War on humanity

[Guy Macon]

Greg Neill <gneillREM@OVE.netcom.ca> says...

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote...

Jeffrey C. Dege wrote:

My labor is worth more than yours is.

No it's not

Labor is worth what the market will pay for it.

All three of you seem to be confusing "worth" with "cost."

A mother waking up to feed the baby at 4AM has a large worth
but a small cost. A CEO typically has a huge cost and a
very small worth. Many lawyers do work that has have a large
cost and negative worth.

Now then, where's the electronics in this thread?

The in crowd is now marking all posts that don't involve electronics
with [OT] after the Re: It is well known that doing so makes one
more attractive to one's preferred gender...

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Mon, 10 May 2004 00:26:12 GMT) it happened Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in <c7mi7k$17j$1@news.epidc.co.kr>:

On a sunny day (Sun, 09 May 2004 23:37:41 GMT) it happened "R. Steve Walz"
rstevew@armory.com> wrote in <409EC18E.3CD8@armory.com>:

You see, the assumption that some among the majority are unable to
learn something leaves out the fact that others among them will be,
and will wish to serve the democracy even if they are able to learn
more than others, and that we can kill the rest of them who just go
criminal.
One more thing i just find in the news....

maybe why was i looking for TV cubana... i can get it on satellite...
But look here:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/05/14/cuba.us.march.ap/index.html

How Cuban demostrate for their right to LIVE it seems!
Little creep Bush wants to destroy and invade Cuba it seems.

If I was little creep Bush, I would be very very very careful, given a button
I would press it in full faith.
Faith that I protected humanity from one much much worse the Hitler was.
And I am not the only one.
I did read some weeks ago about possible linking between death of Kennedy
and Castro (because Kennedy wanted Castro killed).
Not that I think Cuban TV was so great, TV Chili was more fun
Anyways these South American channels are now relayed via hotbird satellite,
looks transcoded from NTSC to PAL.
So, hopefully Casto sends a killer for Bush.
I for sure would not cry.

___THE US MUST BE DISARMED_____

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Mon, 10 May 2004 00:26:12 GMT) it happened Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in <c7mi7k$17j$1@news.epidc.co.kr>:

On a sunny day (Sun, 09 May 2004 23:37:41 GMT) it happened "R. Steve Walz"
rstevew@armory.com> wrote in <409EC18E.3CD8@armory.com>:

You see, the assumption that some among the majority are unable to
learn something leaves out the fact that others among them will be,
and will wish to serve the democracy even if they are able to learn
more than others, and that we can kill the rest of them who just go
criminal.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/05/14/cuba.us.march.ap/index.html
And I have taken some of the Cuba TV program, and converted it to AVI,
you can download it here:
http://ip51cf87c4.direct-adsl.nl/panteltje/cuba/cuba.avi
This goes on for many hours, the transmission is still going on,
just a sample from it...
This is for you US citizen that are censored to see this by the Bushists.
And for those Europeans who cannot receive Cuba live.
The live transmissions are on satellite:
Hotbird 13 degrees east 11304 MHz horizontal vpid 1037 apid 1038 symbolrate
27500 fec 3/4, in PAL.
There are quite a few people on the streets, looks like everybody there!
Millions!
Movie stays copyright Cuba TV, but I claim free news gathering for
Panteltje Press.
JP

 

Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> says...

Movie stays copyright Cuba TV, but I claim free news gathering for
Panteltje Press.

Are you claiming that for an entire work???

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Greg Neill wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:409AA666.314C@armory.com...
Jeffrey C. Dege wrote:

On Thu, 06 May 2004 00:49:43 GMT, R. Steve Walz <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:
Chuck Harris wrote:

My labor is worth more than yours is.
-------------------------
No it's not. An assertion without reason is meaningless.

Labor is worth what the market will pay for it.
----------------

No, that's like awarding tree leaves purchasing value in an
effort to make everyone rich.

