The Truth about Corona Virus Situation and what every person

[Bill Sloman]

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 12:53:00 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 13:46:30 +0100, David Brown
david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

On 20/03/2020 00:19, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 15:56:58 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 12:40:07 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Looks like chloroquine plus azithromycin knocks the Wu flu dead.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTi-g18ftNZUMRAj2SwRPodtscFio7bJ7GdNgbJAGbdfF67WuRJB3ZsidgpidB2eocFHAVjIL-7deJ7/pub
https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Hydroxychloroquine_final_DOI_IJAA.pdf
Hope it pans out on a large scale!

Me too, but there might be a political problem:

Why Hasn’t Tony Fauci Been at the Coronavirus Press Conferences?
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/tony-fauci-at-coronavirus-press-conferences.html
Quoting...

One person who has expressed a more skeptical view of chloroquine is
task force member and immunologist Anthony Fauci, the veteran face of
the country’s response to disease outbreaks. But Fauci has not
appeared at a press conference since Tuesday, when Trump said he had
become a major television star.

Fauci for the past two days had been saying that chloroquine is not a
miracle cure and that we still need to determine its safety.

Speaking to Laura Ingraham on Fox News on Tuesday, Fauci said, "We
have to be careful, Laura, that we don’t assume something works based
on an anecdotal report that’s not controlled. And I refer specifically
to hydroxychloroquine. There’s a lot of buzz out there on the internet
on the social media about that."

On Wednesday, he reiterated this message in an interview with CNN’s
Chris Cuomo, saying he supported large-scale clinical trials but was
against "just throwing the drug out there, which is not a good idea."

We don't have enough people really ill from C19 to have large-scale
clinical trials. We already know the drug is safe, so it's unlikely to
do any harm. Get a dozen sick people to volunteer and see what
happens.

Some adventurous doctors should do that now. It's available and legal
to prescribe.


It is conceivable that you are smart at electronics, but you really
haven't the faintest clue about anything related to this virus, medical
procedures, drugs, testing, etc.

You, like a lot of people here, switch to insults when they can't make
sense.

Sadly, that's not an insult but an obvious fact that you don't want to hear..

If these drugs work, and are unlikely to cause harm, why not
administer them now, to a goodly number of gravely ill people, and see
what happens. If it helps, we could be using these common drugs in
mass, within a month, and save lives.

And if it doesn't, it will kill a few people who might not otherwise have died.

Is it better to conduct careful clinical trials for a couple of years?

Nobody understands how this virus actually works, or why the drugs may
help. So try things and see what saves lives.

Virologists have a pretty exact idea of how the virus actually works - it's pretty similar to other corona viruses which have been around for years.

It's less lethal than MERS and SARS, and more lethal than the corona virus which accounts for about a quarter of the cases of the common cold.

What the drugs might be doing inside an infected cell is harder to work out, and the likeliest situation is that they aren't doing anything.

You are mostly harmless, in that no one takes you seriously in this
discussion - you are a target of ridicule, not a source of information.

I'm a engineer. Signals and systems and dynamics and measurement and
causality are my life. As in figuring out what works and doing it.

You claim to be an engineer, but look a lot more like a tinkerer. You can see what works, but figuring it out by writing down numbers and manipulating them doesn't seem to be your strong point.

The problem is you represent an unpleasantly large proportion of people
who are equally ignorant, thoughtless and selfish, with an equally
overinflated idea of their own competence. And the biggest problem the
USA faces is that they are lead by the prime example of this kind of
determined, paranoid idiocy.

So now any American doctors trying to do the right thing in testing
drugs on this virus are going to be pressured on one side by half-wit
politicians whose only concern is trying to look good on television, and
desperate relatives on the other side who want their sick relative cured
and don't care about anyone else.

I'd want my sick relative cured. I'd take those drugs if I got
seriously sick with this virus, which is a parts-per-million
probability just now.

The problem with exponential rates of growth is that what's a parts per million chance (46 ppm)right now could be a virtual certainty after 35 days.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Singapore, Taiwan and Hong Kong acted fast enough to avoid an epidemic, and China seems to have contained the epidemic it had.

Italy doesn't seem to be doing quite as well.

If you were dying from a C19 infection, and were offered these drugs
now, before proper clinical trials were published and meta-analyzed,
would you take them?

How would I know I was dying? I could clearly be aware that I was sick, but doctors are much better at working out when a patient is going to die than the patient is, and the sick patient isn't going to be at their intellectual best, even if they did know what to look for.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 07:28:16 -0700 (PDT), Whoey Louie
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 8:46:34 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
On 20/03/2020 00:19, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 15:56:58 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 12:40:07 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Looks like chloroquine plus azithromycin knocks the Wu flu dead.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTi-g18ftNZUMRAj2SwRPodtscFio7bJ7GdNgbJAGbdfF67WuRJB3ZsidgpidB2eocFHAVjIL-7deJ7/pub
https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Hydroxychloroquine_final_DOI_IJAA.pdf
Hope it pans out on a large scale!

Me too, but there might be a political problem:

Why Hasn’t Tony Fauci Been at the Coronavirus Press Conferences?
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/tony-fauci-at-coronavirus-press-conferences.html
Quoting...

One person who has expressed a more skeptical view of chloroquine is
task force member and immunologist Anthony Fauci, the veteran face of
the country’s response to disease outbreaks. But Fauci has not
appeared at a press conference since Tuesday, when Trump said he had
become a major television star.

Fauci for the past two days had been saying that chloroquine is not a
miracle cure and that we still need to determine its safety.

