USB TV Tuner

[Petzl]

On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 17:57:01 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

The picture was very clear almost 3D effect

I don't mean that. Most digital TV devices display a bar and
number for both signal level and signal quality, so two bars.
Some just label them signal and quality.

Can only measure strength with TV for each channel frequency.
TV also gives the frequency range.
Don't have anything for determining quality or even know of one

That's unusual with digital TV.

Is that another Aldi Medion ?

Not seen this on my big screen Analogue/Digital LED Samsung, LCD
Kogan, LCD Sanyo (a month old)? All just show a signal strength only
but tune in specifically to each channel

 

[kreed]

On Apr 28, 3:23 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:

Pretzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
is why does everything work perfectly for three years.
Then just goes off (the Antenna hasn't moved)
Because it was very marginal for the 7 mux and
you didn't even notice until it dropped out.
Do you know how to see what signal level and
signal quality you are getting with each mux ?
Each TV  station on my TV shows signal strength (mux) all in Digital
were showing 80% (red,orange,green bars) 7 was more than ˝ way in
green zone. Then nothing.

What about the signal quality.

Have been considering a new Aerial
It may be that the 7 mux is pretty marginal
at your place regardless of antenna.
That might be fixed by a better antenna
or even just by pointing it better.
The Antenna is old but I can't work out why signal
strength disappeared completely like it was turned off.

It may be they changed the transmitter producing that mux.

Suggests something blocking it?

That's possible. You can get the effect of a trap at that frequency with a
fault.

Did your neighbours lose the 7 mux when you did ?

Yet I have clear line of site to Centrepoint. I rarely watch 7 group
at any rate so not motivated in doing anything right now.

What little I do watch of the commercial channels I do normally watch that
more the 9 and more than 10 in spades. I watch fuck all on the 10 group.

I'm waiting for the NBN to hook up

Taint gunna happen for you, like I said. They only have 15 months
and are rolling out sweet fuck all at the moment because they are
waiting for the agreement with Telstra to get signed and approved
by the ACCC so they can do it cheaper. You aint gunna get it, you watch.

and get PROPER TV from USA

That is a bit of an oxymoron isnt it ?

Unless you are talking old stuff from there, or there is decent stuff
that they produce that is NEVER seen or heard of in AU ?

You will find that this expensive white elephant will die with the
Gillard Gov, and at its latest that will be next year, hopefully
sooner. I wish that the election would be now, so we could get it
over and done with

Yes, that would happen if it ever did happen. But it wont.

and it's cheap.

That wont happen. And all you would have got is whats on PayTV right now.

 

[Rod Speed]

kreed <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
Pretzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote

is why does everything work perfectly for three years.
Then just goes off (the Antenna hasn't moved)
Because it was very marginal for the 7 mux and
you didn't even notice until it dropped out.
Do you know how to see what signal level and
signal quality you are getting with each mux ?

Each TV station on my TV shows signal strength (mux)
all in Digital were showing 80% (red,orange,green bars)
7 was more than ˝ way in green zone. Then nothing.

What about the signal quality.

Have been considering a new Aerial

It may be that the 7 mux is pretty marginal
at your place regardless of antenna.
That might be fixed by a better antenna
or even just by pointing it better.

The Antenna is old but I can't work out why signal
strength disappeared completely like it was turned off.

It may be they changed the transmitter producing that mux.

Suggests something blocking it?

That's possible. You can get the effect of a trap at that frequency with
a fault.

Did your neighbours lose the 7 mux when you did ?

Yet I have clear line of site to Centrepoint. I rarely watch 7 group
at any rate so not motivated in doing anything right now.

What little I do watch of the commercial channels I do normally watch
that
more the 9 and more than 10 in spades. I watch fuck all on the 10 group.

I'm waiting for the NBN to hook up

Taint gunna happen for you, like I said. They only have 15 months
and are rolling out sweet fuck all at the moment because they are
waiting for the agreement with Telstra to get signed and approved
by the ACCC so they can do it cheaper. You aint gunna get it, you watch.

and get PROPER TV from USA

That is a bit of an oxymoron isnt it ?

Nope. I used to think that, then Ken Burn's magnificant docos
showed up. The US Civil War etc. And later The Wire etc too. Quite
a few of the 'American Experience' series are worth watching too.

Unless you are talking old stuff from there,

Nope.

or there is decent stuff that they produce
that is NEVER seen or heard of in AU ?

Some of its like that, but the best of it has been.

You will find that this expensive white elephant
will die with the Gillard Gov, and at its latest
that will be next year, hopefully sooner.

Gunna be interesting to see how long she lasts.

I wish that the election would be now,
so we could get it over and done with

Yeah, but its obvious why the independants don't want that.

Most of them will be flushed where they belong and the
others like Windsor will be completely irrelevant after that.

It will be fascinating to see what the voters do to the Greens too.

Yes, that would happen if it ever did happen. But it wont.

and it's cheap.

That wont happen. And all you would have got is whats on PayTV right now.

 

[Petzl]

On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 15:45:45 -0700 (PDT), kreed
<kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote:

and get PROPER TV from USA


That is a bit of an oxymoron isnt it ?

Unless you are talking old stuff from there, or there is decent stuff
that they produce that is NEVER seen or heard of in AU ?

