Very fast rise time generator...

[Rod Speed]

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote

to $3000, and some in the many billions.

The value of a human life.

I\'ve never heard of either of those extremes. I doubt anyone would
spend billions to save one life.

$3000 was estimated relative to a guard rail on a road in Louisiana.

That is too low. I\'d put the price more like $500K to $2M per person.

Can\'t see that an illegal is worth anything like $500K.

> Less for retards.

 

[Peeler]

On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 10:10:11 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 88-year-old senile Australian
cretin\'s pathological trolling:
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/rod-speed-faq.2973853/

 

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 2/22/2023 9:40 AM, rbowman wrote:

At least in the US the default is to dial 911. The pizza was cold when the
guy delivered it? Dial 911. Working in a PSAP (public-safety answering
point) is not a job I would want. Interspersed with calls from assholes,
you deal with violent crimes in process, mass casualty incidents, hostage
situations, and family members watching Pop die. You never know until you
pick up the damn phone.

I know someone that does just that. Some odd people calling for odd
things. Recent one was a woman calling from her apartment. This is at
4AM. \"There is a satellite dish on the roof and it is not needed.
Please send someone to take it down\"

 

[Carlos E. R.]

On 2023-02-15 15:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 13:54:41 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-11 13:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 12:03:39 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-11 10:34, Brian Gaff wrote:
I\'m sure the modern ones will work any way around you wanted. If you
don\'t
like it simply do a head stand before you change them.

My main question, however is why are some breakers so sensitive they
trip
more often than others?
  I think they are way too complex now with earth leakage as well as
just
looking for overloads.

Here all houses have mandatorily a whole house RCD. Since many years.

And if you don\'t have one you what?  Go to jail?

You do not get electricity.

Remind me never to live in that communist state.  It really is none of
anyone\'s business how safe you are.

Yes, it is.

It is not only about you, but any visitor, or anybody living in adjacent
houses.

Oh, and the code may go back to a right wing dictator. He hated
communists and killed them, by the many thousands.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

 

[Dan Purgert]

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At least we don\'t wire some of our sockets into wall light switches by
the door into a room, so those sockets can only be used for table lamps
etc; the wall switches are probably not rated for the full rating of a
120 V socket.

Standard wall-switch by the door will be rated for 15 or 20 amps (same
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[Peeler]

On 19 Feb 2023 23:10:20 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> You can always tell future Democrats.

You can always tell a Trumptard by his big mouth, bigmouth! ;-)

--
Yet more absolutely idiotic senile blather by lowbrowwoman:
\"I save my fries quota for one of the local food trucks that offers
poutine every now and then. If you\'re going for a coronary might as well
do it right.\"
MID: <ivdi4gF8btlU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Carlos E. R.]

On 2023-02-15 16:27, NY wrote:

On 15/02/2023 14:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 20:38:43 -0000, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid
wrote:

On 2/11/23 04:56, Ian Jackson wrote:

....

What about water taps? Most turn anticlockwise to unscrew the tap so as
to increase the pressure, but a few go the opposite way. And there seems
to be no consensus as to whether the cold or the hot tap should be on
the left: doesn\'t matter as long its separate taps with coloured
inserts, but some modern mixer taps, which rotate to vary temperature
and rock back and forth to vary water flow, have no indication as to
which way to rotate to get hot water - and sometimes you have to choose
a rotation arbitrarily and wait: if the water remains cold and never
runs warm after a while, try the other way

In Spain there are conventions on that. Hot is left. But German taps
(Grohe brand) assume hot is right. They all turn in the same direction,
although modern ones do not have any screw thread.

So when we installed a Grohe on the kitchen, we reversed the tubes. Hot
is left, but red colour.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

 

[Carlos E. R.]

On 2023-02-17 20:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 15:33:45 -0000, Carlos E. R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-15 15:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 13:54:41 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-11 13:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 12:03:39 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-11 10:34, Brian Gaff wrote:
I\'m sure the modern ones will work any way around you wanted. If you
don\'t
like it simply do a head stand before you change them.

My main question, however is why are some breakers so sensitive they
trip
more often than others?
  I think they are way too complex now with earth leakage as well as
just
looking for overloads.

Here all houses have mandatorily a whole house RCD. Since many years.

And if you don\'t have one you what?  Go to jail?

You do not get electricity.

Remind me never to live in that communist state.  It really is none of
anyone\'s business how safe you are.

Yes, it is.

It is not only about you, but any visitor, or anybody living in adjacent
houses.

Yes.... me getting an electric shock could hurt my next door neighbour.
Just how stupid are you?

Look on the mirror.

Oh, and the code may go back to a right wing dictator. He hated
communists and killed them, by the many thousands.

Do you mean Hitler?  Do you dare not speak his name?

nope, not him.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

 

[James]

On 19/02/2023 12:21, Don Y wrote:

And, what do they do when they
don\'t like what they see, return it?

