What's that black dust in monitors?

[DarkMatter]

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:15:10 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
Gave us:

Have a look at a really badly setup diesel engine thats pouring
out lots of the black stuff some time and see where it goes.

Diesels pollute less than gasoline fueled engines. Doh!

Not ll of the black particulate "falls" either. Doh!

You don't know "bad" from "rich". Many truckers set up rich for
heavy loads. Another item that I am certain you are clueless about as
indicated by your "the FBT is putting it out" stupidity.

 

[Rod Speed]

DarkMatter <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote
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Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

Have a look at a really badly setup diesel engine thats pouring
out lots of the black stuff some time and see where it goes.

Diesels pollute less than gasoline fueled engines. Doh!

Depends entirely on the specific pollution you are talking
about. Gasoline engines dont normally produce anything
like the same level of that black stuff being discussed
there as a very badly setup diesel engine.

Reams of your puerile shit flushed where it belongs.

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <bku157$5mkue$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de>, Rod Speed wrote:

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Rod Speed wrote
Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote

I see enough air that is fairly transparent but brownish.

Yeah, stands out like dogs balls when you fly into Sydney
in the right weather conditions. Its got the right conditions
for that sort of smog buildup and that brown haze is
utterly obscene in the right weather conditions.

That's when nitrogen dioxide is a more significant factor than
dust particles large enough to easily scatter light when isolated.

Nope, it isnt mostly NOx

I see similar brownish but transparent air flowing
out of some thunderstorms when I ride airplanes.

It aint NOx. That never get to anything like a high
enough density in the atmosphere for it to be that.

A layer of air 4 miles thick with 1 PPM NO2 has light going through as
much NO2 as it would going through a 1/4-inch layer of pure NO2, which is
quite brown. I have seen an ampoule of the stuff before. A 1
inch thick layer of pure NO2 (some of it becomes N204 when that
concentrated, a molecule of which is basicaly just two NO2 molecules stuck
together more than being a different compound) is a rather dark brown,
although still lighter than a Budweiser bottle. The stuff looks like
bromine vapor. You can make visible quantities of nitrogen dioxide in a
small glass jar if you put in that jar a spark gap with a capacitor of
about a nanofarad across it and power the spark gap with a neon sign
transformer. You may need to adjust the spark gap or try a larger
capacitor (with power off!) if instead of a loud bright series of sparks
you get an arc. Beware that a neon sign transformer with a capacitor
across its secondary can resonate and the voltage may get high enough to
cause destructive sparking in the transformer unless the spark gap is
short enough to limit the voltage to a value safe for the transformer's
insulation.
Unhealthful air quality based on average concentration of the worst hour
is .3 PPM of NOx, and that is mostly NO2, and that seems like enough to be
visibly brownish in a layer just a few miles thick.

diesel makes realy fine soot

Yes, but you dont get much of that rising to any great extent.

Are you claiming that these fine particles don't go
where air goes and where other smoke particles go?

Yep, they're considerably bigger and fall rather than rise.
And they dont have the same hot air driving them either.

Have a look at a really badly setup diesel engine thats pouring
out lots of the black stuff some time and see where it goes.

And how about ones in not-so-bad tune that make finer soot? I see
enough blackish smoke from diesel trucks rising and flowing with air
currents. Sometimes it looks bluish when illuminated by sunlight, so some
of that soot has to be of particles of size around a wavelength or
somewhat smaller, and particles that size don't fall out of the air faster
than the gray stuff from wood fires.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Rod Speed]

"Don Klipstein" <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message news:slrnbn6nsk.ed4.don@manx.misty.com...

In article <bku157$5mkue$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de>, Rod Speed wrote:

Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote
Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote

I see enough air that is fairly transparent but brownish.

Yeah, stands out like dogs balls when you fly into Sydney
in the right weather conditions. Its got the right conditions
for that sort of smog buildup and that brown haze is
utterly obscene in the right weather conditions.

That's when nitrogen dioxide is a more significant factor than
dust particles large enough to easily scatter light when isolated.

Nope, it isnt mostly NOx

I see similar brownish but transparent air flowing
out of some thunderstorms when I ride airplanes.

