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[b]

ZZactly@aol.com wrote:

Lemme tell you something buddy, not only are you a waste of our time,
you also insult those who don't agree with your brainwashed state by
dismissing our views and other theologies summarily. I tried
Christianity and found it to be too contradicive of itself.

A few more for the collection....

"Think about the 'rules' of Christianity for a moment. Okay- what was
it that Adam wasn't supposed to eat? it wasn't just an apple, it was
the *fruit of the tree of knowledge* of good and evil. The subtle
message? "Get smart and I'll fuck you over -sayeth the Lord". God is
the smartest - and he doesn't want any competition.

Is this not an absolutely anti-intellectual religion? "

--F. Zappa


"The Christain faith is from the beginning sacrifice: sacrifice of all
freedom, all pride, all self confidence of the spirit, at the same
time enslavement and self-mockery, self-mutilation....
......There are no moral phenomena at all, only a moral interpretation
of phenomena."

-F. Nietzsche

 

b wrote:

ZZactly@aol.com wrote:
A few more for the collection....

the same
time enslavement and self-mockery, self-mutilation....
.....There are no moral phenomena at all, only a moral interpretation
of phenomena."

-F. Nietzsche

We have not yet scratched the surface. Most of this religion was
concieved and/or "interpreted" for us by the Pharises. They don't
believe in any afterlife whatsoever and they want it all now, in this
corporeal life, thus they need others to give it up in the name of
making themselves richer. Zionists are the modern embodiment of those
people, and the Catholics are their unwitting allies, along with
probably 80% of the rest who claim to be Christian. One of the branches
of the Protestants actually resolved to remove themselves from
investments that involved Zionist interests. They were threatened.

Now let me ask you, who is it that threatened them ? Who do you think ?

Despite Christianity's up front charity, I see it as the most selfish
religion in the world. Turn the other cheeck and guess what, most
assailants will hit that cheeck and the proceed to rob you and your
family, and possibly rape your Wife or whatever. You might live out in
the wilderness and they will steal even what you NEED to survive, so
you and your family dies, but it's OK because you are going to heaven.

Let the world go to hell in a handbasket, as long as I'm OK.

I admit I haven't done much to change the world, it's a tall order and
I simply don't have the means. I do firmly believe that what we don't
need is more of these Christians who will not stand up to "evil" in
their own backyard but believe that we should be bombing Iraq.

I don't believe their interpretation, one small piece of "proof", why
did Jesus throw the moneychangers out of the temple ? Didn't sound like
he turned the other cheeck, at least not his own. He stood up for what
is right, and these supposed Christians of today only do that based on
the church teaching. They are taught not to have a mind of their own.

The whole thing reminds me of an old episode or Star Trek original
where everybody was under the strict control of Landreau. Kirk wrecked
the computer and the people had no idea what to do with themselves.
It's a pity we can't do this here.

Nietzsche called it nihilistic, a loose translation at best. The root
of the word annihilate. Now sometimes the prefix an- would make it a
negative, but there are other exceptions in the English language. Even
if it is "life"alistic instead of "death"alistic, it means some other
life than this corporeal one we appear to live.

Another thing, another contradiction is that while it is wrong to take
your own life no matter what, it is OK do let someone kill you. Genius,
pure genius on the part of those who obviously don't it believe because
they invented it. Euthenasia is a perfect example. Not only is it wrong
to blow your own brains out, even if you have terminal cancer and have
a week to live while your twin bother got shot and it obliterated a
vital organ and is otherwise in good health, it's still wrong even if
you are in constant excruciating pain that cannot be helped by drugs.
You are supposed to sit there and pray. Utter bullshit. No leader of
mine wants that.

Anyway, I don't want to run this thread into eternity, so I'm going to
stop. If not I would be clogging up the NG and that's exactly what I
complained about. I don't play "do as I say not as I do", my simple,
paganistic, inferior and supposedly non-existent morality won't let me.

