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[R. Steve Walz]

bigmike wrote:

"Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote

Want to know something else? The common people, the ones that actually make
society work, could give a rat's ass about the bull being shoveled in this
thread, and for good reason. They are doing something productive, and it
applies to the REAL world. It impacts other peoples lives in ways that
matter, that has a real effect. All the hot air being produced in this
rediculous thread, has no effect other than to inflate a few already over
inflated egos.
----------------

The common people have been deluded up till now by people like you
who are desperate to speak for them so they CAN'T AND DON'T GET TO
SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

[primitive attempt at insult snipped for lameness]

But if you would pull your nose down out of the air for a second,
--------------------

Disingenuous.

you might realize why common people
do not agree with the views expressed here.
--------------------

You mean YOURS! "Common" people pay rent and know that they would
kill their landlord and not pay rent if they could get away with it.
They won't tell the police this, or any TV show, but that's what they
think. They know that half their lives are being stolen by the rich.

They also know that they would prefer that the rich rot in hell and pay
for everybody's universal medical care instead of their own last three
ski vacations.

Is it because they are > ignorant
compared to yourself? Nope, that's not it.
---------------------

No, they are still mis-informed about what the rest of people like
them ACTUALLY think, but the Net is beginning to change all that!!!

The truth is, most people do not
feel they have all the answers, because, and this important, they have
enough wisdom to know better.
---------------------

No, they have simply been systematically told that they are stupid
by the rich and those the rich pay to talk at them all their life so
far, and the rich have been TELLING THEM what "they" should/do THINK!
But the Net is now changing all that!! The last 5 years the whole
fucking world went from an output ONLY device to an INPUT-output
device, and you're REALLY not ready for it!!!

They do not try to tell the rest of the world
how to live, because they know they don't have the answers themselves.
-------------------

They were told they were stupid and that not talking was "minding their
own business", which is considered a blue-collar VIRTUE because the rich
fuck with THEIR lives so much, but they are being lied to simply
so the rich can continue to steal from them unimpeded. But when they
figure out just how MUCH they've been lied to and stolen from, you're
going to see a reaction that will resemble the anger of the French
Revolution.

Those
that think they do, lack enough wisdom or common sense to know any better.
--------------

They'll even get around to reading these archives to find out who
to punish for this. They'll see your vicious deprecation.

These are people that spend their lives talking, and not listening. These
are people that pay more attention to how somebody says something, then to
what they are actually saying. And that makes these people fools. I'm sure
your ego just made everything I said fly right over your head, but someday,
sooner or later, you will understand - when the day comes you finally know,
that you don't know....
--------------------------------------

That won't happen, you see, because *I* *DO* *KNOW*!! You can't wait
till your life is over to take your own advice and kill the people it
tells you need killing, or else your grandkids are just as abused and
enslaved as you were! Better to believe yourself and kill your enemies,
and let death sort it all out.
-Steve
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[R. Steve Walz]

Carlos Antunes wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:3EFA72AE.33CD@armory.com...

Little Rightists like you merely fantasize that you're somehow
"different".

Ok, you fucking retard,
---------------

Evidence of BULLSEYE!!! 100 points!

tell me if someone who defends the following is a
right winger:

- Liberalization of prostitution
-----------------

Yep. Sex should be free, only Rightist antisexuals want people to
have to PAY for it. Prostitution should be illegal, punished by
a stint in the sex corps where you service people who are least
attractive for free.

- Liberalization of drug consumption and trade
-----------------

Yep, anyone should be able to grow, make, and take any drug they
wish, but be forbidden on penalty of death to sell it to ANYONE
for ANY material consideration whatsoever. They are only allowed
to USE it, or GIVE IT AWAY. That would end organized crime, and
kill criminals who should be killed, while preserving Liberty!

- Open immigration
------------------

Non-issue in a Communist society. We'd simply offer to incorporate
adjacent nations and territories and kill their rich people for them.

- Repeal of all Laws dealing with consensual sex between adults
-------------------

And children.
And as long as it isn't for material gain.

