War on humanity

[Rich Grise]

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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Rich Grise wrote:

If so, let's see citations.

Put your money where your BS is.

feh.
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Again you are doing nothing but posturing.

Do your own homework.
Nobody bothers with disingenuous Rightist cretins like you on here.

I knew you couldn't back up your bullshit.

You are a liar, or possibly just self-deceived.

You're the one making outrageous claims - the burden of proof
is on you.

I know you're wrong, everybody else on the NG knows you're wrong,
the only one who doesn't know you're wrong is you.

If you're not wrong, prove it.

Otherwill you'll still just be wrong.

I don't have to prove you wrong any more than I have to prove
that the sky's blue.

And your very post, this one I'm responding to, is all the
proof any of us needs to show beyond a shadow of a doubt, that
not only are you wrong, but you haven't even got the wherewithal
to _try_ to provide any kind of evidence that you're not.

Oh, well, since, by your own admission, you have no Will, and
are nothing but a bit pattern, I don't know why I continue
to demonstrate my foolishness by trying to reason with you.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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But what I DID say is documented elsewhere in countless places,

SO SHOW US ONE, LIAR!

 

[Rich Grise]

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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You won't find one, though.
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Hundreds.
I just won't bother with your sort, you lying piece of shit.

Of course not. Since there aren't any, you can't, and so you
start cussing and have a tantrum.

So, since you won't back up your lies, and "won't bother with
[our] sort", shut the fuck up.

Geez.

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 06 May 2004 21:27:28 GMT) it happened "R. Steve Walz"
rstevew@armory.com> wrote in <409AAE89.27F5@armory.com>:

Richard Henry wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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Richard Henry wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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It's not weird, it parallels the way humans lived in tribes for
a hundred thousand years.

How do you know that? Most primitive tribes studied in the last century
or
so had a strongman/chief/king type of government.
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Nonsense. You're obviously unread.

Please cite examples (outside your fantasies) to support your criticism.
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You're vainly posturing to pretend that you can turn this.

Small-scale tribal culture is notoriously NON-hierarchical, that's
in every anthro book since Boas. And also, their "chiefs" are now
understood to be servants of the tribe, not dictators.

And all the large-scale tribes, like the Iroquois/Algonquian were
purely democratic and mass-socialist.

The only "strongman/king" varieties occured in the anti-tribal
enslavements of tribes in Europe and other post-tribal/anti-tribal
periods in China and Africa.

-Steve

Steve this is not correct, even some groups of apes did have a leader
who even decided who could have sex with who.
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Ahem, we were discussing humans in the previous post.

And that is only gorillas, who are now found to reward their
supporters with access to females. The rest of chimp varieties
don't give a damn.

He was leader until challenged and lost by an other stronger mail.
Think Faraos...
JP
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(Sp-nit):"Male".

I have carefully poured over all primate research.

Chimp leadership is a separate issue entirely from sexual access,
and both issues are decided by the females by their influencing
their male supporters.

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[R. Steve Walz]

Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 07 May 2004 01:56:53 GMT) it happened "R. Steve Walz"
rstevew@armory.com> wrote in <409AEDAF.2488@armory.com>:

But you'd forcibly evacuate thousands or millions of people, because
their presence is inconvenient to your vision of how society should work.
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It's called eminent domain.
Could be called genoside too,
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(Sp-nit):"Genocide."
And no, the exercise of simple eminent domain is not any kind of
genocide.

Don't get overly dramatic, this can be done over decades, slowly.
if it is done some specific way.
JP
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Of course it is, silly.

-Steve
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[R. Steve Walz]

Mark Fergerson wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:

Mark Fergerson wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:

snip

I've kept out of this thread because you've been doing so
well so far.

But you wrote:


Will Rogers always appealed to the worst and most pessimistic about
government and democracy. Remember, humorists never have anything
true or positive to say ONLY because that just wouldn't be very
funny, not because they're right. Humor is the last refuge of
someone who can't commit to anything important.

It may also be the sole way to express political ideas
that would get you Gulaged if you presented them _as_
political thought. Examples; Lenny Bruce, George Carlin, and
Yakov Smirnoff.

Agreed.

I thought so.

But they are still not suited to represent absolute truth.

Of course not (let's don't get into the "absolute truth"
argument again, please). Even with a sympathetic audience,
they have to sorta sidle up to the truths they're telling
and let the audience figure them out on their own to keep
the censors from going pre-emptively ballistic. Sometimes I
envy that kind of creative patience.

Mark L. Fergerson
--------------------

All those are are entertainers, they deal in amusing fiction,
not reality or Truth. The audience carries their water, even
creates their meaning to suit themselves. The humor doesn't
really have to take a side if its audience does.