The email is good in the aol domain. If you want to continue this you
can get ahold of me. ZZactly. We can also take it to another NG if you
know where. A Christian NG would not ne appropriate, I don't want to
offend those who don't offend me. ( not bad for a heathen animal eh ? )

I would really prefer a NG instead of email, I want to be public about
this.

JURB

 

HA, I'll help !

JURB

 

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THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION OF YOUR LIFE



This is the most important question of your life.

The question is: Are you saved?

It is not a question of how good you are, nor if you
are a church member, but are you saved?

Are you sure you will go to Heaven when you die?

The reason some people don't know for sure if they are
going to Heaven when they die is because they just
don't know.

The good news is that you can know for sure that you
are going to Heaven.

The Holy Bible describes Heaven as a beautiful place
with no death, sorrow, sickness or pain.

God tells us in the Holy Bible how simple it is to be
saved so that we can live forever with Him in Heaven.

"For if you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and
believe in your heart that God raised Him from the
dead, you will be saved." (Romans 10:9)

Over 2000 years ago God came from Heaven to earth in
the person of Jesus Christ to shed His blood and die
on a cross to pay our sin debt in full.

Jesus Christ was born in Israel supernaturally to a
virgin Jewish woman named Mary and lived a sinless
life for thirty-three years.

At the age of thirty-three Jesus was scourged and
had a crown of thorns pressed onto His head then
Jesus was crucified.

Three days after Jesus died on a cross and was placed
in a grave Jesus rose from the dead as Jesus said
would happen before Jesus died.

If someone tells you that they are going to die
and then three days later come back to life and it
actually happens then this person must be the real deal.

Jesus Christ is the only person that ever lived a
perfect sinless life.

This is why Jesus is able to cover our sins(misdeeds)
with His own blood because Jesus is sinless.

The Holy Bible says, "In Him(Jesus) we have redemption
through His blood, the forgiveness of sins..."
(Ephesians 1:7)

If you would like God to forgive you of your past,
present and future sins just ask Jesus Christ to be
your Lord and Saviour.

It doesn't matter how old you are or how many bad
things that you have done in your life including
lying and stealing all the way up to murder.

Just pray the prayer below with your mouth and mean it
from your heart and God will hear you and save you.

Dear Jesus Christ, I want to be saved so that I can
have a home in Heaven with You when I die. I agree
with You that I am a sinner. I believe that You love
me and want to save me. I believe that You bled and
died on the cross to pay the penalty for my sins and
that You rose from the dead. Please forgive my sins
and come into my heart and be my Lord and Saviour.
Thanks Lord Jesus Christ for forgiving me and saving
me through Your merciful grace. Amen.

Welcome to the family of God if you just allowed God
to save you.

Now you are a real Christian and you can know for sure
that you will live in Heaven forever when this life
comes to an end.

As a child of God we are to avoid sin(wrongdoing), but
if you do sin the Holy Bible says, "My dear children,
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Those of you that have not yet decided to place your
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Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life: no one
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[John-Del]

Rono whined:

You guys are missing the info!! These units will not run
with high standby B+. Scopes & EEPROM changes won't
fix it. I tried everything I could think of. Just read again. Rono.

Even if the advice you get is wrong, you should be more grateful to
this group which has answered lots of your questions. As it turns
out, the information you did receive WAS CORRECT.

RCA 25" M # 25GT536, chassis # CTC177AG. Unit was dead,
replaced STK-730-010 (shorted), R104 1.5 meg ohm (gone high),
C4105 10UF @ 250 Volt (gone leaky), checked/replaced CR4108
(130 volt line), changed C4402 (warped), 12 volts, & 5 volts standby
is fine, 5 volts to EEPROM, & tact switches, but 130 volt line is +146
volts dc. B+ to LA7610 main jungle IC +7 volts. B+ to horizontal output,
& drive is + 146 volts, & unit won't start. What did I miss? Rono.

The 177 series doesn't regulate at 130, it regulates more like 140 VDC.
This particular smps type doesn't tightly regulate the B+ at standby,
so 145-147 is normal. Once the TV starts and current loads the supply,
it will regulate to within +/- 1 volt at 140.