You will find that this expensive white elephant will die with the
Gillard Gov, and at its latest that will be next year, hopefully
sooner. I wish that the election would be now, so we could get it
over and done with

You seen Titus?
http://tinyurl.com/b4rn92
More of a NBN stir, a big threat with the TV is many will sign up for
US$10 a month accounts as opposed to $100 a month Australian one
meaning advertisement revenue lost News media are likely to lose their
influence also

I believe the government has already discounted the Murdoch press from
using it? This will be the domain of the ABC.
The trend for media is Newspapers are dying. Statistics will show free
TV diminishing as will cable/satellite with ones "smart TV" filling
all gaps (TV's will all become permanently hooked up to Internet) as
will phones. Shopping online will be instant the "ring now" replaced
with "click here".

No one accurately knows where the NBN will take us. Just like
opponents to electricity being supplied house to house in Sydney
(1904).

As for the NBN being or becoming a "White Elephant" best advice the
government is listening to says otherwise. Remember there will be *no
copperwire* or telephone exchanges under the "NBN". So you have no
choice but to be assimilated

Don't know where you or Abbott get their "advice" from?
But it is already a very political issue in my Liberal seat of
Macarthur by those missing out in the first round of NBN connections.

Doubt if it is in economic/political interest to now stop replacing
obsolete copperwire. No new suburbs are connected with it all fibre.
Exchanges that handle coppwire have been obsolete for years now.
--
Petzl

 

[Rod Speed]

Pretzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

kreed <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote
Pretzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

and get PROPER TV from USA

That is a bit of an oxymoron isnt it ?

Unless you are talking old stuff from there, or there is decent
stuff that they produce that is NEVER seen or heard of in AU ?

You will find that this expensive white elephant will die
with theGillard Gov, and at its latest that will be next year,
hopefully sooner. I wish that the election would be now,
so we could get it over and done with

You seen Titus?
http://tinyurl.com/b4rn92

More of a NBN stir, a big threat with the TV is many will sign up for
US$10 a month accounts as opposed to $100 a month Australian one

Taint gunna happen, because the NBN aint gunna happen.

meaning advertisement revenue lost

Stiff shit for them.

News media are likely to lose their influence also

Not a chance. Fuck all would be happy with foreign news.

A few do prefer the BBC already, but its riddled with ads and wont
even let you watch most stuff outside britain except with news.

I believe the government has already discounted the Murdoch press from
using it?

Nope, that's a lie.

This will be the domain of the ABC.

Fantasy. Its already the domain of all the commercial channels,
and the ABC and SBS.

The trend for media is Newspapers are dying.

And it remains to be seen if they can reconfigure so that
they can coexist with the net. Bet the best of them can.
Who gives a shit about the rest ?

Statistics will show free TV diminishing

Nope, not now we have seen the number off channels 4 times what it was.

as will cable/satellite

Bet that doesn't happen either. The most we would see is the NBN used
to distribute it if it wasn't for the fact that the NBN wont even happen.

with ones "smart TV" filling all gaps

It doesn't come even close to what you can get free to air TV and PayTV.

(TV's will all become permanently hooked up to Internet)

Nope, plenty wont bother because their free to air TV provides enough for
them.

as will phones.

Even sillier. Hordes wont bother with the net and will just
use them to make and receive calls. And those that are
connected to the net have nothing to with the NBN anyway.

Shopping online will be instant the "ring now" replaced with "click here".

THere will still be plenty that want to look at stuff before they
buy it and want it right away, at the store they can drive to.

No one accurately knows where the NBN will take us.

Yes we do, nowhere, because it aint gunna happen, you watch.

Just like opponents to electricity being supplied house to house in Sydney
(1904).

Nothing like in fact. That didn't have another form of
electricity available to almost everyone who wanted it.

As for the NBN being or becoming a "White Elephant"
best advice the government is listening to says otherwise.

Irrelevant, that govt cant possibly last more than 15 months.

Remember there will be *no copperwire*
or telephone exchanges under the "NBN".

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys.

In fact its replaced ABSOLUTELY NO copper what so ever yet and it
will have replaced sweet fuck all by the time the plug is pulled on it.

So you have no choice but to be assimilated

Even sillier. Even if the NBN did happen, and it cant,
you are welcome to go make an obscene gesture in
their general direction and go wireless any time you like.

Plenty have already done that and done even use any
copper at all anymore except for charging their phone.

Don't know where you or Abbott get their "advice" from?

Doesn't matter, the plug is going to be pulled on the NBN anyway.

Likely Abbott gets his from Turdbull.

But it is already a very political issue in my Liberal seat of Macarthur
by those missing out in the first round of NBN connections.

They have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
irrelevant.

And sweet fuck all in your Liberal seat of Macarthur will have the
NBN by the time the plug is pulled on it anyway, so they can stamp
their tiny foot till it falls off if they like, they aint gunna get it.

Doubt if it is in economic/political interest
to now stop replacing obsolete copperwire.

Not one shred of copper wire has been replaced by the NBN.

No new suburbs are connected with it all fibre.

Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.

Exchanges that handle coppwire have been obsolete for years now.

Another bare faced pig ignorant lie. They ALL handle fiber fine.

 

[Rod Speed]

kreed <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote

Pretzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
kreed <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote

and get PROPER TV from USA

That is a bit of an oxymoron isnt it ?

Unless you are talking old stuff from there, or there is decent
stuff that they produce that is NEVER seen or heard of in AU ?

