What's that black dust in monitors?

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DarkMatter wrote:

Game,set, and match, my ass. You want a match, go look at a big
cowpie, then go look in a mirror.

Now THAT is fucking hilarious!

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:47:11 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
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DarkMatter <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote
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Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

I've deleted all your puerile shit and ignored
your post that are nothing but puerile shit.

And you dont get that black soot inside an electrical
heater where there is something to burn the dust.

Electrical heaters radiate huge amounts of IR and air
convection currents as well. No dust gets anywhere near them.

Have fun explaining the considerable dust inside my fan heaters.

NOT around the radiating elements though, dipshit. Only in the air

passages. You know... plenums... gratings... etc.

Do try to keep up, boy.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:51:47 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
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It is dust. It just happens to take on a different
color than the dust accumulations in PCs.

Dust color discrimination eh ? So its fairys sorting out the
different colored dust and putting the jet black dust into the
monitors and the other non jet black dust into the PCs and
onto the front glass tube surface of the monitors eh ?

What part of the words "take on" are you having trouble gleaning the
meaning of, little boy. Does everyone have to hold your hand through
EVERY post, you retarded fuk?

It is NOT that color when it settles and attaches. IT TAKES ON that
color AFTER is has been there a while, you stupid twit!

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:51:47 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
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Yep, like the FBT. Which might just explain why the
jet black soot that you get on the inside surface of
the case is adjacent to the FBT. Funny that.

Not epoxy encapsulated, dipshit. I was referring to a semiconductor
package smoking. Please leave the thread. You are an absolute retard
as it relates to electronics.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:51:47 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
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Doesnt have to have failed. All monitors that have been
used for any length of time have that jet black soot on
the inside surface of the monitor case adjacent to the FBT.

Game, set and match, I believe.

You're an idiot. They give off nothing. They exhibit a field,
however, which DOES attract particulate. What is so hard about that
for your 4 inch thick skull to grasp?

 

[Rod Speed]

Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
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DarkMatter wrote
Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

Have fun explaining why you dont get that
on the HT lead from the FBT to the tube.

I do see that stuff on a fair number of those leads.

At the end away from the FBT ? Its not surprising
that you get some one the FBT end given that the
black soot ends up on all surfaces around the FBT.

Or with Tesla coils either.

Monitors are left on for hours on end. Tesla coils are
rarely turned on for more than a few seconds at a time

Fair point.

as they are definite FCC violations

Thats not the reason they arent left on for
anything like the sort of time monitors are.

I have operated a couple for quite a few
hours, and they did not attract that dust.

The ESD air 'purifiers' certainly do. But its not
black soot, just whats obviously visibly just dust.

I suspect DC electric fields pull that stuff
out of air more than AC electric fields do.

Probably, but the ESD air 'purifiers' are DC.

(And those fluorescent fixtures that had it may have
needed 50,000 hours to get a noticeable amount.)

I've never seen the same jet black soot with them.

And the ones in my house are over 30
years in use now, with no cleaning at all.

Neon signs don't seem to attract that black dust with the
"electric dust odor" that increases when I wipe it off.
Maybe being more exposed and the lack of DC allows
a different dust to dominate, so that the dust is not black.

Yeah, no argument that substantial voltages do end
up attracting a lot of dust. Thats very graphic with the
outside front surface of the glass tube with monitors
and TVs. Its just dust colored tho, not jet black soot.

 

[Rod Speed]

DarkMatter <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote

Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

It is dust. It just happens to take on a different
color than the dust accumulations in PCs.

Dust color discrimination eh ? So its fairys sorting out the
different colored dust and putting the jet black dust into the
monitors and the other non jet black dust into the PCs and
onto the front glass tube surface of the monitors eh ?

Reams of your puerile ranting flushed where it belongs.

It is NOT that color when it settles and attaches. IT
TAKES ON that color AFTER is has been there a while

Have fun explaining how the dust that settles
on the inside of the monitor case adjacent to
the FBT 'takes on' that jet black color.

AND other dust colored dust inside the monitor case doesnt.

 

[Rod Speed]

DarkMatter <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote

Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
DarkMatter <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote

Also, there could have been an epoxy encapsulated device

Yep, like the FBT. Which might just explain why the
jet black soot that you get on the inside surface of
the case is adjacent to the FBT. Funny that.

Not epoxy encapsulated,

Fraid so.

I was referring to a semiconductor package smoking.

You have always been, and always
will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.

 

[Rod Speed]

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Rod Speed wrote
Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Not that I want to be caught agreeing with DarkMatter on anything, but
I have both seen and heard of enough black dust on TV/monitor faces.

Thats not the jet black soot you get on the inside of the case adjacent
to the FTB with what you do get on the outside glass tube surface.

Sometimes, although more often not, it is black

It never is around here. Presumably the dirt is different colored.

and has the "inside-of-a-TV" odor when you wipe it.

Mine doesnt.

Presumably you get that in black soil areas where the dust is very dark.

The dust around here is reddish brown and thats what
builds up on the outside front surface of the tube, due to
electrostatic attraction. I still get that jet black soot on
the inside of the case near the FBT, so that cant just be dust.