-Steve
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[R. Steve Walz]

Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 07 May 2004 01:49:01 GMT) it happened "R. Steve Walz"
rstevew@armory.com> wrote in <409AEBD5.7DEE@armory.com>:

Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 06 May 2004 02:13:28 GMT) it happened "R. Steve Walz"
rstevew@armory.com> wrote in <4099A011.1F4@armory.com>:

Richard Henry wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Wed, 05 May 2004 06:02:55 GMT) it happened "R. Steve
Walz"
rstevew@armory.com> wrote in <40988457.186F@armory.com>:

No, I simply turn it to mine own meaning, as I do indeed see it
that way. I know True Human Nature.

Then why carry on about such a weard system?
JP
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"Weird"??

It's not weird, it parallels the way humans lived in tribes for
a hundred thousand years.

How do you know that? Most primitive tribes studied in the last century or
so had a strongman/chief/king type of government.
-------------------
Nonsense. You're obviously unread.

-Steve

No, wait a minute, some month ago I did see this fantastic documentary
about some sort of apes (don't remember what sort), and they had a leader.
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Yes, a deposable one, apes invented popular democracy.


(Because Darwin, ancestors, apes.. see the link?).
Anyways this leader REALLY had control, his own spies even, and some of his
women cheating on him, and the spies reporting that to him, upon which he went
to beat up the ape who did it with one of his women.
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YOU best go read Goodall et alia.

Nonsense, apes don't care who gets fucked, the ape leader only
tries to run off direct opponents to his leadership, he doesn't bar
access to females. The females are the power-base that supports his
leadership, and they WANT the other males!

Actually he does, the strongest gets the best females FIRST.
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Nope, not even most of the time.

You would not want to mess with that leader.
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And that's nonsense.
You're depicting a cartoon version of primate reality.
Females chose the male leader by encouraging their lovers
to support him. He is more of a "movie star", a symbol,
the females retain the power among chimps.

Among gorillas, the lead male seems to be in charge,
but the females leave and follow any new leader they
select. He has no ability to keep them, the rest is
nothing but a show.

In the movie he used a large tree branch to beat up the poor ape
who did it with HIS woman, and chased him out of the colony.
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You're misinterpreting his motives, it is rivalry, not sexual
access that interests him.

When not fighting ,he had others comb his hair, bring him food,
sit around protecting him, eyes closed......
So human I liked it
Like a maffia boss really.
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You need lessons in observation. You're merely replaying human
plots and pretending. You can't even see your own bias.

Also, don't believe the shit they write for television. Absolutely
nobody is checking that shit primatologically, it's all fanciful.
Beware of who interprets "truth" for you.

But Steve, the was a SCIENTIFIC program.
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It was a phony-scientific program. There's lots of that on the
Discover channel et alia.

Do you object to science?
I think not.
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But you do.

Those guy studied those apes for a long time, both different sorts.
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Do you know anything about him? Hmmm? Guess again!

The pics spoke for themselves, even without analysis.
JP
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Oh really? Nope. How amaterish!

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[R. Steve Walz]

Rich Grise wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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Rich Grise wrote:

If so, let's see citations.

Put your money where your BS is.

feh.
------------------
Again you are doing nothing but posturing.

Do your own homework.
Nobody bothers with disingenuous Rightist cretins like you on here.

I knew you couldn't back up your bullshit.
----------------------

You merely posture and lie.
I have no interest in even bothering to oppose your simplex
pathological irrationality.

You are a liar, or possibly just self-deceived.
--------------------------

Sorry, no.

You're the one making outrageous claims - the burden of proof
is on you.
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You're allegation that my claims are outrageous is simply
disingenuous. My claims are quite obvious.

I know you're wrong, everybody else on the NG knows you're wrong,
the only one who doesn't know you're wrong is you.
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Now if only you could speak for them, and if only that made them
invariably right, neither of which is so.

If you're not wrong, prove it.

Otherwill you'll still just be wrong.
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Declining to cast pearls before such swine as you is evidence of nothing
whatsoever.

I don't have to prove you wrong any more than I have to prove
that the sky's blue.
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No, the correct way to state it is that you haven't any way
to prove me wrong.

And your very post, this one I'm responding to, is all the
proof any of us needs to show beyond a shadow of a doubt, that
not only are you wrong, but you haven't even got the wherewithal
to _try_ to provide any kind of evidence that you're not.
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Sorry, but that still isn't true. Try syllogism, instead of
merely your dishonest preferences.

Oh, well, since, by your own admission, you have no Will, and
are nothing but a bit pattern, I don't know why I continue
to demonstrate my foolishness by trying to reason with you.
Rich
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I must frighten you.

