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[bigmike]

"Carlos Antunes" <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote in message
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"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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Little Rightists like you merely fantasize that you're somehow
"different".


Ok, you fucking retard, tell me if someone who defends the following is a
right winger:

- Liberalization of prostitution
- Liberalization of drug consumption and trade
- Open immigration
- Repeal of all Laws dealing with consensual sex between adults
- Total separation of Church and State

You so fucking retrograde that you aren't even able to imagine that
someone
could be a strong supporter of both economic and personal freedoms. What a
stupid (re)tard!

Carlos Antunes

Don't hold back Carlos, say what you really think! Okay, just joking of
course. The one thing that makes these people's heads explode, is the very
idea that a person could be on both sides of the fence at once, or right in
the middle, or no where around it. They see the world from one point of
view, and just assume that everybody else does the same.

 

[bigmike]

"Carlos Antunes" <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote in message
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"bigmike" <bigmike@cornhusker.net> wrote in message
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Don't hold back Carlos, say what you really think! Okay, just joking
of
course. The one thing that makes these people's heads explode, is the
very
idea that a person could be on both sides of the fence at once, or right
in
the middle, or no where around it. They see the world from one point of
view, and just assume that everybody else does the same.


Actually, today is a very happy day for me and all those who cherish
personal freedoms as the US Supreme Court struct down as unconstitutional
Sodomy Laws.

Carlos Antunes

It's hard to beleive they were ever on the books to begin with.

 

[John Fields]

On 26 Jun 2003 10:49:16 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:

Persuading idiots - who can't even post a respectable insult - that
they need to study a bit of rhetoric before they exercise their typing
skills, is probably beyond my powers, but I can have fun trying.
---

Well put.

The problem with most of the idiots who hang out here is that they're
generally so stupid they don't realize that their skill set just barely
includes being able to walk upright without dragging their knuckles on
the ground. A few of them have found that their hands can be used for
things other than transporting themselves through trees, so they've
banded together and are trying to see whether, collectively, they can
watch their fingers type the Encyclopedia Britannica.

--
John Fields

 

[Frank Bemelman]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht
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On 26 Jun 2003 10:49:16 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:


Persuading idiots - who can't even post a respectable insult - that
they need to study a bit of rhetoric before they exercise their typing
skills, is probably beyond my powers, but I can have fun trying.
---
Well put.

The problem with most of the idiots who hang out here is that they're
generally so stupid they don't realize that their skill set just barely
includes being able to walk upright without dragging their knuckles on
the ground. A few of them have found that their hands can be used for
things other than transporting themselves through trees, so they've
banded together and are trying to see whether, collectively, they can
watch their fingers type the Encyclopedia Britannica.
--

I'm not sure if we gained that much, when we decided to start to walking
on two legs... at least in those days we ate bananas all the time and had
a good chance on copulating 3 times a day.

--
Thanks,
Frank Bemelman
(remove 'x' & .invalid when sending email)

 

[Bob Myers]

"Carlos Antunes" <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote in message
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Actually, today is a very happy day for me and all those who cherish
personal freedoms as the US Supreme Court struct down as unconstitutional
Sodomy Laws.

I think that the whole thread just goes to show how far too
many people believe that political thought is somehow a
one-dimensional continuum, where everyone can be conveniently
plotted on a single line running from "left" to "right".

I, for one, am not at all surprised that a person could both
believe in the freedom to choose what happens to one's own
body, AND the freedom to choose what happens to one's own
property (or the notion of "personal property" in the first place) -
those latter two being the basic ideas being a free market economy.

Bob M.

 

[Bill Sloman]

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:<3a2mfvsiuis1fiacd82le2cd6p9j7t73g1@4ax.com>...

On 26 Jun 2003 01:10:35 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:


So you have the same sort of difficulties in pharsing complex
sentences as does John Kimball.

---
Is that supposed to be 'parsing' or 'phrasing'?

Or perhaps something entirely different?

"Parsing", John, as should be obvious from the context.

--

You can't see either the forest or the trees - just this "extremely
simple minded" green blur.

---
I suggest that your myopia has made you forget (if, in fact, you ever
knew) that there is more to the forest than the canopy.
---

Don't be silly John - do try and follow the arguement.