It aint NOx. That never gets to anything like a high
enough density in the atmosphere for it to be that.

A layer of air 4 miles thick

You dont get that 'flowing out of some thunderstorms'

with 1 PPM NO2 has light going through as much NO2
as it would going through a 1/4-inch layer of pure NO2,

Pity it doesnt end up brown at all at that concentration.

which is quite brown.

Yes, but not at 1 PPM it aint, even thru 4 miles of it.

I have seen an ampoule of the stuff before.

Irrelevant to what air with 1 PPM looks like.

A 1 inch thick layer of pure NO2 (some of it becomes N204 when
that concentrated, a molecule of which is basicaly just two NO2
molecules stuck together more than being a different compound)

Thats utterly mangled too.

is a rather dark brown, although still lighter than a Budweiser bottle.

And at 1 PPM it aint even visible.

The stuff looks like bromine vapor.

And at 1 PPM it aint even visible.

You can make visible quantities of nitrogen dioxide
in a small glass jar if you put in that jar a spark gap
with a capacitor of about a nanofarad across it and
power the spark gap with a neon sign transformer.

Taint relevant to whether 1 PPM is visible. It aint.

You may need to adjust the spark gap or try a larger capacitor
(with power off!) if instead of a loud bright series of sparks you
get an arc. Beware that a neon sign transformer with a capacitor
across its secondary can resonate and the voltage may get high
enough to cause destructive sparking in the transformer unless
the spark gap is short enough to limit the voltage to a value
safe for the transformer's insulation.

All completely irrelevant to the visibility of 1 PPM.

Unhealthful air quality based on average concentration of the worst
hour is .3 PPM of NOx, and that is mostly NO2, and that seems like
enough to be visibly brownish in a layer just a few miles thick.

Nope, fraid not.

diesel makes realy fine soot

Yes, but you dont get much of that rising to any great extent.

Are you claiming that these fine particles don't go
where air goes and where other smoke particles go?

Yep, they're considerably bigger and fall rather than rise.
And they dont have the same hot air driving them either.

Have a look at a really badly setup diesel engine thats pouring
out lots of the black stuff some time and see where it goes.

And how about ones in not-so-bad tune that make finer soot?

You dont see that rising either.

I see enough blackish smoke from diesel
trucks rising and flowing with air currents.

Dont believe it.

Sometimes it looks bluish when illuminated by sunlight,
so some of that soot has to be of particles of size
around a wavelength or somewhat smaller,

Thats just smoke, not the jet black soot being discussed.

and particles that size don't fall out of the
air faster than the gray stuff from wood fires.

Pity it aint the jet black soot being discussed.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:11:24 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
Gave us:

DarkMatter <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote
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Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

Have a look at a really badly setup diesel engine thats pouring
out lots of the black stuff some time and see where it goes.

Diesels pollute less than gasoline fueled engines. Doh!

Depends entirely on the specific pollution you are talking
about. Gasoline engines dont normally produce anything
like the same level of that black stuff being discussed
there as a very badly setup diesel engine.

Reams of your puerile shit flushed where it belongs.

More immature baby bullshit from the twit that couldn't approach
light speed with a light speed rail gun, much less exceed it with the
"worldly" bullshit you bring to the table of life.

Again, dipshit... They are NOT "badly set up". They are set up rich
for a reason. Get a clue. And NO, they do not pollute more.

YOU were badly setup, however.

 

[Rod Speed]

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Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
DarkMatter <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote
Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

Reams of your puerile shit flushed where it belongs.

Have a look at a really badly setup diesel engine thats pouring
out lots of the black stuff some time and see where it goes.

Diesels pollute less than gasoline fueled engines. Doh!

Depends entirely on the specific pollution you are talking
about. Gasoline engines dont normally produce anything
like the same level of that black stuff being discussed
there as a very badly setup diesel engine.

They are NOT "badly set up". They are set up rich for a reason.

The worst of them aint 'set up rich', fuckwit.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 04:30:28 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) Gave us:

Until you look through a couple miles of it.

True, and the :clouds" of it are at more than 1 ppm as well.

