What's that black dust in monitors?

[Ken Taylor]

"Zak" <Zak@spam.invalid> wrote in message
newspJbb.6239$P51.10479@amstwist00...

Don Klipstein wrote:

I sure see many thousands of diesel trucks, enough of which spew soot
into the air.

And what about tire rubber and carbon? That rubber goes somewhere...


Thomas

I've seen this black 'stuff' on monitors in the Pacific islands - there sure

as hell weren't enough diesel vehicles (or tyres, for that matter!) to do
this.

Ken

 

[Tony Turner]

Actually, it's Tooth-fairy droppings. Not many people know this, because
most people think tooth-fairies are large. This is easy to believe if you
think that each tooth is removed by only one tooth-fairy, but in fact it
takes a multitude of tiny tooth-fairies to take away each tooth and a
similar multitude to replace it with cash. Before computers, the
tooth-fairies used to live in the fireplace, ever vigilant for gap-toothed
ankle-biters, and their droppings coated the inside of chimneys. Now they
prefer to live in the warm seclusion of monitors. By the way, it will be
pointless to peer into the monitor looking for the fairies: just as no-one
has ever seen tooth-fairies actually removing a tooth, so no-one will ever
see them inside the monitor. Trust me.

 

[Rod Speed]

Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
news:slrnbmuund.gma.don@manx.misty.com...

Rod Speed wrote
Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote

(I have heard of a few older negative ion generators
that cause black dust to fly onto walls!)

Cant see how they can do that when there aint no black dust.

Or not visible until concentrated by those particular devices that
precipitate and concentrate such black dust into noticeable deposits?

Dont believe there is any thats invisible
when only electrical heating is used.

I sure see many thousands of diesel trucks,
enough of which spew soot into the air.

You dont get much black soot inside houses from those.

And more-badly-out-of-tune cars do some of the same.

Nope. And bugger all of that ends up inside houses anyway.

Along with enough nearby buildings that have combustion
sources, including 40-plus-year-old oil-fueled heating
systems within a mile from me often upwind from me.

We dont see much of that anymore, oil fueled.

Very common in and near Philadelphia!

Completely irrelevant. You have to explain how monitors
used here in houses with only electrical heating and cooking
get that jet black soot on all areas adjacent to the FBT.

Thats the EVIDENCE that it cant be coming
from the oil heater combustion products.

Basic logic.

No matter how clean my home is in terms of not adding
soot to the air in it, I have to import air from elsewhere
or else the CO2 level would become unacceptable and
the oxygen level would drop from my respiration.

Doesnt mean you import much 'invisible soot'

I get black dust accumulating in my TV
and my monitor in a 4th floor apartment!

You claimed you get it everywhere, not just in the TV and monitor.

I dont buy that.

Heck, "particulates" ("usually from combustion and industrial processes"
as far as I remember) is usually the Number 2 air pollutant reported in
my metropolitan area and often at levels worse than "good"!

Yes, but that aint necessarily the jet black we are discussing.

Most smog seen with citys is actually brown, not jet black.

The brown color is mainly from nitrogen dioxide,

Its more complicated than that. Its mostly brown because
of the particle size. You get brown even from just dust.

which is usually the 3rd worst pollutant in the
Philadelphia area in terms of health even though
it colors the air more than soot and ozone do.

You dont get much jet black soot in the air,
even when everyone is using wood heating.
You get a very grey haze instead.

 

[Rod Speed]

"Don Klipstein" <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message news:slrnbmv01q.gma.don@manx.misty.com...

In article <bkmffk$3b74h$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de>, Rod Speed wrote:

Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in

Are your webs spider webs?

Yep.

That supports my assertions related to cobwebs,

Nope.

since I was talking about ones that are not made by spiders.

No such animal.

There is such a thing as cobwebs made of nothing but dust,

Nope.
Nope. No such animal.

Tried web searching... Looks like you're right on that one, and cobwebs
made solely of dust was something that I heard incorrectly before.

Yeah, you can certainly get dust sticking to what
are very light colored, almost transparent webs.

My cobwebs are definitely at least part dust and are usually
very dark in color, much darker than most of the dust in my home.

I dont get that at all. Not at all clear why mine are much lighter than yours.

The darkest mine ever get is a light grey, particularly when its
been rolled up. Mostly they are a buff/beige/light brown color.