People have worked out how to make corrective spectacles for the eyes,
but similar prostheses for the brain seem to be some way off - your
best bet would be to join some sort of organisation for the
intellectually challenged, like the Republican Party, where you
disability will pass unnoticed.

---
Unlike you persistent trypos and grammatical eerors. ;^)

Not symptoms of brain damage, John - when sober, almost everybody
makes about one error of action every half hour. Yours seems to be to
bang away at the keyboard about subjects you don't understand.

------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[Bill Sloman]

Precious Pup <barking@wrongtree.org> wrote in message news:<3EFB129E.641CF588@wrongtree.org>...

Bill Sloman wrote:


...I was saying was that Steve's political plan is
probably impractical,..

Retard, plenty of dictators have already proved you wrong.

Try to read what you've typed before pressing the "send" button.

First you have to identify Steve's political plan with the plan
adopted by some dictator or other, and then you have to name the
dictator or dictators before you can claim that history proves
anything.

Skipping these minor, but necessary, steps identifies you as the kind
of cretin who can't construct a sequential arguement.

If the right circumstances shape up (people allow
them to happen) then horrible people can get into power.

I don't really think that Steve's plan is well enough worked out to
form the basis of a coup d'etat by an aspiring dictator, either by
hijacking the revolution, as Lenin did, or by using it as an excuse
for a military take-over (Franco's technique).

Dubbya isn't exactly scrupulous about the bogey-men he uses, so I
might be wrong.

------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[John Fields]

On 26 Jun 2003 15:19:49 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:<3a2mfvsiuis1fiacd82le2cd6p9j7t73g1@4ax.com>...
On 26 Jun 2003 01:10:35 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:


So you have the same sort of difficulties in pharsing complex
sentences as does John Kimball.

---
Is that supposed to be 'parsing' or 'phrasing'?

Or perhaps something entirely different?

"Parsing", John, as should be obvious from the context.

---
Who cares? I'm not following this crap thread, I just like poking at
you when you screw up.
---

You can't see either the forest or the trees - just this "extremely
simple minded" green blur.

---
I suggest that your myopia has made you forget (if, in fact, you ever
knew) that there is more to the forest than the canopy.
---

Don't be silly John - do try and follow the arguement.

---
Treetrunks are brown, Bill, not green, which is hard to determine if all
you can see is a "green blur".
---

People have worked out how to make corrective spectacles for the eyes,
but similar prostheses for the brain seem to be some way off - your
best bet would be to join some sort of organisation for the
intellectually challenged, like the Republican Party, where you
disability will pass unnoticed.

---
Unlike you persistent trypos and grammatical eerors. ;^)

Not symptoms of brain damage, John

---
Assuming it _was_ brain damage, you might not even be aware of it, so
you'd think you were asymptomatic.
---

when sober, almost everybody
makes about one error of action every half hour. Yours seems to be to
bang away at the keyboard about subjects you don't understand.

---
Perhaps...

Yours, on the other hand, seems to be to bang away at the keyboard about
subjects you think you _do_ understand.

--
John Fields

 

[Precious Pup]

Bob Myers wrote:

"Carlos Antunes" <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote in message
news:euEKa.29210$VQ6.7561@lakeread01...

Actually, today is a very happy day for me and all those who cherish
personal freedoms as the US Supreme Court struct down as unconstitutional
Sodomy Laws.

I think that the whole thread just goes to show how far too
many people believe that political thought is somehow a
one-dimensional continuum, where everyone can be conveniently
plotted on a single line running from "left" to "right".

I don't know about "many." It is certainly true for Walz and Sloman. "Many" folks have posted without
defining their voter registration or done much of anything beyond describing how they think things work and
why. They've done so without involving political parties or the somewhat arbitrary distinctions you point
out.

That said, when radicals like Walz or Sloman are encountered, just about anything could safely be called
"right wing" when viewed comparatively. That's how it is living on the fringe.

 

[Precious Pup]

Frank Bemelman wrote:

I'm not sure if we gained that much, when we decided to start to walking
on two legs... at least in those days we ate bananas all the time and had
a good chance on copulating 3 times a day.