So if this TV fails to attempt a start with the standby voltages
nominal, you must check a couple of things (and I must repeat myself).
The micro needs to have viable clock and data lines, which need to be
checked with a scope. The micro needs 5 volts and reset line at proper
voltage, and it needs a running clock (plus more). The micro queries
the eeprom, so the SDL is active for about a second at plugin. If the
data doesn't appear at all, you have a system control problem. If the
data appears and doesn't stop after 1 second, the micro isn't
communicating with the eeprom, and is continually trying. The eeprom
could be bad (as another poster suggested), or there is an open
circuit between the micro and eeprom.

If the data appears and stops after 1 second, the system control is
most likely OK, and you need to check the horiz output pin of the T
chip for horiz drive. If it appears, follow the signal to the horiz
drive\output circuit.

If no drive appears, scope the clock and data lines to the T chip. If
they are OK, the T-chip could be bad, the horiz drive Vcc is missing,
or the horiz freq determining components off the T chip are bad.

John

 

You guys are missing the info!!

We are missing info that YOU must provide. If clock and data are clean,
what do you have at the collector of the horizonal DRIVER ?. Do you
have a flatline at B+, a normal waveform, or that ź sine wave you get
when the secondary is open ?

You should be watching the scope as you try to turn it on, to determine
if it's going into immediate shutdown. This can happen silently, and
very fast.

This business is not succeeded in by remembering what it was last time.
You succeed in this business by figuring it out. Then of course you
remember it, but I simply can't be your eyes and ears, and hand to
guide the DVM or scope probe.

If you're not into scopes, the SDA and SCL lines on the EPROM should be
a few tenths under Vcc, and equal. If the discepancy is more then 0.3V
and unequal you most likely have a bad EPROM. If changed and the
symptom persists, one of the chips on the bus has a bad I2C interface.

You might just have a bad fly, the HOT waveform will tell you that.

You might also give second thought before the next time that you say
that "WE" have missed something. Last I checked now, four respodents to
your post are quite skilled (I guess that includes me in this case). I
don't really know Kip, but in this case he made a valid point, as far
as David, Dan and John go, they are definitely the kind of techs that
each successful shop needs at least one of to thrive. (or even survive)

FWIW, you need a scope and to know how to use it, then you wouldn't
have even asked the question. One positive thing, you only need about a
20Mhz scope for most TV work, they are cheap.

Don't sweat it, live and learn, learn and live.

JURB

 

Indeed, this has been the most important question since at least the
era belonging to mesopotamia. How can you so easily breezIly, truly
believe that this is not a question of how good one is. A
soteriological debate is always a challenging one, as most parties have
a vested interest in being corrrect. Who doesn't want to be saved? If
one could secure oneself salvation absolutely through acts, grace, or
worship, then that would be quite the simplified solution for anyone
with a conscious or the ability to control one's free-will - In other
words, any human can be saved provided their acts, thoughts, and
beliefs are in line with the divine. However, there are many that
contend that even in the event that one acts in a righteous manner,
that salvation is still a matter of pure faith and whether the person
is chosen by the divine for salvation, and that goodwill is not in the
equation. Still others believe that faith alone will gaurantee one's
salvation - that just by having faith in god, god will forgive them off
any sins and they will be saved.
Furthermore where were you when the bible was written and how do you
claim to know that it is the truth? Any average man could have
possibly taken to the pen and now you are the follower without thought.

Jesus was just a Jewish man. Sure - perhaps he carried out a mission,
but how can one forget his creator? Why would one believe that praying
to Jesus, based on what another man, who had to have lied, wrote, ....
c'mon! And Mary was a virgin!? right.
Is it really feasible that Jesus died for us?
please advise
thank you.

 

[ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com]

RLG101164@yahoo.com wrote:

God tells us in the Holy Bible how simple it is to be
saved so that we can live forever with Him in Heaven.