Speaking to Laura Ingraham on Fox News on Tuesday, Fauci said, "We
have to be careful, Laura, that we don’t assume something works based
on an anecdotal report that’s not controlled. And I refer specifically
to hydroxychloroquine. There’s a lot of buzz out there on the internet
on the social media about that."

On Wednesday, he reiterated this message in an interview with CNN’s
Chris Cuomo, saying he supported large-scale clinical trials but was
against "just throwing the drug out there, which is not a good idea."

We don't have enough people really ill from C19 to have large-scale
clinical trials. We already know the drug is safe, so it's unlikely to
do any harm. Get a dozen sick people to volunteer and see what
happens.

Some adventurous doctors should do that now. It's available and legal
to prescribe.


It is conceivable that you are smart at electronics, but you really
haven't the faintest clue about anything related to this virus, medical
procedures, drugs, testing, etc.

But that is exactly what we are doing. The first Covid patient in the
US was given Remdesivir, for example. And now we are starting to do that
with Chloroquine. Many other countries are doing exactly that too and
we are learning from it. What he's suggesting is't wrong or unusual.

I think it's necessary and profoundly moral to give some gravely ill
people these drugs. Some people would rather let a lot of people die,
do leisurely studies for a couple of years. The virus will probably be
gone long before then.

The response to our position will, as usual, be lame insults.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
"Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 11:23:58 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 15:18:52 +0100, David Brown
david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

On 20/03/2020 14:52, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 13:46:30 +0100, David Brown
david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

On 20/03/2020 00:19, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 15:56:58 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 12:40:07 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Looks like chloroquine plus azithromycin knocks the Wu flu dead.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTi-g18ftNZUMRAj2SwRPodtscFio7bJ7GdNgbJAGbdfF67WuRJB3ZsidgpidB2eocFHAVjIL-7deJ7/pub
https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Hydroxychloroquine_final_DOI_IJAA.pdf
Hope it pans out on a large scale!

Me too, but there might be a political problem:

Why Hasn’t Tony Fauci Been at the Coronavirus Press Conferences?
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/tony-fauci-at-coronavirus-press-conferences.html
Quoting...

One person who has expressed a more skeptical view of chloroquine is
task force member and immunologist Anthony Fauci, the veteran face of
the country’s response to disease outbreaks. But Fauci has not
appeared at a press conference since Tuesday, when Trump said he had
become a major television star.

Fauci for the past two days had been saying that chloroquine is not a
miracle cure and that we still need to determine its safety.

Speaking to Laura Ingraham on Fox News on Tuesday, Fauci said, "We
have to be careful, Laura, that we don’t assume something works based
on an anecdotal report that’s not controlled. And I refer specifically
to hydroxychloroquine. There’s a lot of buzz out there on the internet
on the social media about that."

On Wednesday, he reiterated this message in an interview with CNN’s
Chris Cuomo, saying he supported large-scale clinical trials but was
against "just throwing the drug out there, which is not a good idea.."

We don't have enough people really ill from C19 to have large-scale
clinical trials. We already know the drug is safe, so it's unlikely to
do any harm. Get a dozen sick people to volunteer and see what
happens.

Some adventurous doctors should do that now. It's available and legal
to prescribe.


It is conceivable that you are smart at electronics, but you really
haven't the faintest clue about anything related to this virus, medical
procedures, drugs, testing, etc.

You, like a lot of people here, switch to insults when they can't make
sense.

I, and several others (especially Rick C) have made a lot of sense.
Your mind-numbing determined ignorance is impenetrable, however - it's
not worth the effort trying to get through that thick skull.

Google about double-blind testing and drug testing. If you are having
trouble, find a ten year old to help you.

More insults, more refusal to discuss possibilities. I suspect you
design electronics by copying published circuits, if you design at
all.



If you were dying from a C19 infection, and were offered these drugs
now, before proper clinical trials were published and meta-analyzed,
would you take them?


Would I stand by my principles about what is good for the thousands and
millions coming after me, or would I desperately cling to any straw I
could find? I'd like to say I'd volunteer to be part of a trial, rather
than demanding the drugs, even though at least half the people on the
trial will get placebos. I can't tell you if I'd be brave enough for
that, however - probably not.

I'd absolutely take them. If it does help sick people, it will save
lives. Now. Wouldn't that be good for "the thousands and
millions" ?

OK, I expect another round of content-free insults.


And that is /exactly/ why these decisions must be made by medical
authorities - with no influence from the patients, their relatives,
meddling ignorant politicians, or the doctors and medical staff treating
the patients who never get to know who gets the real drugs and who gets
the placebos. You need a cold, clinical, bureaucratic authority to say
"We will test these 100 patients with a double-blind test. 50 will
receive the drug. 50 will receive a placebo. If the drug works, some
of these 50 placebo patients will die even though the drug could have
saved them. This is a sacrifice humanity must make to gain the
knowledge to save thousands or millions afterwards".


Why use a placebo? We could give a cluster of sick patients the drugs
now and compare their outcome to other clusters who don't get them.
See how many die.

Or give another cluster some sugar pills if you think that will help.
But do it NOW.

It is being done now here and it has already been done for months abroad.
The first Covid patient here was given Remdesivir, which is not even
approved. I pretty much agree with you on this, especially with
drugs like chloroquine which are already approved for other uses.
The govt needs to give doctors more freedom to use them, in their
own judgment and to not have to worry about being sued because it's
off label.

At the same time we are doing carefully controlled blind studies.
It's not like we're talking about a possible treatment for acne,
so far the death rate for this among 95K closed cases worldwide
is 10%.