Labor is worth what it is actually worth, which is its
replacement value by the same number of hours of someone else's
labor who would have to do it if the first guy doesn't do it.

If something needs to be done, then it needs to be done.
If we all need something done, then we should pay anyone
the same for doing it as anyone else.

Business favors the competent over the incompetent,
unless there are strong reasons for the contrary
(ie, subsidies). Quantity has a quality of its own.
------------------------

That's because business is a phony form of assigning value.
It assigns value to some cheating others, rather than the
social importance to rewarding and encouraging those who
actually bother to do the work.

When labor prices itself out of business, business
finds labor elsewhere.
------------------------

Business is criminality.
Business and its notion of "cheating" and thieving as having
some value dies as soon as the Majority decides it is not
reputable.

Now then, where's the electronics in this thread?
--------------------------

Social justics benefits everyone who wants more electronics
in their lives, their purchasing power will increase vastly
when the indolent rich are forced to work at productive labor,
and when the wasted labor of those now forced to keep track
of what the poor owe the rich and act as their gate-keepers
are retrained to productive labor in producting consumer
devices, again, the purchasing power of each labor hour will
increase enormously.

-Steve
--
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Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[Rich Grise]

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:40A5680C.5F4@armory.com...

Greg Neill wrote:

Labor is worth what the market will pay for it.
----------------
No, that's like awarding tree leaves purchasing value in an
effort to make everyone rich.

Labor is worth what it is actually worth, which is its
replacement value by the same number of hours of someone else's
labor who would have to do it if the first guy doesn't do it.

If something needs to be done, then it needs to be done.
If we all need something done, then we should pay anyone
the same for doing it as anyone else.

Exactly. It's worth what the market will pay for it, which
two sentences ago you said otherwise.

Walz obviously is not in possession of a functional intellect.

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Mon, 10 May 2004 00:26:12 GMT) it happened Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in <c7mi7k$17j$1@news.epidc.co.kr>:

On a sunny day (Sun, 09 May 2004 23:37:41 GMT) it happened "R. Steve Walz"
rstevew@armory.com> wrote in <409EC18E.3CD8@armory.com>:

You see, the assumption that some among the majority are unable to
learn something leaves out the fact that others among them will be,
and will wish to serve the democracy even if they are able to learn
more than others, and that we can kill the rest of them who just go
criminal.

One more thing i just find in the news....
maybe why was i looking for TV cubana... i can get it on satellite...
But look here:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/05/14/cuba.us.march.ap/index.html
--------------------------

So what?

How Cuban demostrate for their right to LIVE it seems!
Little creep Bush wants to destroy and invade Cuba it seems.
---------------------------

He might like it, but he won't.
He'd never survive the scandal, and neither would the GOP.

If I was little creep Bush, I would be very very very careful,
given a button
I would press it in full faith.
---------------------------

And nuke Cuba?
Then you're an even more ridiculous little fetal-alcohol syndrome
moron than he is.

Faith that I protected humanity from one much much worse the Hitler was.
----------------------------

Bush or Castro? Castro's harmless, his people lIKE him!
You're deluded by your brainwashing.

And I am not the only one.
-----------------------------

No, there are actually a few of you morons.

I did read some weeks ago about possible linking between death of Kennedy
and Castro (because Kennedy wanted Castro killed).
------------------------------

The CIA killed Kennedy at the behest of the rich industrialists and
political power brokers comprising Military Industrial Complex
because he was going to pull us out of Vietnam, which interestingly
would have made much of the 1960's disorder and national schizm
unnecessary. This is the current best guess by everyone who has
reviewed the evidence. There are too many pointers directly to
the CIA.

Not that I think Cuban TV was so great, TV Chili was more fun
Anyways these South American channels are now relayed via hotbird satellite,
looks transcoded from NTSC to PAL.
So, hopefully Casto sends a killer for Bush.
I for sure would not cry.

