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You mean, like, throw bombs at capitalists?While the Majority is deprived of its rightful control of its
extended "body", the earth, this is not possible, those who
stole it must be dealt with harshly to instill fear in the
criminal portion of Human Nature, so that it does not show
itself.
You completely mis-read me, but that's to be expected. Try again,OTOH it might be an
idea to seem to join them and then work under cover.
- YD.
----------------------------
For a time, at different times, but then that wouldn't be discussed
openly, and the claim that one should is subject to debate, skepticism,
and being judged a cop-out and a punishable deception on the part of
those who merely wish to continue to benefit illicitly and continue
your greed.
Steve
Oh-ho, post editing. The last resort of the loser, highly frownedYD wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 03:33:46 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:
You're dele<*SLAP-SLAP-SLAP*
---------------
You'll get shit-fuck nuthin' behaving that way.
If you were here I'd beat you to death.
Steve
Oooooh, scary. Well, I'm not, live with it. What if both my Truth
*and* my weaponry are better than yours?
----------------------
You have n<*SLAM*
If you can afford the tickets
feel free to come over and let me make a McDonald's double for you.
-------------------------
So that's where you work. You're a Classic impotent rage-aholic.
I don't have all that many, and they're all weak and under goodI'd think you'd have figured out by now who your REAL enemies ACTUALLY
are!
That doesn't even begin to make sense, darling. You're firmly on theYD wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 03:22:04 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:
Isn't that kind of extremist? Of course, you're not terrorists so
you're allowed to throw bombs all over the place somewhere half-way
around the world.
------------------------
Terrorists are bad because they are wrong, not because they do
violence. Good has the legitimate right to do violence against
any and all who oppose it.
Not in their own eyes.
------------------------
In their heart of hearts they know they're wrong, they just can't
let go of so involved a delusion.
What if it were the other way around.
---------------------
It isn't. You're saying, "But what if light and dark were really
reversed, huh"??", but you're wearing sunglasses to avoid the light
thus giving the lie yourself.
So come up with *your* logical syllogisms. Before they're presentedIsn't it possible that you are
the deluded one but are so stuck with it you refuse to see it as a
delusion?
----------------------
No. This stuff is like mathematics, the process checks its work
backwards. You just don't even bother with the math and instead
you assert an answer merely because it pleases you. I'm bound by
the rules of logic and mathematics. You have been offered the
chance to argue logically numerous times and obviously declined,
for no one has seen you offer logical syllogism to be examined.
You refuse to do so because you sense a "trap" in your heart of
hearts, down at the level where you KNOW that you're actually
wrong!
Too set in your madness to change easily, huh?Would you really admit in your heart of hearts that you're
wrong?
----------------------
I learned that I was, long ago, and I resolved never to be so again.
I resolved that I would permit and admit self-change where my state
was shown to be the poorer argument. You won't find that now.
Which? Idi Amin Dada's, Bin Laden's, Buddha's, yours, GWB's, Allah's,Is there only that one absolute Truth?
---------------------
Yes.
Tell me how to define "good" in your book. "What's best for everyone"What if several kinds of
"good" (for want of a better expression) were equally good?
---------------------
Show me a VALID example, I have never found one.
That makes no sense. But not making sense is what you're all aboutOr a
combination of parts of them? Are differing viewpoints allowed
in your regime?
-------------------------
I have no "regime". I shall be ruled by the Majority who defends
the Truth just as everyone will be. I submit myself to that, and
to coming to understand the Majority Will.
snip vicious ad hominem lie
-------------------
This pretense here is actually YOUR lie.
So we get to throw bombs on evil capitalist nations then? Or evilviolence. Good has the legitimate right to do violence against
any and all who oppose it.
Just like the Catholics a few hundred years ago. And several kinds of
missionaries up to only a few decades ago. Doesn't sound like all that
good to me.
-------------------------
Everyone uses violence, but only the Truth has the Right to be
defended by violence, the rest is illegitimate!
Ooooh, wow. You might found a church on that, sweetie. Oooops, alreadyDefine good. Are there degrees of good? Can a superior good stomp on a
lesser good?
- YD.
