What's that black dust in monitors?

[DarkMatter]

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 15:35:52 +1000, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@optusnet.com.au> Gave us:

** No need to explain the Robot's false assertion.

Anode leads also get accumulations. Time scales simple differ
between materials, and corona levels.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:02:48 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
Gave us:

Dunno, I do get quite a bit of dust on all the front surfaces
of all the monitors and TVs, but its just dust colored, not
the jet black soot you get inside the monitor.

I have known black dust to accumulate on TV screen surfaces
sometimes, and larger quantities of this dust when wiped with a
paper towel often have the "black-dust-from-the-inside-of-a-TV" odor.

Mine isnt anything like jet black. But then its not a black
soil area, the dirt around here is very brown, almost reddish.

You're just fukin' cursed, dipshit.

By me at least, and by others, I'm certain.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:04:28 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
Gave us:

Phil Allison <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

You only see that jet black crud in a monitor adjacent to the FBT.

Bullshit - it gets all over the back of the CRT,
the ultor lead and the insides of the case.

Wrong.

This retard Rod Speed has opened up one monitor case, and now he
thinks he's a fucking E-field expert.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:14:29 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
Gave us:

Besides, the attracting force for the dust
is for the dust in question and not for air!

Yes, thats what I was saying right at the top. There
is no electrostatic effect on the convection airflow.

I am sorry, you dipshit(s), but ALL dielectric materials are
effected by electric fields. Get a clue.

 

[Rod Speed]

Phil Allison <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
Phil Allison <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

You only see that jet black crud in a monitor adjacent to the FBT.

Bullshit - it gets all over the back of the CRT,
the ultor lead and the insides of the case.

Wrong.

It does,

Wrong.

every TV and monitor tech has had
to laboriously clean it off many times.

Even someone as stupid as you should have noticed
with the light colored monitor plastic shells that you
DONT get it all over the insides of the case.

 

[Rod Speed]

Phil Allison <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
Phil Allison <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
Harry Conover <hhc314@yahoo.com> wrote

Dust ends up in PC regardless of moisture and or
tars and is anything like the color of the black stuff in
monitors. So it cant be just dust as some have claimed.

No one claimed it was simply dust.

Obvious lie. Harry did just that.

The word was "some"

Obvious lie. The words you clearly used were 'no one'

and who is Harry ???

Even someone as stupid as you should be able to find him
in the attributions. Hint for the completely unemployable,
he's the fifth one currently, right at the top.

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <bkfjia$11qb2$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de>, Rod Speed wrote:

Vermin <void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
Vermin <void@nowhere.com> wrote
Jackie <noreply@bigpond.com> wrote

What is that fine black 'dust' one sees inside
monitors when the case is removed?

Just curious

Cooked skin mostly (carbonised dust).

Dont believe it. Its too fine for that and the distribution
inside the outer case doesnt fit that either.

It's not caused by arcing or my Tesla coil would be covered in soot.

Correct, and you dont get that soot with those.

Its gotta be coming from the FBT, because
its always on the case adjacent to that.

Cant be cooked skin either, but that area where
the you get the soot in a monitor isnt usually
where there is all that much airflow thru the case.

The source has to be the epoxy on the FBT.

I have seen the "sooty" black dust with that "TV-electrical odor" in
fluorescent fixtures in a restaurant. My hypothesis is oxidized and maybe
dark-dirt-coated particles of grease/vegetable-oil/etc., maybe oxidized.
Maybe smoke particles of some kind, which are sometimes greasy/tarry in
nature.
And these sootier appearing particles seem to be attracted to TVs and
some fluorescent fixtures, as opposed to other forms of dust not being so
attracted to high voltage electric things.
I have known black dust to accumulate on TV screen surfaces sometimes,
and larger quantities of this dust when wiped with a paper towel often
have the "black-dust-from-the-inside-of-a-TV" odor.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Rod Speed]

DarkMatter <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote
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Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

I've deleted all your puerile shit and ignored
your post that are nothing but puerile shit.

And you dont get that black soot inside an electrical
heater where there is something to burn the dust.

Electrical heaters radiate huge amounts of IR and air
convection currents as well. No dust gets anywhere near them.