___THE US MUST BE DISARMED_____
-------------------------------------

Me neither, but I'm trying to figure out what in the world you
actually believe in.

You seem to contradict yourself at every turn.

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Mon, 10 May 2004 00:26:12 GMT) it happened Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in <c7mi7k$17j$1@news.epidc.co.kr>:

On a sunny day (Sun, 09 May 2004 23:37:41 GMT) it happened "R. Steve Walz"
rstevew@armory.com> wrote in <409EC18E.3CD8@armory.com>:

You see, the assumption that some among the majority are unable to
learn something leaves out the fact that others among them will be,
and will wish to serve the democracy even if they are able to learn
more than others, and that we can kill the rest of them who just go
criminal.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/05/14/cuba.us.march.ap/index.html
And I have taken some of the Cuba TV program, and converted it to AVI,
you can download it here:
http://ip51cf87c4.direct-adsl.nl/panteltje/cuba/cuba.avi
This goes on for many hours, the transmission is still going on,
just a sample from it...
This is for you US citizen that are censored to see this by the Bushists.
And for those Europeans who cannot receive Cuba live.
The live transmissions are on satellite:
Hotbird 13 degrees east 11304 MHz horizontal vpid 1037 apid 1038 symbolrate
27500 fec 3/4, in PAL.
There are quite a few people on the streets, looks like everybody there!
Millions!
Movie stays copyright Cuba TV, but I claim free news gathering for
Panteltje Press.
JP
-------------------

Fine, but I know what Fidel says, as does anyone who's interested.

The problem with America is not info, it's interest and a vacuum
of social conscience.

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Rich Grise wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:40A5680C.5F4@armory.com...
Greg Neill wrote:

Labor is worth what the market will pay for it.
----------------
No, that's like awarding tree leaves purchasing value in an
effort to make everyone rich.

Labor is worth what it is actually worth, which is its
replacement value by the same number of hours of someone else's
labor who would have to do it if the first guy doesn't do it.

If something needs to be done, then it needs to be done.
If we all need something done, then we should pay anyone
the same for doing it as anyone else.

Exactly. It's worth what the market will pay for it, which
two sentences ago you said otherwise.
----------------------

Nope, it's worth that number of hours of one's labor at ANYTHING.

Why? Because no one is fit to deprive someone else if they did
something that you'd have to do the same way if they didn't do it!!

You have trouble understanding english. When reading it is important
to try to figure out what the author meant, and not how you can
distort it to match your delusions.

Walz obviously is not in possession of a functional intellect.
--------------------------

You're unable to read for comprehension, or reason logically.

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[Richard Henry]

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:40A5BC8F.2FFD@armory.com...

Nope, it's worth that number of hours of one's labor at ANYTHING.

Why? Because no one is fit to deprive someone else if they did
something that you'd have to do the same way if they didn't do it!!

You have trouble understanding english. When reading it is important
to try to figure out what the author meant, and not how you can
distort it to match your delusions.

So all labor is of equal value?

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sat, 15 May 2004 06:05:01 GMT) it happened "R. Steve Walz"
<rstevew@armory.com> wrote in <40A5B3E0.5BE3@armory.com>:

Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Mon, 10 May 2004 00:26:12 GMT) it happened Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in <c7mi7k$17j$1@news.epidc.co.kr>:

On a sunny day (Sun, 09 May 2004 23:37:41 GMT) it happened "R. Steve Walz"
rstevew@armory.com> wrote in <409EC18E.3CD8@armory.com>:

You see, the assumption that some among the majority are unable to
learn something leaves out the fact that others among them will be,
and will wish to serve the democracy even if they are able to learn
more than others, and that we can kill the rest of them who just go
criminal.

One more thing i just find in the news....
maybe why was i looking for TV cubana... i can get it on satellite...
But look here:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/05/14/cuba.us.march.ap/index.html
--------------------------
So what?


