The reality of driving an EV cross-country...

bitrex wrote:
They took a modern fast-charging EV along a route that didn\'t have the
infrastructure to support it, and discover...there wasn\'t the
infrastructure to support it. News?

When everybody has an EV and there isn\'t enough grid power to charge
them will that be news to you?


--
Defund the Thought Police
 
On 6/8/2022 3:05 PM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
bitrex wrote:

They took a modern fast-charging EV along a route that didn\'t have the
infrastructure to support it, and discover...there wasn\'t the
infrastructure to support it. News?

When everybody has an EV and there isn\'t enough grid power to charge
them will that be news to you?

What\'s your ballpark on how much extra capacity will be required
 
On 6/8/2022 2:54 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 14:27:29 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 6/8/2022 12:12 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 7:36:10 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 22:28:21 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

This is an article about an actual cross-country road trip in an EV (https://www.wsj.com/articles/i-rented-an-electric-car-for-a-four-day-road-trip-i-spent-more-time-charging-it-than-i-did-sleeping-11654268401?page=1):

I thought it would be fun.
This is a good idea:

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/06/08/kennedy-price-of-gas-is-so-high-that-it-would-be-cheaper-to-buy-cocaine-and-just-run-everywhere/

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/08/business/electric-vehicle-save-money/index.html

EVs make sense for short distance trips. Rent ICEs for long distance.


Chicago to New Orleans is a particularly pathological route that goes
through some of the poorest areas of the USA.

Driving near poor people is pathological? Do you study income
demographics before going for a drive?

I was just bitching at Rickety in the other thread about blame-shifting
onto the consumer. If someone can\'t afford to pay the silly price most
EVs cost right now (and Tesla\'s prices are particularly silly) that\'s
the way it is.

Climate change is _not_ the fault of any particular individual who can\'t
afford the latest & greatest, and the left, if that\'s what he considers
himself, does itself no favors by putting the onus on the consumer alone.

As meanwhile Visa put a gay pride flag on their Facebook icon for the
USA and not in the Middle East; they green wash and pink wash and all
the wash everything, they\'d love you to go into debt for a new electric
car today, fuck them. I got a particular good offer on my purchase a
number of years back, I would\'ve been silly not to move on it at the
time. The \"deals\" aren\'t so good anymore.

> There are some really nice people in Mississippi and Louisiana.

Of course. But the article isn\'t about them just some fuckin\' grossly
overpaid journalists from the WSJ who should probably know enough those
areas aren\'t going to have the latest in charging tech available on
every corner, there\'s not a high demand for it.

It\'s on just about every corner around here already but the
Boston/Providence/NYC metropolitan axis isn\'t Mississippi.

I\'d rather be stranded on the side of the roads in MS or LA than in,
say, New Jersey.

Even MS and LA have cell phone service and AAA I expect.
 
Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund wrote:
Flyguy wrote:

This is an article about an actual cross-country road trip in an EV

https://www.wsj.com/articles/i-rented-an-electric-car-for-a-four-day-road-trip-i-spent-more-time-charging-it-than-i-did-sleeping-11654268401?page=1

Supercharging is at a rate of 700miles/hour, so if you average 60
miles

on road, you would spend 33 hours driving, and 3 hours charging. (not
counting that you could charge during sleep)

Can you leave your car at a supercharger for 8+ hours while you sleep?

How do you get from the supercharger to/from a decent hotel?

A Supercharger is for rapid charging. You are not allowed to leave your
car while connected after charging. You get billed $1 per minute. That
would be an expensive stay in a hotel. It would be cheaper to stay in
the nice hotel, then pay them to take your car to the Supercharger and
bring it back when charged.

But wait! Someone has thought of this!!! The typical hotel has BEV
charging facilities, of the level 2 type. That is a lower rate charger,
designed to be plugged in overnight! Wow! It\'s amazing that people
actually come up with solutions to the BEV worrisome problems that keep
Larkin awake all night.

Ricksy\'s arguments remind me of Linux Lunatics trying to sell Linux to
ordinary users. Sounds good, but it\'s not reality.
 