"For if you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and
believe in your heart that God raised Him from the
dead, you will be saved." (Romans 10:9)

Gods tell us in the works of Shakespeare:
"And when love speaks, the voice of all the gods makes heaven drowsy
with the harmony."

These are the words of Shakespeare, not the words of Gods, you say?
Likewise, your quote is the words of Paul, not the words of God.

 

[Bill]

Prophy or cavities?

--

Christopher A. Young



So religious belief is basically . . . . a prophy??

Even with a prophy, I'll bet it's still necessary to apply
philosophical floss on a daily basis.

And even then, it won't work if you still indulge in too many "sweets."


- dentaldoc

 

[Floyd L. Davidson]

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:55:33 -0800, floyd@barrow.com (Floyd L.
Davidson) wrote:

No discussion John. I don't waste time teaching basics to grown
men who have temper tantrums in public.

You're confusing a temper tantrum with getting a dressing down you
thoroughly deserve. You're a poser pretending to knowledge and skills
you don't have, for the purpose of elevating yourself to a station
which you yearn to occupy, but can't.

If you wish to end the discussion or exit the thread, then just do it.
There's really no need for parting shots unless you find it necessary
to have the last word before you run away.

--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer
^^^^^^^^^^^^

Posting public articles like the above may well cost you employment
in the future.

--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@barrow.com

 

[Dr. Polemic]

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:12:33 -0500, John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:15:06 -0800, floyd@barrow.com (Floyd L.
Davidson) wrote:


I knew a fellow one time who put together a nice little
experiment where he bolted everything together with nice shiny
nickel-cadmium plated screws.

---
Nickel-cadmium usually refers to the metals used in fabricating a
family of secondary cells used in redchargeable batteries, while
cadmium, by itself, was once used to plate mechanical fasteners.

Just one more inconsistency in his postings. I didn't even mention the nickel component
in his alleged plating because it, like gold, has a vapor pressure of about 10^-11 torr at
around 800 degrees, and thus won't boil at 20 degrees even in interstellar space.

But I think you're right. I've never heard of Nickel-cadmium plating of screws, but I
used to use cad plated hardware all the time.

It
has dropped out of favor and its use may now be prohibited for that
purpose due to its toxicity and effect on the environment.

 

[Dr. Polemic]

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 10:11:03 -0800, floyd@barrow.com (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:32:09 -0800, floyd@barrow.com (Floyd L.
Davidson) wrote:

Dr. Polemic <nospam@aol.com> wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 01:14:42 -0800, floyd@barrow.com (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:

Dr. Polemic <nospam@aol.com> wrote:
Danged, several weeks of work shot because it just hadn't
occurred to him that ni-cad would boil at room temperature.

I doubt that it *boils* at room temperature; evaporates slowly, maybe. At least, not at
the temperature of any rooms I've been in.

Oh, it boiled off!

So, tell me, what is the vapor pressure of Cadmium at 20 degrees C?

I don't know. Look it up.

Takes a nice little vaccuum pump to do it though.

---
Yer fulla shit.

Well John, it probably was cadmium plating, not ni-cad. And I'm
not sure what the actual temperature was, though it certainly
wasn't much above room temperature (the experiment failed before
it was exposed to significant nuclear radiation, which would
have provided heat).

However, the metal plating on the hardware boiled!

Here's a chart you might want to look at.

The information on this web page doesn't indicate directly what the vapor pressure of
cadmium is at 20 degrees, but extrapolating the numbers in the table gives a value of
10^-12 torr at 30 degrees. It takes more than a "nice little vacuum pump" to achieve
this. But I see that you're waffling now; you now say that "I'm not sure what the actual
temperature was". I would certainly agree that cadmium can be made to boil if the
temperature is high enough, but you claimed "room temperature". One thing is pretty
certain; you weren't "boiling" cadmium at 20 degrees because you have to get the pressure
below the vapor pressure of cadmium at 20 degrees before it "boils" and a "nice little
vacuum pump" of 40 years ago couldn't do that under a bell jar.