Yes or not switch it on.

You buy things to *use* them, not worship them.

Not 100% of the time. If it is an old existing device stop using it or
replace.

Will you publish
a comprehensive catalog of every energy consuming device
with costs normalized so consumers can make informed choices?

The manufactures do on many items. Ovens included.

I have a dozen different external USB drives. Where is the
data that lets me decide how much each costs to operate?

On the manufacture\'s website, I expect.

How do I balance this against capacity (if I have to operate
TWO drives, what am I saving?), access times, reliability, etc?

A single consumer probably does not but for an OEM or data centre most
certainly will.

Energy costs are typically very low on the list of purchase
decisions, here, esp for electric-powered items (because
electric costs don\'t see sudden changes).

It has always been in the TCO. Energy costs *have* see sudden changes
for some and shifted the TCO sums.

Meanwhile, people will ignore issues that they don\'t consider as
important to their purchase and use decisions. And, they will be
empowered to do so by the lack of real-time, easy-to-review
data that they can factor into those decisions.

They could be \"empowered\" by running out of money and/or resources.

Is Joe Average (Joe Bloggs) going to be able to make informed
decisions regarding these things? Will he unnecessarily
inconvenience himself (reducing house temperature) for minimal
savings? Or, miss an opportunity to achieve greater savings
because he was unable to grok the consequences of a behavior?

...indeed, the world relies on the manufactures and legislation.

The US is an entirely different beast than the EU et al.
\"Freedom\" is largely interpreted as the freedom to \"do business\".

Freedom to pollute other people? The zeroth law of freedom should be
that it can\'t impinge on anyone else\'s freedom.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 07:49:09 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 14/02/2023 22:25, Carlos E.R. wrote:
For instance, the book I started learning English taught the expression
\"it is raining cats and dogs\". Most of the times I tried to use it,
nobody understood it and I had to explain ?

That is sadly, because most English people today are not taught English.
They can\'t pronounce it, spell it, or use correct grammar.

An educated Indian speaks better English.

Who defines a language, if not the people who use it?

 

[SteveW]

On 17/02/2023 19:25, micky wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:46:35 +0000, Ian Jackson
ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:

In message <2betbjxebg.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> writes




For instance, the book I started learning English taught the expression
\"it is raining cats and dogs\". Most of the times I tried to use it,
nobody understood it and I had to explain :-D

English (well, British English) is absolutely saturated with such
expressions, and this must mystify and confuse the benighted foreigner.

Plates of meat, that\'s your feet.
Trouble and strife, that\'s your wife.
There are more I can\'t recall now.

Cockney rhyming slang? Used by everyone? Certain groups?

Did I learn about this in My Fair Lady?

There are also a lot of phrases that come from the Royal Navy - square
meal (from the square wooden plates); between the devil and the deep
blue sea - the devil being the final plank of a deck, against the side
of the ship and the hardest to fit; the bitter end - the end of a rope
.... especially if you missed catching it as the rope went over the side;
and a whole lot more.

 

[James]

On 19/02/2023 12:30, Don Y wrote:

No but your answers here should understand the problems others are
facing. Quote: \'My comment (above) was with regard to the *increase*
in cost (from \"rate hikes\") as being relatively modest.\' They are not.

How much should I alter my behavior to reflect the conditions in
Ukraine, today?

Your behaviour should not be dismissive of others that may have
experienced tripled energy costs.

Should I be more *appreciative* of the fact
that I have lights and sanitation?

Probably yes. You are getting there.

A comment I hear from my right-wing friends is that the EU \"deserves\"
the (energy) problems they\'re facing because they cozied up to Russia,
(presumably for short-term savings at the expense of energy independence).
\"Why should *we* be shipping fuels to them and driving up domestic
prices? Shouldn\'t we try to capitalize on their dilemma? Isn\'t that
\'supply-and-demand\'? Maybe their markets will \'teach them\' that lesson...\"

A valid although incomplete view point but that is politics over which I
have minimal control. I can influence my energy bill by reducing
consumption. In a technical group it is valid to be interested in that
consumption. We do not need quips.

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 15 Feb 2023 12:54:12 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\"
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-15 07:58, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 14 Feb 2023 19:13:35 +0100, \"Carlos E. R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-14 18:55, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 10:48:29 +0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/02/2023 15:56, John Larkin wrote:
But I guess 240v is a lot nastier than 120, so more ground fault
sensing makes sense in europe.

It\'s a trade-off. More shocks with 240V; more fires with the higher
currents required at 120V.

Andy

If the breakers are sized for the wiring, there is no fire hazard
there. Romex doesn\'t get hot at rated current. Fires are started by
appliances like space heaters, which wouldn\'t be affected by the
voltage. Or overloaded extension cords, arguably a lesser hazard at
higher voltage.