 

On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 09:22:17 +0000, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On 19/03/2020 09:37, Winfield Hill wrote:
skybuck2000@hotmail.com wrote...

The truth in the Netherlands is as follows ...
(ICU=Intensive Care Unit)

1. Less than 300 free intensive care units / beds are
available on a population of 17 million. The rest are
already occupied, in total there are 1150 ICU units.

We're moving to total isolation, to stop any further
spreading beyond those already infected. This isn't
a good long-term solution, and new spreading centers
will start once we relax the isolation. But what we

Indeed. At the moment the only game in town is to try and manage the
infection growth rate and wait for herd immunity to develop slowly
without completely saturating the intensive care units.

It will be interesting to see how long it is before California's health
system gets completely overwhelmed.

There's less doubt about when the economy will crater, with most
people unemployed.

The mandatory social isolation thing isn't working much here anyhow.
Lots of people are out.



They are running blind since US

virus testing is such a complete mess. About a week behind the UK on
average and perhaps 3 weeks behind London where things are now tricky.

haven't been hearing much about is new therapeutics,
custom-designed to help severely-compromised Covid-19
victims survive, without the use of ICU beds. Once we
have that, we can safely cease the isolation approach.
The therapeutics will be easier to manufacture, and
only relatively-small quantities will be required,
compared to a vaccine, which must be population-wide.
There are 50 companies working on therapeutics, and
several claim to already have working results.

Most them are pump and dump stock scams with no reality.

Aided and abetted by Trump giving them free publicity.

Much like that phantom blood testing start-up scam.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45418615

We might have a viable vaccine in 12 months time in sufficient
quantities to do something useful but by then it may be too late.

It will probably burn out a lot sooner than that. Possibly when warm
weather arrives. Unfortunately, there is a real cold snap now in a lot
of the USA.

Has anyone correlated C19 rates to temperature?









--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
"Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"

 

On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 15:18:52 +0100, David Brown
<david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

On 20/03/2020 14:52, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 13:46:30 +0100, David Brown
david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

On 20/03/2020 00:19, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 15:56:58 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 12:40:07 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Looks like chloroquine plus azithromycin knocks the Wu flu dead.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTi-g18ftNZUMRAj2SwRPodtscFio7bJ7GdNgbJAGbdfF67WuRJB3ZsidgpidB2eocFHAVjIL-7deJ7/pub
https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Hydroxychloroquine_final_DOI_IJAA.pdf
Hope it pans out on a large scale!

Me too, but there might be a political problem:

Why Hasn’t Tony Fauci Been at the Coronavirus Press Conferences?
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/tony-fauci-at-coronavirus-press-conferences.html
Quoting...

One person who has expressed a more skeptical view of chloroquine is
task force member and immunologist Anthony Fauci, the veteran face of
the country’s response to disease outbreaks. But Fauci has not
appeared at a press conference since Tuesday, when Trump said he had
become a major television star.

Fauci for the past two days had been saying that chloroquine is not a
miracle cure and that we still need to determine its safety.

Speaking to Laura Ingraham on Fox News on Tuesday, Fauci said, "We
have to be careful, Laura, that we don’t assume something works based
on an anecdotal report that’s not controlled. And I refer specifically
to hydroxychloroquine. There’s a lot of buzz out there on the internet
on the social media about that."

On Wednesday, he reiterated this message in an interview with CNN’s
Chris Cuomo, saying he supported large-scale clinical trials but was
against "just throwing the drug out there, which is not a good idea."

We don't have enough people really ill from C19 to have large-scale
clinical trials. We already know the drug is safe, so it's unlikely to
do any harm. Get a dozen sick people to volunteer and see what
happens.

Some adventurous doctors should do that now. It's available and legal
to prescribe.


It is conceivable that you are smart at electronics, but you really
haven't the faintest clue about anything related to this virus, medical
procedures, drugs, testing, etc.

You, like a lot of people here, switch to insults when they can't make
sense.

I, and several others (especially Rick C) have made a lot of sense.
Your mind-numbing determined ignorance is impenetrable, however - it's
not worth the effort trying to get through that thick skull.

Google about double-blind testing and drug testing. If you are having
trouble, find a ten year old to help you.

More insults, more refusal to discuss possibilities. I suspect you
design electronics by copying published circuits, if you design at
all.

If you were dying from a C19 infection, and were offered these drugs
now, before proper clinical trials were published and meta-analyzed,
would you take them?


Would I stand by my principles about what is good for the thousands and
millions coming after me, or would I desperately cling to any straw I
could find? I'd like to say I'd volunteer to be part of a trial, rather
than demanding the drugs, even though at least half the people on the
trial will get placebos. I can't tell you if I'd be brave enough for
that, however - probably not.

I'd absolutely take them. If it does help sick people, it will save
lives. Now. Wouldn't that be good for "the thousands and
millions" ?

OK, I expect another round of content-free insults.

And that is /exactly/ why these decisions must be made by medical
authorities - with no influence from the patients, their relatives,
meddling ignorant politicians, or the doctors and medical staff treating
the patients who never get to know who gets the real drugs and who gets
the placebos. You need a cold, clinical, bureaucratic authority to say
"We will test these 100 patients with a double-blind test. 50 will
receive the drug. 50 will receive a placebo. If the drug works, some
of these 50 placebo patients will die even though the drug could have
saved them. This is a sacrifice humanity must make to gain the
knowledge to save thousands or millions afterwards".