I eat steak and have legions of female fans. Things are definitely better.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

John Fields wrote:

On 26 Jun 2003 01:10:35 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:

So you have the same sort of difficulties in pharsing complex
sentences as does John Kimball.

---
Is that supposed to be 'parsing' or 'phrasing'?

Or perhaps something entirely different?
--

You can't see either the forest or the trees - just this "extremely
simple minded" green blur.

---
I suggest that your myopia has made you forget (if, in fact, you ever
knew) that there is more to the forest than the canopy.
---

People have worked out how to make corrective spectacles for the eyes,
but similar prostheses for the brain seem to be some way off - your
best bet would be to join some sort of organisation for the
intellectually challenged, like the Republican Party, where you
disability will pass unnoticed.

---
Unlike you persistent trypos and grammatical eerors. ;^)

--
John Fields

Didn't you know? Sloman invented the "Trypewriter"! ;-)
--


Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[R. Steve Walz]

bigmike wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:3EFA68AC.1D7C@armory.com...
Bill Sloman wrote:

Precious Pup <barking@wrongtree.org> wrote

Okay Bill. Have it your way. Follow Steve.

Good grief. If you could read - and process what you read - you'd know
while I like Steve, and sympathise with a lot of what he writes, I
regard his policies as poorly thought out to the point of being wholly
impracticable.
---------------
You never seem to find time to say convincingly quite WHY, however.


He's not exactly unique in this - Dubbya would be
another example - but I don't think I'll adopt him as my leader,
despite your recommendation.
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
----------------
Trying to insult me that way is irrelevant from someone who can't
tell me why he imagines my recommendations are "impractiable"
-Steve

Has anybody else caught on to just what Steve is actually doing here with
this thread he started, or am I the only one? Here's a clue, go back and
look through some of the past replies he has left to peoples post, and see
if you don't notice a common theme with all, and I do mean ALL of them.
Here's another clue - you'e been had folks LOL
--------------

You haven't been here very long.
-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Precious Pup wrote:

bigmike wrote:


Has anybody else caught on to just what Steve is actually doing here with
this thread he started, or am I the only one? Here's a clue, go back and
look through some of the past replies he has left to peoples post, and see
if you don't notice a common theme with all, and I do mean ALL of them.
Here's another clue - you'e been had folks LOL

Steve isn't a real person. He's a computer program. I've known that all along.
---------------------

I'm consistent, not mechanical.
-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[R. Steve Walz]

ActualGeek wrote:

In article <3EF8E562.1FD7@armory.com>,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote:

ActualGeek wrote:

In article <3EF37EE0.23B9@armory.com>,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote:

idlemuse wrote:

How does the means of production come about again? In your
description, please don't forget to explain why the producers
of
capital bother producing it.
------------------
Labor originally produces everything.
Since the rich didn't produce, they shouldn't get any.

You didn't address the issue. Why does labor produce an item of
capital? Is it so they can use it or so they can sell it? Who
buys
it?
---------------------------
Capital is imaginary because it is the spending of as yet unworked
available labor which is extra over that needed for common
subsistence
at the current level.

This is nonsense. The economic value of a tool that amplifies
productivity 1000 times is imaginary?
---------------
That's an entirely stupid and unsupported assertion, similar to
the assertion that George Bush has thousand pound testicles.
Capital is not any type of "tool".

No, but factories and tools are, you idiot.
---------------------------
Yes, and they TOO are made by LABOR, and NOT by Capital!
The labor in a Communist society is assigned by the People who
agree to feed and clothe the workers building a new endeavor
that will not yet produce a public good, and in return they
later obtain that public good. The labor that is assigned is
labor the People can afford to delegate to that, and not to
either other needs for sufficiency or luxury at the present.
It is extra labor resource.

In a Capitalist system we let the rich own what is called Capital
by which they are permitted shares to control ALL labor assignment
merely on their whim of what they wish to try to do to expand their
wealth by profit stealing from those endeavors. This robs the People
of the right to Democratically decide how to assign any of their extra
available labor or what they want to do with it. In addition it robs
the People of even the choice as to what products they want produced
to meet sufficiency needs, since that is all controlled by the greedy
whims of the rich to get richer who hold these power tokens that
permit them to decide in place of the Majority. This is why we get
crap products and wasteful obliteration of our commonly held natural
resources.