Very old houses had knob-and-tube wiring with twisted junctions, in
walls and exposed in attics, and people tended to screw in bigger
glass fuses than the wire could handle. That was, sometimes still is,
a big fire hazard.


In my house, or rather my parent\'s house, fuses were just a strand of
wire wrapped around two metal screws or some metal something. When a
fuse blows, you just put another wire. It it blows again, they put two
strands. Next, they put three... you see the problem.

Of course you can use sealed fuses, or calibrated fuse wire (they sold
that in the UK). But it is just safer to use calibrated breakers which
\"blow\" and you just throw them back. Of course they can be intentionally
\"sabotaged\".

IN NYCity, my apartment building and I\'m sure most apartment buildings,
rentals in general, used Fustats. It\'s an insert that screws into the
original fuse holder (which I think used the same thread as a
lightbulb), but the inserts have a different pitch internal thread for
each amperage. So in the basement, I could only use one 20-amp Fustat,
and in my apartment, I could only use two 15-amp Fustats.

I have seen them.
I had no idea about the different threads.

Aren\'t they a bit expensive? Amazon doesn\'t help, because it wants to
ship to Spain before citing a price in those I find.

They certainly are now, Including for the USA.

Each old switch or socket in my house has one of these:

https://images.app.goo.gl/3wm7PoAi8p7HPDgU7

Here glass fuses like these are used in electronics. For AC they have
big brown cartridge fuses, almost as big as a cigar.

And the whole house had this:

https://images.app.goo.gl/3wm7PoAi8p7HPDgU7

YOu repeated the same link. Often in one, maybe all, of my computers,
ctrl-c woldn\'t work, even though C worked ant ctrl worked. I\'d use
ctrl-c but it didnt\' change what was in the clipboard.

In the site you can move to the inside photo:

https://es.wallapop.com/item/portafusibles-de-porcelana-con-fusible-doble-de-la-854489168

Did I mention that I can read Spanish. Esp. technical and scientfific
Spabish Those wires are the equivalent of putting a penny in the
fusebox. And btw, another big advantage of Fustats is that you can\'t
use a penny that way. The bottom has one connector, but the other one
is under the lip of the fustat and it conacts the top of the adapter.
The inside wall of the adapter is non-conductive.

Fustat was the first capital of Egypt under Muslim rule, and the
historical centre of modern Cairo -- oops, wrong link.

https://www.amazon.com/Bussmann-Fustat-Buss-Fuse-Pack/dp/B01DWBTZOA
$70 for 4?!. They weren\'t anywhere near this expensive in the 70\'s,
even allowing for 70\'s prices. They only sell this one size, which
seems to be 8 amps. What kind of a value is 8 amps? The ones that
never sold out?

Menards has Cooper Bussmann® Tamper-Proof Fustat Heavy Duty Plug Fuse
6.25 amps for $4.88 each. What kind of a value is 6.25 amps?

Maybe when multiplied by the voltage it gives a nice power figure.

No. I\'m sure now these are the ones that never got sold when they were
under production. The ones people bought were the same sizes as circuit
breakers are now 15, 20, 30, 40, 50?. There are no home circuits that
use 6.25. -- One page I saw still sold the adapters for 15, 20,30**.
Those have to be left-overs too. guess those **But not the fustats
that fit those adapters.

I think circuit breakers must have driven fustat out of business,
although I don\'t see how that can happen and what will all the buildings
that use them do. Not everyone is ready to put in breakers. Big
expense. (And the adapters are designed with barbs so they can\'t be
screwed out....

I panicked for nothing. When I googled Fustat I found very little but
when I googled Type-s fuse there is more:
https://www.amazon.com/Bussmann-S-15-Time-Delay-Dual-Element-Rejection/dp/B000BPIM7C
$16 for four. Besides Type-S, they are also called \"rejection base\",
maybe because of the different threads. This one:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002GD2BLU/ref=sspa_dk_detail_3 uses both
names, Bussman and Fustat. I don\'t understand why others don\'t use the
word Fustat.


BTW, I\'ve also seen for sale little circuit breakers that screw into the
socket meant for a fuse. They have a little reset button in the middle.
Because they seem uncommon, I\'ve always assumed thay weren\'t that good.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Cooper-Bussmann-15-Amp-Plug-Type-Circuit-Breaker-BP-MB-15/100348278
Also made by Cooper Bussmann.

I used to, had to power the whole 6-room apartments, including sometimes
the last couple years a small air conditioner, on 20 amps. Only blew
the fuse about 4 times.


My air conditioning unit is \"inverter\" type. Max power I think is
800Watts, not sure now. Say 1 KW. When the room has reached a stable
temp, it draws as little as 200 watts.

I\'ll hve to learn about inverters some time.