- Total separation of Church and State
-------------------

You need to eliminate the church altogether, it never keeps its
fucking hands to itself, it's an enemy of freedom and justice.
Drive it underground and chew it to pieces on public educational
TV, it will never survive public nudity and public sexual activity
being legalized. All sheep-fucking middle eastern religions are
based on the sex=sin model of evil, and fall apart completely
without it.

You so fucking retrograde that you aren't even able to imagine that someone
could be a strong supporter of both economic and personal freedoms. What a
stupid (re)tard!

Carlos Antunes
--------------------------------

Many economic so-called "freedoms" aren't, they abuse others and
rob them of real personal freedoms.
-Steve
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[R. Steve Walz]

bigmike wrote:

"Carlos Antunes" <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote in message
news:niEKa.29136$VQ6.10082@lakeread01...
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:3EFA72AE.33CD@armory.com...

Little Rightists like you merely fantasize that you're somehow
"different".


Ok, you fucking retard, tell me if someone who defends the following is a
right winger:

- Liberalization of prostitution
- Liberalization of drug consumption and trade
- Open immigration
- Repeal of all Laws dealing with consensual sex between adults
- Total separation of Church and State

You so fucking retrograde that you aren't even able to imagine that
someone
could be a strong supporter of both economic and personal freedoms. What a
stupid (re)tard!

Carlos Antunes

Don't hold back Carlos, say what you really think! Okay, just joking of
course. The one thing that makes these people's heads explode, is the very
idea that a person could be on both sides of the fence at once, or right in
the middle, or no where around it.
---------------------

You're not eclectic, you're just confused and can't think clearly.
-Steve
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[R. Steve Walz]

Carlos Antunes wrote:

"bigmike" <bigmike@cornhusker.net> wrote in message
news:3efb1273$0$11833$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...

Don't hold back Carlos, say what you really think! Okay, just joking of
course. The one thing that makes these people's heads explode, is the very
idea that a person could be on both sides of the fence at once, or right
in
the middle, or no where around it. They see the world from one point of
view, and just assume that everybody else does the same.


Actually, today is a very happy day for me and all those who cherish
personal freedoms as the US Supreme Court struct down as unconstitutional
Sodomy Laws.

Carlos Antunes
-------------------

Yup, now you can get bent with the rest of them.
-Steve
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[R. Steve Walz]

Bob Myers wrote:

"Carlos Antunes" <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote in message
news:euEKa.29210$VQ6.7561@lakeread01...

Actually, today is a very happy day for me and all those who cherish
personal freedoms as the US Supreme Court struct down as unconstitutional
Sodomy Laws.

I think that the whole thread just goes to show how far too
many people believe that political thought is somehow a
one-dimensional continuum, where everyone can be conveniently
plotted on a single line running from "left" to "right".

I, for one, am not at all surprised that a person could both
believe in the freedom to choose what happens to one's own
body, AND the freedom to choose what happens to one's own
property (or the notion of "personal property" in the first place) -
those latter two being the basic ideas being a free market economy.

Bob M.
--------------------------

Don't be stupid. One's own body has obvious limits.

If the earth was divided as clearly, then all wealth would have been
impossible without it being immediately obvious that it required
assault, battery, and murder, which we'd punish with immediate
execution.

-Steve
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[R. Steve Walz]

Precious Pup wrote:

Bob Myers wrote:

"Carlos Antunes" <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote in message
news:euEKa.29210$VQ6.7561@lakeread01...

Actually, today is a very happy day for me and all those who cherish
personal freedoms as the US Supreme Court struct down as unconstitutional
Sodomy Laws.

I think that the whole thread just goes to show how far too
many people believe that political thought is somehow a
one-dimensional continuum, where everyone can be conveniently
plotted on a single line running from "left" to "right".

I don't know about "many." It is certainly true for Walz and Sloman. "Many" folks have posted without
defining their voter registration or done much of anything beyond describing how they think things work and
why. They've done so without involving political parties or the somewhat arbitrary distinctions you point
out.

That said, when radicals like Walz or Sloman are encountered, just about anything could safely be called
"right wing" when viewed comparatively. That's how it is living on the fringe.
--------------------

Funny how extremists always call normal people radicals in order to
deceive you.
-Steve
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[Bill Sloman]

"bigmike" <bigmike@cornhusker.net> wrote in message news:<3efb9b6a$0$87918$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>...