You will find that this expensive white elephant will
die with the Gillard Gov, and at its latest that will be
next year, hopefully sooner. I wish that the election
would be now, so we could get it over and done with

You seen Titus?http://tinyurl.com/b4rn92

Never saw or heard of it, but can download it it seems
http://www.btmon.com/torrent/?f=titus

More of a NBN stir, a big threat with the TV is many will sign up for
US$10 a month accounts as opposed to $100 a month Australian one
meaning advertisement revenue lost News media are likely to lose their
influence also

I believe the government has already discounted the Murdoch press from
using it? This will be the domain of the ABC.

The trend for media is Newspapers are dying. Statistics will show free
TV diminishing as will cable/satellite with ones "smart TV" filling
all gaps (TV's will all become permanently hooked up to Internet) as
will phones. Shopping online will be instant the "ring now" replaced
with "click here".

Good.

Taint gunna happen.

News media have not looked after our interests for a long long time

Corse they have with the best of it like the ABC.

and have become basically government and corporate mouthpieces,

Even sillier. If they were either, we wouldn't have seen the expose
of what happened in abattoirs in Indonesia for starters.

I would not miss it much if the mainstream media was gone tomorrow.

More fool you.

Television news and current affairs are
old hat with us now having the internet.

Fantasy.

TV you cannot skip news items you have no interest in,

You can with a decent system for watching it.

there are actually very few stories in the time the
news is on once you take out the obvious advertising,
the "advertising pretending to be news" like stories
about a new movie release, new IPOD etc

Even sillier with the ABC.

and rubbish like sport.

No one is holding a gun to your head and is forcing you to watch
what you arent interested in. If someone is doing that, call the cops.

Finally the biggie is that you cannot leave comments or
have a discussion forum with TV like you can on the net.

But the best of those are done by the operation producing the news programs.

No one accurately knows where the NBN will take us. Just like opponents
to electricity being supplied house to house in Sydney (1904).

That is different, there wasn't electricity before then.

There often was actually, particularly outside the city.

Currently the majority of Australians have at least 8MB
ADSL 1, and usually ADSL 2 also this is more than adequate.
The copper phone service and VOIP via internet is adequate too.

I would agree that money should be spent on ensuring that
all in Australia have access to ADSL that currently don't,

Makes no sense with the most remote, satellite is much more
viable for those.

and all new areas be wired with fibre,

No thanks. The cost of blocks of land is already obscenely silly.

or fibre to the pits for areas too far from the exchange

All new subdivisions have been RIMs or CMUXes for a long time now.

Would cost a hell of a lot less.

As for the cost, take the amount that it will cost to implement
this NBN, and then divide it by the number of households in AU.
The result IIRC is $4000+ per home

Yeah, completely mad.

This will probably be borrowed over 20 years
from the banksters that control our government,

Like hell they do.

and we will be stiffed with the interest on this for a generation.

Even sillier, the govt pays fuck all interest rate.

All this for something that isnt needed for a more than adequate service
that the majority of AU homes and businesses have access to anyway

As for the NBN being or becoming a "White Elephant" best advice the
government is listening to says otherwise. Remember there will be *no
copperwire* or telephone exchanges under the "NBN". So you have no
choice but to be assimilated

Anything that the current government says, you should go to the
opposite view I have never in my life seen such a useless waste of
skin as this lot.

They'll only be around for another 15 months at most.

Nothing they have done has been a success, and has just left us with debt.

Not much debt tho.

Don't know where you or Abbott get their "advice" from?
But it is already a very political issue in my Liberal seat of
Macarthur by those missing out in the first round of NBN connections.

Doubt if it is in economic/political interest to now stop replacing
obsolete copperwire. No new suburbs are connected with it all fibre.
Exchanges that handle coppwire have been obsolete for years now.

 

[Rod Speed]

kreed <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
kreed <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
Pretzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote

What little I do watch of the commercial channels I do normally watch
that
more the 9 and more than 10 in spades. I watch fuck all on the 10
group.

I'm waiting for the NBN to hook up

Taint gunna happen for you, like I said. They only have 15 months
and are rolling out sweet fuck all at the moment because they are
waiting for the agreement with Telstra to get signed and approved
by the ACCC so they can do it cheaper. You aint gunna get it, you
watch.

and get PROPER TV from USA

That is a bit of an oxymoron isnt it ?

Nope. I used to think that, then Ken Burn's magnificant docos
showed up. The US Civil War etc. And later The Wire etc too. Quite
a few of the 'American Experience' series are worth watching too.

Unless you are talking old stuff from there,

Nope.

or there is decent stuff that they produce
that is NEVER seen or heard of in AU ?

Some of its like that, but the best of it has been.

You will find that this expensive white elephant
will die with the Gillard Gov, and at its latest
that will be next year, hopefully sooner.

Gunna be interesting to see how long she lasts.

I wish that the election would be now,
so we could get it over and done with

Yeah, but its obvious why the independants don't want that.

Yes, anyone involved with Gillard and the ALP will be gone

Bet Windsor and Katter will survive. Wilke likely will too.

They know it and want to hang onto the perks for as long as possible.

They certainly want to hang on to the power they currently have for as long
as possible.

Be a long time before they see any again, unless they are very young.

I doubt they will even if they are and none of them are.

Most of them will be flushed where they belong and the
others like Windsor will be completely irrelevant after that.

It will be fascinating to see what the voters do to the Greens too.

Oh yes, Im looking forward to that even more.

Bet that's the reason the brown turd bailed out, he's not stupid.

These scum are even worse than the ALP.

Yep.

We need a result similar to QLD for this government.

And NSW too. And we'll get it, you watch.