Why use a placebo? We could give a cluster of sick patients the drugs
now and compare their outcome to other clusters who don't get them.
See how many die.

Or give another cluster some sugar pills if you think that will help.
But do it NOW.




--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
"Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"

 

[Rick C]

On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 10:06:56 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:

On 20/03/2020 14:22, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 13:32:11 +0100, David Brown
david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

On 20/03/2020 02:08, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

News:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-fda-experimental-drugs-coronavirus

Wow, if it works DT will be a hero.


That sad thing is, there will be a large number of naĂŻve and ignorant
Americans who will think he /is/ a hero here. All he has done is got
things completely wrong, contradicting his expert staff at every step
(including here), and making random decisions that he thinks will make
the stock market go up. But like a stopped clock, he occasionally gets
something right by luck - and his drolling zombie followers think he is
a genius for his few successes, while all his uncountable mistakes are
just a Democrat / media conspiracy.

Obviously I hope the drugs here work - but even if they do, Trump is
doing more harm than good as he screws up American doctors' ability to
test them properly.

The drugs are available and known to be safe. If some people are
dying, it may save lives to use them now. If it works, use them
widely. If "testing properly" means years of careful clinical trials
and peer-reviewed papers, delay years until the virus has burned out,
people will die. What DT says is his sensible: go for it now and see
what happens.

No doubt some people will, and we will see if these drugs help.

Let me repeat - you haven't a clue how drug testing works.
Regurgitating shite from Trump does nothing but prove your ignorance and
naĂŻvety.

I can appreciate that it all /sounds/ logical to just give people the
drugs and see what happens. But perhaps if you rub a couple of brain
cells together, you'll realise what a bad idea it is.

JL is not a very good thinker. For someone who only understands analog electronics and not digital, his thinking is very binary. He keeps saying the drug is proven "safe" without understanding that it was proven safe for the uses it was tested for. We literally know nothing about its safety for COVID-19 patients or ICU patients. If you challenge him on this he will go non-linear and make fun of the idea that the drug could be dangerous in the ICU.

He is no hero - he is a narcissistic buffoon, whose single skill (and
he's /really/ good at this one) is blowing his own trumpet.

His other rare skills include lack of caution and common sense.


It is true - he /does/ have an unusual lack of common sense. I wouldn't
call that a skill, however.

You responded to a dog whistle. Talking about his lack of common sense is a veiled reference to the poor "common sense" of his opponents.

And you are also right that he has an astounding lack of caution - he
just opens his mouth and lets his belly rumble, in the bizarre belief
that he is an expert on everything. Again, that is not a skill.

I've reached a point where I'm just not going to respond to his posts. Talking to him makes literally no difference in his opinions and he wouldn't recognize a fact if it smacked him in the head. In other words, he is unteachable.

It always amazes me how many respond to his baiting.

It is sad, but if he is not taking this disease seriously (which I think he is in spite of his words) he will be creating a potential Darwin moment for himself and his wife.

--

Rick C.

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[Rick C]

On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 10:17:59 AM UTC-4, Whoey Louie wrote:

On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 11:06:16 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 9:42:37 PM UTC-4, Whoey Louie wrote:

I told you it was growing exponentially over a month ago when
you said it was being controlled.

A month ago was the literal beginning of CV19 showing up in the US. There were 15 cases reported for six days in a row and if I recall some of those were people brought back from a cruise ship.

Are you just like Trump? At the time I told you that it was
growing, out of control, it was still in China.

Yes, exactly. It's not growing exponentially in China.

So you were able to discern infections across the country that no one else could see? Why don't you hire yourself out as a walking CV19 test kit?

It was spreading around the world through travelers, but I had hopes that our government was actually not too incompetent to have test kits available and would test everyone who might have the disease. I was wrong about that.

It's naive to think that ever would have been able to contain it.

And yet China and a few other countries have done just that.

We didn't test anyone who we didn't think had exposure. So there were people who had the disease without symptoms that got in and started community spreading. There was zero evidence of that in the data at that time.

No shit Sherlock, but it was clear that it was out of control
in China and spreading.

Yes, in China where it is now contained. You didn't predict that.

Even the CDC's data referring back to date of infection doesn't show the disease growing in the US until about that time which is based on information gathered up to 14 days after infection.

I guess you are prescient? Doesn't matter. I didn't say it wasn't here and spreading. I may have said the numbers didn't indicate it though which they didn't at the time.


You said China had it under control, it was being eliminated.
Sounds like what Trump thought too.

And China does have it under control. In the province where it started there have been no new cases for two days now. The number of infected in China is dropping and is now about 1/10th the peak level.

I hope we can get it under control in the same way.

--

Rick C.

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[Rick C]

On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 12:26:03 PM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:

On 20/03/2020 16:38, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 10:06:56 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
On 20/03/2020 14:22, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 13:32:11 +0100, David Brown
david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:



He is no hero - he is a narcissistic buffoon, whose single
skill (and he's /really/ good at this one) is blowing his own
trumpet.

His other rare skills include lack of caution and common sense.


It is true - he /does/ have an unusual lack of common sense. I
wouldn't call that a skill, however.

You responded to a dog whistle. Talking about his lack of common
sense is a veiled reference to the poor "common sense" of his
opponents.

I hadn't heard that reference (there is a limit to how much Trumpism I
bother to follow from over here). Trump clearly /thinks/ he has a lot
of common sense, but he doesn't - his connection with reality is vague
at best.

"Dog whistle" is more of a conservative thing than a Trump thing. It's a phrase that only has meaning to your followers. A lot of conservatives here will talk in dog whistles and feel like they've made a statement when they really have said nothing at all to anyone who doesn't know the code.