-----------------------------
There is only one Good, it is Good, everybody knows it, but some
won't admit it, because they have needs born of their abuse as a
child that they think need satisfying before they can ever be
Good/Fair/Just to others. They will need to be stopped to protect
the rest of us, but whether they can ever access their real self
is a mystery.
Steve
See above.-----------------
Only one "good", that's hilarious. No degrees of "good", only the one
you've pulled out of your deluded ass, and you're of course the master
and high priest of it.
-----------------------
There is on<*BLAST*
Were you looking in the mirror just now? Is that a royal "we".Who'll shove it down their throats? You're just as bad as all the rest
of the fanatics.
- YD.
-------------------------
No.
You see, because ONLY YOU are the fanatics and only YOU are WRONG!
Get a room.All I've done is save the world from re-reading the stale stuff,
lover-boy.
This is a self-imposed limitation, and you're deluded if youYD wrote:
Isn't it possible that you are
the deluded one but are so stuck with it you refuse to see it as a
delusion?
----------------------
No. This stuff is like mathematics, the process checks its work
backwards. You just don't even bother with the math and instead
you assert an answer merely because it pleases you. I'm bound by
the rules of logic and mathematics.
The reason he offers no logical argument is that there is nothingYou have been offered the
chance to argue logically numerous times and obviously declined,
for no one has seen you offer logical syllogism to be examined.
This is just plain not factual, and does, in fact, sound a lotYou refuse to do so because you sense a "trap" in your heart of
hearts, down at the level where you KNOW that you're actually
wrong!
Well, you're convinced!Would you really admit in your heart of hearts that you're
wrong?
----------------------
I learned that I was, long ago, and I resolved never to be so again.
I resolved that I would permit and admit self-change where my state
was shown to be the poorer argument. You won't find that now.
You're dishonest and disingenuous, hence nothing CAN be fairly provedOn Sun, 06 Jun 2004 18:50:52 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:
Prove it's superior, dickhead.
-------------------
Irrelevant. If the Majority wins, it does so by its inherent justice.Anything can be "superior" if you shove it by force of violence.
------------------------------
You systematically deleted everything that revealed your total andThanks for proving once again what a narrow minded little prick you
are.
---------------------
Majorities don't usually need to throw bombs, they come, take,On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 18:57:29 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:
While the Majority is deprived of its rightful control of its
extended "body", the earth, this is not possible, those who
stole it must be dealt with harshly to instill fear in the
criminal portion of Human Nature, so that it does not show
itself.
You mean, like, throw bombs at capitalists?
---------------------
OTOH it might be an
idea to seem to join them and then work under cover.
- YD.
----------------------------
For a time, at different times, but then that wouldn't be discussed
openly, and the claim that one should is subject to debate, skepticism,
and being judged a cop-out and a punishable deception on the part of
those of you who merely wish to continue to benefit illicitly and
continue your greed.
Steve
You have no "truth", and the weaponry you pretend to control can beOn Sun, 06 Jun 2004 19:03:11 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:
You'll get shit-fuck nuthin' behaving that way.
If you were here I'd beat you to death.
Steve
Oooooh, scary. Well, I'm not, live with it. What if both my Truth
*and* my weaponry are better than yours?
----------------------
So that's where you work. You're a Classic impotent rage-aholic.If you can afford the tickets
feel free to come over and let me make a McDonald's double for you.
-------------------------
You have nothing reasonable to say. You lose.On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 19:21:35 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:
Isn't that kind of extremist? Of course, you're not terrorists so
you're allowed to throw bombs all over the place somewhere half-way
around the world.
------------------------
Terrorists are bad because they are wrong, not because they do
violence. Good has the legitimate right to do violence against
any and all who oppose it.
Not in their own eyes.
------------------------
In their heart of hearts they know they're wrong, they just can't
let go of so involved a delusion.
What if it were the other way around.
---------------------
It isn't. You're saying, "But what if light and dark were really
reversed, huh"??", but you're wearing sunglasses to avoid the light
thus giving the lie yourself.
That doesn't even begin to make sense, darling. You're firmly on the
hook and squirming, but there's no getting out of the fact that you've
been wrong all along, living in an unrealistic dream-land. *SHRUG*,
live with it.