Yes, that would happen if it ever did happen. But it wont.
and it's cheap.

That wont happen. And all you would have got is whats on PayTV right
now.

Don't know about the capitals where there might be better deals,
but in regional areas about the only places you see lots of
PAY TV dishes or antennas is in housing commission areas.

That's not true in my regional area.

Makes sense really as those who are working would working so bloody
hard to pay their bills and pay down debt while they still have a job,

Plenty arent, most obviously those who own their own homes.

probably don't have time to watch TV anyway,

Almost everyone does.

and certainly less and less have money to spend on such luxuries.

That's not true either. They've been spending heaps on TVs etc.

 

[Petzl]

On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:58:23 -0700 (PDT), kreed
<kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote:

I wish that the election would be now,
so we could get it over and done with

Yeah, but its obvious why the independants don't want that.

Yes, anyone involved with Gillard and the ALP will be gone
They know it and want to hang onto the perks for as long as possible.
Be a long time before they see any again, unless they are very young.

Most of them will be flushed where they belong and the
others like Windsor will be completely irrelevant after that.

It will be fascinating to see what the voters do to the Greens too.

Oh yes, Im looking forward to that even more. These scum are
even worse than the ALP. We need a result similar to QLD
for this government.

You probably will get what you wish for.

But is Abbott what you wish for?

Yes, that would happen if it ever did happen. But it wont.
and it's cheap.
That wont happen. And all you would have got is whats on PayTV right now.

Don't know about the capitals where there might be better deals, but
in regional areas about the only places you see lots of
PAY TV dishes or antennas is in housing commission areas. Makes
sense really as those who are working would working so bloody hard to
pay
their bills and pay down debt while they still have a job,
probably don't have time to watch TV anyway, and certainly less and
less have money to spend on such luxuries.

Again if you are in shit street living in a housing comission area on
real shit wages (families of these people do assist).
TV is the least cost for entertainment.
Try living on a dole income.
Joe Hockey thinks like you
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news-old/joe-hockey-questions-ndis-funding/story-fn3dxiwe-1226342876031
< http://tinyurl.com/cqssu46 >
The NBN will be even cheaper and creat jobs
--
Petzl

 

[Petzl]

On Tue, 1 May 2012 15:56:00 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

and have become basically government and corporate mouthpieces,

Even sillier. If they were either, we wouldn't have seen the expose
of what happened in abattoirs in Indonesia for starters.

But a lot is paid for comment.
We are getting the government big business is paying for "us" to vote
for. Has happened with both sides of the house with media backing one
or the other
Look how right Rudd was on the "Superprofits tax"
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-01/mining-tax-makes-good-sense/3981624
< http://tinyurl.com/co7lrdu >
Not that many listen to the ABC though (although I like ABC channel 24
my main station)
--
Petzl

 

[kreed]

On Apr 30, 12:28 pm, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 15:45:45 -0700 (PDT), kreed

kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote:

and get PROPER TV from USA

That is a bit of an oxymoron isnt it ?

Unless you are talking old stuff from there, or there is decent stuff
that they produce that is NEVER seen or heard of in AU ?

You will find that this expensive white elephant will die with the
Gillard Gov, and at its latest that will be next year, hopefully
sooner.  I wish that the election would be now, so we could get it
over and done with

You seen Titus?http://tinyurl.com/b4rn92

Never saw or heard of it, but can download it it seems
http://www.btmon.com/torrent/?f=titus

More of a NBN stir, a big threat with the TV is many will sign up for
US$10 a month accounts as opposed to $100 a month Australian one
meaning advertisement revenue lost News media are likely to lose their
influence also

I believe the government has already discounted the Murdoch press from
using it? This will be the domain of the ABC.
The trend for media is Newspapers are dying. Statistics will show free
TV diminishing as will cable/satellite with ones "smart TV" filling
all gaps (TV's will all become permanently hooked up to Internet) as
will phones. Shopping online will be instant the "ring now" replaced
with "click here".

..
Good. News media have not looked after our interests for a long long
time and
have become basically government and corporate mouthpieces, I would
not miss it much if the mainstream media was gone tomorrow.

Television news and current affairs are old hat with us now having
the
internet. TV you cannot skip news items you have no interest in,
there are actually very few stories in the time the news is on once
you
take out the obvious advertising, the "advertising pretending to be
news" like stories
about a new movie release, new IPOD etc and rubbish like sport.

Finally the biggie is that you cannot leave comments or have a
discussion
forum with TV like you can on the net.

No one accurately knows where the NBN will take us. Just like
opponents to electricity being supplied house to house in Sydney
(1904).

That is different, there wasn't electricity before then. Currently
the
majority of Australians have at least 8MB ADSL 1, and usually ADSL 2
also
this is more than adequate. The copper phone service and VOIP via
internet is adequate too.

I would agree that money should be spent on ensuring that all in
Australia
have access to ADSL that currently don't, and all new areas be wired
with
fibre, or fibre to the pits for areas too far from the exchange
Would cost a hell of a lot less.

As for the cost, take the amount that it will cost to implement this
NBN, and
then divide it by the number of households in AU. The result IIRC is
$4000+ per home
This will probably be borrowed over 20 years from the banksters that
control
our government, and we will be stiffed with the interest on this for a
generation.