How Cuban demostrate for their right to LIVE it seems!
Little creep Bush wants to destroy and invade Cuba it seems.
---------------------------
He might like it, but he won't.
He'd never survive the scandal, and neither would the GOP.


If I was little creep Bush, I would be very very very careful,
given a button
I would press it in full faith.
---------------------------
And nuke Cuba?
Then you're an even more ridiculous little fetal-alcohol syndrome
moron than he is.
No, I did not write that clear enough, I would nuke Bush,

but only Bush and Cheney and some of his destruction designers.
Then re-educate (unbrainswash) the US people.
But perhaps that would take to long, some has now become
sort of hardwired.
Those will suffer from their own delusions, as always.
I am sure you know tha tis true ;-)

Faith that I protected humanity from one much much worse the Hitler was.
----------------------------
Bush or Castro? Castro's harmless, his people lIKE him!
You're deluded by your brainwashing.
I will consider you did not write the rest, because you misunderstood me.

Yes, Cubans like Castro.
US will like Casto gone, because civil war will come then, and they can sell weapons.
Why don't you move to Cuba btw?
It is more in line with your philosopies?
Bush Facista! See the clip I posted.

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Richard Henry wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:40A5BC8F.2FFD@armory.com...

Nope, it's worth that number of hours of one's labor at ANYTHING.

Why? Because no one is fit to deprive someone else if they did
something that you'd have to do the same way if they didn't do it!!

You have trouble understanding english. When reading it is important
to try to figure out what the author meant, and not how you can
distort it to match your delusions.

So all labor is of equal value?
-----------------

All hours of a human's devotion to purposes not strictly his own
is of equal enslavement, and thus requires equal compensation.

And NO one is fit to decide another's enslavement is less valuable
than his own. Such a decision is theft.

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Sat, 15 May 2004 06:05:01 GMT) it happened "R. Steve Walz"
rstevew@armory.com> wrote in <40A5B3E0.5BE3@armory.com>:

Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Mon, 10 May 2004 00:26:12 GMT) it happened Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in <c7mi7k$17j$1@news.epidc.co.kr>:

On a sunny day (Sun, 09 May 2004 23:37:41 GMT) it happened "R. Steve Walz"
rstevew@armory.com> wrote in <409EC18E.3CD8@armory.com>:

You see, the assumption that some among the majority are unable to
learn something leaves out the fact that others among them will be,
and will wish to serve the democracy even if they are able to learn
more than others, and that we can kill the rest of them who just go
criminal.

One more thing i just find in the news....
maybe why was i looking for TV cubana... i can get it on satellite...
But look here:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/05/14/cuba.us.march.ap/index.html
--------------------------
So what?


How Cuban demostrate for their right to LIVE it seems!
Little creep Bush wants to destroy and invade Cuba it seems.
---------------------------
He might like it, but he won't.
He'd never survive the scandal, and neither would the GOP.


If I was little creep Bush, I would be very very very careful,
given a button
I would press it in full faith.
---------------------------
And nuke Cuba?
Then you're an even more ridiculous little fetal-alcohol syndrome
moron than he is.

No, I did not write that clear enough, I would nuke Bush,
but only Bush and Cheney and some of his destruction designers.
Then re-educate (unbrainswash) the US people.
But perhaps that would take to long, some has now become
sort of hardwired.
Those will suffer from their own delusions, as always.
I am sure you know tha tis true ;-)
--------------------------------

Most of us know Bush is a retarded little cretin.
But nuking him would nuke lots of us too.

Faith that I protected humanity from one much much worse the Hitler was.
----------------------------
Bush or Castro? Castro's harmless, his people lIKE him!
You're deluded by your brainwashing.

I will consider you did not write the rest, because you misunderstood me.
Yes, Cubans like Castro.
US will like Casto gone, because civil war will come then, and they can sell weapons.
Why don't you move to Cuba btw?
It is more in line with your philosopies?
Bush Facista! See the clip I posted.
--------------------------------

I've been there, Castro is entertaining, but fairly backward.
Cuba is an archaic attempt at socialism, it is NOT my "Communism".