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <bkmdp0$370oo$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de>, Rod Speed wrote:

Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in
message news:slrnbmt7fi.c3f.don@manx.misty.com...
Rod Speed wrote
Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote

(I have heard of a few older negative ion generators
that cause black dust to fly onto walls!)

Cant see how they can do that when there aint no black dust.

Or not visible until concentrated by those particular devices that
precipitate and concentrate such black dust into noticeable deposits?

Dont believe there is any thats invisible
when only electrical heating is used.

I sure see many thousands of diesel trucks,
enough of which spew soot into the air.

You dont get much black soot inside houses from those.

And more-badly-out-of-tune cars do some of the same.

Nope. And bugger all of that ends up inside houses anyway.

Along with enough nearby buildings that have combustion
sources, including 40-plus-year-old oil-fueled heating
systems within a mile from me often upwind from me.

We dont see much of that anymore, oil fueled.

Very common in and near Philadelphia!

No matter how clean my home is in terms of not adding
soot to the air in it, I have to import air from elsewhere
or else the CO2 level would become unacceptable and
the oxygen level would drop from my respiration.

Doesnt mean you import much 'invisible soot'

I get black dust accumulating in my TV
and my monitor in a 4th floor apartment!

You claimed you get it everywhere, not just in the TV and monitor.

I dont buy that.

Heck, "particulates" ("usually from combustion and industrial processes"
as far as I remember) is usually the Number 2 air pollutant reported in
my metropolitan area and often at levels worse than "good"!

Yes, but that aint necessarily the jet black we are discussing.

Most smog seen with citys is actually brown, not jet black.

The brown color is mainly from nitrogen dioxide, which is usually the
3rd worst pollutant in the Philadelphia area in terms of health even
though it colors the air more than soot and ozone do.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[DarkMatter]

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:14:54 +1000, Mike Harding
<mike_harding1@nixspamhotmail.com> Gave us:

You're a fucking retard. Rod Speed is hopelessly arguing. The
others seem to have a grasp on reality. You obviously do not, because
you don't even know that you are a fool for calling others fools.

I said you were a fool first - so there!

My entire point was that IDIOTS like you that go 'round calling
others "fool" are the true fools. Ever gander in your bible where the
lord says "Never say 'thou fool'". ??? Huh, you dipshit?

 

[DarkMatter]

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:50:11 +1000, "Tony Turner" <tonyt@sci.net.au>
Gave us:

Actually, it's Tooth-fairy droppings. Not many people know this, because
most people think tooth-fairies are large. This is easy to believe if you
think that each tooth is removed by only one tooth-fairy, but in fact it
takes a multitude of tiny tooth-fairies to take away each tooth and a
similar multitude to replace it with cash. Before computers, the
tooth-fairies used to live in the fireplace, ever vigilant for gap-toothed
ankle-biters, and their droppings coated the inside of chimneys. Now they
prefer to live in the warm seclusion of monitors. By the way, it will be
pointless to peer into the monitor looking for the fairies: just as no-one
has ever seen tooth-fairies actually removing a tooth, so no-one will ever
see them inside the monitor. Trust me.

Hahahahah... I like it.

However, if no one can see them, how do YOU know that it's twoo?

Huge zipping sound...

It's Twoo! It's TWOO!

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:12:35 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) Gave us:

I just tried adding some water to some ordinary dust and rubbing it
with my fingers. It got darker, but not jet black like the dust in TV
sets. I think some kinds of dust particles are more atracted to the high
voltage points in TV sets than other kinds are.

Either that, or it gets carburized by the corona.

I do know for a fact that Flyback xformers do NOT exhibit
particulate... just volts.

WHatever the "TYPE" of dust, it certainly is sourced externally. My
monitor here right in front of me is that way... even on the exterior,
in the area of the anode supply hardware.

It is VERY dusty in this reclaimed dessert portion of California.
Ny monitors and the PCs have to be cleaned often. The monitor, once a
year, and the PCs 4 or more times a year. All since I moved out here
from the more coastal area I was at.

The idiot that thinks his FBT gives off "black soot" is merely an
abject idiot, nothing more.

 

[Mike Harding]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:43:34 -0700, DarkMatter
<DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:14:54 +1000, Mike Harding
mike_harding1@nixspamhotmail.com> Gave us:

You're a fucking retard. Rod Speed is hopelessly arguing. The
others seem to have a grasp on reality. You obviously do not, because
you don't even know that you are a fool for calling others fools.

I said you were a fool first - so there!