"Precious Pup" <barking@wrongtree.org> wrote in message
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Frank Bemelman wrote:


I'm not sure if we gained that much, when we decided to start to walking
on two legs... at least in those days we ate bananas all the time and
had a good chance on copulating 3 times a day.


I eat steak and have legions of female fans. Things are definitely
better.

Legions of female fans? Are you sure you work in the electronic field?

His fans go round and round, and circulate the air. We haven't yet
worked out why he thinks they are female - wish-fulfilment, most
likely.

-----
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[Bill Sloman]

Precious Pup <barking@wrongtree.org> wrote in message news:<3EFB96FD.FF65D547@wrongtree.org>...

Bob Myers wrote:

"Carlos Antunes" <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote in message
news:euEKa.29210$VQ6.7561@lakeread01...

Actually, today is a very happy day for me and all those who cherish
personal freedoms as the US Supreme Court struct down as unconstitutional
Sodomy Laws.

I think that the whole thread just goes to show how far too
many people believe that political thought is somehow a
one-dimensional continuum, where everyone can be conveniently
plotted on a single line running from "left" to "right".

I don't know about "many." It is certainly true for Walz and
Sloman.

I must say that I tend to see political thought as a multi-dimensional
continuum, with the right-to-left axis more or less orthogonal to the
pragmatic-to-doctrinaire axis. Round here we have to throw in a
coherent-to-incoherent axis, though this seems to pretty much parallel
the left-to-right axis.

"Many" folks have posted without defining their voter registration or done
much of anything beyond describing how they think things work and
why. They've done so without involving political parties or the somewhat
arbitrary distinctions you point out.

This is essentially the population that has been propagandised so
effectively that they don't realise that they have been brain-washed.

Someone recently explained why trade unions were unnecessary these
days, because everybody's rights at work were now protected by
legislation - so you can commission your team of layers to sue your
employer in the courts (and tussle with your employer's team of
lawyers) every time you run into a prejudiced boss or an unfair
administrative decision. If you've got a union, things can get sorted
out much more quickly and cheaply.

That said, when radicals like Walz or Sloman are encountered, just about
anything could safely be called "right wing" when viewed comparatively.
That's how it is living on the fringe.

And for Peurile Pup, living as he does on his fringe, just about
everything can be safely called "left wing" and "radical".

------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[Paul Burke]

Bill Sloman wrote:

I must say that I tend to see political thought as a multi-dimensional
continuum, with the right-to-left axis more or less orthogonal to the
pragmatic-to-doctrinaire axis. Round here we have to throw in a
coherent-to-incoherent axis, though this seems to pretty much parallel
the left-to-right axis.

You missed out the sympathetic-to-brutal axis, and the
honest-to-dishonest one.And then there's closed-to-open-minded.

Mind you, the recent kerfuffle over the appointment of a gay C of E
bishop flushed out quite a lot of people who were adopting liberalish
poses, but who were a secret seething cauldron of prejudice underneath.

Paul Burke

 

[John Fields]

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:48:54 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Didn't you know? Sloman invented the "Trypewriter"! ;-)

---
<G>

And the Tripewriter!^)

--
John Fields

 

[John Fields]

On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:34:14 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
<bemelmanx@euronet.nl.invalid> wrote:

I'm not sure if we gained that much, when we decided to start to walking
on two legs... at least in those days we ate bananas all the time and had
a good chance on copulating 3 times a day.

---
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--
John Fields

 

[Precious Pup]

Bill Sloman wrote:

I must say that I tend to see political thought as a multi-dimensional
continuum, with the right-to-left axis more or less orthogonal to the
pragmatic-to-doctrinaire axis. Round here we have to throw in a
coherent-to-incoherent axis, though this seems to pretty much parallel
the left-to-right axis.

You are so weird.

 

[Precious Pup]

Bill Sloman wrote:

Try to read what you've typed before pressing the "send" button.

Retard, I'm not writing a book.

First you have to identify Steve's political plan with the plan
adopted by some dictator or other, and then you have to name the
dictator or dictators before you can claim that history proves
anything.

Nope. He's just a wannabe dictator. There's little reason to complicate the issue or spend much time on it.