All this for something that isnt needed for a more than adequate
service
that the majority of AU homes and businesses have access to anyway

As for the NBN being or becoming a "White Elephant" best advice the
government is listening to says otherwise. Remember there will be *no
copperwire* or telephone exchanges under the "NBN". So you have no
choice but to be assimilated

Anything that the current government says, you should go to the
opposite view
I have never in my life seen such a useless waste of skin as this lot.
Nothing
they have done has been a success, and has just left us with debt.

Don't know where you or Abbott get their "advice" from?
But it is already a very political issue in my Liberal seat of
Macarthur by those missing out in the first round of NBN connections.

Doubt if it is in economic/political interest to now stop replacing
obsolete copperwire. No new suburbs are connected with it all fibre.
Exchanges that handle coppwire have been obsolete for years now.
--

> Petzl

 

[kreed]

On Apr 30, 11:38 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:

kreed <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote









Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
Pretzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
is why does everything work perfectly for three years.
Then just goes off (the Antenna hasn't moved)
Because it was very marginal for the 7 mux and
you didn't even notice until it dropped out.
Do you know how to see what signal level and
signal quality you are getting with each mux ?
Each TV  station on my TV shows signal strength (mux)
all in Digital were showing 80% (red,orange,green bars)
7 was more than ˝ way in green zone. Then nothing.
What about the signal quality.
Have been considering a new Aerial
It may be that the 7 mux is pretty marginal
at your place regardless of antenna.
That might be fixed by a better antenna
or even just by pointing it better.
The Antenna is old but I can't work out why signal
strength disappeared completely like it was turned off.
It may be they changed the transmitter producing that mux.
Suggests something blocking it?
That's possible. You can get the effect of a trap at that frequency with
a fault.
Did your neighbours lose the 7 mux when you did ?
Yet I have clear line of site to Centrepoint. I rarely watch 7 group
at any rate so not motivated in doing anything right now.
What little I do watch of the commercial channels I do normally watch
that
more the 9 and more than 10 in spades. I watch fuck all on the 10 group.
I'm waiting for the NBN to hook up
Taint gunna happen for you, like I said. They only have 15 months
and are rolling out sweet fuck all at the moment because they are
waiting for the agreement with Telstra to get signed and approved
by the ACCC so they can do it cheaper. You aint gunna get it, you watch.
and get PROPER TV from USA
That is a bit of an oxymoron isnt it ?

Nope. I used to think that, then Ken Burn's magnificant docos
showed up. The US Civil War etc. And later The Wire etc too. Quite
a few of the 'American Experience' series are worth watching too.

Unless you are talking old stuff from there,

Nope.

or there is decent stuff that they produce
that is NEVER seen or heard of in AU ?

Some of its like that, but the best of it has been.

You will find that this expensive white elephant
will die with the Gillard Gov, and at its latest
that will be next year, hopefully sooner.

Gunna be interesting to see how long she lasts.

I wish that the election would be now,
so we could get it over and done with

Yeah, but its obvious why the independants don't want that.

Yes, anyone involved with Gillard and the ALP will be gone
They know it and want to hang onto the perks for as long as possible.
Be a long time before they see any again, unless they are very young.

Most of them will be flushed where they belong and the
others like Windsor will be completely irrelevant after that.

It will be fascinating to see what the voters do to the Greens too.

Oh yes, Im looking forward to that even more. These scum are

even worse than the ALP. We need a result similar to QLD
for this government.

Yes, that would happen if it ever did happen. But it wont.
and it's cheap.
That wont happen. And all you would have got is whats on PayTV right now.

Don't know about the capitals where there might be better deals, but
in regional areas about the only places you see lots of
PAY TV dishes or antennas is in housing commission areas. Makes
sense really as those who are working would working so bloody hard to
pay
their bills and pay down debt while they still have a job,
probably don't have time to watch TV anyway, and certainly less and
less have money to spend on such luxuries.

 

[Petzl]

On Tue, 1 May 2012 06:04:55 -0700 (PDT), kreed <kenreed1999@gmail.com>
wrote:

But a lot is paid for comment.
We are getting the government big business is paying for "us" to vote
for. Has happened with both sides of the house with media backing one
or the other
Look how right Rudd was on the "Superprofits tax"
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-01/mining-tax-makes-good-sense/398...
 http://tinyurl.com/co7lrdu 
Not that many listen to the ABC though (although I like ABC channel 24
my main station)

Agree on that - except the ABC constantly pushing the man made global
warming fraud, (and seems it is still pushing it)
long after it had been exposed as a fraud, has finished them for me as
a credible source of anything scientific, political
or news info.

For some time before the 2007 election and some time after they were
basically an ALP and green mouthpiece, were not
impartial at all.

I think you and I are on the same track except on the NBN. Which I see
as a very big plus for Australia.

Problem is we don't have a leader. Gillard is a puppet being run by
some shady "back room boys" operation, voters have no say in who is in
control of a Labor government . The "carbon tax" was an initiation of
the "Greens" which shows Gillard has no negotiating skills (The Greens
won't vote with Abbott) No other country has it, this is a bad mistake

With the Liberals you are voting for someone who *is* in control of
his team. Trouble is you will get Abbott who is negative and not been
convincing of what he would do different. It tells me he knows nothing
about High Speed broadband or how to provide it.
Economically Abbott nor Hockey are showing even a slight clue.

With the Greens you get "Christine Milne" they are showing
surprisingly a lot of economic sense.They are showing respect for
their Leader. My problem with them is they seem to preoccupied with
gay and lesbian issues and not being practical on environmental issues
--
Petzl

 

[kreed]

On May 1, 4:13 pm, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:58:23 -0700 (PDT), kreed









kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote:
I wish that the election would be now,
so we could get it over and done with

Yeah, but its obvious why the independants don't want that.