My entire point was that IDIOTS like you that go 'round calling
others "fool" are the true fools. Ever gander in your bible where the
lord says "Never say 'thou fool'". ??? Huh, you dipshit?

Ha! You don't fool me!

Mike Harding

PS. I don't own a copy of the bible. Anyway, I know how it
ends.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:24:28 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
Gave us:


snip

Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote:

Very common in and near Philadelphia!

Completely irrelevant. You have to explain how monitors
used here in houses with only electrical heating and cooking
get that jet black soot on all areas adjacent to the FBT.

Thats the EVIDENCE that it cant be coming
from the oil heater combustion products.

Basic logic.

No matter how clean my home is in terms of not adding
soot to the air in it, I have to import air from elsewhere
or else the CO2 level would become unacceptable and
the oxygen level would drop from my respiration.

Doesnt mean you import much 'invisible soot'

I get black dust accumulating in my TV
and my monitor in a 4th floor apartment!

You claimed you get it everywhere, not just in the TV and monitor.

I dont buy that.

Heck, "particulates" ("usually from combustion and industrial processes"
as far as I remember) is usually the Number 2 air pollutant reported in
my metropolitan area and often at levels worse than "good"!

Yes, but that aint necessarily the jet black we are discussing.

Most smog seen with citys is actually brown, not jet black.

The brown color is mainly from nitrogen dioxide,

Its more complicated than that. Its mostly brown because
of the particle size. You get brown even from just dust.

which is usually the 3rd worst pollutant in the
Philadelphia area in terms of health even though
it colors the air more than soot and ozone do.

You dont get much jet black soot in the air,
even when everyone is using wood heating.
You get a very grey haze instead.

WOW! You are a true expert! N O T !!!

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <bkmffk$3b74h$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de>, Rod Speed wrote:

Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in

Are your webs spider webs?

Yep.

That supports my assertions related to cobwebs,

Nope.

since I was talking about ones that are not made by spiders.

No such animal.

There is such a thing as cobwebs made of nothing but dust,

Nope.
Nope. No such animal.

Tried web searching... Looks like you're right on that one, and cobwebs
made solely of dust was something that I heard incorrectly before.
My cobwebs are definitely at least part dust and are usually very dark
in color, much darker than most of the dust in my home.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <ei2umv43ltvv0e37o5p9fkpjmoibp1v0nq@4ax.com>, DarkMatter wrote:

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 06:49:14 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) Gave us:

But I have seen it in homes without combustion devices. Maybe it is
possible to get such black dust from neighbors or others upwind, and where
I am I certainly think the atmosphere has some soot from diesel-fueled
trucks and buses!


When I was a kid, I could climb a phone pole in five seconds flat.
Up the guy wire.

OI was in TJ, Mexico a few years ago, and jumped up to grab one of
those guy lines, and the damned thing had a half inch of the blackest,
wettest (oil and grease), nastiest shit on the planet on it. That
place is lame, and full of cooking smoke from the street vendors.

Case closed. Moist particulate turns dry brown dust black. Pretty
simple shit.

I just tried adding some water to some ordinary dust and rubbing it
with my fingers. It got darker, but not jet black like the dust in TV
sets. I think some kinds of dust particles are more atracted to the high
voltage points in TV sets than other kinds are.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[MC]

Jackie wrote:

What about me ????

I asked the original question and I still don't know !!!!!

Jackie

Mike Harding wrote:
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:53:57 +1000, MC <mc@non.existant.place> wrote:


Argghh....
to the eternal block-list I hereby consign you all,
"Dark Matter", "Rod Speed" and "Phil Allison"


You mean you don't think it's amusing watching three
fools spending hours arguing about... dust?

Mike Harding

Seems to be too much particulate matter flying around on this thread !

 

[Rob Judd]

DorkMatter wrote:

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:41:08 +1000, Rob Judd <judd@ob-wan.com> Gave
us:

Mike Harding wrote:

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:53:57 +1000, MC <mc@non.existant.place> wrote:


Argghh....
to the eternal block-list I hereby consign you all,
"Dark Matter", "Rod Speed" and "Phil Allison"

You mean you don't think it's amusing watching three
fools spending hours arguing about... dust?

It's a mote point.

Rob

It's a mote in your eye, you fucking clueless retard.

The word is MOOT, dumbshit.

It's a pun, pal.

Rob

 

[DarkMatter]

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:24:54 +1000, MC <mc@non.existant.place> Gave
us:

Seems to be too much particulate matter flying around on this thread !

Said the person that just contributed some of it.