-----------------
Isn't it possible that you are
the deluded one but are so stuck with it you refuse to see it as a
delusion?
----------------------
No. This stuff is like mathematics, the process checks its work
backwards. You just don't even bother with the math and instead
you assert an answer merely because it pleases you. I'm bound by
the rules of logic and mathematics. You have been offered the
chance to argue logically numerous times and obviously declined,
for no one has seen you offer logical syllogism to be examined.
You refuse to do so because you sense a "trap" in your heart of
hearts, down at the level where you KNOW that you're actually
wrong!
Knowledge makes me right.Would you really admit in your heart of hearts that you're
wrong?
----------------------
I learned that I was, long ago, and I resolved never to be so again.
I resolved that I would permit and admit self-change where my state
was shown to be the poorer argument. You won't find that now.
Too set in your madness to change easily, huh?
------------------------------
Not their lies nor your lies about Truth.Is there only that one absolute Truth?
---------------------
Yes.
Which? Idi Amin Dada's, Bin Laden's, Buddha's, yours, GWB's, Allah's,
Yahveh's?
-----------------
Yes, do we mean collectively, or equally and individually?What if several kinds of
"good" (for want of a better expression) were equally good?
---------------------
Show me a VALID example, I have never found one.
Tell me how to define "good" in your book. "What's best for everyone"
is a bit too general.
------------------
Not required. However, you may consider it "unfair" is youLike, I mean, man, regular snake-bites in the
ass may be good for some, but most could live without them.
---------------------------------
What *I* said WASN'T a lie, what you said ABOUT what I said WAS!!Or a
combination of parts of them? Are differing viewpoints allowed
in your regime?
-------------------------
I have no "regime". I shall be ruled by the Majority who defends
the Truth just as everyone will be. I submit myself to that, and
to coming to understand the Majority Will.
snip vicious ad hominem lie
-------------------
This pretense here is actually YOUR lie.
That makes no sense.
--------------
You're an unreasonable little shit, and you complain you thinkBut not making sense is what you're all about anyway.
-----------------
If need be, but the only revolution I would support would be one ofviolence. Good has the legitimate right to do violence against
any and all who oppose it.
Just like the Catholics a few hundred years ago. And several kinds of
missionaries up to only a few decades ago. Doesn't sound like all that
good to me.
-------------------------
Everyone uses violence, but only the Truth has the Right to be
defended by violence, the rest is illegitimate!
So we get to throw bombs on evil capitalist nations then? Or evil
capitalists and their lackeys themselves? Do car bombs count if they
target the evils and their ilk?
----------------------------------
Nope.Define good. Are there degrees of good? Can a superior good stomp on a
lesser good?
- YD.
-----------------------------
There is only one Good, it is Good, everybody knows it, but some
won't admit it, because they have needs born of their abuse as a
child that they think need satisfying before they can ever be
Good/Fair/Just to others. They will need to be stopped to protect
the rest of us, but whether they can ever access their real self
is a mystery.
Steve
Ooooh, wow. You might found a church on that, sweetie. Oooops, already
done. Scientology or something like that, iI believe.
---------------------------------
There is only one best way, and that will triumph.Define good. Are there degrees of good? Can a superior good stomp on a
lesser good?
- YD.
-----------------------------
There is only one Good, it is Good, everybody knows it, but some
won't admit it, because they have needs born of their abuse as a
child that they think need satisfying before they can ever be
Good/Fair/Just to others. They will need to be stopped to protect
the rest of us, but whether they can ever access their real self
is a mystery.
Steve
-----------------
Only one "good", that's hilarious. No degrees of "good", only the one
you've pulled out of your deluded ass, and you're of course the master
and high priest of it.
-----------------------
No, that's YOU in the mirror.Who'll shove it down their throats? You're just as bad as all the rest
of the fanatics.
- YD.
-------------------------
No.
You see, because ONLY YOU are the fanatics and only YOU are WRONG!
Were you looking in the mirror just now? Is that a royal "we".
--------------
Nope."R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:40C36FAA.3C93@armory.com...
YD wrote:
Isn't it possible that you are
the deluded one but are so stuck with it you refuse to see it as a
delusion?