 

[Jim Joyce]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 16:44:51 +0100, \"Carlos E. R.\"
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-14 21:40, NY wrote:
On 14/02/2023 19:50, Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 06:10:59 +1100, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

...

Pronunciation is definitely weird. Cholmondley and Featherstoneshaugh
(Fanshaw) are beyond weird. Leicester, Gloucester, Bicester are weird
but it\'s an easy rule to learn - but as usual there are exceptions:
Cirencester is pronounced as-spelled (Siren-sess-ter) unlike all the
other -cesters. Then there are Chesham Bois and Theydon Bois where the
\"bois\" is clearly from the French for \"wood\", but it\'s pronounced \"boys\"
rather than \"bwa\" (the French way). Do other English-speaking countries
have their own place/people names that have non-intuitive pronunciations?

The word \"México\" would be pronounced different in Spain than in Mexico.
Spaniards would want to write it now as \"Méjico\". The problem is, the
pronunciation of the letter \"x\" evolved differently in Spain than in
central/south américa, and Mexicans insist we write it with \'x\' and
pronounce it \'j\'

I used to live in San Antonio, Texas, which is located in Bexar county.
Locals pronounce it <baer>, rhymes with bare and bear, so you can always
tell if a non-local is talking because they say the \'x\' sound and create
two syllables.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 19/02/2023 17:40, Dan Purgert wrote:

Steam locomotive drivers are sprung. It\'s just that the suspension is
inboard of the wheels (as opposed to freight cars and diesel locomotives
where the suspension is on the outside).

On many locos its on the outside

The issue is to arrange it so it doesn\'t foul the piston/connecting rods.

Some locos have internal cylinders to drive the axles.

Other arrangements are possible. I am not an anorak tho.

--
\"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him.\"

Jonathan Swift.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:27:09 +0000, Max Demian
<max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 15/02/2023 01:02, Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:36:31 +1100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 10:16:13 +1100, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 07:27:02 +1100, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

English probably could do with a plural form of you;

the distinction between familiar and formal is less important.

We do have one here, \'darl\', even when referring to a man.

dawlin

That\'s what ours is derived from.

and honey in the south, by salesgirls for example. That\'s sort
of nice.

That\'s a form of address, not the same as you. People might say, \"Can
you come here,\" but not \"Can darling come here.\"

(In Lancashire/Manchester shop girls call you \"luv\", which is a bit of a
degradation of meaning.)

Dawlin, comover here and I\'ll show you the crawfish.

Luv is nice too. Much better than Sir.

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 2:49:01 AM UTC-8, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:

a 100 W LED bulb only draws 12 watts. A 60 W LED bulb only draws 9 watts.
This is low enough that I keep the one in the bathroom turned on all the
time. The main switch is in an awkward location, and I hate having to search
for it in the dark.

Yeah, an LED bulb keeps me from stumbling around my basement,
and just plugs into the wall, no switch required.
As for the bathroom, I put a lighted switch in the hall outside, like this

<https://www.homedepot.com/p/Leviton-ProGrade-15-Amp-Lighted-Specialty-Switch-White-5501-LHW/100356850#overlay>

The old version was a mercury capsule switch with neon lamp, and there\'s
one of those in the garage. They last nearly forever, I suppose.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 19/02/2023 18:08, rbowman wrote:

On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 12:41:15 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

It is quite hard in the UK to get a mortgage on a 100% timber frame.

That would explain the Soviet style apartment blocks I see in British
films.

Socialism and central government always leads to the same sort of
brutalist architecture.

Square foot for square foot, the British high rise was the cheapest way
to house the wurkahs.


Some attempt to dress up the poured concrete construction with

limited success. Almost all new construction in this area is platform
framed wood construction, sheathed with OSB, wrapped in Tyvek, and some
sort of decorative siding applied. The exception is multistory commercial
buildings.

Dressing costs money. Space is limited.

USA has lots of space and lots of trees, Chalet style ranch houses work,
and if they are too hot throw in energy guzzling Aircon.

The spanish/mediterranean style houses built of brick stone and concrete
with massively thick rooves, tiled floors and overhanging eaves are the
most energy efficient way to live in temperatures over 30°C as the
Romans and the Moors discovered.

At night airflow cools the masonry, and by day the masonry cools the airflow

Solar gain at high sun angles is reduced.

--
\"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight
and understanding\".

Marshall McLuhan

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 22/02/2023 14:41, rbowman wrote:
> All them numbers is just white supremacy.

Precisely so.


--
“The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to
fill the world with fools.”

Herbert Spencer

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 01:34:04 -0600, Jim Joyce wrote:

On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:27:02 +0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

English probably could do with a plural form of you; the distinction
between familiar and formal is less important.

I live in the American South. We have you, y\'all, and all y\'all, for
increasing levels of plural you.

Youse.