-Steve
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[R. Steve Walz]

Rich Grise wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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But what I DID say is documented elsewhere in countless places,

SO SHOW US ONE, LIAR!
------------------------

Look them up yourself, search till you find them.

I know that scandalizes you, me demanding that you hunt up support
for MY argument, but what I claim is SO obvious and prevalent that
you actually SHOULD have to ACTUALLY do so before ever pretending
*I* can't!!

-Steve
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[Richard Henry]

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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I have carefully poured over all primate research.

It's "pored over", and no, you haven't.

 

[Richard Henry]

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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My claims are quite obvious.

In all the time you have been posting to usenet, has anyone ever agreed with
anything you said?

 

[Richard Henry]

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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Look them up yourself, search till you find them.

I know that scandalizes you, me demanding that you hunt up support
for MY argument, but what I claim is SO obvious and prevalent that
you actually SHOULD have to ACTUALLY do so before ever pretending
*I* can't!!

No one has to pretend you can't.

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Richard Henry wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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I have carefully poured over all primate research.

It's "pored over", and no, you haven't.
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No, it's not "pored". And yes I have.

-Steve
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[R. Steve Walz]

Richard Henry wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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My claims are quite obvious.

In all the time you have been posting to usenet, has anyone ever agreed with
anything you said?
--------------------

I have lots of emails from people who agree with me consistently
over many years. The only ones who make negative noises are
the noisy damaged ones anyway.

-Steve
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[R. Steve Walz]

Richard Henry wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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Look them up yourself, search till you find them.

I know that scandalizes you, me demanding that you hunt up support
for MY argument, but what I claim is SO obvious and prevalent that
you actually SHOULD have to ACTUALLY do so before ever pretending
*I* can't!!

No one has to pretend you can't.
-----------------

Of coure they have. It's a favorite lie of the disingenuous to first
ignore whatever you cite, pretend you never did, or that it is not
sufficient, or they never heard of it, and then when you stop even
bothering with them to claim that you don't because you cannot.
They are merely engaging in a cynical tactic to waste your time.

I stopped citing research over 7 years ago once I realized they
were simply playing a game. All of Anti-Science uses that tactic.

-Steve
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[Richard Henry]

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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Richard Henry wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:409C7DC4.28A1@armory.com...

My claims are quite obvious.

In all the time you have been posting to usenet, has anyone ever agreed
with
anything you said?
--------------------
I have lots of emails from people who agree with me consistently
over many years. The only ones who make negative noises are
the noisy damaged ones anyway.

I'll take that as a "no".

 

[Richard Henry]

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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Richard Henry wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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I have carefully poured over all primate research.

It's "pored over", and no, you haven't.
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No, it's not "pored". And yes I have.

10 seconds on google:

pore
verb [intransitive]
1 [foll by over] to make a close examination or study (of a book, map,
etc.)
example: he pored over the documents for several hours
....

http://www.wordreference.com/english/definition.asp?en=pore&v=b

And no, you haven't.

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Richard Henry wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:409C9C08.596F@armory.com...
Richard Henry wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:409C7DC4.28A1@armory.com...

My claims are quite obvious.

In all the time you have been posting to usenet, has anyone ever agreed
with
anything you said?
--------------------
I have lots of emails from people who agree with me consistently
over many years. The only ones who make negative noises are
the noisy damaged ones anyway.

I'll take that as a "no".
---------------------

Then you're nothing but a shitty little liar and must be dismissed.

-Steve
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[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sat, 08 May 2004 06:00:35 GMT) it happened "R. Steve Walz"
<rstevew@armory.com> wrote in <409C784F.899@armory.com>:

I have carefully poured over all primate research.

Chimp leadership is a separate issue entirely from sexual access,
and both issues are decided by the females by their influencing
their male supporters.
Even that sounds familiar...

Maybe we should not be fighting Bush, but the first lady?
Who else did she do it with?
JP

 

[KR Williams]

In article <ZZAmc.170878$L31.11346@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,
null@example.net says...

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:14:00 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:


As long as one can learn, and all people can, there is little you cannot
do.

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Crap.

Even assuming that everyone can learn, (which is an unwarranted
assumption) and using you for an example, what you _can_ do would
fill, at most, a page or two while what you _can't_ do would fill
volumes.

John, you poor unfortunate limited little man.

I can do absolutely anything anyone else on the planet can do.

I just use the proper tool.

If I need to go a mile in four minutes, I'll use a bicycle.

If King Walz allows you to have one.

Or a car. ;-)

A definite no-no in Walzland.

If I need to lift a ton, I'll use a crane.

Nope. That would imply stealing someone's labor to build the
crane.

If I need to design a digital signal processing system, I'll hire
somebody.

Not allowed in the Kingdom of Walz. You should be *shot* for
even thinking this way!

--
Keith