Have fun explaining the considerable dust inside my fan heaters.

 

[Rod Speed]

DarkMatter <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote
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Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

Dust ends up in PC regardless of moisture and or
tars and isnt anything like the color of the black stuff in
monitors. So it cant be just dust as some have claimed.

It is dust. It just happens to take on a different
color than the dust accumulations in PCs.

Dust color discrimination eh ? So its fairys sorting out the
different colored dust and putting the jet black dust into the
monitors and the other non jet black dust into the PCs and
onto the front glass tube surface of the monitors eh ?

Also, there could have been an epoxy encapsulated device

Yep, like the FBT. Which might just explain why the
jet black soot that you get on the inside surface of
the case is adjacent to the FBT. Funny that.

that failed in the unit.

Doesnt have to have failed. All monitors that have been
used for any length of time have that jet black soot on
the inside surface of the monitor case adjacent to the FBT.

Game, set and match, I believe.

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <0j1qmvo48pu1ot4m17e893690saa6ae2d6@4ax.com>, DarkMatter wrote:

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 12:30:58 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com
Gave us:

You get it right thru PCs too, basically because the fans move
it thru the PC. In other words they dont need to be charged.

Most monitors are non forced air cooled devices. That is the topic.

Most PCs are forced air devices, and that is an entirely different
subject.

Particulate carried by forced air IMPACTS on surfaces. If said
surfaces have moisture, and or tars from cigarettes on them, then
particulate is going to stick.

Natural/unforced convection will also make sticky particles stick onto
surfaces. Less than with forced air, but it does happen!

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Phil Allison]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Phil Allison <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
Phil Allison <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

You only see that jet black crud in a monitor adjacent to the FBT.

Bullshit - it gets all over the back of the CRT,
the ultor lead and the insides of the case.

Wrong.

It does,

Wrong.

every TV and monitor tech has had
to laboriously clean it off many times.


Even someone as stupid as you should have noticed
with the light colored monitor plastic shells that you
DONT get it all over the insides of the case.

** So the Rusty Robot has NEVER even seen what is being discussed.






............. Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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and who is Harry ???

Even someone as stupid as you should be able to find him
in the attributions.

** Harry has NOT posted on aus.electronics.

Cross posting your replies is an arsehole Robot's trick.





........... Phil

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <bkfjs2$1b6c6$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de>, Rod Speed wrote:

DarkMatter <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote
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Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
Vermin <void@nowhere.com> wrote
Jackie <noreply@bigpond.com> wrote

What is that fine black 'dust' one sees inside
monitors when the case is removed?

Just curious

Cooked skin mostly (carbonised dust).

Dont believe it. Its too fine for that and the distribution
inside the outer case doesnt fit that either.

Actually, it is dust from your local region that collects any moisture
in the air after it has been attracted to, and attached to whatever
surfaces of whatever charged devices are in the monitor case.

Doesnt explain why its black soot.

You certainly get the effect you are talking about on the front
face glass of the monitor and TVs, but its just dust colored.

Not that I want to be caught agreeing with DarkMatter on anything, but I
have both seen and heard of enough black dust on TV/monitor faces. Even
dust with the odor of that accumulating in the flyback transformer area.
My hypothesis is greasy/stick/tarry particles, maybe with a thin coating
of soot or other fine carbon particles.

And conductive particles can have a net charge as well as nonconductive
ones.
My suspicion is that some sort of black dust particle, probably mostly
made of some sort of grease or tar, has a tendency to be charged one way
or another and be attracted to TVs, monitors, etc.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <bkiis1$27dn0$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de>, Rod Speed wrote:

For what it's worth, the worst example of this black crap is what I
encountered during my days as a broadcasting technician servicing
large transmitters. During our weekly maintenance, we would have to
clean this soot from the sockets and cooling fins of the forced air
cooled transmitter tubes. From memory I can tell you that this was not
a fun job, particularly when you're standing inside of the transmitter
and trusting in the interlocks preventing anyone from powering the
thing up while you're hand cleaning the fins of a 50KW transmitter
tube!