----------------------
No. This stuff is like mathematics, the process checks its work
backwards. You just don't even bother with the math and instead
you assert an answer merely because it pleases you. I'm bound by
the rules of logic and mathematics.
This is a self-imposed limitation, and you're deluded if you
believe otherwise.
---------------------------------
Not in him, no.You have been offered the
chance to argue logically numerous times and obviously declined,
for no one has seen you offer logical syllogism to be examined.
The reason he offers no logical argument is that there is nothing
logical to argue with.
------------------------
Nonsense. Good and evil are not equal opposites. That's a myth.You refuse to do so because you sense a "trap" in your heart of
hearts, down at the level where you KNOW that you're actually
wrong!
This is just plain not factual, and does, in fact, sound a lot
like you're doing exactly what your opponent is doing. There's a
lot of this going around, so you're not unique.
--------------------------------------
This wasn't an argument, this was a preface.Would you really admit in your heart of hearts that you're
wrong?
----------------------
I learned that I was, long ago, and I resolved never to be so again.
I resolved that I would permit and admit self-change where my state
was shown to be the poorer argument. You won't find that now.
Well, you're convinced!
------------------
It's not belief, it's math. It's semantically ridiculous, it's notSo, lessee if we can wrap up:
You don't believe in free will
-----------------------
No, no, many people like me do. I'm not at all uncommon, even amongYou believe you are the only one who knows how to properly run a
planet,
---------------------
Nope. It has to make sense to everyone or they won't KNOW what to do.and therefore
You believe that people should all behave in accordance with your
wishes, whether it makes any sense or not.
------------------------
Nope.Is that pretty much it?
Rich
-----------
Life is multi-valued and multi-faceted. What's good for you may not be"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:40C36FAA.3C93@armory.com...
YD wrote:
Isn't it possible that you are
the deluded one but are so stuck with it you refuse to see it as a
delusion?
----------------------
No. This stuff is like mathematics, the process checks its work
backwards. You just don't even bother with the math and instead
you assert an answer merely because it pleases you. I'm bound by
the rules of logic and mathematics.
This is a self-imposed limitation, and you're deluded if you
believe otherwise.
Right on!You have been offered the
chance to argue logically numerous times and obviously declined,
for no one has seen you offer logical syllogism to be examined.
The reason he offers no logical argument is that there is nothing
logical to argue with.
Heh, this far he's managed to dodge all questioning with a diatribe orYou refuse to do so because you sense a "trap" in your heart of
hearts, down at the level where you KNOW that you're actually
wrong!
This is just plain not factual, and does, in fact, sound a lot
like you're doing exactly what your opponent is doing. There's a
lot of this going around, so you're not unique.
I wonder where he gets the energy to keep it up. Probably has nothingWould you really admit in your heart of hearts that you're
wrong?
----------------------
I learned that I was, long ago, and I resolved never to be so again.
I resolved that I would permit and admit self-change where my state
was shown to be the poorer argument. You won't find that now.
Well, you're convinced!
So, lessee if we can wrap up:
You don't believe in free will
You believe you are the only one who knows how to properly run a
planet, and therefore
You believe that people should all behave in accordance with your
wishes, whether it makes any sense or not.
Is that pretty much it?
Thanks,
Rich
Nonsense, if people knew for themsselves what that was, then peopleOn Wed, 09 Jun 2004 01:43:25 GMT, "Rich Grise" <null@example.net
wrote:
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:40C36FAA.3C93@armory.com...
YD wrote:
Isn't it possible that you are
the deluded one but are so stuck with it you refuse to see it as a
delusion?
----------------------
No. This stuff is like mathematics, the process checks its work
backwards. You just don't even bother with the math and instead
you assert an answer merely because it pleases you. I'm bound by
the rules of logic and mathematics.
This is a self-imposed limitation, and you're deluded if you
believe otherwise.
Life is multi-valued and multi-faceted. What's good for you may
not be all that good for me,
--------------------
Even if you LIKED it?but I don't mind as long as it's not imposed on me.
---------------
Nope, it bears no relation to ANYTHING I've said hus far, at bestProblem is, this loon wants to impose his views on everybody. As
for his logic and math all I've seen of it this far is a rather
idealized description of tribal life about a million years ago.
