Very fast rise time generator...

[SteveW]

On 17/02/2023 19:22, micky wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 14 Feb 2023 23:25:06 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


For instance, the book I started learning English taught the expression
\"it is raining cats and dogs\". Most of the times I tried to use it,
nobody understood it and I had to explain :-D

It certainly was raining cats and dogs last week. I know because I
stepped in a poodle.

Back in the \'70s, a guy in the UK had a problem with his car. He went to
the dealer, who advised that it was a gearbox problem, but there were no
spares in the UK. He contacted the manufacturer, who stated that they
were not intending sending any, unless the minimum quantity of 10,000
were ordered. He fought this with the dealer and the manufacturer for
some time, but eventually gave in and ordered 10,000 of them.

Some time later, the parts were flown in, but disaster struck, when the
plane disintegrated in mid-air.

The evening news carried a report of it raining Datsun cogs.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 19/02/2023 22:13, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

On 2023-02-19, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 12:41:15 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

It is quite hard in the UK to get a mortgage on a 100% timber frame.

That would explain the Soviet style apartment blocks I see in British
films. Some attempt to dress up the poured concrete construction with
limited success.

The word you\'re looking for is brutalism. It was/is a style:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brutalist_architecture

Almost all new construction in this area is platform
framed wood construction, sheathed with OSB, wrapped in Tyvek, and some
sort of decorative siding applied. The exception is multistory commercial
buildings.

It\'s about how this country was settled: plenty of timber, no
restrictions on cutting it on your own property; easy for the
yeoman-farmer to build with, especially since there were all
those felled trees left from clearing the virgin forest.

It\'s not a bad material. The oldest surviving timber-frame house
in the U.S. was built in about 1640.

There\'s quite a few older than that in the UK.

However the problem is that the statistics show that eventually nearly
all of them catch fire.

And there is nothing left to rebuild.



--
No Apple devices were knowingly used in the preparation of this post.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 22/02/2023 14:43, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 08:00:33 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 00:42:13 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 20:37:43 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Rotary took fucking ages to dial long distance. And a very long time
to dial the UK emergency 999. Should have been 111.

That was designed to prevent cats from dialing the emergency services.
At least the US went for 911.

It would be very unlikely for a cat to happen to dial 1 repeatedly.

Never had a cat, did you?

with tone dialling its a cinch
--
It is the folly of too many to mistake the echo of a London coffee-house
for the voice of the kingdom.

Jonathan Swift

 

[Scott Lurndal]

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> writes:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 13:54:41 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-11 13:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 12:03:39 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-11 10:34, Brian Gaff wrote:
I\'m sure the modern ones will work any way around you wanted. If you
don\'t
like it simply do a head stand before you change them.

My main question, however is why are some breakers so sensitive they
trip
more often than others?
I think they are way too complex now with earth leakage as well as
just
looking for overloads.

Here all houses have mandatorily a whole house RCD. Since many years.

And if you don\'t have one you what? Go to jail?

You do not get electricity.

Remind me never to live in that communist state. It really is none of anyone\'s business how safe you are.

It is, however, their business if the electrical problem
causes a fire that burns down half the town, or takes out
a condominium project or flats.

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 20:03:40 +0100, cretinous Carlos E.R., another brain
dead troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:


> Then open the door :-D

First you stop feeding the troll, you troll-feeding senile idiotic spick!

 

[Don Y]

On 2/20/2023 2:22 AM, James wrote:

On 19/02/2023 12:30, Don Y wrote:

No but your answers here should understand the problems others are
facing.  Quote: \'My comment (above) was with regard to the *increase*
in cost (from \"rate hikes\") as being relatively modest.\'  They are not.

How much should I alter my behavior to reflect the conditions in
Ukraine, today?

Your behaviour should not be dismissive of others that may have experienced
tripled energy costs.

Why should your problems be mine? Are you going to do anything to refill
Lakes Meade & Powell? Or, address gun violence, here? Shouldn\'t you
feel morally obligated to do so? (as you seem to think USAins have
to behave as brits in our values and approaches to problems)

Drive smaller cars.
Own smaller refrigerators.
Use less energy.
Be more fit.
Lose collective weight.

I can solve your energy problem: develop new energy sources! See how
easy that was?

I can solve your political problems: throw everyone out at the next
election and arrange for that to happen RSN. Repeat until the folks
who end up in office actually respond to your needs. Another simple fix!

Should I be more *appreciative* of the fact
that I have lights and sanitation?