The guy is simpleton loon.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 04:30:28 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) Gave us:

I can make soot fine enough to look bluish when illuminated by a bright
flashlight by running a propane torch with the air intake holes blocked.
I just tried that! Are you going to say that propane can make ash or tar
particles?

We used to call those little floaty guys "dead soldiers". It is a
common term in refrigeration circles as they "torch lines" on a
regular basis.

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <bl05l7$6s5kt$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de>, Rod Speed wrote:

"Don Klipstein" <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message news:slrnbn6nsk.ed4.don@manx.misty.com...
In article <bku157$5mkue$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de>, Rod Speed wrote:

Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote
Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote

I see enough air that is fairly transparent but brownish.

Yeah, stands out like dogs balls when you fly into Sydney
in the right weather conditions. Its got the right conditions
for that sort of smog buildup and that brown haze is
utterly obscene in the right weather conditions.

That's when nitrogen dioxide is a more significant factor than
dust particles large enough to easily scatter light when isolated.

Nope, it isnt mostly NOx

I see similar brownish but transparent air flowing
out of some thunderstorms when I ride airplanes.

It aint NOx. That never gets to anything like a high
enough density in the atmosphere for it to be that.

A layer of air 4 miles thick

You dont get that 'flowing out of some thunderstorms'

You sure as hell do; lightning is one source of the stuff!

with 1 PPM NO2 has light going through as much NO2
as it would going through a 1/4-inch layer of pure NO2,

Pity it doesnt end up brown at all at that concentration.

which is quite brown.

Yes, but not at 1 PPM it aint, even thru 4 miles of it.

Same amount of NO2 that light has to pass through!

I have seen an ampoule of the stuff before.

Irrelevant to what air with 1 PPM looks like.

A 1 inch thick layer of pure NO2 (some of it becomes N204 when
that concentrated, a molecule of which is basicaly just two NO2
molecules stuck together more than being a different compound)

Thats utterly mangled too.

No, it's your knowledge of chemistry that is mangled.

is a rather dark brown, although still lighter than a Budweiser bottle.

And at 1 PPM it aint even visible.

Until you look through a couple miles of it.

"Brown Cloud" air pollution is nitrogen dioxide or nitrogen dioxide plus
carbon particles fine enough to make things seen through the cloud look
brownish due to scattering preferentially of blue light.

One source saying nitrogen dioxide plus fine carbon particles:
http://phoenix.about.com/library/weekly/uc051601a.htm

Another source saying nitrogen dioxide is responsible for "brown cloud"
urban air pollution:
http://phoenix.about.com/library/weekly/uc051601a.htm

Just the first two hits of a Google search of "brown cloud" "nitrogen
dioxide"! A few other hits whose summaries reported by Google appear to
support nitrogen dioxide, whether alone or with really fine carbon
particles, making air look brownish:

http://www.phoenixvis.net/causes.html
http://www.niwa.cri.nz/pubs/an/16/airshed.htm
http://www.adeq.state.az.us/environ/air/browncloud/download/edu/0821shw.pdf
http://www.adeq.state.az.us/environ/air/browncloud/download/2000-3.pdf
http://www.wyvisnet.com/interpreting.html
http://www.ccpo.odu.edu/SEES/ozone/class/Chap_10/10_2.htm

diesel makes realy fine soot

Yes, but you dont get much of that rising to any great extent.

Are you claiming that these fine particles don't go
where air goes and where other smoke particles go?

Yep, they're considerably bigger and fall rather than rise.
And they dont have the same hot air driving them either.

Have a look at a really badly setup diesel engine thats pouring
out lots of the black stuff some time and see where it goes.

And how about ones in not-so-bad tune that make finer soot?

You dont see that rising either.

Are you calling me a liar? When it is visible, the finer stuff easily
visibly rises!

I see enough blackish smoke from diesel
trucks rising and flowing with air currents.

Dont believe it.

Looks like you haven't paid attention to a few on the road!

Sometimes it looks bluish when illuminated by sunlight,
so some of that soot has to be of particles of size
around a wavelength or somewhat smaller,

Thats just smoke, not the jet black soot being discussed.