Skipping these minor, but necessary, steps identifies you as the kind
of cretin who can't construct a sequential arguement.

I just don't know what an "arguement" is. But you seem to know, since you keep typing it.

I don't really think that Steve's plan...

Steve's "plan" is to kill -- the basic gangster-tyrant technique. Others have succeeded in doing exactly
that.

Dubbya isn't exactly scrupulous about the bogey-men he uses, so I
might be wrong.

I never really thought about voting for him. But if you hate him so much, there might be a very good reason
give that a second thought.

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Bill Sloman wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote
Bill Sloman wrote:

Okay Bill. Have it your way. Follow Steve.

Good grief. If you could read - and process what you read - you'd know
while I like Steve, and sympathise with a lot of what he writes, I
regard his policies as poorly thought out to the point of being wholly
impracticable.
---------------
You never seem to find time to say convincingly quite WHY, however.

You lay considerable emphasis on the will of the "majority", and
predict the actions of the "majority". I don't recall any references
to the way the opinion of the "majority" is to to be measured, or the
way their actions are to be coordinated.
-----------------

Unless they are being manipulated, which is not an end to be wished,
they will have to do that themselves, as a Majority, by employing
statesmen of note, but not permitting unseemly corruption of power
in positions of this respect. I never said that this will come easily,
but it is the ONLY way that such a system as the one I recommend will
EVER become successful. People will have to come to a set of logically
self-reinforcing conclusions about the entire history of the human
species and how we were only recently kept from our promise by those
sociopathic individuals among us who opportuned on our species'
success as it achieved it's full flower using connivance and theft
of the public media and public knowledge. We did this once before at
the beginning of the Great American Experiment in Democracy when we
defeated the Divine Right of Kings and the Nobility, when nearly
every human heart was inspired, and this is merely the final and
culminative chapter of that great change, as History shall see things.
When these great memes are achieved and esconced safely in our
psrdigmatic understanding, much as evolution and physics and tolerance
are now, then we will be able to seek perfection of society by law as
I have predicted. It is coming, the memes are clotting together even
as I describe this to you, the SCotUS decision of yesterday, the change
since only a decade or two, the recognition even by Rightists that a
system that does not provide for Everyone has No Future. These are
moving precisely as I have predicted since the revelations of my own
adolescence some 40+ years back.

The devil of successful
social organisation is in precisely this sort of detail, so it is
something we need to know before we fall in behind your ostensibly
estimable program.
--------------------

It is not the details at all that produce a sea-change in public
belief systems, it is a transformative step-function in the depth
of the understanding of how we are here and how we got here,
historically. When it occurs, the Direst Difficulty in Details
cannot Derail it, (ewww, Spiro!) because it is what we all want,
and we all know it.

He's not exactly unique in this - Dubbya would be
another example - but I don't think I'll adopt him as my leader,
despite your recommendation.
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
----------------
Trying to insult me that way is irrelevant from someone who can't
tell me why he imagines my recommendations are "impractiable"
-Steve

As insults go, this is pretty mild. Do you really want me as one of
your followers? Point me to a URL where your libertarian social
organisation is spelled out, and you may well have a convert ...
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
----------------

I only asked for honest discourse.
I avoid "followers" like the plague, save your OWN soul.
-Steve
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[R. Steve Walz]

John Fields wrote:

On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:34:14 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
bemelmanx@euronet.nl.invalid> wrote:

I'm not sure if we gained that much, when we decided to start to walking
on two legs... at least in those days we ate bananas all the time and had
a good chance on copulating 3 times a day.

---
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--
John Fields
---------------------

God, you sound like that insipid defective series, "Walking With
Cavemen" on Discovery!

We didn't "decide" anything. Some of us were able to stand a little
more erect and still function, and it became more useful. Those who
could tended to live a few weeks longer or could survive to breed 1%
better, that's all. Nobody "decided" to stand erect and thereby
"caused" it.
-Steve
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[R. Steve Walz]

bigmike wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:3EFCDED8.6ACA@armory.com...
John Fields wrote:

On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:34:14 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
bemelmanx@euronet.nl.invalid> wrote:

I'm not sure if we gained that much, when we decided to start to
walking
on two legs... at least in those days we ate bananas all the time and
had
a good chance on copulating 3 times a day.