I've noticed that some people in this thread simply don't want to
accept the fact that this black crap is simply particulate drawn out
of the air by the presence of electrostatic fields, but that is all it is.

Easy to claim. Have fun explaining why it
aint where the airflow is inside a monitor.

Higher airflow may keep the particles from sticking! I see this dust
normally accumulating in high electric field areas that are not subject to
airflow from fans or the like.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <bkj6k0$2c56u$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de>, Rod Speed wrote:

Easy to claim. Have fun explaining why it
aint where the airflow is inside a monitor.

Airflow inside a monitor case is convective, dipshit.

Duh, fuckwit.

It is also electrostatically influenced.

Pigs arse it is.

I have plenty of experience saying it is electrostatically influenced!

If you have ever seen an electrostatic
air moving device, you would know that.

Taint what moves the air in a monitor.

AND that black stuff is nothing like the
dust that ALSO ends up in the monitor.

The dust in question sure accumulates where airflow speed is low!
Besides, the attracting force for the dust is for the dust in question and
not for air!

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Phil Allison]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Doesnt have to have failed. All monitors that have been
used for any length of time have that jet black soot on
the inside surface of the monitor case adjacent to the FBT.

** BULLLLLLL - SHIT !!!!!!

There is no such common problem.

Black soot is commonly found all over the HT cables, backs of CRTs
and TOP areas of the case.

The Rusty Robot is arguing from ONE example - one he alone has
seen and others have not.




................ Phil

 

[Rod Speed]

"Phil Allison" <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:3f6d4cf3$0$28122$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Phil Allison <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
Phil Allison <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

You only see that jet black crud in a monitor adjacent to the FBT.

Bullshit - it gets all over the back of the CRT,
the ultor lead and the insides of the case.

Wrong.

It does,

Wrong.

every TV and monitor tech has had
to laboriously clean it off many times.


Even someone as stupid as you should have noticed
with the light colored monitor plastic shells that you
DONT get it all over the insides of the case.


So the Rusty Robot has NEVER even seen what is being discussed.

Even you should be able to bullshit your way out of your
predicament better than that pathetic effort, Allison.

No wonder you're completely unemployable.

 

[Rod Speed]

Phil Allison <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
Phil Allison <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
Phil Allison <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
Harry Conover <hhc314@yahoo.com> wrote

Dust ends up in PC regardless of moisture and or
tars and is anything like the color of the black stuff in
monitors. So it cant be just dust as some have claimed.

No one claimed it was simply dust.

Obvious lie. Harry did just that.

The word was "some"

Obvious lie. The words you clearly used were 'no one'

and who is Harry ???

Even someone as stupid as you should be able to find
him the attributions. Hint for the completely unemployable,
he's the fifth one currently, right at the top.

Harry has NOT posted on aus.electronics.

Completely and utterly irrelevant.

Even someone as stupid as you should have noticed his
post when reading what shows up in aus.electronics.

Keep digging. You'll be out in china any day now.

 

[Rod Speed]

Phil Allison <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

Doesnt have to have failed. All monitors that have been
used for any length of time have that jet black soot on
the inside surface of the monitor case adjacent to the FBT.

BULLLLLLL - SHIT !!!!!!

Pathetic, really. No wonder you're completely unemployable.

There is no such common problem.

Pathetic, really. No wonder you're completely unemployable.

Black soot is commonly found all over the HT
cables, backs of CRTs and TOP areas of the case.

Pathetic, really. No wonder you're completely unemployable.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message

Pathetic, really. No wonder he's completely unemployable.
Pathetic, really. No wonder he's completely unemployable.
Pathetic, really. No wonder he's completely unemployable.
Pathetic, really. No wonder he's completely unemployable.
Pathetic, really. No wonder he's completely unemployable.
Pathetic, really. No wonder he's completely unemployable.
Pathetic, really. No wonder he's completely unemployable.
Pathetic, really. No wonder he's completely unemployable.
Pathetic, really. No wonder he's completely unemployable.
Pathetic, really. No wonder he's completely unemployable.
Pathetic, really. No wonder he's completely unemployable.

** The Rusty Robot needs oiling.





......... Phil