So you say diesel trucks produce smoke other than soot and other than
the gray "oil burning" stuff? And what else has a "gray-transparent" look
when seen through and when finer, has a "diluted-milk-grayish-blue" but
darker when illuminated by sunlight?

I can make soot fine enough to look bluish when illuminated by a bright
flashlight by running a propane torch with the air intake holes blocked.
I just tried that! Are you going to say that propane can make ash or tar
particles?

and particles that size don't fall out of the
air faster than the gray stuff from wood fires.

Pity it aint the jet black soot being discussed.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Rod Speed]

Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in
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Rod Speed wrote
Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote

I see enough air that is fairly transparent but brownish.

Yeah, stands out like dogs balls when you fly into Sydney
in the right weather conditions. Its got the right conditions
for that sort of smog buildup and that brown haze is
utterly obscene in the right weather conditions.

That's when nitrogen dioxide is a more significant factor than
dust particles large enough to easily scatter light when isolated.

Nope, it isnt mostly NOx

I see similar brownish but transparent air flowing
out of some thunderstorms when I ride airplanes.

It aint NOx. That never gets to anything like a high
enough density in the atmosphere for it to be that.

A layer of air 4 miles thick

You dont get that 'flowing out of some thunderstorms'

You sure as hell do; lightning is one source of the stuff!

I meant a layer of air 4 miles thick
doesnt 'flow out of some thunderstorms'

with 1 PPM NO2 has light going through as much NO2
as it would going through a 1/4-inch layer of pure NO2,

Pity it doesnt end up brown at all at that concentration.

which is quite brown.

Yes, but not at 1 PPM it aint, even thru 4 miles of it.

Same amount of NO2 that light has to pass through!

Still aint brown at 1PPM, even thru 4 miles of it!

I have seen an ampoule of the stuff before.

Irrelevant to what air with 1 PPM looks like.

A 1 inch thick layer of pure NO2 (some of it becomes N204 when
that concentrated, a molecule of which is basicaly just two NO2
molecules stuck together more than being a different compound)

Thats utterly mangled too.

No, it's your knowledge of chemistry that is mangled.

Bullshit. You dont ever get 'just two NO2 molecules
stuck together more than being a different compound)'

Fantasyland chemistry.

is a rather dark brown, although still lighter than a Budweiser bottle.

And at 1 PPM it aint even visible.

Until you look through a couple miles of it.

It still aint brown even thru a couple of miles of it.

"Brown Cloud" air pollution is nitrogen dioxide or nitrogen dioxide

Wrong.

plus carbon particles fine enough to make things seen through
the cloud look brownish due to scattering preferentially of blue light.

Particles of many kinds, actually. Doesnt have to be carbon.

Its that that produces the spectacular red sunsets with major fires.

One source saying nitrogen dioxide plus fine carbon particles:
http://phoenix.about.com/library/weekly/uc051601a.htm

Its wrong. Basic physics. Steve clearly aint gotta clue and his
'credentials' are complete duds as far as physics is concerned.

Another source saying nitrogen dioxide is
responsible for "brown cloud" urban air pollution:
http://phoenix.about.com/library/weekly/uc051601a.htm

Thats the same one.

Just the first two hits of a Google search of "brown cloud" "nitrogen dioxide"!

Nope, just one actually. And plenty of pig ignorant shit turns up on the web.

A few other hits whose summaries reported by Google
appear to support nitrogen dioxide, whether alone or
with really fine carbon particles, making air look brownish:

We'll see.

http://www.phoenixvis.net/causes.html

The first para of that says

Extremely small particles are the principal cause of the brown cloud.
These tiny particles, too small to be seen without a microscope, are
measured in microns, with one micron equal to about one-seventieth
(1/70) of the diameter of a human hair. Particulate matter less than
2.5 microns, often referred to as PM2.5, is a significant cause of haze.
Each particle, about the size of a single grain of flour, can float in the
atmosphere for days, behaving much like a gas. Over half of the
PM2.5 in Phoenix is caused by the burning of gasoline and diesel fuel
in vehicles (sometimes referred to as on-road mobile sources) and in
off-road mobile sources, such as construction equipment like loaders
and bulldozers, locomotives, lawn mowers, leaf blowers, and other
devices that emit air pollution as they move1. PM2.5 particles containing
carbon, like soot from tail pipes, are particularly effective in reducing
visibility, because they both scatter and absorb light.