On 6/8/2022 4:39 PM, John Doe wrote:
Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund wrote:
Flyguy wrote:

This is an article about an actual cross-country road trip in an EV

https://www.wsj.com/articles/i-rented-an-electric-car-for-a-four-day-road-trip-i-spent-more-time-charging-it-than-i-did-sleeping-11654268401?page=1

Supercharging is at a rate of 700miles/hour, so if you average 60
miles

on road, you would spend 33 hours driving, and 3 hours charging. (not
counting that you could charge during sleep)

Can you leave your car at a supercharger for 8+ hours while you sleep?

How do you get from the supercharger to/from a decent hotel?

A Supercharger is for rapid charging. You are not allowed to leave your
car while connected after charging. You get billed $1 per minute. That
would be an expensive stay in a hotel. It would be cheaper to stay in
the nice hotel, then pay them to take your car to the Supercharger and
bring it back when charged.

But wait! Someone has thought of this!!! The typical hotel has BEV
charging facilities, of the level 2 type. That is a lower rate charger,
designed to be plugged in overnight! Wow! It\'s amazing that people
actually come up with solutions to the BEV worrisome problems that keep
Larkin awake all night.

Ricksy\'s arguments remind me of Linux Lunatics trying to sell Linux to
ordinary users. Sounds good, but it\'s not reality.

They made some Linux derivatives for \"ordinary users\" they\'re called
Android and ChromeOS.
 
On 6/8/2022 10:36 AM, Ricky wrote:

Supercharging is at a rate of 700miles/hour, so if you average 60 miles
on road, you would spend 33 hours driving, and 3 hours charging. (not
counting that you could charge during sleep)
Can you leave your car at a supercharger for 8+ hours while you sleep?

How do you get from the supercharger to/from a decent hotel?

A Supercharger is for rapid charging. You are not allowed to leave your car while connected after charging. You get billed $1 per minute. That would be an expensive stay in a hotel. It would be cheaper to stay in the nice hotel, then pay them to take your car to the Supercharger and bring it back when charged.

But wait! Someone has thought of this!!! The typical hotel has BEV charging facilities, of the level 2 type. That is a lower rate charger, designed to be plugged in overnight! Wow! It\'s amazing that people actually come up with solutions to the BEV worrisome problems that keep Larkin awake all night.

As to getting to or from a hotel... I typically drive my BEV. Not sure what Larkin would do when he can\'t buy an ICE anymore, because no one sells them in hauling capacities of less than 2-1/2 tons.

Here\'s the car for some of the other guys here. 1984 HURST OLDS:

<https://youtu.be/YjTqjRK_SQs>

(emphasis on OLD)

Look at that gearshift, an automatic with extra steps. Horrible. I don\'t
resent that it had a 307 V8 with 140 HP though, that was just the
fashion at the time.
 
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

John Doe wrote:
Ricky wrote:
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund wrote:
Flyguy wrote:

This is an article about an actual cross-country road trip in an EV

https://www.wsj.com/articles/i-rented-an-electric-car-for-a-four-day
-road-trip-i-spent-more-time-charging-it-than-i-did-sleeping-1165426
8401?page=1

Supercharging is at a rate of 700miles/hour, so if you average 60
miles

on road, you would spend 33 hours driving, and 3 hours charging.
(not counting that you could charge during sleep)

Can you leave your car at a supercharger for 8+ hours while you
sleep?

How do you get from the supercharger to/from a decent hotel?

A Supercharger is for rapid charging. You are not allowed to leave
your car while connected after charging. You get billed $1 per
minute. That would be an expensive stay in a hotel. It would be
cheaper to stay in the nice hotel, then pay them to take your car to
the Supercharger and bring it back when charged.

But wait! Someone has thought of this!!! The typical hotel has BEV
charging facilities, of the level 2 type. That is a lower rate
charger, designed to be plugged in overnight! Wow! It\'s amazing that
people actually come up with solutions to the BEV worrisome problems
that keep Larkin awake all night.

Ricksy\'s arguments remind me of Linux Lunatics trying to sell Linux to
ordinary users. Sounds good, but it\'s not reality.

They made some Linux derivatives for \"ordinary users\" they\'re called
Android and ChromeOS.

Huh??? That has nothing to do with my comment. Nobody is trying to sell
Linux to smartphone users.

Linux sucks for mainstream PC use.

Similarly, I wouldn\'t buy an electric car for all the things a gas powered
car is used for. It might be great for getting around town, if it doesn\'t
blow up.
 