And you are also right that he has an astounding lack of caution -
he just opens his mouth and lets his belly rumble, in the bizarre
belief that he is an expert on everything. Again, that is not a
skill.

I've reached a point where I'm just not going to respond to his
posts. Talking to him makes literally no difference in his opinions
and he wouldn't recognize a fact if it smacked him in the head. In
other words, he is unteachable.


Wise advice.

It always amazes me how many respond to his baiting.

It is sad, but if he is not taking this disease seriously (which I
think he is in spite of his words) he will be creating a potential
Darwin moment for himself and his wife.


What is sad is that I don't think he is alone in the way he thinks. I
just hope it is a small minority.

What JL and others think is not so important. What is important is how our leader think and act.

Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson wants to minimize this disease.

“People are going to have to work. People do need to recognize the fact that this is not Ebola. This is not MERS. It's not quite the seasonal flu,”

So he is echoing comparisons to the flu. He also seems to think between 1% and 3.4% death rates are perfectly acceptable costs to keep the factories open. There is no reason to keep making autos and other items. Few people are going out to buy them. That's the real reason why GM and other automakers shut down. They knew they would only be creating a huge inventory of cars they couldn't sell.

Yeah, the economy is going to take a hit. Better than taking a hit to your health.

That said, I am going to have to go out today for groceries.

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[David Brown]

On 20/03/2020 16:38, Rick C wrote:

On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 10:06:56 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
On 20/03/2020 14:22, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 13:32:11 +0100, David Brown
david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:



He is no hero - he is a narcissistic buffoon, whose single
skill (and he's /really/ good at this one) is blowing his own
trumpet.

His other rare skills include lack of caution and common sense.


It is true - he /does/ have an unusual lack of common sense. I
wouldn't call that a skill, however.

You responded to a dog whistle. Talking about his lack of common
sense is a veiled reference to the poor "common sense" of his
opponents.

I hadn't heard that reference (there is a limit to how much Trumpism I
bother to follow from over here). Trump clearly /thinks/ he has a lot
of common sense, but he doesn't - his connection with reality is vague
at best.

And you are also right that he has an astounding lack of caution -
he just opens his mouth and lets his belly rumble, in the bizarre
belief that he is an expert on everything. Again, that is not a
skill.

I've reached a point where I'm just not going to respond to his
posts. Talking to him makes literally no difference in his opinions
and he wouldn't recognize a fact if it smacked him in the head. In
other words, he is unteachable.

Wise advice.

It always amazes me how many respond to his baiting.

It is sad, but if he is not taking this disease seriously (which I
think he is in spite of his words) he will be creating a potential
Darwin moment for himself and his wife.

What is sad is that I don't think he is alone in the way he thinks. I
just hope it is a small minority.

 

[David Brown]

On 20/03/2020 15:29, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 15:06:51 +0100, David Brown
david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

On 20/03/2020 14:22, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 13:32:11 +0100, David Brown
david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

On 20/03/2020 02:08, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

News:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-fda-experimental-drugs-coronavirus

Wow, if it works DT will be a hero.


That sad thing is, there will be a large number of naĂŻve and ignorant
Americans who will think he /is/ a hero here. All he has done is got
things completely wrong, contradicting his expert staff at every step
(including here), and making random decisions that he thinks will make
the stock market go up. But like a stopped clock, he occasionally gets
something right by luck - and his drolling zombie followers think he is
a genius for his few successes, while all his uncountable mistakes are
just a Democrat / media conspiracy.

Obviously I hope the drugs here work - but even if they do, Trump is
doing more harm than good as he screws up American doctors' ability to
test them properly.

The drugs are available and known to be safe. If some people are
dying, it may save lives to use them now. If it works, use them
widely. If "testing properly" means years of careful clinical trials
and peer-reviewed papers, delay years until the virus has burned out,
people will die. What DT says is his sensible: go for it now and see
what happens.

No doubt some people will, and we will see if these drugs help.

Let me repeat - you haven't a clue how drug testing works.
Regurgitating shite from Trump does nothing but prove your ignorance and
naĂŻvety.

Let me repeat: people who don't want to consider ideas often resort to
insults.

That is true. And perhaps, since you seem to have failed to grasp basic
logic, you think that implies I don't want to consider ideas. This is,
of course, false.

And people who have repeatedly explained things in detail, may also
resort to hard truths. I am not insulting you, I am stating obvious
truths. You have rejected logic, explanations, information, references
to experts, and appeals to your humanity (this is all from many people
here). Sometimes being told clearly that you are being stupid can jerk
people into realising they are wrong - most of us have done something
stupid or said something stupid at times, and appreciate it being
pointed out.

Perhaps you'll just go on thinking this is a mild seasonal flu until you
catch it yourself, and see what state hospitals are in by then.

I can appreciate that it all /sounds/ logical to just give people the
drugs and see what happens. But perhaps if you rub a couple of brain
cells together, you'll realise what a bad idea it is.

Tell us why.

I did.

 

[Rick C]

On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 11:36:44 AM UTC-4, Whoey Louie wrote:

On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 11:23:58 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 15:18:52 +0100, David Brown
david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

On 20/03/2020 14:52, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 13:46:30 +0100, David Brown
david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

On 20/03/2020 00:19, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 15:56:58 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 12:40:07 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Looks like chloroquine plus azithromycin knocks the Wu flu dead.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTi-g18ftNZUMRAj2SwRPodtscFio7bJ7GdNgbJAGbdfF67WuRJB3ZsidgpidB2eocFHAVjIL-7deJ7/pub
https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Hydroxychloroquine_final_DOI_IJAA.pdf
Hope it pans out on a large scale!