Vote Communist!!
-Steve

Quite wrong, and ignorant as well. It doesn't have to be this way--
you're setting yourself up for a life of pain and misery.
---------------------------

You're a fucking adolescent asshole, I'm 53. No pain, no misery.
-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Guillaume wrote:

In a Capitalist system we let the rich own what is called Capital
by which they are permitted shares to control ALL labor assignment
merely on their whim of what they wish to try to do to expand their
wealth by profit stealing from those endeavors. This robs the People

Totally wrong. It's a very common misconception. It has nothing to do
with Capitalism.
------------------------

Wrong. Liar. That is what every major economic text that gets PAST
Capitalism Inside-The-Box says about it.

The thing you described just happens everytime people give up the
power of their mind to let others control them.
-------------------------

Like maybe to someone like YOU!!! You're a lying piece of shit.

Everytime there is unearned money
---------------------

Money doesn't come from the "earth".

(like when the ones who provide
the world with nothing much and still reap the benefits of others,
this is undeserved gain),
--------------------

Surely you mean the rich, of course!!

the system is on its way to collapsing.
-------------------

Oh I do indeed agree!

It's all about enslaving others, it's the exact same thing as
conqueering a country by war: brutal force over the mind to get
with minimal effort what others have taken decades or centuries
to build up.
----------------------

Yes, that is how the rich got rich and ruined people's lives
in feudal times, and how they still do today in the disguised
feudalism called Capitalism.

Once the people "enslaved" by the system realize it and stop
functioning, the system dies. It has happened many times in the
past, in many different kinds of societies (Roman empire, Sovietism,
etc etc.)
---------------------------

Yes, and when the slaves rise this time the rich will fall. This
time probably for good and always! And Good Fucking Riddance.

Again, there is always a common denominator: force over mind.
When the mind of those who use it doesn't want to cooperate
anymore, you realize that you're left with nothing. Money
will bring you nothing in itself if you can't trade it with
something that has value *in your own eyes*.
------------------------------------

Nobody has the vaguest idea what you're saying, or why you passed
english in school.
-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[R. Steve Walz]

bigmike wrote:

"Guillaume" <grs@mail.com> wrote in message
news:3efb0628$0$9629$7a628cd7@news.club-internet.fr...
In a Capitalist system we let the rich own what is called Capital
by which they are permitted shares to control ALL labor assignment
merely on their whim of what they wish to try to do to expand their
wealth by profit stealing from those endeavors. This robs the People

Totally wrong. It's a very common misconception. It has nothing to do
with Capitalism.

The thing you described just happens everytime people give up the
power of their mind to let others control them.

Everytime there is unearned money (like when the ones who provide
the world with nothing much and still reap the benefits of others,
this is undeserved gain), the system is on its way to collapsing.
It's all about enslaving others, it's the exact same thing as
conqueering a country by war: brutal force over the mind to get
with minimal effort what others have taken decades or centuries
to build up.

Once the people "enslaved" by the system realize it and stop
functioning, the system dies. It has happened many times in the
past, in many different kinds of societies (Roman empire, Sovietism,
etc etc.)

Again, there is always a common denominator: force over mind.
When the mind of those who use it doesn't want to cooperate
anymore, you realize that you're left with nothing. Money
will bring you nothing in itself if you can't trade it with
something that has value *in your own eyes*.

I think I have the answer you people are looking for! Just become a rock
star, then you can get your "money for nothing, and your chicks for free"
What could be a more perfect system than that?

-----------------

That's called Capitalism. Kill all rock stars.
-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[bigmike]

"Andrew VK3BFA" <ablight@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
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"bigmike" <bigmike@cornhusker.net> wrote in message
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"Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in message
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"John Kimball" <johnkimb@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On 24 Jun 2003 14:28:38 -0700 bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman)
wrote
in
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John Kimball <johnkimb@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 02:22:09 GMT "R. Steve Walz"
rstevew@armory.com
wrote in Message id: <3EF7B61A.1F86@armory.com>:



snipped the rant, nice though it is

Seems inappropriate to respond to such a nice rant with such a
trivial
little insult, but trivial little minds can do no better.