On 6/8/2022 5:17 PM, John Doe wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

John Doe wrote:
Ricky wrote:
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund wrote:
Flyguy wrote:

This is an article about an actual cross-country road trip in an EV

https://www.wsj.com/articles/i-rented-an-electric-car-for-a-four-day
-road-trip-i-spent-more-time-charging-it-than-i-did-sleeping-1165426
8401?page=1

Supercharging is at a rate of 700miles/hour, so if you average 60
miles

on road, you would spend 33 hours driving, and 3 hours charging.
(not counting that you could charge during sleep)

Can you leave your car at a supercharger for 8+ hours while you
sleep?

How do you get from the supercharger to/from a decent hotel?

A Supercharger is for rapid charging. You are not allowed to leave
your car while connected after charging. You get billed $1 per
minute. That would be an expensive stay in a hotel. It would be
cheaper to stay in the nice hotel, then pay them to take your car to
the Supercharger and bring it back when charged.

But wait! Someone has thought of this!!! The typical hotel has BEV
charging facilities, of the level 2 type. That is a lower rate
charger, designed to be plugged in overnight! Wow! It\'s amazing that
people actually come up with solutions to the BEV worrisome problems
that keep Larkin awake all night.

Ricksy\'s arguments remind me of Linux Lunatics trying to sell Linux to
ordinary users. Sounds good, but it\'s not reality.

They made some Linux derivatives for \"ordinary users\" they\'re called
Android and ChromeOS.

Huh??? That has nothing to do with my comment. Nobody is trying to sell
Linux to smartphone users.

Linux sucks for mainstream PC use.

Why, \"mainstream PC users\" don\'t do very much with a PC other than
browse the Web, write emails, watch YouTube videos...distros like Ubuntu
and Mint are fine for that stuff. It tends to just work with a very
large amount of off-the-shelf hardware

I can think of tasks it\'s not well-suited for like AV production,
hardcore gaming, etc. largely due to lack of a big software ecosystem
for those.

That is to say if you\'re doing tasks that require diving into the
command line on Mint or Ubuntu you\'re probably not a \"mainstream PC user\"

Similarly, I wouldn\'t buy an electric car for all the things a gas powered
car is used for. It might be great for getting around town, if it doesn\'t
blow up.

I\'ve died like, five times driving mine. Pretty scary
 
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:55:24 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 6/8/2022 10:36 AM, Ricky wrote:

Supercharging is at a rate of 700miles/hour, so if you average 60 miles
on road, you would spend 33 hours driving, and 3 hours charging. (not
counting that you could charge during sleep)
Can you leave your car at a supercharger for 8+ hours while you sleep?

How do you get from the supercharger to/from a decent hotel?

A Supercharger is for rapid charging. You are not allowed to leave your car while connected after charging. You get billed $1 per minute. That would be an expensive stay in a hotel. It would be cheaper to stay in the nice hotel, then pay them to take your car to the Supercharger and bring it back when charged.

But wait! Someone has thought of this!!! The typical hotel has BEV charging facilities, of the level 2 type. That is a lower rate charger, designed to be plugged in overnight! Wow! It\'s amazing that people actually come up with solutions to the BEV worrisome problems that keep Larkin awake all night.

As to getting to or from a hotel... I typically drive my BEV. Not sure what Larkin would do when he can\'t buy an ICE anymore, because no one sells them in hauling capacities of less than 2-1/2 tons.

Here\'s the car for some of the other guys here. 1984 HURST OLDS:

https://youtu.be/YjTqjRK_SQs

(emphasis on OLD)

Look at that gearshift, an automatic with extra steps. Horrible. I don\'t
resent that it had a 307 V8 with 140 HP though, that was just the
fashion at the time.

I enjoyed that video. The commenter has a good sense of humor. I liked the HP descriptions. lol

I\'m not clear on how the Hurst shifter was any different from a regular automatic with the 2 and 1 positions, except that you had to move multiple levers. What that for real? I suppose it allowed for better control in racing, in cars that actually had enough HP? Or was it a complete farce as the commenter seemed to be saying towards the end?

--

Rick C.