-----------------------------
Naw, you'd love it, planning isn't "central", you go to a meetingI'd really hate a life ruled solely by logic and math, central
planning and five-year-plans may have their points but can be taken
too far.
-----------------------------
There are NO "bureaucrats". You vote, and secretaries are empoweredLike some bureaucrat decides there'll be a need for two
thousand sociologists or something in a few years time so turn up the
funding for humanities and sluice the good students that way whether
they want it or not.
----------------------------
So are you under some delusion that we get what we actually need NOW,The end result will of course be at best half
competent professionals.
------------------------------
Why not just use Google? Things don't have to be random and accidentalReal life in a real society with real people interacting has a bit of
chaos theory built into it, even if mostly predictable sometimes a
spanner gets thrown in the works. Like you have an appointment and hop
into the car to get over there. Somewhere along the line some idiot
runs a red light and has a crash. So traffic jams up and you miss the
deadline. Walk into a bar to sooth your nerves and grumble about it to
the guy next to you. Turns out he's in the same line of business and
offers you an even better deal than the one you missed out on.
-----------------------------------
Hahahahahahah! *I* *WISH*!!I wonder where he gets the energy to keep it up. Probably has nothing
else to do all day long.
- YD.
-----------------------
Good, now we're going somewhere. Dunno exactly where yet but I seeYD wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 18:57:29 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:
While the Majority is deprived of its rightful control of its
extended "body", the earth, this is not possible, those who
stole it must be dealt with harshly to instill fear in the
criminal portion of Human Nature, so that it does not show
itself.
You mean, like, throw bombs at capitalists?
---------------------
Majorities don't usually need to throw bombs, they come, take,
punish, and execute. But they might if you resist.
-Steve
Oh-ho, post editing. The last resort of the loser, highly frownedYD wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 03:33:46 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:
You're dele<*SLAP-SLAP-SLAP*
---------------
You'll get shit-fuck nuthin' behaving that way.
If you were here I'd beat you to death.
Steve
Oooooh, scary. Well, I'm not, live with it. What if both my Truth
*and* my weaponry are better than yours?
----------------------
You have n<*SLAM*
If you can afford the tickets
feel free to come over and let me make a McDonald's double for you.
-------------------------
So that's where you work. You're a Classic impotent rage-aholic.
I don't have all that many, and they're all weak and under goodI'd think you'd have figured out by now who your REAL enemies ACTUALLY
are!
Sez who? Not that it matters. SHRUG.YD wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 19:21:35 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:
Isn't that kind of extremist? Of course, you're not terrorists so
you're allowed to throw bombs all over the place somewhere half-way
around the world.
------------------------
Terrorists are bad because they are wrong, not because they do
violence. Good has the legitimate right to do violence against
any and all who oppose it.
Not in their own eyes.
------------------------
In their heart of hearts they know they're wrong, they just can't
let go of so involved a delusion.
What if it were the other way around.
---------------------
It isn't. You're saying, "But what if light and dark were really
reversed, huh"??", but you're wearing sunglasses to avoid the light
thus giving the lie yourself.
That doesn't even begin to make sense, darling. You're firmly on the
hook and squirming, but there's no getting out of the fact that you've
been wrong all along, living in an unrealistic dream-land. *SHRUG*,
live with it.
-----------------
You ha<*BLAM*
I can't believe that. Just your saying so doesn't make you right. TellIsn't it possible that you are
the deluded one but are so stuck with it you refuse to see it as a
delusion?
----------------------
No. This stuff is like mathematics, the process checks its work
backwards. You just don't even bother with the math and instead
you assert an answer merely because it pleases you. I'm bound by
the rules of logic and mathematics. You have been offered the
chance to argue logically numerous times and obviously declined,
for no one has seen you offer logical syllogism to be examined.
You refuse to do so because you sense a "trap" in your heart of
hearts, down at the level where you KNOW that you're actually
wrong!
Would you really admit in your heart of hearts that you're
wrong?
----------------------
I learned that I was, long ago, and I resolved never to be so again.
I resolved that I would permit and admit self-change where my state
was shown to be the poorer argument. You won't find that now.