 

[Rod Speed]

"Don Klipstein" <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message news:slrnbn1f5c.nmu.don@manx.misty.com...

In article <bko3ru$3u2eg$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de>, Rod Speed wrote:

Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
news:slrnbmuund.gma.don@manx.misty.com...
Rod Speed wrote
Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote

(I have heard of a few older negative ion generators
that cause black dust to fly onto walls!)

Cant see how they can do that when there aint no black dust.

Or not visible until concentrated by those particular devices that
precipitate and concentrate such black dust into noticeable deposits?

Dont believe there is any thats invisible
when only electrical heating is used.

I sure see many thousands of diesel trucks,
enough of which spew soot into the air.

You dont get much black soot inside houses from those.

And more-badly-out-of-tune cars do some of the same.

Nope. And bugger all of that ends up inside houses anyway.

Along with enough nearby buildings that have combustion
sources, including 40-plus-year-old oil-fueled heating
systems within a mile from me often upwind from me.

We dont see much of that anymore, oil fueled.

Very common in and near Philadelphia!

Completely irrelevant. You have to explain how monitors
used here in houses with only electrical heating and cooking
get that jet black soot on all areas adjacent to the FBT.

Thats the EVIDENCE that it cant be coming
from the oil heater combustion products.

Basic logic.

No matter how clean my home is in terms of not adding
soot to the air in it, I have to import air from elsewhere
or else the CO2 level would become unacceptable and
the oxygen level would drop from my respiration.

Doesnt mean you import much 'invisible soot'

I get black dust accumulating in my TV
and my monitor in a 4th floor apartment!

You claimed you get it everywhere, not just in the TV and monitor.

I dont buy that.

Heck, "particulates" ("usually from combustion and industrial processes"
as far as I remember) is usually the Number 2 air pollutant reported in
my metropolitan area and often at levels worse than "good"!

Yes, but that aint necessarily the jet black we are discussing.

Most smog seen with citys is actually brown, not jet black.

The brown color is mainly from nitrogen dioxide,

Its more complicated than that. Its mostly brown because
of the particle size. You get brown even from just dust.

I see enough air that is fairly transparent but brownish.

Yeah, stands out like dogs balls when you fly into Sydney
in the right weather conditions. Its got the right conditions
for that sort of smog buildup and that brown haze is
utterly obscene in the right weather conditions.

That's when nitrogen dioxide is a more significant factor than
dust particles large enough to easily scatter light when isolated.

Nope, it isnt mostly NOx

And you get a completely different effect when there is a bushfire
problem, completely different color, pale grey instead, tho you can
get some very spectacular visual effects at sunset in that situation.
That sunset effect is the evidence that its not primarily a NOx effect.

Its the same effect that makes the sky blue.

You dont get much jet black soot in the air,
even when everyone is using wood heating.
You get a very grey haze instead.

Wood makes gray haze from larger tarry particles and ash,

It hasnt got anything to do with ash at all, its just what makes smoke
grey. And that varys dramatically with the wetness of the wood.

diesel makes realy fine soot

Yes, but you dont get much of that rising to any great extent.

- maybe mostly in particles less than half a
wavelength wide, which don't easily scatter light.

Thats utterly mangling the light scatter effect too.

And maybe the fine soot particles don't
scatter much light because they are black.

Scatter has nothing to do with the color, its a size effect.

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <bko3ru$3u2eg$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de>, Rod Speed wrote:

Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
news:slrnbmuund.gma.don@manx.misty.com...
Rod Speed wrote
Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote

(I have heard of a few older negative ion generators
that cause black dust to fly onto walls!)

Cant see how they can do that when there aint no black dust.

Or not visible until concentrated by those particular devices that
precipitate and concentrate such black dust into noticeable deposits?

Dont believe there is any thats invisible
when only electrical heating is used.

I sure see many thousands of diesel trucks,
enough of which spew soot into the air.

You dont get much black soot inside houses from those.

And more-badly-out-of-tune cars do some of the same.

Nope. And bugger all of that ends up inside houses anyway.

Along with enough nearby buildings that have combustion
sources, including 40-plus-year-old oil-fueled heating
systems within a mile from me often upwind from me.

We dont see much of that anymore, oil fueled.

Very common in and near Philadelphia!

Completely irrelevant. You have to explain how monitors
used here in houses with only electrical heating and cooking
get that jet black soot on all areas adjacent to the FBT.

Thats the EVIDENCE that it cant be coming
from the oil heater combustion products.