-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On a sunny day (Wed, 8 Jun 2022 15:05:35 -0400) it happened \"Tom Del Rosso\"
<fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote in
<t7qruq$mk$1@dont-email.me>:

bitrex wrote:

They took a modern fast-charging EV along a route that didn\'t have the
infrastructure to support it, and discover...there wasn\'t the
infrastructure to support it. News?

When everybody has an EV and there isn\'t enough grid power to charge
them will that be news to you?

I think everything electric is a bad idea
I was reading today here in the Netherlands new companies no longer
can get connected to the \'trickety net as it is overloaded with
chargers and other companies that now move to \'trickety for everything
as it is cheaper than gas powered. (heating for example).

When something happens NOTHING works anymore, no emergency services
as those run on \'trickety too..

Diversification is a word those green idiots have never heard of it seems.

Last night an other power outage just past midnight for a few seconds here.
Had to set my microwave clock and radio clock ..
The gas powered central heating kettle went into reset mode
and woke me up with beeping noises...
We are sooooo dependent on \'trickety!
Computers did keep running on the UPS...

Still looking for a cheap RTG
 
On a sunny day (Wed, 8 Jun 2022 21:17:23 -0000 (UTC)) it happened John Doe
<always.look@message.header> wrote in <t7r3l2$jb2$1@dont-email.me>:

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

They made some Linux derivatives for \"ordinary users\" they\'re called
Android and ChromeOS.

Huh??? That has nothing to do with my comment. Nobody is trying to sell
Linux to smartphone users.

You have no clue what Linux is it seems.


>Linux sucks for mainstream PC use.

Oh boy..

I just tried the latest Ubuntu on a x86 laptop and also on an ARM computer (Raspberry).
It is so \'automatic\' it just works with all the exotic hardware.

Everybody can use it without knowing much about Linux..



Similarly, I wouldn\'t buy an electric car for all the things a gas powered
car is used for.

I am personally waiting for the \'transporter\', much simpler to beam down to
some location.
US has it of course, its a DOD secret.
After scientists reported teleporting the first particles, any following publications
were silenced ..

It will be as common as smartphones once it leaks,



It might be great for getting around town, if it doesn\'t
>blow up.

Around town use a bike.
Much greener.
Many people also have electric bikes here.
 
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 3:01:12 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 8 Jun 2022 15:05:35 -0400) it happened \"Tom Del Rosso\"
fizzbin...@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote in
t7qruq$mk$1...@dont-email.me>:
bitrex wrote:

They took a modern fast-charging EV along a route that didn\'t have the
infrastructure to support it, and discover...there wasn\'t the
infrastructure to support it. News?

When everybody has an EV and there isn\'t enough grid power to charge
them will that be news to you?
I think everything electric is a bad idea
I was reading today here in the Netherlands new companies no longer
can get connected to the \'trickety net as it is overloaded with
chargers and other companies that now move to \'trickety for everything
as it is cheaper than gas powered. (heating for example).

When something happens NOTHING works anymore, no emergency services
as those run on \'trickety too..

Diversification is a word those green idiots have never heard of it seems..

Last night an other power outage just past midnight for a few seconds here.
Had to set my microwave clock and radio clock ..
The gas powered central heating kettle went into reset mode
and woke me up with beeping noises...
We are sooooo dependent on \'trickety!
Computers did keep running on the UPS...

Still looking for a cheap RTG

I think it is funny that your world is falling apart, while everyone else\'s world is doing just fine for the most part. Larkin interprets concerns about the direction we are headed as a day to day fear of living. I guess that\'s the way he handles concerns.

You, on the other hand, seem to live in a world of your own creation with everything going wrong. I guess it\'s good that you don\'t create the world the rest of us live in.

--

Rick C.

+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On 6/8/2022 12:05 PM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
bitrex wrote:

They took a modern fast-charging EV along a route that didn\'t have the
infrastructure to support it, and discover...there wasn\'t the
infrastructure to support it. News?

When everybody has an EV and there isn\'t enough grid power to charge
them will that be news to you?

I\'m sure glad there\'s never a shortage (real OR artificial) of petroleum
products (/cf/ Arab Oil Embargo) that might cause rationing or other
measures to control (limit) demand!
 