Too set in your madness to change easily, huh?
------------------------------
Knowled<*SMACK*
That's another lie of yours, sweetie. AFAIK I haven't made anyIs there only that one absolute Truth?
---------------------
Yes.
Which? Idi Amin Dada's, Bin Laden's, Buddha's, yours, GWB's, Allah's,
Yahveh's?
-----------------
Not their lies nor your lies a<*BOOGAH*
I can buy that, but seems a bit too general. How do you propose to goWhat if several kinds of
"good" (for want of a better expression) were equally good?
---------------------
Show me a VALID example, I have never found one.
Tell me how to define "good" in your book. "What's best for everyone"
is a bit too general.
------------------
Yes, do we mean collectively, or equally and individually?
The latter, of course. If you say collectively, then we can
vote to enslave 49% of us and the rest live like slave-holders.
Or we run the risk of "the greatest good for the greatest
number", and then we have the slippery slope of organ-slavery
and killing the stupid for organ harvesting for the "more
valuable" among us.
But equally and individually does NOT mean capitalism, which
is the OTHER violation, the lording of wealth by an individual
so as, once again, to enslave others.
Huh? Who you talking about? Certainly not me, I'm a working stiff,Like, I mean, man, regular snake-bites in the
ass may be good for some, but most could live without them.
---------------------------------
Not required. However, you may consider it "unfair" is you
don't get to have slaves or low-paid flunkies whose homes
you own and rent to them in order to frighten and control
them: Tough shit.
Yes it was, darling.Or a
combination of parts of them? Are differing viewpoints allowed
in your regime?
-------------------------
I have no "regime". I shall be ruled by the Majority who defends
the Truth just as everyone will be. I submit myself to that, and
to coming to understand the Majority Will.
snip vicious ad hominem lie
-------------------
This pretense here is actually YOUR lie.
That makes no sense.
--------------
What <*WHAMMO*
Get to what? How about *you* offering up some logic and reason once inBut not making sense is what you're all about anyway.
-----------------
You're an unreasonable little shit, and you complain you think
*I'm* not logical? YOU don't GET <*BOOOM*
Not so sure about that last one, some seem to think they own the worldviolence. Good has the legitimate right to do violence against
any and all who oppose it.
Just like the Catholics a few hundred years ago. And several kinds of
missionaries up to only a few decades ago. Doesn't sound like all that
good to me.
-------------------------
Everyone uses violence, but only the Truth has the Right to be
defended by violence, the rest is illegitimate!
So we get to throw bombs on evil capitalist nations then? Or evil
capitalists and their lackeys themselves? Do car bombs count if they
target the evils and their ilk?
----------------------------------
If need be, but the only revolution I would support would be one of
a near Majority who didn't need anything clandestine. Bombers are
so sure they are a tiny impotent minority that they stay that way!!
So come up with it once and for all.Define good. Are there degrees of good? Can a superior good stomp on a
lesser good?
- YD.
-----------------------------
There is only one Good, it is Good, everybody knows it, but some
won't admit it, because they have needs born of their abuse as a
child that they think need satisfying before they can ever be
Good/Fair/Just to others. They will need to be stopped to protect
the rest of us, but whether they can ever access their real self
is a mystery.
Steve
Ooooh, wow. You might found a church on that, sweetie. Oooops, already
done. Scientology or something like that, iI believe.
---------------------------------
Nope.
Define good. Are there degrees of good? Can a superior good stomp on a
lesser good?
- YD.
-----------------------------
There is only one Good, it is Good, everybody knows it, but some
won't admit it, because they have needs born of their abuse as a
child that they think need satisfying before they can ever be
Good/Fair/Just to others. They will need to be stopped to protect
the rest of us, but whether they can ever access their real self
is a mystery.
Steve
-----------------
Only one "good", that's hilarious. No degrees of "good", only the one
you've pulled out of your deluded ass, and you're of course the master
and high priest of it.
-----------------------
There is only one best way, and that will triumph.
Who'll shove it down their throats? You're just as bad as all the rest
of the fanatics.
- YD.
-------------------------
No.
You see, because ONLY YOU are the fanatics and only YOU are WRONG!
Were you looking in the mirror just now? Is that a royal "we".