Note the relative
vapor pressure of cadmium compared to other metals. Then think
about "a nice little vacuum pump".

Think about why the graphs on that web page don't go below 10^-7 torr. Then think about
cadmium's (extrapolated) vapor pressure of 10^-12 torr at 30 degrees.

http://www.veeco.com/learning/learning_vaporelements.asp

My point, since it went right over your head

Did this go over your head, John?

when stated as a
puzzle, is that temperature alone is not what defines when
something "boils", and some materials that you wouldn't normally
think of in terms of a vapor can in fact "boil". "Out-gas"
might be a better term.

 

[The Phantom]

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 10:58:11 -0700, Don Lancaster <don@tinaja.com> wrote:

Don Bowey wrote:
No other esoteric, mindless
definitions are needed even though the terms AC and DC may be misnomers.
They are historic and work very well.

Don


The only tiny problem is that the definitions are wrong.

Please give us the correct definitions. In an earlier post you said:

'"DC" is simply the first (or "offset" term in the Fourier expression of
any repetitive waveform.

"AC" are all of the remaining components.'

But then in your next post you said:

'"AC" or "DC" are gross and meaningless oversimplifications.'

Does this comment apply to your own earlier definitions? Are you saying that even you
can't give definitions to AC and DC that aren't "gross and meaningless
oversimplifications"?

 

[Floyd L. Davidson]

Don Bowey <dbowey@comcast.net> wrote:

On 6/14/05 2:28 AM, in article 87oea9p9s6.fld@barrow.com, "Floyd L.
Davidson" <floyd@barrow.com> wrote:
I agree with your examples of DC power supplies and AC noise. Been there,
done that.

Defining how may angels can dance on a DC power cable without having to
redefine it is pointless, however. Everyone I knew in the telco industry
had good, workable terms for the cause of the need for filters, not only at
the FB, but at the equipment rack too; it was noise, trash, crap.
spikes....., but the 48V and 130V "power" were always DC and we knew the
noise had to be dealt with as AC riding the DC. No other esoteric, mindless
definitions are needed even though the terms AC and DC may be misnomers.
They are historic and work very well.

Exactly.

But look at all the people claiming it *isn't* AC! Very clearly
anyone who claims the various "noise, trash, crap, spikes" etc
are *not* AC, needs a reality check on their definition of AC.

On the other hand, while their definition and understanding of
it is clearly invalid, there is no lack of wide spread belief
that it is correct. Which I do find somewhat amazing...

--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@barrow.com

 

[Dr. Polemic]

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:58:46 GMT, Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net> wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 10:54:37 -0700, Dr.Polemic wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:07:05 -0400, John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote:
John Fields wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:32:09 -0800, floyd@barrow.com (Floyd L.
Davidson) wrote:
Dr. Polemic <nospam@aol.com> wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 01:14:42 -0800, floyd@barrow.com (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
Dr. Polemic <nospam@aol.com> wrote:
snip
No way did he "...get ni-cad to boil at room temperature (by) simply
reduc(ing) the pressure to something *significantly* below its vapor
pressure. We did it knowingly with gold too once..."

Gold has a vapor pressure of 10^-11 torr at about 800 degrees. I don't think gold will
boil even in interstellar space (10^-17 torr) at 20 degrees. It *will* evaporate, though;
so will tungsten! Slowly!

Takes a nice little vaccuum pump to do it though.

Yer fulla shit.

I think he is confusing boiling with sputtering.

But he says it *boiled*; he couldn't be mistaken, could he?

Or maybe just sublimation. And he didn't say the chamber was held at
room temperature.

What he said was: "Danged, several weeks of work shot because it just hadn't
occurred to him that ni-cad would boil at room temperature." I suppose I could say that
tungsten exaporates at room temperature and then say that I didn't say that the filament
wan't held at room temperature; I just meant that the room was at room temperature.

What's the vapor pressure of zinc at 20C?