Which is exactly what I said, using a lot more words.

http://www.niwa.cri.nz/pubs/an/16/airshed.htm

Doesnt say that the brown is primarily NOx

http://www.adeq.state.az.us/environ/air/browncloud/download/edu/0821shw.pdf

Doesnt say that the brown is primarily NOx

http://www.adeq.state.az.us/environ/air/browncloud/download/2000-3.pdf

Pure political bullshit.

http://www.wyvisnet.com/interpreting.html

3. Is it a brown cloud day? A brown cloud appears to envelop
the scene but quickly thins out at higher elevations. Look at
the particle and black carbon levels -- they are usually high.
Ozone will be low and relative humidity may vary.

http://www.ccpo.odu.edu/SEES/ozone/class/Chap_10/10_2.htm

Doesnt say a damned thing about NOx
being the cause of a visible brown haze.

Try again.

diesel makes realy fine soot

Yes, but you dont get much of that rising to any great extent.

Are you claiming that these fine particles don't go
where air goes and where other smoke particles go?

Yep, they're considerably bigger and fall rather than rise.
And they dont have the same hot air driving them either.

Have a look at a really badly setup diesel engine thats pouring
out lots of the black stuff some time and see where it goes.

And how about ones in not-so-bad tune that make finer soot?

You dont see that rising either.

Are you calling me a liar?

Nope, you just havent got a clue about the basics.
Those dont rise like say smoke from a fire does.

When it is visible, the finer stuff easily visibly rises!

Not far. THATS what matters.

I see enough blackish smoke from diesel
trucks rising and flowing with air currents.

Dont believe it.

Looks like you haven't paid attention to a few on the road!

Looks like you aint gotta clue about what's being
discussed, whether that stuff rises that much.

Sometimes it looks bluish when illuminated by sunlight,
so some of that soot has to be of particles of size
around a wavelength or somewhat smaller,

Thats just smoke, not the jet black soot being discussed.

So you say diesel trucks produce smoke other than soot

A properly setup diesel engine does just that. Its only the badly
setup trucks that generate high levels of the jet black soot you
see inside monitors adjacent to the FBT, and as Ken pointed
out, you STILL get that inside monitors, even when there are
bugger all diesel trucks in use at all, let alone many setup
that badly. So it cant be coming from diesel trucks.

Basic logic.

and other than the gray "oil burning" stuff? And what
else has a "gray-transparent" look when seen through
and when finer, has a "diluted-milk-grayish-blue" but
darker when illuminated by sunlight?

What was being discussed was how many diesel trucks produce
much JET BLACK SOOT. You claimed that that somehow ends
up in monitors. You cant explain why you STILL get that jet black
soot in monitors even when there aint no diesel trucks in use at
all, SO IT CANT BE COMING FROM THEM.

Basic logic.

I can make soot fine enough to look bluish when illuminated by a bright
flashlight by running a propane torch with the air intake holes blocked.

Got SFA to do with whether the jet black soot you can see with
badly setup diesel engines is what ends up inside monitors.

I just tried that! Are you going to say that
propane can make ash or tar particles?

Nope. It doesnt produce JET BLACK SOOT normally
either unless you completely stuff up the gas to air mixture.

And that doesnt happen enough for it to be the
source of the jet black soot we see inside monitors.

and particles that size don't fall out of the
air faster than the gray stuff from wood fires.

Pity it aint the jet black soot being discussed.

 

[Richard Henry]

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On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:11:24 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com
Gave us:


DarkMatter <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote
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Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

Have a look at a really badly setup diesel engine thats pouring
out lots of the black stuff some time and see where it goes.

Diesels pollute less than gasoline fueled engines. Doh!

Depends entirely on the specific pollution you are talking
about. Gasoline engines dont normally produce anything
like the same level of that black stuff being discussed
there as a very badly setup diesel engine.