If your "storehouse of knowledge" was something more than a short
and
decaying list of primary school insults, you might have asked
Steve
how his mythical majority was going to get together to make and
enforce these exciting decisions, but that would require
thought - a
process foreign to the right-wing nerve nexus - while
name-calling
merely requires the activation of a routine originally set up in
primary school, and still more or less functional after decades
of
heavy use, while the higher intellectual functions have long
since
atrophied from lack of use.

So, are you fuckheads two joined at the groin, or does it just
appear
that
way?

What gets me is how they are taking an extremely simple minded
subject,
and
trying to turn it into a complex, but meaningless one. They can't
see
the
forest for the trees, so to speak.

So you have the same sort of difficulties in pharsing complex
sentences as does John Kimball.

You can't see either the forest or the trees - just this "extremely
simple minded" green blur.

People have worked out how to make corrective spectacles for the eyes,
but similar prostheses for the brain seem to be some way off - your
best bet would be to join some sort of organisation for the
intellectually challenged, like the Republican Party, where you
disability will pass unnoticed.

-----
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen


Was that by any chance suppose to be clever? Keep this in mind my
friend: A
persons worth is weighed by his actions, not by his words. Good thing,
since
your word "pharsing" is a new one on me

Want to know something else? The common people, the ones that actually
make
society work, could give a rat's ass about the bull being shoveled in
this
thread, and for good reason. They are doing something productive, and
it
applies to the REAL world. It impacts other peoples lives in ways that
matter, that has a real effect. All the hot air being produced in this
rediculous thread, has no effect other than to inflate a few already
over
inflated egos. I am sure your idea of helping mankind, is the brilliant
thoughts your brain produces, or at least you feel they are brilliant.
Without a doubt, Steve is exactly the same way. But if you would pull
your
nose down out of the air for a second, you might realize why common
people
do not agree with the views expressed here. Is it because they are
ignorant
compared to yourself? Nope, that's not it. The truth is, most people do
not
feel they have all the answers, because, and this important, they have
enough wisdom to know better. They do not try to tell the rest of the
world
how to live, because they know they don't have the answers themselves.
Those
that think they do, lack enough wisdom or common sense to know any
better.
These are people that spend their lives talking, and not listening.
These
are people that pay more attention to how somebody says something, then
to
what they are actually saying. And that makes these people fools. I'm
sure
your ego just made everything I said fly right over your head, but
someday,
sooner or later, you will understand - when the day comes you finally
know,
that you don't know....


Well, cant really disagree with any of that, and nicely put. You are
right, this debate (or lunatic ravings, it seems to be a mixture of
both) will not change anyones mind. But I feel it is important that we
have it, unless people do get involved in the political process at
some/any level then nothing can ever be improved. As an individual I
am totally pissed off with the 2 major political parties here, as far
as I can see there is no difference - perhaps in America the low voter
turnouts indicate a similar disenchantment - maybe you can comment on
this. I suggest that people have turned off - they feel powerless, and
are totally cynical about the political process - remember the old
graffiti(sp) _ "Whoever you vote for, a politician always wins"

And you must admit that Bill Sloman does beautifully crafted insults -
they alone are worth the bandwidth.

Andrew VK3BFA

And yes, the beginnings of wisdom are knowing how little we know - a
point relevant to electrical engineering - but we should at least try
to learn more.

Thanks for the reply Andrew. First off, yes I have to agree. Bill does seem
to work hard at crafting his insults

My opinion on the problems with politics, are three fold. First, it has
become terribly boring. TV and radio are filled with political programs and
talk shows that could put anybody in a coma.

Second, most people feel further separated from politicians now, than they
ever have. I think many people feel that politicians in Washington live in a
different dimension then they do. They don't see them as having a clue about
what life is like for the common person, and to a large degree, I beleive
they are right in this assumption. This is why Bill Clinton was so popular
with the common man. Bill screwed up, in many ways just like the common
man. People seen him as having faults like they themselves have, and they
connected to that. Bill also was fun, instead of being stuffy and
over-righteous like many other politicians.