Probably yes.  You are getting there.

A comment I hear from my right-wing friends is that the EU \"deserves\"
the (energy) problems they\'re facing because they cozied up to Russia,
(presumably for short-term savings at the expense of energy independence).
\"Why should *we* be shipping fuels to them and driving up domestic
prices?  Shouldn\'t we try to capitalize on their dilemma?  Isn\'t that
\'supply-and-demand\'?  Maybe their markets will \'teach them\' that lesson...\"

A valid although incomplete view point but that is politics over which I have
minimal control.  I can influence my energy bill by reducing consumption.  In a
technical group it is valid to be interested in that consumption.  We do not
need quips.

\"Quips\" -- comments that you don\'t like. Regardless of how accurately they
reflect reality. Would you prefer if I cooed and reassured you that it\'ll
be OK, don\'t fret?

I don\'t feel much sympathy for folks who rob banks and get shot by the
police. They screwed up (YOU screwed up with your energy policies).

You could be spending your time working for pols who would get you out of your
problems. Or, is that someone *else\'s* problem? It seems like you\'re just
opting for the easy solution: \"I measure everything\". But, you likely still
use more energy than *essential* -- does that make you feel inadequate as a
person?

Or, *design* something that saves energy -- but, on a *significant* scale
(not some incremental reduction). India needs an economical refrigeration
solution -- on a massive scale. See what you can offer, there.

Or, figure out how you are going to convince entire national populations
that they should adopt your value system(s). And, test that approach
on each nation!

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 16:28:52 +0100, Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid>
wrote:

On 22 Feb 2023 14:43:11 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


Never had a cat, did you?

You STILL have no one in RL who wants to listen to you and your endless
bullshit, senile sucker of troll cock?

I you guys behaved like this in real life, in your local pub, you\'d
get home on a stretcher. Of course, you don\'t have the balls to be
this obnoxious in real life, or to even use your real name on usenet.

Tell us your name. Show us some electronics. Post an original
schematic.

 

[Peeler]

On 15 Feb 2023 15:47:57 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

I live in the American South. We have you, y\'all, and all y\'all, for
increasing levels of plural you.

Youse.

Like in, \"youse all senile?\" <BG>

--
Yet more of the so very interesting senile blather by lowbrowwoman:
\"My family loaded me into a \'51 Chevy and drove from NY to Seattle and
back in \'52. I\'m alive. The Chevy had a painted steel dashboard with two
little hand prints worn down to the primer because I liked to stand up
and lean on it to see where we were going.\"
MID: <j2kuc1F3ejsU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 20:14:47 +0100, cretinous Carlos E.R., another brain
dead troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

(in Spain, the right wing ruled for over 40 years during Franco
dictatorship, and when he said this we were just out of the dictatorship)

Yeah, and it was responsible for the Spaniards having now become the dumbest
and most disgusting \"ultra-progressive\" shitheaded idiots inside the EU! You
are obviously a case in point, you troll-feeding senile cretin!

 

[Don Y]

On 2/20/2023 2:22 AM, James wrote:

On 19/02/2023 12:21, Don Y wrote:

And, what do they do when they
don\'t like what they see, return it?

Yes or not switch it on.

You buy things to *use* them, not worship them.

Not 100% of the time.  If it is an old existing device stop using it or replace.

And *you* get to make that decision for *me*? Wow, full
of yourself, eh?

Will you publish
a comprehensive catalog of every energy consuming device
with costs normalized so consumers can make informed choices?

The manufactures do on many items.  Ovens included.

I have a dozen different external USB drives.  Where is the
data that lets me decide how much each costs to operate?

On the manufacture\'s website, I expect.

Should be relatively easy for YOU to find, then.
I\'ll wait for your report...

How do I balance this against capacity (if I have to operate
TWO drives, what am I saving?), access times, reliability, etc?

A single consumer probably does not but for an OEM or data centre most
certainly will.

How many disks in use that aren\'t in data centers vs. the number
*in* data centers? How can you judge the magnitude of the
problem if you don\'t have those numbers?

Or, are you giving \"single consumers\" (all hundreds of millions of them)
liberty to NOT be concerned with this?

Energy costs are typically very low on the list of purchase
decisions, here, esp for electric-powered items (because
electric costs don\'t see sudden changes).

It has always been in the TCO.  Energy costs *have* see sudden changes for some
and shifted the TCO sums.