On 6/8/2022 11:41 PM, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:55:24 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 6/8/2022 10:36 AM, Ricky wrote:

Supercharging is at a rate of 700miles/hour, so if you average 60 miles
on road, you would spend 33 hours driving, and 3 hours charging. (not
counting that you could charge during sleep)
Can you leave your car at a supercharger for 8+ hours while you sleep?

How do you get from the supercharger to/from a decent hotel?

A Supercharger is for rapid charging. You are not allowed to leave your car while connected after charging. You get billed $1 per minute. That would be an expensive stay in a hotel. It would be cheaper to stay in the nice hotel, then pay them to take your car to the Supercharger and bring it back when charged.

But wait! Someone has thought of this!!! The typical hotel has BEV charging facilities, of the level 2 type. That is a lower rate charger, designed to be plugged in overnight! Wow! It\'s amazing that people actually come up with solutions to the BEV worrisome problems that keep Larkin awake all night.

As to getting to or from a hotel... I typically drive my BEV. Not sure what Larkin would do when he can\'t buy an ICE anymore, because no one sells them in hauling capacities of less than 2-1/2 tons.

Here\'s the car for some of the other guys here. 1984 HURST OLDS:

https://youtu.be/YjTqjRK_SQs

(emphasis on OLD)

Look at that gearshift, an automatic with extra steps. Horrible. I don\'t
resent that it had a 307 V8 with 140 HP though, that was just the
fashion at the time.

I enjoyed that video. The commenter has a good sense of humor. I liked the HP descriptions. lol

I\'m not clear on how the Hurst shifter was any different from a regular automatic with the 2 and 1 positions, except that you had to move multiple levers. What that for real? I suppose it allowed for better control in racing, in cars that actually had enough HP? Or was it a complete farce as the commenter seemed to be saying towards the end?

The boomers were entering their mid 30s in 1984 and were nostalgic for
the cars of the 60s already. The 1968 Hurst/Olds made 390 HP with a
Hurst Dual Gate shifter that was something other than a gimmick.

The boomers are still nostalgic for cars of the 60s like the latter,
that to this day they remember driving as teenagers or in their early
20s. I have no nostalgia for the cars of my teens and 20s, the ones I
could afford were pretty bad:

<https://youtu.be/mAKdyOUas8k>

The Volt is 100% the nicest GM product I\'ve ever owned and I\'ve owned a
number of them over the years, starting with my hand-me-down 1990 Chevy
Celebrity that had a pushrod mail truck engine + single point injection
in the throttle body.

Come a long way since then. I do think GM can produce excellent cars
when they _want_ to and often have some of the best designers on tap in
the business, they have money to throw around when they want to also.
But in actually designing anything excellent they\'re regularly hobbled
by an army of bean-counters and generalized corporate stupidity.
 
On 6/9/2022 2:57 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 8 Jun 2022 21:17:23 -0000 (UTC)) it happened John Doe
always.look@message.header> wrote in <t7r3l2$jb2$1@dont-email.me>:

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

They made some Linux derivatives for \"ordinary users\" they\'re called
Android and ChromeOS.

Huh??? That has nothing to do with my comment. Nobody is trying to sell
Linux to smartphone users.

You have no clue what Linux is it seems.


Linux sucks for mainstream PC use.

Oh boy..

I just tried the latest Ubuntu on a x86 laptop and also on an ARM computer (Raspberry).
It is so \'automatic\' it just works with all the exotic hardware.

Everybody can use it without knowing much about Linux..

He\'s got it backwards, the world would be a nicer and more secure place
by far if mainstream users all used Linux. Only people who know what
they\'re doing should be allowed to mess with Windows..
 
On 6/9/2022 4:36 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 6/8/2022 12:05 PM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
bitrex wrote:

They took a modern fast-charging EV along a route that didn\'t have the
infrastructure to support it, and discover...there wasn\'t the
infrastructure to support it. News?

When everybody has an EV and there isn\'t enough grid power to charge
them will that be news to you?

I\'m sure glad there\'s never a shortage (real OR artificial) of petroleum
products (/cf/ Arab Oil Embargo) that might cause rationing or other
measures to control (limit) demand!

There\'s no need to subsidize the electric car biz when they could just
stop subsidizing the oil biz. But the US government doesn\'t really want
to do the former or stop doing the latter, until someone in the former
biz starts coughing up enough cash to make it worth their while that is.
 