Yes, anyone involved with Gillard and the ALP will be gone
They know it and want to hang onto the perks for as long as possible.
Be a long time before they see any again, unless they are very young.

Most of them will be flushed where they belong and the
others like Windsor will be completely irrelevant after that.

It will be fascinating to see what the voters do to the Greens too.

Oh yes, Im looking forward to that even more. These scum are
even worse than the ALP.  We need a result similar to QLD
for this government.

You probably will get what you wish for.
But is Abbott what you wish for?

Yes, that would happen if it ever did happen. But it wont.
and it's cheap.
That wont happen. And all you would have got is whats on PayTV right now.

Don't know about the capitals where there might be better deals, but
in regional areas about the only places you see lots of
PAY TV dishes or antennas is in housing commission areas.  Makes
sense really as those who are working would working so bloody hard to
pay
their bills and pay down debt while they still have a job,
probably don't have time to watch TV anyway, and certainly less and
less have money to spend on such luxuries.

Again if you are in shit street living in a housing comission area on
real shit wages (families of these people do assist).
TV is the least cost for entertainment.
Try living on a dole income.
Joe Hockey thinks like youhttp://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news-old/joe-hockey-que...
http://tinyurl.com/cqssu46
The NBN will be even cheaper and creat jobs
--
Petzl

What on earth has Hockey got to do with this ? Out of interest, being
generous, according to these figures
that means that if 50% of the population is employed ,(excluding
children, the elderly and disabled) they will be each paying $800 pa
towards this scheme.
Sorry - that's getting a bit high for me - on top of all the other
stuff we have to pay for.


As for jobs
If we hadn't had both parties for the last 40 + going under orders
from their bankster and corporate owners selling
out our industries and services overseas, we would have still had a
lot of industry here, and therefore jobs.
Those who are left working wouldn't be constantly shafted with paying
the welfare and baby breeding bills either.

I don't buy the "create jobs" line anymore. I have heard it over and
over since the late 1970's when the unemployment
problem first started to hit the news, and except for the duration of
the early-mid 2000's credit bubble housing
fuelled boom, have never seen the real unemployment rate drop
significantly for any length of time

You can be assured that almost all the equipment for the NBN will be
made offshore so basically no jobs there,
There will be jobs for installation, and delivery of the equipment but
these don't really count, as they will only be
short term until the installs are complete.

As for ongoing maintenance that is likely to be similar cost and
employment levels to the current system.

 

[kreed]

On May 1, 4:23 pm, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 1 May 2012 15:56:00 +1000, "Rod Speed"

rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
and have become basically government and corporate mouthpieces,

Even sillier. If they were either, we wouldn't have seen the expose
of what happened in abattoirs in Indonesia for starters.

that was simply an agenda to help destroy small producers, who the big

guys
can then buy up for a song. Small Farmers have been the prime target
of hate by the gov
for a long long time. Cant have a public having food independence
from corporation or gov.

But a lot is paid for comment.
We are getting the government big business is paying for "us" to vote
for. Has happened with both sides of the house with media backing one
or the other
Look how right Rudd was on the "Superprofits tax"http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-01/mining-tax-makes-good-sense/398...
 http://tinyurl.com/co7lrdu 
Not that many listen to the ABC though (although I like ABC channel 24
my main station)
--
Petzl

Agree on that - except the ABC constantly pushing the man made global
warming fraud, (and seems it is still pushing it)
long after it had been exposed as a fraud, has finished them for me as
a credible source of anything scientific, political
or news info.

For some time before the 2007 election and some time after they were
basically an ALP and green mouthpiece, were not
impartial at all.

 

[Rod Speed]

Pretzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

kreed<kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote

I wish that the election would be now,
so we could get it over and done with

Yeah, but its obvious why the independants don't want that.

Yes, anyone involved with Gillard and the ALP will be gone
They know it and want to hang onto the perks for as long as possible.
Be a long time before they see any again, unless they are very young.

Most of them will be flushed where they belong and the
others like Windsor will be completely irrelevant after that.

It will be fascinating to see what the voters do to the Greens too.

Oh yes, Im looking forward to that even more.
These scum are even worse than the ALP. We
need a result similar to QLD for this government.

You probably will get what you wish for.

Absolutely certainly will with the vote TWICE what it is for Labor.

But is Abbott what you wish for?

Leaves Juliar for dead. At least there
will be no carbon tax and no NBN either.

No greens either, you watch.

Yes, that would happen if it ever did happen. But it wont.

and it's cheap.

That wont happen. And all you would have got is whats on PayTV right
now.

Don't know about the capitals where there might be better deals, but
in regional areas about the only places you see lots of
PAY TV dishes or antennas is in housing commission areas. Makes
sense really as those who are working would working so bloody
hard to pay their bills and pay down debt while they still have a job,

probably don't have time to watch TV anyway, and certainly
less and less have money to spend on such luxuries.

Again if you are in shit street living in a housing comission
area on real shit wages (families of these people do assist).
TV is the least cost for entertainment.

Street riots cost even less.

Try living on a dole income.

Not once the govt changes, they'll be out on their lard arses.

Joe Hockey thinks like you
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news-old/joe-hockey-questions-ndis-funding/story-fn3dxiwe-1226342876031
http://tinyurl.com/cqssu46

Great, those bums get more than those on the dole anyway.