Consumers don\'t see those things. I have an electric eraser, here.
What\'s the TCO of that? How many years of service am I expected
to get from it? How much electricity will it use over that period?
At what point will its efficiency fall to a point that *suggests*
it might want to be replaced? Was there a better choice that I
could have made, at the time, when I purchased it?

Or, does TCO only factor into *some* decisions? Which ones?
Who makes that decision?

Meanwhile, people will ignore issues that they don\'t consider as
important to their purchase and use decisions.  And, they will be
empowered to do so by the lack of real-time, easy-to-review
data that they can factor into those decisions.

They could be \"empowered\" by running out of money and/or resources.

Here, all food products cary a \"nutrition label\". It gives
the consumer information as to serving size (supposedly
somewhat standardized within product families), number of
servings in container, calories, fat, sodium, etc. per serving.

You\'d think that abundance of data would lead to a population
that is \"fit\" and \"healthy\"! But, there\'s no real way to use
the data in day-to-day decisions -- other than choosing between
similar items (\"This one has more fat per serving...\"). You
can\'t use the data to plan a diet because there are simply
too many choices and opportunities, during a day, to MAKE
those choices. (\"If I eat this, now, can I compensate for
it with my eating choices later, today?\")

Is Joe Average (Joe Bloggs) going to be able to make informed
decisions regarding these things?  Will he unnecessarily
inconvenience himself (reducing house temperature) for minimal
savings?  Or, miss an opportunity to achieve greater savings
because he was unable to grok the consequences of a behavior?

...indeed, the world relies on the manufactures and legislation.

The US is an entirely different beast than the EU et al.
\"Freedom\" is largely interpreted as the freedom to \"do business\".

Freedom to pollute other people?  The zeroth law of freedom should be that it
can\'t impinge on anyone else\'s freedom.

So, your declaring that as a \"law\" doesn\'t impinge on *my* freedom?
What if others have different ideas as to what those \"laws\" should
be? Do *they* get a voice in the decision?

Maybe energy shouldn\'t be importable -- every nation should have
to live within it\'s local means (why impose on neighbors for your
shortfalls?). Locally adopt changes to meet your available resources.
Without \"impinging\" on others who don\'t have them! You can impose
whatever sort of draconian measures your population will tolerate
to solve *its* problem!

No one is stopping you from running around counting joules.
Knock yourself out! Get a sandwich board and stand on your
local street corner preaching to passers-by. Make sure the
energy you expend doing so doesn\'t exceed the actual savings!

You seem to think others have to adopt your obsession with
energy efficiency. It seems like YOU have the problem, so it
seems that YOU should be addressing YOUR problem.

I don\'t ask you to address *my* problems.

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 16:33:45 +0100, cretinous Carlos E.R., another brain
dead troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

Yes, it is.

It is not only about you, but any visitor, or anybody living in adjacent
houses.

No, you really dumb senile spick! It\'s all about him trolling you senile
assholes in the 3 ngs he keeps crossposting his sick shit to!

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 20:17:35 +0100, cretinous Carlos E.R., another brain
dead troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

Because if they come here, they can\'t buy their lunch with what they
earn, but over there they are rich.

You should know this.

WTF has this sick shit got to do with the three ngs you keep crossposting it
to, you idiotic despicable senile spick?

 

[Max Demian]

On 22/02/2023 16:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 22/02/2023 14:43, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 08:00:33 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 00:42:13 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 20:37:43 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Rotary took fucking ages to dial long distance.  And a very long time
to dial the UK emergency 999.  Should have been 111.

That was designed to prevent cats from dialing the emergency services.
At least the US went for 911.

It would be very unlikely for a cat to happen to dial 1 repeatedly.

Never had a cat, did you?

 with tone dialling its a cinch

Do cats purr in DTMF?

--
Max Demian

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 06:21:36 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins\' endless absolutely idiotic
blather>

--
Another typical retarded conversation between our two village idiots,
Birdbrain and Rodent Speed:

Birdbrain: \"You beat me to it. Plain sex is boring.\"

Senile Rodent: \"Then fuck the cats. That wont be boring.\"

Birdbrain: \"Sell me a de-clawing tool first.\"

Senile Rodent: \"Wont help with the teeth.\"

Birdbrain: \"They\'ve never gone for me with their mouths.\"

Rodent Speed: \"They will if you are stupid enough to try fucking them.\"

Birdbrain: \"No, they always use claws.\"

Rodent Speed: \"They wont if you try fucking them. Try it and see.\"

Message-ID: <g3cjf7FavtgU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[charles]

In article <tsvh1c$nmp5$5@dont-email.me>,
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 19/02/2023 22:13, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-02-19, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 12:41:15 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

It is quite hard in the UK to get a mortgage on a 100% timber frame.