---
http://www.codehot.co.uk/lyrics/ijkl/kinks/apeman.htm

--
John Fields
---------------------
God, you sound like that insipid defective series, "Walking With
Cavemen" on Discovery!

We didn't "decide" anything. Some of us were able to stand a little
more erect and still function, and it became more useful. Those who
could tended to live a few weeks longer or could survive to breed 1%
better, that's all. Nobody "decided" to stand erect and thereby
"caused" it.
-Steve

Were you there Steve?
--------------------------

What a stupid question. Lemme gues, NOT only are you a bipolar manic
depressive who thinks that he cured himself through grunting hard
enough, but you're ALSO a classic raving right-wing paranoid who has
a defective understanding of evolution just like other slack-jawed
rightist morons.

Defective personalities like you should not post.
-Steve
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[bigmike]

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:3EFCDED8.6ACA@armory.com...

John Fields wrote:

On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:34:14 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
bemelmanx@euronet.nl.invalid> wrote:

I'm not sure if we gained that much, when we decided to start to
walking
on two legs... at least in those days we ate bananas all the time and
had
a good chance on copulating 3 times a day.

---
http://www.codehot.co.uk/lyrics/ijkl/kinks/apeman.htm

--
John Fields
---------------------
God, you sound like that insipid defective series, "Walking With
Cavemen" on Discovery!

We didn't "decide" anything. Some of us were able to stand a little
more erect and still function, and it became more useful. Those who
could tended to live a few weeks longer or could survive to breed 1%
better, that's all. Nobody "decided" to stand erect and thereby
"caused" it.
-Steve

Were you there Steve?

 

[bigmike]

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:3EFCEE3F.5972@armory.com...

bigmike wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:3EFCDED8.6ACA@armory.com...
John Fields wrote:

On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:34:14 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
bemelmanx@euronet.nl.invalid> wrote:

I'm not sure if we gained that much, when we decided to start to
walking
on two legs... at least in those days we ate bananas all the time
and
had
a good chance on copulating 3 times a day.

---
http://www.codehot.co.uk/lyrics/ijkl/kinks/apeman.htm

--
John Fields
---------------------
God, you sound like that insipid defective series, "Walking With
Cavemen" on Discovery!

We didn't "decide" anything. Some of us were able to stand a little
more erect and still function, and it became more useful. Those who
could tended to live a few weeks longer or could survive to breed 1%
better, that's all. Nobody "decided" to stand erect and thereby
"caused" it.
-Steve

Were you there Steve?
--------------------------
What a stupid question. Lemme gues, NOT only are you a bipolar manic
depressive who thinks that he cured himself through grunting hard
enough, but you're ALSO a classic raving right-wing paranoid who has
a defective understanding of evolution just like other slack-jawed
rightist morons.

Defective personalities like you should not post.
-Steve
--

Like I said Steve, it's time to grow up.

 

[Frank Bemelman]

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> schreef in bericht
news:3EFCDED8.6ACA@armory.com...

John Fields wrote:

On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:34:14 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
bemelmanx@euronet.nl.invalid> wrote:

I'm not sure if we gained that much, when we decided to start to
walking
on two legs... at least in those days we ate bananas all the time and
had
a good chance on copulating 3 times a day.

---
http://www.codehot.co.uk/lyrics/ijkl/kinks/apeman.htm

--
John Fields
---------------------
God, you sound like that insipid defective series, "Walking With
Cavemen" on Discovery!

We didn't "decide" anything. Some of us were able to stand a little
more erect and still function, and it became more useful. Those who
could tended to live a few weeks longer or could survive to breed 1%
better, that's all. Nobody "decided" to stand erect and thereby
"caused" it.

It was just a philosophical thought, perhaps I should have said 'the
species decided'. But now that we don't have to pick our bananas from
high trees and simple buy them in shops, we could of course try walking
again on 4 legs and put that 3-times-a-day thing back on the daily
schedule.

If that step is too big, we can start calling our arms fore-legs...

The decision is yours

--
Thanks,
Frank Bemelman
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[Reg Edwards]

Capitalism is the means whereby the rich are enabled to rob the poor.