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[Greg Neill]

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message news:40A6BA86.5E85@armory.com...

Richard Henry wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:40A5BC8F.2FFD@armory.com...


So all labor is of equal value?
-----------------
All hours of a human's devotion to purposes not strictly his own
is of equal enslavement, and thus requires equal compensation.

And NO one is fit to decide another's enslavement is less valuable
than his own. Such a decision is theft.

Nice sentiment. But it won't get you a raise at
your job flipping burgers at Burger King.

In the real world, brain surgeons are paid more
than window washers.

 

[Richard Henry]

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:40A6BA86.5E85@armory.com...

Richard Henry wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:40A5BC8F.2FFD@armory.com...

Nope, it's worth that number of hours of one's labor at ANYTHING.

Why? Because no one is fit to deprive someone else if they did
something that you'd have to do the same way if they didn't do it!!

You have trouble understanding english. When reading it is important
to try to figure out what the author meant, and not how you can
distort it to match your delusions.

So all labor is of equal value?
-----------------
All hours of a human's devotion to purposes not strictly his own
is of equal enslavement, and thus requires equal compensation.

And NO one is fit to decide another's enslavement is less valuable
than his own. Such a decision is theft.

The grandma can pay for her hip replacemnt (which takes 10 man-hours) by an
equal time sweeping streets?

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sun, 16 May 2004 00:48:48 GMT) it happened "R. Steve Walz"
<rstevew@armory.com> wrote in <40A6BB44.4AD8@armory.com>:

Most of us know Bush is a retarded little cretin.
But nuking him would nuke lots of us too.
Maybe one of those small nuke hand grenades sci.physics

was talking about years ago.

Or a weapon that specifically targets ...
Like impeachment for example.
JP

 

[Rich Grise]

"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c87sqo$34a$1@news.epidc.co.kr...

On a sunny day (Sun, 16 May 2004 00:48:48 GMT) it happened "R. Steve Walz"
rstevew@armory.com> wrote in <40A6BB44.4AD8@armory.com>:

Most of us know Bush is a retarded little cretin.
But nuking him would nuke lots of us too.
Maybe one of those small nuke hand grenades sci.physics
was talking about years ago.

Or a weapon that specifically targets ...
Like impeachment for example.
JP

I'm afraid that if he were to get assassinated, the illuminati
would make a martyr out of him. That's kind of the opposite of
what's really needed.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Roger Gt]

X-No-Archive: yes
"Reg Edwards" wrote
: > I'm afraid that if he were to get assassinated, the illuminati
: > would make a martyr out of him. That's kind of the opposite of
: > what's really needed.
: >
: ===========================
:
: Aren't you apprehensive about being accused of being unpatriotic
in wartime?
: Or worse. ;o)


Rather than "accused" perhaps "Perceived" would be a more precise
word here!

Roger Gt

 

[Reg Edwards]

I'm afraid that if he were to get assassinated, the illuminati
would make a martyr out of him. That's kind of the opposite of
what's really needed.

===========================

Arn't you apprehensive about being accused of being unpatriotic in wartime?
Or worse. ;o)

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Sun, 16 May 2004 23:52:04 +0000 (UTC), the renowned "Reg Edwards"
<g4fgq.regp@ZZZbtinternet.com> wrote:

"Reg Edwards" wrote
: > I'm afraid that if he were to get assassinated, the illuminati
: > would make a martyr out of him. That's kind of the opposite of
: > what's really needed.
:
: ===========================
:
: Aren't you apprehensive about being accused of being unpatriotic
in wartime?
: Or worse. ;o)


Rather than "accused" perhaps "Perceived" would be a more precise
word here!


Human nature being what it is, how about being anonymously accused of being
a terrorist associate - and then disappearing from circulation?

What if you are "linked"? That easy, just about everyone is linked
with just about everyone else.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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