The NBN will be even cheaper

Yep, because they will pull the plug on it first chance they get.

and creat jobs

Fantasy.

 

[Rod Speed]

Pretzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

and have become basically government and corporate mouthpieces,

Even sillier. If they were either, we wouldn't have seen the
expose of what happened in abattoirs in Indonesia for starters.

But a lot is paid for comment.

Not on the ABC it aint.

We are getting the government big business is paying for "us" to vote for.

Just other other pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.

Has happened with both sides of the house
with media backing one or the other

The media is completely irrelevant to who gets to govern.

That should be obvious with the NSW and QLD elections.

And will be with the next federal election in spades,
essentially because almost all of the voters believe
that what they are paying for electricity is due to the
stupid carbon tax.

Look how right Rudd was on the "Superprofits tax"
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-01/mining-tax-makes-good-sense/3981624
http://tinyurl.com/co7lrdu

He is completely irrelevant.

He's so stupid he couldn't even manage to
work out how to stay PM for even just one term.

Even Witless managed to do that.

Not that many listen to the ABC though

They didn't need to once the shit had hit the fan about the abottoirs in
Indonesia.

(although I like ABC channel 24 my main station)

FAR too much repetition.

I read the Just In on the ABC web site and watch the 7pm news until the
sport shows up.

 

[Rod Speed]

kreed <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote

Pretzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
kreed <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote

I wish that the election would be now,
so we could get it over and done with

Yeah, but its obvious why the independants don't want that.

Yes, anyone involved with Gillard and the ALP will be gone
They know it and want to hang onto the perks for as long as possible.
Be a long time before they see any again, unless they are very young.

Most of them will be flushed where they belong and the
others like Windsor will be completely irrelevant after that.

It will be fascinating to see what the voters do to the Greens too.

Oh yes, Im looking forward to that even more. These scum are
even worse than the ALP. We need a result similar to QLD
for this government.

You probably will get what you wish for.
But is Abbott what you wish for?

Yes, that would happen if it ever did happen. But it wont.

and it's cheap.

That wont happen. And all you would have got is whats on PayTV right
now.

Don't know about the capitals where there might be better deals, but
in regional areas about the only places you see lots of PAY TV dishes
or antennas is in housing commission areas. Makes sense really as
those who are working would working so bloody hard to pay
their bills and pay down debt while they still have a job,

probably don't have time to watch TV anyway, and certainly less and
less have money to spend on such luxuries.

Again if you are in shit street living in a housing comission
area on real shit wages (families of these people do assist).
TV is the least cost for entertainment.
Try living on a dole income.
Joe Hockey thinks like
youhttp://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news-old/joe-hockey-que...
http://tinyurl.com/cqssu46
The NBN will be even cheaper and creat jobs

What on earth has Hockey got to do with this ?

He's the one who will be driving the bus when
Abbott gets run over by a semi or eaten by a shark.

Out of interest, being generous, according to these figures
that means that if 50% of the population is employed ,
(excluding children, the elderly and disabled) they will
be each paying $800 pa towards this scheme.

Sorry - that's getting a bit high for me - on top of all the other
stuff we have to pay for.

All completely academic. Juliar will be gone by the time she
proposes to start that and the coalition wont bother because
they are actually stupid enough to want a surplus even faster.

As for jobs
If we hadn't had both parties for the last 40 + going
under orders from their bankster and corporate owners
selling out our industries and services overseas,

Even sillier. There are limits on what percentage of Telstra and Qantas
can be owned outside the country.

we would have still had a lot of industry here,

Fantasy.

and therefore jobs.

Even sillier fantasy. Fuck all jobs in manufacturing anywhere in the world
now.

In spades with first world countrys.

Those who are left working

Which just happens to be vastly more than ever were.

wouldn't be constantly shafted with paying
the welfare and baby breeding bills either.

Even sillier.

I don't buy the "create jobs" line anymore. I have
heard it over and over since the late 1970's when the
unemployment problem first started to hit the news,

And there are vastly more in work than there were then.

and except for the duration of the early-mid 2000's credit
bubble housing fuelled boom, have never seen the real
unemployment rate drop significantly for any length of time

Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.

And that's with an immense immigration rate too.

You can be assured that almost all the equipment for
the NBN will be made offshore so basically no jobs there,
There will be jobs for installation, and delivery of the equipment

And that's vastly more than are involved in the manufacture of the
equipment.

but these don't really count, as they will only
be short term until the installs are complete.

Which just happens to be 10 years.

As for ongoing maintenance that is likely to be similar
cost and employment levels to the current system.

Nope.

 

[Rob]

On 2/05/2012 10:38 AM, Rod Speed wrote:

Pretzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
kreed<kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote

I wish that the election would be now,
so we could get it over and done with

Yeah, but its obvious why the independants don't want that.

Yes, anyone involved with Gillard and the ALP will be gone
They know it and want to hang onto the perks for as long as possible.
Be a long time before they see any again, unless they are very young.

Most of them will be flushed where they belong and the
others like Windsor will be completely irrelevant after that.

It will be fascinating to see what the voters do to the Greens too.

Oh yes, Im looking forward to that even more.
These scum are even worse than the ALP. We
need a result similar to QLD for this government.

You probably will get what you wish for.

Absolutely certainly will with the vote TWICE what it is for Labor.

But is Abbott what you wish for?

Leaves Juliar for dead. At least there
will be no carbon tax and no NBN either.

No greens either, you watch.