Me too, but there might be a political problem:

Why Hasn’t Tony Fauci Been at the Coronavirus Press Conferences?
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/tony-fauci-at-coronavirus-press-conferences.html
Quoting...

One person who has expressed a more skeptical view of chloroquine is
task force member and immunologist Anthony Fauci, the veteran face of
the country’s response to disease outbreaks. But Fauci has not
appeared at a press conference since Tuesday, when Trump said he had
become a major television star.

Fauci for the past two days had been saying that chloroquine is not a
miracle cure and that we still need to determine its safety.

Speaking to Laura Ingraham on Fox News on Tuesday, Fauci said, "We
have to be careful, Laura, that we don’t assume something works based
on an anecdotal report that’s not controlled. And I refer specifically
to hydroxychloroquine. There’s a lot of buzz out there on the internet
on the social media about that."

On Wednesday, he reiterated this message in an interview with CNN’s
Chris Cuomo, saying he supported large-scale clinical trials but was
against "just throwing the drug out there, which is not a good idea."

We don't have enough people really ill from C19 to have large-scale
clinical trials. We already know the drug is safe, so it's unlikely to
do any harm. Get a dozen sick people to volunteer and see what
happens.

Some adventurous doctors should do that now. It's available and legal
to prescribe.


It is conceivable that you are smart at electronics, but you really
haven't the faintest clue about anything related to this virus, medical
procedures, drugs, testing, etc.

You, like a lot of people here, switch to insults when they can't make
sense.

I, and several others (especially Rick C) have made a lot of sense.
Your mind-numbing determined ignorance is impenetrable, however - it's
not worth the effort trying to get through that thick skull.

Google about double-blind testing and drug testing. If you are having
trouble, find a ten year old to help you.

More insults, more refusal to discuss possibilities. I suspect you
design electronics by copying published circuits, if you design at
all.



If you were dying from a C19 infection, and were offered these drugs
now, before proper clinical trials were published and meta-analyzed,
would you take them?


Would I stand by my principles about what is good for the thousands and
millions coming after me, or would I desperately cling to any straw I
could find? I'd like to say I'd volunteer to be part of a trial, rather
than demanding the drugs, even though at least half the people on the
trial will get placebos. I can't tell you if I'd be brave enough for
that, however - probably not.

I'd absolutely take them. If it does help sick people, it will save
lives. Now. Wouldn't that be good for "the thousands and
millions" ?

OK, I expect another round of content-free insults.


And that is /exactly/ why these decisions must be made by medical
authorities - with no influence from the patients, their relatives,
meddling ignorant politicians, or the doctors and medical staff treating
the patients who never get to know who gets the real drugs and who gets
the placebos. You need a cold, clinical, bureaucratic authority to say
"We will test these 100 patients with a double-blind test. 50 will
receive the drug. 50 will receive a placebo. If the drug works, some
of these 50 placebo patients will die even though the drug could have
saved them. This is a sacrifice humanity must make to gain the
knowledge to save thousands or millions afterwards".


Why use a placebo? We could give a cluster of sick patients the drugs
now and compare their outcome to other clusters who don't get them.
See how many die.

Or give another cluster some sugar pills if you think that will help.
But do it NOW.


It is being done now here and it has already been done for months abroad.
The first Covid patient here was given Remdesivir, which is not even
approved. I pretty much agree with you on this, especially with
drugs like chloroquine which are already approved for other uses.
The govt needs to give doctors more freedom to use them, in their
own judgment and to not have to worry about being sued because it's
off label.

That's completely wrong. You never give a drug without consent. If they have consent there is no further protection needed.

Although... I recall a case where a doctor gave Betadine to an infant orally using a stomach tube. The baby died and after the fact the medical community decided it was a lame move and punished the doctor, I don't recall the details. So yeah, if you do something pretty dumb you will still be sanctioned.

At the same time we are doing carefully controlled blind studies.
It's not like we're talking about a possible treatment for acne,
so far the death rate for this among 95K closed cases worldwide
is 10%.

We should hear soon how other studies have panned out.

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[Rick C]

On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 10:10:56 AM UTC-4, Whoey Louie wrote:

You just can't stand the truth. I was right.

Ok, you were right. So what?

Years ago someone predicted the economic collapse we know as the Great Recession. I was talking about it with a friend and he pointed out that you could find someone predicting it in virtually every year. So no matter which year it occurred there would have been someone who was "right" about it.

You made statements based on no real information otherwise known as guesses.. Congratulations. Your guesses were right. No one ever said you were wrong. They only said you were basing your opinion on no facts.

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[dcaster@krl.org]

On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 9:57:51 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:

It's pig-ignorant dabbling in an area that he knows very little about. He's made a habit of that. It isn't a virtue.



--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

It is not dabbling in an area. It is posting an opinion in a newsgroup.

Dan

 

[Martin Brown]

On 20/03/2020 15:35, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 09:22:17 +0000, Martin Brown
'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On 19/03/2020 09:37, Winfield Hill wrote:
skybuck2000@hotmail.com wrote...

The truth in the Netherlands is as follows ...
(ICU=Intensive Care Unit)

1. Less than 300 free intensive care units / beds are
available on a population of 17 million. The rest are
already occupied, in total there are 1150 ICU units.