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snip vicious ad hominem lie
I've discussed all this here, you're just a wasting time.On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 23:16:50 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:
YD wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 18:57:29 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:
While the Majority is deprived of its rightful control of its
extended "body", the earth, this is not possible, those who
stole it must be dealt with harshly to instill fear in the
criminal portion of Human Nature, so that it does not show
itself.
You mean, like, throw bombs at capitalists?
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Majorities don't usually need to throw bombs, they come, take,
punish, and execute. But they might if you resist.
-Steve
Good, now we're going somewhere. Dunno exactly where yet but I see
some progress.
So tell me, who or what is this Majority of yours. Who tells them who
to punish and execute? And if some bomb throwing feels needed, at
whom, and who decides on it?
- YD.
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The leaders of the soviet Union were convinvced that their way of governmentYD wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 18:50:52 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:
Prove it's superior, dickhead.
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You're dishonest and disingenuous, hence nothing CAN be fairly proved
TO YOU BECAUSE you're dishonest and disingenuous about admitting it.
And because of that, NOTHING *CAN* be "proved" to anyone who actually
NEEDS it in the way you claim to so NEED it so badly on Usenet, or on
any other forum where your own sort of dishonesty is not being
peer-reviewed by others and your lies intentionally regulated.
Anything can be "superior" if you shove it by force of violence.
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Irrelevant. If the Majority wins, it does so by its inherent justice.
You just won't LIKE a world in which you are absolutely prevented
from bullying, defrauding or lying to or about anyone else!
The Majority can finally win any conflict, if they just bother to.
Whether they will is the only determinant regarding the final outcome
of all historical questions.
Thanks for proving once again what a narrow minded little prick you
are.
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You systematically deleted everything that revealed your total and
unbelievable stupidity. I have restored it, thus proving that your
dishonesty shows once again, that YOU'RE the ONLY narrow-minded
fucking retarded little prick here.
-Steve
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--"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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YD wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 18:50:52 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:
Prove it's superior, dickhead.
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You're dishonest and disingenuous, hence nothing CAN be fairly proved
TO YOU BECAUSE you're dishonest and disingenuous about admitting it.
And because of that, NOTHING *CAN* be "proved" to anyone who actually
NEEDS it in the way you claim to so NEED it so badly on Usenet, or on
any other forum where your own sort of dishonesty is not being
peer-reviewed by others and your lies intentionally regulated.
Anything can be "superior" if you shove it by force of violence.
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Irrelevant. If the Majority wins, it does so by its inherent justice.
You just won't LIKE a world in which you are absolutely prevented
from bullying, defrauding or lying to or about anyone else!
The Majority can finally win any conflict, if they just bother to.
Whether they will is the only determinant regarding the final outcome
of all historical questions.
Thanks for proving once again what a narrow minded little prick you
are.
---------------------
You systematically deleted everything that revealed your total and
unbelievable stupidity. I have restored it, thus proving that your
dishonesty shows once again, that YOU'RE the ONLY narrow-minded
fucking retarded little prick here.
-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public
The leaders of the soviet Union were convinvced that their way of government
was best for "the masses", and we all know what an inhumane, incompetent and
morally empty mess that became. Brunowski said: "Beware of the men who know
they are right." and that is still very good advice. The Nazis knew they
were right. So did Pol Pot and his Kmer Rouge. So do Al Khaida. Once you
know you are right, you can do anything you want to do, no matter how
destructive and reprehensible, because what you are doing is right.
I'm afraid Mr Waltz knows he is right, so everone else must agree or be,
hmm, I wonder what word he'll come up with - "Purged?", "Banned?",
"Terminated with extreme prejudice?".
Considering the rapidity with which he resorts to abuse and personal
insults, and SHOUTS in capital letters when anyone disagrees with him I
would no more put him in charge of anything than I would lend him money.
The character he reminds me of most is Comic Book Man, in The Simpsons.
Speaking as one of those greedy, capatilist bullies, I'd just like him to
know that he's on my "Do not hire" list.
Cap
So who's going to tell them what's good for them? Hey, the best forYD wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 01:43:25 GMT, "Rich Grise" <null@example.net
wrote:
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:40C36FAA.3C93@armory.com...
