hours arguing about... dust?

It's a mote point.

It's a mote in your eye, you fucking clueless retard.

The word is MOOT, dumbshit.

That was one of those funky plays on words, Joyce.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:28:47 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
Gave us:

DarkMatter <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote
in message news:ck1umv8va58qbhngb49314ur2tjhh3bd5s@4ax.com...
don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) Gave us

If it was ordinary dust that carbonizes from corona, then I should have
found the dust accumulated somewhere on neon signs and connections
thereto to be of the "electric black dust" form. And I don't see how
fluorescent fixtures (in the unusual but known case that they accumulate
some "electric black dust") would carbonize ordinary dust.

But no, 10-year-old dust everywhere on neon signs seems more ordinary.
Looks more likely that the "electric black dust" is something different
and is different even as soon as it's precipitated from the air. It seems
to be a clue that cobwebs are also rather black in color.

Mine are mostly pretty transparent, very light colored.

Learn to answer HIS post when you want to refer to HIS words,
dipshit.

I don't know. I know that a dusty surface ribbed
with oily hands moistens and blackens the dust.

When I score lines on a new, plastic project box for cuts to
be made, I can rub the scores with my fingers, and the dirt
on my hands alone will turn the scores to a black line.

Dark line, anyway. Not the jet black soot
you get adjacent to the FBT in a monitor tho.

Clothing colors darken upon getting moist or wet.

Yes.

I am certain that dust will also follow this trend.

Yes, but it doesnt end up jet black like
the soot adjacent to the FBT in a monitor.

Yes, it can.

And that jet black soot adjacent to the
FBT in a monitor isnt moist or wet anyway.

Not with water.

So, even dust that is not initially black could easily turn that way
if ALSO moisture particles are being drawn to the surface.

Fraid not.

Afraid so, dipshit.

And while dust certainly gets darker when
moist or wet, it lightens in color when it drys out again.

Again, the "moisture" we refer to here is NOT water. Try to keep
up.

That jet black soot adjacent to the FBT in a monitor isnt
wet or moist at all, and is still jet black when completely
dry when the monitor is quite warm when used in summer.

You keep grasping at straws. Face it, dipshit... FBTs do NOT give
off any emissions other than electrical or magnetic ones, and the dust
inside a monitor is an accumulation that is caused directly by the
e-fields present in proximity to said accumulations.

Neons hove nowhere near the corona levels found inside
consumer monitors that have "open air" design HV components.

The military and space organizations have known about
this, and have fully potted HV sources for decades.

Yes, but thats so you dont end up with moist dusty arc paths.

DOH! What have we been discussing, dweeb boy?

Nothing to do with where the jet black soot
adjacent to the FBT in a monitor is coming from.

It is an accumulation FROM the air, dingbat. Nothing more.

And FBTs are epoxy coated themselves.

The only remaining open air stuff is that which
is in transmitters, and they are fully caged.

The fact remains that it is indeed an accumulation,

Just claiming its a fact doesnt make it a fact.

No, but decades of experience and several years of HV experience
DOES.

and NOT some kind of emission,

Just proclaiming that cuts no mustard.

RETARD. FBTs do NOT give of black soot. How can you be soooo

fucking retarded, and claim to have been trained?

Cutting mustard is something that will forever elude a retard such
as yourself.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 05:07:33 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
Gave us:

DarkMatter <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote
in message news:dn2umv8n9q90oqicsp9q2flhip9i35issf@4ax.com...
don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote

and that would explain its being attracted to positively
charged surfaces, especially any with corona.

The inside of a monitor case doesnt have that.

Certainly parts of the case closer to positive
high voltage points would have a positive charge,

Not the sheet metal bits close to the FBT and
they have the same jet black soot on them.

and in a few cases much of the inside of the case can do that.

But not the metal.

In my TV-trashpicking experience, the metal is not as much a target.

In the high field area around the HV components, including the
flyback xformer, the fields are so high that the dust in the field can
settle on any surface the field is impressed on.

Pity what was clearly being discussed
there was 'positively charged surfaces'

Pity? Would you please grow the fuck up, boy?

A grounded metal chassis has no charge on it. Doh!

If it is in proximity to a high strength field, however, it can
accumulate dust, right along with the charged surfaces. And nobody
ever said what polarity they had, except for your lame ass.

Including nearby metal chassis parts. Just not as prevalent.

In fact there is MORE soot on the metal, just because its closer
to the FBT than the inside surface of the case adjacent is.

The word for today is FIELD. Learn it. Try to get out of the pit
you are in, boy.

 

[Zak]

Don Klipstein wrote:

I sure see many thousands of diesel trucks, enough of which spew soot
into the air.

And what about tire rubber and carbon? That rubber goes somewhere...


Thomas

 

[Mike Harding]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 07:39:56 -0700, DarkMatter
<DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:13:34 +1000, Mike Harding
mike_harding1@nixspamhotmail.com> Gave us:

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:53:57 +1000, MC <mc@non.existant.place> wrote:


Argghh....
to the eternal block-list I hereby consign you all,
"Dark Matter", "Rod Speed" and "Phil Allison"

You mean you don't think it's amusing watching three
fools spending hours arguing about... dust?

Mike Harding


You're a fucking retard. Rod Speed is hopelessly arguing. The
others seem to have a grasp on reality. You obviously do not, because
you don't even know that you are a fool for calling others fools.

I said you were a fool first - so there!

Mike Harding