10^-8 torr at 123 degrees C. And, of course it will evaporate at 10^-8 torr and 20
degrees, but it *won't* boil. At 10^-8 torr, it will *boil* at 123 degrees.

I once worked at a place
where their product used a UHV bell jar - that's "Ultrahigh vacuum".
They didn't even have an oil-based pump in the building. They started
with an ordinary sorption pump, then they had ion pumps and molecular
inertial pumps, and getter pumps, and the sexiest was the cryopump.

One day one of the vacuum engineers came into the shop from the line,
fit to be tied. It seems someone had supplied feedthroughs with brass
contacts. The zinc ruined some stuff, and wasted about a week from
having to clean out the bell jar.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Kitchen Man]

On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 03:36:15 -0500, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

It
is my belief that the widespread disagreement is due to participants
that just like to argue a lot.

---
No, they don't. ;^)

Look, this isn't an argument, it's just contradiction!

--
Al Brennan

"If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9,
then you would have a key to the universe." Nicola Tesla

 

[b]

David FitzGerald wrote:

It's an KV24LS35.
I had a guy around to look at it, said it would cost about Ł100 for
the parts and Ł70 for labour, and even then there is another part
that could be broken which he would not be able to tell if it was or
not until he replaced the first one. So it would be Ł170 to see if it
worked, and possibly another Ł80.
A bin job, basically.
So, now to either get an ultra cheap crapo TV, or a TFT which I will
put into the bedroom when the plasma fund matures

Don't get any cheapo set unless you wan to to go shopping again in 16
months time.
As for your sony, this set uses the LE2 chassis, the error code 11
flashes = transistors Q606,Q607, resistor R603(0R1) open or changed
value, and possibly capacitor C641(470UF35V). Total cost of those
components about a tenner.

6 flashes means its the line transistor.

get a DECENT tech to look at it, dont get a call out, take it in
somewhere. if repaired it will probebly long outlive any cheapo turkish
shit from the supermarket.

hope this helps, Ben

 

[David FitzGerald]

I was thinking of a cheapo set with the express intention of getting
something much better in a year or so's time.

Any ideas of a decent place to take it in London? I'm in N1.

David.

 

[b]

Richard Colton wrote:

"b" <reverend_rogers@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1118840491.065062.300590@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


David FitzGerald wrote:
It's an KV24LS35.
I had a guy around to look at it, said it would cost about Ł100 for
the parts and Ł70 for labour, and even then there is another part
that could be broken which he would not be able to tell if it was or
not until he replaced the first one. So it would be Ł170 to see if it
worked, and possibly another Ł80.
A bin job, basically.
So, now to either get an ultra cheap crapo TV, or a TFT which I will
put into the bedroom when the plasma fund matures

Don't get any cheapo set unless you wan to to go shopping again in 16
months time.

Here we go with the crap advice again! Go and look up The Sale Of Goods Act
(visiting RETRA's website would be a good idea as well) and you'll soon see
why any TV should last considerably longer than sixteen months, and the
legal remedies you have should it not do so.

If we're talking "crap advice" here, then it's your standard line
:spouting off about the SOGA , taking people to court etc etc. which
all sounds fine in theory but in practise entails complications,
expense and time. Change the record! All of that could be saved in the
first place through careful buying to reduce the chances of your having
to pursue such a legal avenue.

And, to get back to the original issue: not attempting to repair a half
decent TV ( which for all we know *could* be a question of replacing a
few off-the-shelf components of little cost), and instead condemning it
to the landfill, is not only environmentally unsustainable, it is
downright stupid.

-B.

 

[David FitzGerald]

Richard Colton wrote:

"b" <reverend_rogers@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1118840491.065062.300590@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

get a DECENT tech to look at it, dont get a call out, take it in
somewhere.

Now that IS good advice.

If only I knew of one... without a reccomendation, how does one know
who is good or not? The guy I had over (Ł20) seemed to know his stuff
and reckons it is uneconomical to repair.

Turns out I ought to be covered on my household insurance, though.
Still, I'd lov to get it repaired - but by whom?

D.