YD wrote:
Isn't it possible that you are
the deluded one but are so stuck with it you refuse to see it as a
delusion?
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No. This stuff is like mathematics, the process checks its work
backwards. You just don't even bother with the math and instead
you assert an answer merely because it pleases you. I'm bound by
the rules of logic and mathematics.
This is a self-imposed limitation, and you're deluded if you
believe otherwise.
Life is multi-valued and multi-faceted. What's good for you may
not be all that good for me,
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Nonsense, if people knew for themsselves what that was, then people
would all make themselves happy and just shut up.
If I did would I feel it's imposed? You really have a hard timebut I don't mind as long as it's not imposed on me.
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Even if you LIKED it?
So far you haen't said *anything* of value. At most I fear being boredProblem is, this loon wants to impose his views on everybody. As
for his logic and math all I've seen of it this far is a rather
idealized description of tribal life about a million years ago.
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Nope, it bear<*SLAM*
Sounds even worse than some zentral komittee shuffling red tapeI'd really hate a life ruled solely by logic and math, central
planning and five-year-plans may have their points but can be taken
too far.
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Naw, you'd love it, planning isn't "central", you go to a meeting
in a parking lot once or twice a month, later on it will be on the
computer/TV and you discuss your needs in groups and vote. You don't
just give some vague handwaving order to your grocer and hope for
the best, you tell them what you want! The math isn't at the level
of anyone's math-phobia.
Ho-hum. Tell us a bit more of the mechanics of that. Sounds like aLike some bureaucrat decides there'll be a need for two
thousand sociologists or something in a few years time so turn up the
funding for humanities and sluice the good students that way whether
they want it or not.
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There are NO "bureaucrats". You vote, and secretaries are empowered
to go get what you told them to, order what you said, and do what
the vote was, or they get their ass roasted two weeks later. As for
sociologists, we train people in a few subjects they like and employ
them according to the current need as expressed by your votes.
It's more like a prolonged scavenger hunt meeting.
Hey, if wanted to be rich I'd have studied to become a lawyer. I'mThe end result will of course be at best half
competent professionals.
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So are you under some delusion that we get what we actually need NOW,
leaving it to a few ignorant rich people and counting on them and their
greed, and they don't care about US at ALL, to magically come up with
a knowledge of what every speciality does, AND what WE say needs to be
done for us??????? Nonsense!! ANY Majority Democracy has GOT to be
better than a bunch of accidentally in-charge rich assholes with no
interest in YOUR NEEDS!!
But they are, and I like it that way.Real life in a real society with real people interacting has a bit of
chaos theory built into it, even if mostly predictable sometimes a
spanner gets thrown in the works. Like you have an appointment and hop
into the car to get over there. Somewhere along the line some idiot
runs a red light and has a crash. So traffic jams up and you miss the
deadline. Walk into a bar to sooth your nerves and grumble about it to
the guy next to you. Turns out he's in the same line of business and
offers you an even better deal than the one you missed out on.
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Why not just use Google? Things don't have to be random and accidental
Like e-bay on steroids?anymore, we can POST what we need, and what we have, and the People's
\ some kind of bureaurats?data gatherers can report and we can decide to pay the labor cost and
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Move what? Can't recall mentioning pianos or anything.move it to where it is wanted.
How utterly boring.THEN you can walk into a bar and JUST
HAVE A DRINK!
Read it again stupid. You *really* have a comprehension skill problem.Whatever. You know, don't you, you don't make this
society out to be more than a stupid crapshoot! We can do LOTS better
quite easily!
get hung about. Strawberry fields forever. But the technology of clayRead it again stupid. You *really* have a comprehension skill problem.
The story was just an example that life can be rather random and
chancy even with our best effort to order it. I have got some business
over the net but I really enjoy it when a client references me to some
friend who mentions it to an acquintance(sp) who calls me up wondering
if I'd know how to fix that muddy sounding guitar of his. Or
something, don't take it too literally.
Hey, I *like* life a bit of a crapshoot. By what you just described
we'd all end up regimented and lined up for the enjoyment of some high
muckety-muck.
There's an argument to be made that nothing is real. And nothing to