That would explain the Soviet style apartment blocks I see in British
films. Some attempt to dress up the poured concrete construction with
limited success.

The word you\'re looking for is brutalism. It was/is a style:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brutalist_architecture

Almost all new construction in this area is platform
framed wood construction, sheathed with OSB, wrapped in Tyvek, and some
sort of decorative siding applied. The exception is multistory commercial
buildings.

It\'s about how this country was settled: plenty of timber, no
restrictions on cutting it on your own property; easy for the
yeoman-farmer to build with, especially since there were all
those felled trees left from clearing the virgin forest.

It\'s not a bad material. The oldest surviving timber-frame house
in the U.S. was built in about 1640.

There\'s quite a few older than that in the UK.

Indeed, the \"Big House\" in our village has been found to be based on a
timber-framed structure from the 15th C. Timber is still there..

However the problem is that the statistics show that eventually nearly
all of them catch fire.

And there is nothing left to rebuild.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
\"I\'d rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom\" Thomas Carlyle

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 06:57:13 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins\' endless absolutely idiotic
blather>

--
Another typical retarded \"conversation\" between the two resident idiots:

Birdbrain: \"But imagine how cool it was to own slaves.\"

Senile Rodent: \"Yeah, right. Feed them, clothe them, and fix them when
they\'re broken.
After all, you paid good money for them. Then you\'ve got to keep an eye
on them all the time.\"

Birdbrain: \"Better than having to give them wages on top of that.\"

Senile Rodent: \"Specially when they make more slaves for you
and produce their own food and clothes.\"

MID: <fvlcdcFq2icU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[James]

On 20/02/2023 10:17, Don Y wrote:

On 2/20/2023 2:22 AM, James wrote:
On 19/02/2023 12:21, Don Y wrote:

And, what do they do when they
don\'t like what they see, return it?

Yes or not switch it on.

You buy things to *use* them, not worship them.

Not 100% of the time. If it is an old existing device stop using it
or replace.

And *you* get to make that decision for *me*? Wow, full
of yourself, eh?

I will quote your text from above \"when *they* don\'t like\". The
decision to not like was not made by me. I was answering the \"And, what
do they do when\". You don\'t have to follow my answer. Please, Don...

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 01:34:04 -0600, Jim Joyce <none@none.invalid>
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:27:02 +0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

English probably could do with a plural form of you; the
distinction between familiar and formal is less important.

I live in the American South. We have you, y\'all, and all y\'all, for
increasing levels of plural you.

I grew up in New Orleans, which is not really a southern city, just an
island of weirdness that happens to be in the south. The native accent
sounds Brooklyn. I got the perfectly neutral midwest NBC News
announcer accent.

But we did use y\'all. Guys would sometimes address other males as
\'cap\', short for captain I guess.

Where y\'at cap? is kind of a universal greeting, like aloha. The
proper response is where y\'at?

West of NOLA one hears the Cajun accent and occasionally the language.
East of NOLA starts to sound Mississippi. I don\'t know how they talk
in Baton Rouge; nobody goes to Baton Rouge.

We\'d drive to Destin weekends, where there is a nice soft southern
accent.

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 21:01:56 +0100, cretinous Carlos E.R., another brain
dead troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

Just how stupid are you?

Look on the mirror.

Answer the troll\'s question, you cretinous troll-feeding dumb spick!

 

[retired at home]

On 2/22/23 12:56 PM, Max Demian wrote:

On 22/02/2023 16:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/02/2023 14:43, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 08:00:33 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 00:42:13 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 20:37:43 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Rotary took fucking ages to dial long distance.  And a very long time
to dial the UK emergency 999.  Should have been 111.

That was designed to prevent cats from dialing the emergency services.
At least the US went for 911.

It would be very unlikely for a cat to happen to dial 1 repeatedly.

Never had a cat, did you?

  with tone dialling its a cinch

Do cats purr in DTMF?

911 can be a problem on a PBX with \"dial 9 for an outside line\". People
dial 9, then 1 to start a Long Distance call, somehow hit a second 1 and
there you go

Also police get \"butt-dialed\" 911 calls all the time from users who
don\'t lock their keypads