Third and last, I think people have had it up to here with the government
interferring with their personal and private lives. Between taxes taking so
much of a persons income, and an over abundance of laws that restict their
freedom to the point of almost having none, they resent the government,
because like you saiod, they feel helpless to do anything about it.
Because, who cares about what the common person thinks? At least that's how
they feel, and certainly the way I feel sometimes. I have always beleived it
is the common people, not the politicians, not those of us with special
skills, abilities, or education, that make the world go around. The people
that work at the factorys, the gas stations, the sawmills, the hospitals,
the restaurants, and other jobs of common labor, are the people that supply
society with the basic services and supplies that are needed to survive. We
can't all be techs, engineers, entertainers, or politicians, even if we all
had the ability to do so! The reasons are obvious.

I don't have the answers to all these problems, but I do have a suggestion.
To get people interested in politics, the internet could play a huge role.
When our government was established, we had little in the way of
communications, but that's not the case anymore. With the internet, people
could have more of a voice in Washington, simply by being able to vote on
important bills, ammendments, and laws that have a direct effect on their
lives. That would help people feel that they do have a voice in government,
and that they can make a difference. The problem right now, is that I don't
think most folks beleive that the people they vote into Washington to
represent them, will end up representing them at all. Our form of government
is a good one, but's an old one, and it needs a little overhauling to catch
up with the times. Thanks for reading...

 

[bigmike]

"Precious Pup" <barking@wrongtree.org> wrote in message
news:3EFB9743.77341ED9@wrongtree.org...

Frank Bemelman wrote:


I'm not sure if we gained that much, when we decided to start to walking
on two legs... at least in those days we ate bananas all the time and
had
a good chance on copulating 3 times a day.


I eat steak and have legions of female fans. Things are definitely
better.

Legions of female fans? Are you sure you work in the electronic field?

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Bill Sloman wrote:

Precious Pup <barking@wrongtree.org> wrote

...I was saying was that Steve's political plan is
probably impractical,..

Retard, plenty of dictators have already proved you wrong.

Try to read what you've typed before pressing the "send" button.

First you have to identify Steve's political plan with the plan
adopted by some dictator or other, and then you have to name the
dictator or dictators before you can claim that history proves
anything.

Skipping these minor, but necessary, steps identifies you as the kind
of cretin who can't construct a sequential arguement.

If the right circumstances shape up (people allow
them to happen) then horrible people can get into power.

I don't really think that Steve's plan is well enough worked out to
form the basis of a coup d'etat by an aspiring dictator, either by
hijacking the revolution, as Lenin did, or by using it as an excuse
for a military take-over (Franco's technique).

Dubbya isn't exactly scrupulous about the bogey-men he uses, so I
might be wrong.

------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
----------------------

I don't believe in fifth column movements. I don't know why you even
think that I do. I believe that for Communism to come it will take a
totally popular Democratic Majority movement against the richness
itself, against wealth, against privilege and inequality, generally,
of literally ANY AND EVERY kind, and against unequal ownership of the
earth itself, against unfairness and cruelty, bullying, and private
viciousness of absolutely each and every kind, in other words, against
the established way of doing everything for the last 1500 years, and
that's coming soon now, all it takes is a movement as forceful as the
Sixties that transformed western European civilization, but it will
happen, and it will be fairly soon now. The Sixties were merely prelude,
the kind that usually comes to fulfillment in a MUCH larger social
transformation 40 to 60 years later. The computer-information age is
the added new ingedient that will make this not merely possible but
totally inevitable. Both the democratization of communications afforded
by the Net and the ability of people to speak to each other as
previously they have only been spoken AT by the media, will totally
alter the way human thought works about each other, for the first time
since the feudal lords enslaved the tribes from the 3rd century BC to
the 4th century AD. This revolution is all about love and all about
sexuality and all about kindness and virtue and fairness, and above
all it is about an end to fear.

-Steve
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[Spehro Pefhany]

On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:14:47 -0700, the renowned "bigmike"
<bigmike@cornhusker.net> wrote:

"Precious Pup" <barking@wrongtree.org> wrote in message
news:3EFB9743.77341ED9@wrongtree.org...


Frank Bemelman wrote:


I'm not sure if we gained that much, when we decided to start to walking
on two legs... at least in those days we ate bananas all the time and
had
a good chance on copulating 3 times a day.


I eat steak and have legions of female fans. Things are definitely
better.

Legions of female fans? Are you sure you work in the electronic field?

Some of them probably carry the West Nile virus. ;-)

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
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