We're moving to total isolation, to stop any further
spreading beyond those already infected. This isn't
a good long-term solution, and new spreading centers
will start once we relax the isolation. But what we

Indeed. At the moment the only game in town is to try and manage the
infection growth rate and wait for herd immunity to develop slowly
without completely saturating the intensive care units.

It will be interesting to see how long it is before California's health
system gets completely overwhelmed.

There's less doubt about when the economy will crater, with most
people unemployed.

On that we are agreed. I thought originally that the UK government was
going to be brave and tell its people that this is a war situation and
that something like 0.5-3% civilian casualties are likely (mostly
elderly in the 70+ age group with pre-existing health conditions).

They started off in that direction but switched to headless chicken
panic mode on Monday night. Stock market and GBP have both tanked. It
values every life saved at something like ÂŁ3M (losses to date). That is
assuming it works. My money is on the virus resurging this winter.

The mandatory social isolation thing isn't working much here anyhow.
Lots of people are out.

It is working reasonably here. Traffic was very light yesterday when I
took my disabled relative shopping. Some supermarkets are depressing
though with a huge one looking like it was an extra in some dystopian
future where food and toilet rolls had all but disappeared.

The thing I found most disconcerting was a young store assistant doing
her own shopping on the verge of tears looking at the desolate empty
shelves in the early evening. Likewise the nurses on their way home.

We might have a viable vaccine in 12 months time in sufficient
quantities to do something useful but by then it may be too late.

It will probably burn out a lot sooner than that. Possibly when warm
weather arrives. Unfortunately, there is a real cold snap now in a lot
of the USA.

Has anyone correlated C19 rates to temperature?

They seem to think that dry heat shortens its viability on surfaces but
only realistically in the tropics. The virus was able to infect people
with around 680 cases in Australia where it is presently summer.

--
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Martin Brown

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 10:09:07 AM UTC-4, Whoey Louie wrote:

Did you see Trump making a big deal of invoking the Defense Production
Act? It allows the feds to direct companies output to where they need
it to go, to allocate, ration, take control of the whole supply chain
for a product to remove roadblocks, to spin up other companies to
build critical products, etc. It's how Ford went from building cars
to building bombers. Trump should have done it weeks ago, but it's
a very good thing, right? A few hours later he tweeted that he only
invoked it in case it's needed to combat the Chinese virus later in
a worst case scenario and hopefully that won't be necessary.

If that is not the very definition of an incompetent moron, IDK
what is.

It worked really well when Obama invoked it. Oh, wait! he did nothing for the first six months of the SARS outbreak.

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 9:53:00 AM UTC-4, highlandsniptechnology wrote:

On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 13:46:30 +0100, David Brown
david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

On 20/03/2020 00:19, highlandsniptechnology wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 15:56:58 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 12:40:07 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Looks like chloroquine plus azithromycin knocks the Wu flu dead.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTi-g18ftNZUMRAj2SwRPodtscFio7bJ7GdNgbJAGbdfF67WuRJB3ZsidgpidB2eocFHAVjIL-7deJ7/pub
https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Hydroxychloroquine_final_DOI_IJAA.pdf
Hope it pans out on a large scale!

Me too, but there might be a political problem:

Why Hasn’t Tony Fauci Been at the Coronavirus Press Conferences?
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/tony-fauci-at-coronavirus-press-conferences.html
Quoting...

One person who has expressed a more skeptical view of chloroquine is
task force member and immunologist Anthony Fauci, the veteran face of
the country’s response to disease outbreaks. But Fauci has not
appeared at a press conference since Tuesday, when Trump said he had
become a major television star.

Fauci for the past two days had been saying that chloroquine is not a
miracle cure and that we still need to determine its safety.

Speaking to Laura Ingraham on Fox News on Tuesday, Fauci said, "We
have to be careful, Laura, that we don’t assume something works based
on an anecdotal report that’s not controlled. And I refer specifically
to hydroxychloroquine. There’s a lot of buzz out there on the internet
on the social media about that."

On Wednesday, he reiterated this message in an interview with CNN’s
Chris Cuomo, saying he supported large-scale clinical trials but was
against "just throwing the drug out there, which is not a good idea."

We don't have enough people really ill from C19 to have large-scale
clinical trials. We already know the drug is safe, so it's unlikely to
do any harm. Get a dozen sick people to volunteer and see what
happens.

Some adventurous doctors should do that now. It's available and legal
to prescribe.


It is conceivable that you are smart at electronics, but you really
haven't the faintest clue about anything related to this virus, medical
procedures, drugs, testing, etc.

You, like a lot of people here, switch to insults when they can't make
sense.

If these drugs work, and are unlikely to cause harm, why not
administer them now, to a goodly number of gravely ill people, and see
what happens. If it helps, we could be using these common drugs in
mass, within a month, and save lives.

Is it better to conduct careful clinical trials for a couple of years?

Nobody understands how this virus actually works, or why the drugs may
help. So try things and see what saves lives.


You are mostly harmless, in that no one takes you seriously in this
discussion - you are a target of ridicule, not a source of information.

I'm a engineer. Signals and systems and dynamics and measurement and
causality are my life. As in figuring out what works and doing it.


The problem is you represent an unpleasantly large proportion of people
who are equally ignorant, thoughtless and selfish, with an equally
overinflated idea of their own competence. And the biggest problem the
USA faces is that they are lead by the prime example of this kind of
determined, paranoid idiocy.

So now any American doctors trying to do the right thing in testing
drugs on this virus are going to be pressured on one side by half-wit
politicians whose only concern is trying to look good on television, and
desperate relatives on the other side who want their sick relative cured
and don't care about anyone else.