Basic logic.

No matter how clean my home is in terms of not adding
soot to the air in it, I have to import air from elsewhere
or else the CO2 level would become unacceptable and
the oxygen level would drop from my respiration.

Doesnt mean you import much 'invisible soot'

I get black dust accumulating in my TV
and my monitor in a 4th floor apartment!

You claimed you get it everywhere, not just in the TV and monitor.

I dont buy that.

Heck, "particulates" ("usually from combustion and industrial processes"
as far as I remember) is usually the Number 2 air pollutant reported in
my metropolitan area and often at levels worse than "good"!

Yes, but that aint necessarily the jet black we are discussing.

Most smog seen with citys is actually brown, not jet black.

The brown color is mainly from nitrogen dioxide,

Its more complicated than that. Its mostly brown because
of the particle size. You get brown even from just dust.

I see enough air that is fairly transparent but brownish. That's when
nitrogen dioxide is a more significant factor than dust particles large
enough to easily scatter light when isolated.

You dont get much jet black soot in the air,
even when everyone is using wood heating.
You get a very grey haze instead.

Wood makes gray haze from larger tarry particles and ash, diesel makes
realy fine soot - maybe mostly in particles less than half a wavelength
wide, which don't easily scatter light. And maybe the fine soot particles
don't scatter much light because they are black.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[DarkMatter]

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:52:48 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
Gave us:

Yeah, stands out like dogs balls when you fly into Sydney
in the right weather conditions.

Ahhh... so now we know that this twit goes 'round looking at dogs'
balls.

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <bkqis3$4u3bu$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de>, Rod Speed wrote:

"Don Klipstein" <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
news:slrnbn1f5c.nmu.don@manx.misty.com...

I see enough air that is fairly transparent but brownish.

Yeah, stands out like dogs balls when you fly into Sydney
in the right weather conditions. Its got the right conditions
for that sort of smog buildup and that brown haze is
utterly obscene in the right weather conditions.

That's when nitrogen dioxide is a more significant factor than
dust particles large enough to easily scatter light when isolated.

Nope, it isnt mostly NOx

I see similar brownish but transparent air flowing out of some
thunderstorms when I ride airplanes.

And you get a completely different effect when there is a bushfire
problem, completely different color, pale grey instead, tho you can
get some very spectacular visual effects at sunset in that situation.
That sunset effect is the evidence that its not primarily a NOx effect.

Its the same effect that makes the sky blue.

You dont get much jet black soot in the air,
even when everyone is using wood heating.
You get a very grey haze instead.

Wood makes gray haze from larger tarry particles and ash,

It hasnt got anything to do with ash at all, its just what makes smoke
grey. And that varys dramatically with the wetness of the wood.

diesel makes realy fine soot

Yes, but you dont get much of that rising to any great extent.

Are you claiming that these fine particles don't go where air goes and
where other smoke particles go?

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Rod Speed]

Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
news:slrnbn4d85.mmn.don@manx.misty.com...

Rod Speed wrote
Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote

I see enough air that is fairly transparent but brownish.

Yeah, stands out like dogs balls when you fly into Sydney
in the right weather conditions. Its got the right conditions
for that sort of smog buildup and that brown haze is
utterly obscene in the right weather conditions.

That's when nitrogen dioxide is a more significant factor than
dust particles large enough to easily scatter light when isolated.

Nope, it isnt mostly NOx

I see similar brownish but transparent air flowing
out of some thunderstorms when I ride airplanes.

It aint NOx. That never get to anything like a high
enough density in the atmosphere for it to be that.

And you get a completely different effect when there is a bushfire
problem, completely different color, pale grey instead, tho you can
get some very spectacular visual effects at sunset in that situation.
That sunset effect is the evidence that its not primarily a NOx effect.

Its the same effect that makes the sky blue.

You dont get much jet black soot in the air,
even when everyone is using wood heating.
You get a very grey haze instead.

Wood makes gray haze from larger tarry particles and ash,

It hasnt got anything to do with ash at all, its just what makes smoke
grey. And that varys dramatically with the wetness of the wood.

diesel makes realy fine soot

Yes, but you dont get much of that rising to any great extent.

Are you claiming that these fine particles don't go
where air goes and where other smoke particles go?

Yep, they're considerably bigger and fall rather than rise.
And they dont have the same hot air driving them either.

Have a look at a really badly setup diesel engine thats pouring
out lots of the black stuff some time and see where it goes.