Dust on my monitor face is darker than other dust in my home.

Mine isnt. And I just checked that using a damp paper towel,
and both a monitor screen and a table top thats visibly dusty.

And the soil in my area, and in the neighborhood
several miles northeast of me where the TV had
"inside-of-a-TV-like" dust on the front face, is not that dark.

Even dust with the odor of that accumulating in the flyback
transformer area. My hypothesis is greasy/stick/tarry particles,

The black soot on the inside of the monitor case near the FBT
isnt sticky/tarry/greasy at all, its completely dry to the touch.

I think tarry/greasy particles coated with soot (or something
else dry) or oxidized into something with a drier surface.

Dont buy that either, the jet black soot is too fine.

Maybe similar to cobwebs - which are dry to the touch initially,
but turn out to be gooky if you roll them up in your hands.

The jet black soot from the inside of the monitor
case adjacent to the FBT never gets 'gooky'
no matter how much you rub it with your fingers.

And cobwebs are black

Not here they arent. Quite a light brown, actually.

- certainly darker than ordinary dust

Dont get that either, if anything they are lighter.

- and it does appear to me that electric fields and maybe
ionic currents play a role in their stringy formation.

What ? There are no electric fields near any of my cobwebs.

So is the dust that gets electrostatically attracted
to the front surface of the tube, just a completely
different color and coarser/more gritty to the feel.

Usually, not always.

Always around here. Never get anything as fine as the jet black soot.

 

[Rod Speed]

"Don Klipstein" <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message news:slrnbmscvu.e24.don@manx.misty.com...

In article <bkjhps$2bcv1$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de>, Rod Speed wrote:

DarkMatter <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote
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Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

Dust ends up in PC regardless of moisture and or
tars and isnt anything like the color of the black stuff in
monitors. So it cant be just dust as some have claimed.

It is dust. It just happens to take on a different
color than the dust accumulations in PCs.

Dust color discrimination eh ? So its fairys sorting out the
different colored dust and putting the jet black dust into the
monitors and the other non jet black dust into the PCs and
onto the front glass tube surface of the monitors eh ?

Yup!

Not all dust particles are equally prone to carrying charges.
Different materials rank differently on the "triboelectric scale".
Maybe that black stuff is prone to carrying negative charges,

There aint no jet black soot/dust around here
except inside monitor cases adjacent to the FBT.

But I have entirely electrical heating.

and that would explain its being attracted to positively
charged surfaces, especially any with corona.

The inside of a monitor case doesnt have that.

Ever notice that cobwebs are not the same color as ordinary dust?

They're lighter colored than the dust here.

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <q9hqmvk4d4gndffigj5tjkjiev4jfv8k0f@4ax.com>, DarkMatter wrote:

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:58:30 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com
Gave us:

Have fun explaining why you dont get that
on the HT lead from the FBT to the tube.

I do see that stuff on a fair number of those leads.

Or with Tesla coils either.

Monitors are left on for hours on end. Tesla coils are rarely
turned on for more than a few seconds at a time as they are definite
FCC violations

I have operated a couple for quite a few hours, and they did not attract
that dust. I suspect DC electric fields pull that stuff out of air more
than AC electric fields do. (And those fluorescent fixtures that had it
may have needed 50,000 hours to get a noticeable amount.)
Neon signs don't seem to attract that black dust with the "electric
dust odor" that increases when I wipe it off. Maybe being more exposed
and the lack of DC allows a different dust to dominate, so that the dust
is not black.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <bkjfel$2eb1d$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de>, Rod Speed wrote:

"Don Klipstein" <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message news:slrnbmqchi.7j4.don@manx.misty.com...
In article <bkfjs2$1b6c6$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de>, Rod Speed wrote:

Not that I want to be caught agreeing with DarkMatter on anything, but
I have both seen and heard of enough black dust on TV/monitor faces.

Thats not the jet black soot you get on the inside of the case adjacent
to the FTB with what you do get on the outside glass tube surface.

Sometimes, although more often not, it is black and has the
"inside-of-a-TV" odor when you wipe it.

Presumably you get that in black soil areas where the dust is very dark.

The dust around here is reddish brown and thats what
builds up on the outside front surface of the tube, due to
electrostatic attraction. I still get that jet black soot on
the inside of the case near the FBT, so that cant just be dust.

Dust on my monitor face is darker than other dust in my home. And the
soil in my area, and in the neighborhood several miles northeast of me
where the TV had "inside-of-a-TV-like" dust on the front face, is not that
dark.

Even dust with the odor of that accumulating in the flyback
transformer area. My hypothesis is greasy/stick/tarry particles,

The black soot on the inside of the monitor case near the FBT
isnt sticky/tarry/greasy at all, its completely dry to the touch.

I think tarry/greasy particles coated with soot (or something else dry)
or oxidized into something with a drier surface. Maybe similar to cobwebs
- which are dry to the touch initially, but turn out to be gooky if you
roll them up in your hands. And cobwebs are black - certainly darker
than ordinary dust - and it does appear to me that electric fields and
maybe ionic currents play a role in their stringy formation.