I'd want my sick relative cured. I'd take those drugs if I got
seriously sick with this virus, which is a parts-per-million
probability just now.

If you were dying from a C19 infection, and were offered these drugs
now, before proper clinical trials were published and meta-analyzed,
would you take them?

John, you know that you can't reason with Liberals.

President Trump has signed 'The Right to Try' bill allowing terminally ill patients to sign a liability waiver to test new treatments. They are trying to figure out the dosages and side effects before turning the existing drugs loose on the general population.

<https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-sign-right-try-legislation-fulfilling-promise-made-expand-healthcare-options-terminal-americans/>

This is where he signed the ban on flights from China, in January, which Liberal morons deny:

<https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation-suspension-entry-immigrants-nonimmigrants-persons-pose-risk-transmitting-2019-novel-coronavirus/>

France is also having problems with teenagers refusing to follow their restrictions. I'm sure that most countries with any freedoms are having the same problems with young idiots, but fools who only listen to Liberal media are too stupid to learn the truth.

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 12:37:43 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
<terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

If you were dying from a C19 infection, and were offered these drugs
now, before proper clinical trials were published and meta-analyzed,
would you take them?


John, you know that you can't reason with Liberals.

President Trump has signed 'The Right to Try' bill allowing terminally ill patients to sign a liability waiver to test new treatments. They are trying to figure out the dosages and side effects before turning the existing drugs loose on the general population.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-sign-right-try-legislation-fulfilling-promise-made-expand-healthcare-options-terminal-americans/

Excellent. Nobody can accuse this guy of being nuanced.

People used to test drugs on prisoners, in exchange for reduced
sentences.

--

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picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[Rick C]

On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 3:43:10 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:

On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 10:09:07 AM UTC-4, Whoey Louie wrote:

Did you see Trump making a big deal of invoking the Defense Production
Act? It allows the feds to direct companies output to where they need
it to go, to allocate, ration, take control of the whole supply chain
for a product to remove roadblocks, to spin up other companies to
build critical products, etc. It's how Ford went from building cars
to building bombers. Trump should have done it weeks ago, but it's
a very good thing, right? A few hours later he tweeted that he only
invoked it in case it's needed to combat the Chinese virus later in
a worst case scenario and hopefully that won't be necessary.

If that is not the very definition of an incompetent moron, IDK
what is.

It worked really well when Obama invoked it. Oh, wait! he did nothing for the first six months of the SARS outbreak.

During the SARS outbreak he was an Illinois state senator. What did you expect him to do???

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[Rick C]

On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 5:01:41 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:

On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 4:34:57 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 3:43:10 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 10:09:07 AM UTC-4, Whoey Louie wrote:

Did you see Trump making a big deal of invoking the Defense Production
Act? It allows the feds to direct companies output to where they need
it to go, to allocate, ration, take control of the whole supply chain
for a product to remove roadblocks, to spin up other companies to
build critical products, etc. It's how Ford went from building cars
to building bombers. Trump should have done it weeks ago, but it's
a very good thing, right? A few hours later he tweeted that he only
invoked it in case it's needed to combat the Chinese virus later in
a worst case scenario and hopefully that won't be necessary.

If that is not the very definition of an incompetent moron, IDK
what is.

It worked really well when Obama invoked it. Oh, wait! he did nothing for the first six months of the SARS outbreak.

During the SARS outbreak he was an Illinois state senator. What did you expect him to do???


I have never expected him to do anything but lie, steal and deny.

I didn't remember the right name. It was the Swine Flu, and he was in no hurry about it. He was a half ass president in 2009.


https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/03/01/in-april-2009-h1n1-became-a-pandemic-six-months-later-after-1000-u.s.-deaths-obama-declared-it-a-public-health-emergency

So how many US residents died from the swine flu? About 12,000 total. That is literally in line with a seasonal flu which some people are still comparing COVID-19 to.

This disease is coming on faster, spreading more widely and with a much higher mortality rate. Do you not understand the difference? At the time of the swine flu very few suggested we needed to lock down the country.

Now it is the opposite. Very few are saying we don't need to lock down the country.

BTW, at the current rate of growth of this disease we will have 12,000 US deaths a week into April. There is little we can do to stop from reaching that number because it will be mostly from people who are already infected (approx. 100,000 today). Do you understand how quickly exponential growth will explode across this country? This thing is a freight train rolling across the countryside and so far there's no sign we've done much to slow it down.

--

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Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote in
news:afd7670d-fc60-46b7-90f3-cbe2ee250dd9@googlegroups.com:

On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 10:09:07 AM UTC-4, Whoey Louie wrote:

Did you see Trump making a big deal of invoking the Defense
Production Act? It allows the feds to direct companies output to
where they need it to go, to allocate, ration, take control of
the whole supply chain for a product to remove roadblocks, to
spin up other companies to build critical products, etc. It's
how Ford went from building cars to building bombers. Trump
should have done it weeks ago, but it's a very good thing, right?
A few hours later he tweeted that he only invoked it in case
it's needed to combat the Chinese virus later in a worst case
scenario and hopefully that won't be necessary.

If that is not the very definition of an incompetent moron, IDK
what is.

It worked really well when Obama invoked it. Oh, wait! he did
nothing for the first six months of the SARS outbreak.

SARS did not ravage the entire globe, you fucking retard.

Oh, that's right, you would not know how to analyze stats if your
life depended on it.

Here is a sum up... Different animal... Period.

Terrell... retarded animal... period.