Reams of your puerile shit flushed where it belongs.

More immature baby bullshit from the twit that couldn't approach
light speed with a light speed rail gun, much less exceed it with the
"worldly" bullshit you bring to the table of life.

Again, dipshit... They are NOT "badly set up". They are set up rich
for a reason. Get a clue. And NO, they do not pollute more.

I guess visible black soot and sickening smell don't count as pollution.
It's probably healthy for us.

I have often thought that when diesel car owners make their purchase, they
must first take a class in properly-sanctioned denial.

What type of car is yours?

 

[Zak]

Richard Henry wrote:

I have often thought that when diesel car owners make their purchase, they
must first take a class in properly-sanctioned denial.

I guess the reason is the exhaust is at the back.

If the exhaust were to be in the middle of the steering wheel, I guess
cars would be much cleaner.


Thomas

 

[Keith R. Williams]

In article <Keidb.2586$La.2163@fed1read02>, rphenry@home.com
says...

"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:11:24 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com
Gave us:


DarkMatter <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote
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Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

Have a look at a really badly setup diesel engine thats pouring
out lots of the black stuff some time and see where it goes.

Diesels pollute less than gasoline fueled engines. Doh!

Depends entirely on the specific pollution you are talking
about. Gasoline engines dont normally produce anything
like the same level of that black stuff being discussed
there as a very badly setup diesel engine.

Reams of your puerile shit flushed where it belongs.

More immature baby bullshit from the twit that couldn't approach
light speed with a light speed rail gun, much less exceed it with the
"worldly" bullshit you bring to the table of life.

Again, dipshit... They are NOT "badly set up". They are set up rich
for a reason. Get a clue. And NO, they do not pollute more.

I guess visible black soot and sickening smell don't count as pollution.
It's probably healthy for us.

From what I've read recently, this stuff is far worse than what
is expelled by a typical gasoline engine, yet the EPA thinks it's
peachy. Tighter regulations on diesel engines is coming.

I have often thought that when diesel car owners make their purchase, they
must first take a class in properly-sanctioned denial.

What type of car is yours?

DimBulb doesn't drive. ...too stoopid to pass the test. He
chooses to pollute the Usenet instead.

--
Keith

 

[Fred Abse]

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:55:33 +0100, Zak wrote:

If the exhaust were to be in the middle of the steering wheel, I guess
cars would be much cleaner.

Nah. The driver would be much dirtier.



--
Then there's duct tape ...
(Garrison Keillor)
nofr@sbhevre.pbzchyvax.pb.hx

 

[Mjolinor]

"Fred Abse" <excretatauris@cerebrumconfus.it> wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:55:33 +0100, Zak wrote:

If the exhaust were to be in the middle of the steering wheel, I guess
cars would be much cleaner.

Nah. The driver would be much dirtier.



--
Then there's duct tape ...
(Garrison Keillor)
nofr@sbhevre.pbzchyvax.pb.hx

I think that if a steel spike were fitted where the air bag is there would
be a lot less accidents.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Mjolinor wrote:

"Fred Abse" <excretatauris@cerebrumconfus.it> wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:55:33 +0100, Zak wrote:

If the exhaust were to be in the middle of the steering wheel, I guess
cars would be much cleaner.

Nah. The driver would be much dirtier.



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I think that if a steel spike were fitted where the air bag is there would
be a lot less accidents.

There would be more fatal accidents. ;(
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[Tony Turner]

I think that if a steel spike were fitted where the air bag is there would
be a lot less accidents.


per person.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 04:30:28 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) Gave us:

Until you look through a couple miles of it.

True, and the :clouds" of it are at more than 1 ppm as well.

The guy is simpleton loon.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 04:30:28 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) Gave us:

I can make soot fine enough to look bluish when illuminated by a bright
flashlight by running a propane torch with the air intake holes blocked.
I just tried that! Are you going to say that propane can make ash or tar
particles?

We used to call those little floaty guys "dead soldiers". It is a
common term in refrigeration circles as they "torch lines" on a
regular basis.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:35:55 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
Gave us:

Which is exactly what I said, using a lot more words.

Bullshit, you retard. You said no such thing.