So is the dust that gets electrostatically attracted
to the front surface of the tube, just a completely
different color and coarser/more gritty to the feel.

Usually, not always.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <bkjhps$2bcv1$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de>, Rod Speed wrote:

DarkMatter <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote
in message news:gmgqmvs1rnlnnltu4086t5gcmhsh8rhq2f@4ax.com...
Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

Dust ends up in PC regardless of moisture and or
tars and isnt anything like the color of the black stuff in
monitors. So it cant be just dust as some have claimed.

It is dust. It just happens to take on a different
color than the dust accumulations in PCs.

Dust color discrimination eh ? So its fairys sorting out the
different colored dust and putting the jet black dust into the
monitors and the other non jet black dust into the PCs and
onto the front glass tube surface of the monitors eh ?

Yup!

Not all dust particles are equally prone to carrying charges. Different
materials rank differently on the "triboelectric scale". Maybe that black
stuff is prone to carrying negative charges, and that would explain its
being attracted to positively charged surfaces, especially any with
corona.

Ever notice that cobwebs are not the same color as ordinary dust?

- Don lipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:54:20 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) Gave us:

In article <q9hqmvk4d4gndffigj5tjkjiev4jfv8k0f@4ax.com>, DarkMatter wrote:
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:58:30 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com
Gave us:

Have fun explaining why you dont get that
on the HT lead from the FBT to the tube.

I do see that stuff on a fair number of those leads.

Or with Tesla coils either.

Monitors are left on for hours on end. Tesla coils are rarely
turned on for more than a few seconds at a time as they are definite
FCC violations

I have operated a couple for quite a few hours, and they did not attract
that dust. I suspect DC electric fields pull that stuff out of air more
than AC electric fields do. (And those fluorescent fixtures that had it
may have needed 50,000 hours to get a noticeable amount.)
Neon signs don't seem to attract that black dust with the "electric
dust odor" that increases when I wipe it off. Maybe being more exposed
and the lack of DC allows a different dust to dominate, so that the dust
is not black.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

The anode lead is DC, but it fluctuates. It is simply dust, AND
moist or oily particulate that has carburized after being there for so
long. TIME is the big factor here. Even after several hours, a tesla
coil wouldn't start to gather dust. It is an entirely different
animal. AC, not electrostatic as in the charged capacitor that a huge
CRT tube IS. Hehehe...

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:15:45 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
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as they are definite FCC violations

Thats not the reason they arent left on for
anything like the sort of time monitors are.

Yes, it is most definitely one assured reason. The main reason in
this country.

Do fines and jail time sound desirable to you, dipshit?

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:15:45 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
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Probably, but the ESD air 'purifiers' are DC.

No. They are very high frequency rectified AC switcher output,
usually. Quite noisy actually, with ripple figures in hundreds of
volts.

They are not "air purifiers" either, dufus. ESD "fans" for the work
bench are for carrying the flux smoke from soldering operations away
from the operator.

AT NO TIME should forced air be blown across an ESD workstation.
The fans are for PULLING air away from the work area ONLY.

They also DO NOT clean the air. They merely have a medium level
ionizer integrated into them. No cleaning, just ions, and air.

Get your shit straight, you guess as you go twit.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:15:45 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
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Its just dust colored tho, not jet black soot.


Your brain is full of jet black soot. You ARE the one!

Bwuhahahahahahahahahah...

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:19:01 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
Gave us:

DarkMatter <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote
Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

It is dust. It just happens to take on a different
color than the dust accumulations in PCs.

Dust color discrimination eh ? So its fairys sorting out the
different colored dust and putting the jet black dust into the
monitors and the other non jet black dust into the PCs and
onto the front glass tube surface of the monitors eh ?

Reams of your puerile ranting flushed where it belongs.

This is one of the most retarded remarks that you make, and you make
it often. Says a lot about you.

It is NOT that color when it settles and attaches. IT
TAKES ON that color AFTER is has been there a while

Have fun explaining how the dust that settles
on the inside of the monitor case adjacent to
the FBT 'takes on' that jet black color.

Have fun being a simple dolt retard about it.

AND other dust colored dust inside the monitor case doesnt.

Yer an idiot.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:21:03 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
Gave us:

DarkMatter <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote
Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
DarkMatter <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote

Also, there could have been an epoxy encapsulated device

Yep, like the FBT. Which might just explain why the
jet black soot that you get on the inside surface of
the case is adjacent to the FBT. Funny that.

Not epoxy encapsulated,

Fraid so.

You're an idiot... A retard even.

I was referring to a semiconductor package smoking.

You have always been, and always
will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.

You should really stop trying to project your insignificance onto
others. You fail miserably.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:02:15 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
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and that would explain its being attracted to positively
charged surfaces, especially any with corona.

The inside of a monitor case doesnt have that.

You're an idiot. Whenever a corona field is present it affects all
the surfaces around it. Were your precious monitor encased in a
metallic faraday cage, I would agree. Being that it is in a
non-conductive plastic shell, I would have to say that ANY fields
inside the case affect the inside surface of the case, since it is
non-conductive.

PRETTY FUCKIN' BASIC, BOY!