Abbott is doing a good job in opposition mode, even though he is being
ridiculed, this will change once in government then you will see the
other side.

Yes, that would happen if it ever did happen. But it wont.

and it's cheap.

That wont happen. And all you would have got is whats on PayTV
right now.

Don't know about the capitals where there might be better deals, but
in regional areas about the only places you see lots of
PAY TV dishes or antennas is in housing commission areas. Makes
sense really as those who are working would working so bloody
hard to pay their bills and pay down debt while they still have a job,

probably don't have time to watch TV anyway, and certainly
less and less have money to spend on such luxuries.

Again if you are in shit street living in a housing comission
area on real shit wages (families of these people do assist).
TV is the least cost for entertainment.

Street riots cost even less.

Try living on a dole income.

Not once the govt changes, they'll be out on their lard arses.

Joe Hockey thinks like you
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news-old/joe-hockey-questions-ndis-funding/story-fn3dxiwe-1226342876031

http://tinyurl.com/cqssu46

Great, those bums get more than those on the dole anyway.

The NBN will be even cheaper

Yep, because they will pull the plug on it first chance they get.

can't see why we had to have the NBN the telco's were slowly putting in
place fibre.

How come all of Australia is not covered by a mobile network? should
this have been a priority of the Labor government?

and creat jobs

Fantasy.

It will take many years for value adding and manufacturing, in
Australia, to recover.

Each country to its own, we should not try to grow rice in a water
restricted country. Like many other things.

Australia has the balance wrong.

 

[Rod Speed]

kreed <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote

Pretzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote

and have become basically government and corporate mouthpieces,

Even sillier. If they were either, we wouldn't have seen the
expose of what happened in abattoirs in Indonesia for starters.

that was simply an agenda to help destroy small
producers, who the big guyscan then buy up for a song.

Utterly mindless conspiracy theory.

Small Farmers have been the prime target
of hate by the gov for a long long time.

Even sillier.

Cant have a public having food independence from corporation or gov.

Have fun explaining farmer's markets.

But a lot is paid for comment.
We are getting the government big business is paying for "us" to vote
for. Has happened with both sides of the house with media backing one
or the other

Look how right Rudd was on the "Superprofits tax"
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-01/mining-tax-makes-good-sense/398...
http://tinyurl.com/co7lrdu
Not that many listen to the ABC though
(although I like ABC channel 24 my main station)

Agree on that - except the ABC constantly pushing the man
made global warming fraud, (and seems it is still pushing it)
long after it had been exposed as a fraud, has finished them
for me as a credible source of anything scientific, political
or news info.

For some time before the 2007 election and some time after they
were basically an ALP and green mouthpiece, were not impartial at all.

No news operation ever is, stupid.

 

[Rod Speed]

Pretzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

kreed <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote

But a lot is paid for comment.
We are getting the government big business is paying for "us" to vote
for. Has happened with both sides of the house with media backing one
or the other
Look how right Rudd was on the "Superprofits tax"
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-01/mining-tax-makes-good-sense/398...
http://tinyurl.com/co7lrdu
Not that many listen to the ABC though (although I like ABC channel 24
my main station)

Agree on that - except the ABC constantly pushing the man
made global warming fraud, (and seems it is still pushing it) long
after it had been exposed as a fraud, has finished them for me as
a credible source of anything scientific, political or news info.

For some time before the 2007 election and some time after they were
basically an ALP and green mouthpiece, were not impartial at all.

I think you and I are on the same track except on the NBN.

Clearly not on the ABC alone.

Which I see as a very big plus for Australia.

More fool you.

Problem is we don't have a leader.

The last one of those we had was completely fucking useless, Witless.

Gillard is a puppet being run by some shady "back room boys" operation,

Yeah, yeah, its those damned jews conspiring in smoke filled rooms to shaft
us all...

How odd that they picked a rabid lefty...

voters have no say in who is in control of a Labor government .

They don't in any govt, stupid.

The "carbon tax" was an initiation of the "Greens"

Yep, and Juliar was actually stupid enough to pander to them
on that so her pathetic excuse for a govt might last a bit longer.

which shows Gillard has no negotiating skills

The Dud couldn't even manage to 'negotiate' his own job, TWICE.

(The Greens won't vote with Abbott)

They will be completely irrelevant after the next election, you watch.

No other country has it,

That is a bare faced pig ignorant lie.

this is a bad mistake

Yep, even if we pulled the plug on all power generation entirely
it wouldn't make a scrap of difference to world temps.

With the Liberals you are voting for someone who *is* in control
of his team. Trouble is you will get Abbott who is negative and
not been convincing of what he would do different.

The voters will elect his govt in a landslide anyway, you watch.

It tells me he knows nothing about High Speed broadband

Turdbull does.

or how to provide it.

You're so stupid you havent even noticed that we already have it.

Economically Abbott nor Hockey are showing even a slight clue.

The voters will elect his govt in a landslide anyway, you watch.

With the Greens you get "Christine Milne" they
are showing surprisingly a lot of economic sense.

Like hell they are with their stupid carbon tax.

And they are completely irrelevant anyway, just
as irrelevant as the Demoprats were when the
voters flushed them where they belong too.

They are showing respect for their Leader.

Pigs arse Hanson-Young does. There's a reason that fool
Bandt is the deputy, stupid.

My problem with them is they seem to
preoccupied with gay and lesbian issues

That's because they are all poofters and lessos, stupid.

and not being practical on environmental issues

You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist fellas ?