On a sunny day (Thu, 9 Jun 2022 10:05:05 -0400) it happened bitrex
<user@example.net> wrote in <m6noK.10511$Vxw.1827@fx07.iad>:

On 6/9/2022 2:57 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 8 Jun 2022 21:17:23 -0000 (UTC)) it happened John Doe
always.look@message.header> wrote in <t7r3l2$jb2$1@dont-email.me>:

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

They made some Linux derivatives for \"ordinary users\" they\'re called
Android and ChromeOS.

Huh??? That has nothing to do with my comment. Nobody is trying to sell
Linux to smartphone users.

You have no clue what Linux is it seems.


Linux sucks for mainstream PC use.

Oh boy..

I just tried the latest Ubuntu on a x86 laptop and also on an ARM computer (Raspberry).
It is so \'automatic\' it just works with all the exotic hardware.

Everybody can use it without knowing much about Linux..

He\'s got it backwards, the world would be a nicer and more secure place
by far if mainstream users all used Linux. Only people who know what
they\'re doing should be allowed to mess with Windows..

Probably he uses Linux without even knowing it.
His drone may use it, his TV may use it, his wireless stuff may use it...
lots of things use a version of Linux.
My Linksys wireless access points use Linux, my Samsung TV uses Linux
If he has a cable router chances are 90% it uses Linux.
I did put Ubuntu as MS WIndows replacement on this now 10 years old Samsung special edition laptop in 2012
Everything worked...
Later I added a Slackware boot option, and then also a Debian one.
I tried the new Ubuntu running from an USB stick :)
It gives you the choice of playing with it that way or install it.
That USB stick can be put in any x86 based computer with sufficient memory..
Just bring your own OS.
Amazing, started from that USB stick, put in my Huawei 4G USB stick and was online
Automatic! Firefox browser..
No scripts needed, only needed the PIN code for that stick.
 
On a sunny day (Thu, 9 Jun 2022 01:09:54 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ricky
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
<e6d5f1eb-3078-4a5d-b32e-d60e41fed223n@googlegroups.com>:

On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 3:01:12 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 8 Jun 2022 15:05:35 -0400) it happened \"Tom Del Rosso\"

fizzbin...@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote in
t7qruq$mk$1...@dont-email.me>:
bitrex wrote:

They took a modern fast-charging EV along a route that didn\'t have the

infrastructure to support it, and discover...there wasn\'t the
infrastructure to support it. News?

When everybody has an EV and there isn\'t enough grid power to charge
them will that be news to you?
I think everything electric is a bad idea
I was reading today here in the Netherlands new companies no longer
can get connected to the \'trickety net as it is overloaded with
chargers and other companies that now move to \'trickety for everything
as it is cheaper than gas powered. (heating for example).

When something happens NOTHING works anymore, no emergency services
as those run on \'trickety too..

Diversification is a word those green idiots have never heard of it seems.


Last night an other power outage just past midnight for a few seconds here.

Had to set my microwave clock and radio clock ..
The gas powered central heating kettle went into reset mode
and woke me up with beeping noises...
We are sooooo dependent on \'trickety!
Computers did keep running on the UPS...

Still looking for a cheap RTG

I think it is funny that your world is falling apart, while everyone else\'s
world is doing just fine for the most part. Larkin interprets concerns about
the direction we are headed as a day to day fear of living. I guess that\'s
the way he handles concerns.

You, on the other hand, seem to live in a world of your own creation with everything
going wrong. I guess it\'s good that you don\'t create the world the
rest of us live in.

You should read your own senseless babble sometimes for fault finding in your brain.
You drivel and attack any one opposing your \'lectric pet hobby.
The world here where I live is functioning a lot better than where you hide out.
:)!!!!!!
 
On 2022-06-09 17:50, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 9 Jun 2022 10:05:05 -0400) it happened bitrex
user@example.net> wrote in <m6noK.10511$Vxw.1827@fx07.iad>:

On 6/9/2022 2:57 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 8 Jun 2022 21:17:23 -0000 (UTC)) it happened John Doe
always.look@message.header> wrote in <t7r3l2$jb2$1@dont-email.me>:

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

They made some Linux derivatives for \"ordinary users\" they\'re called
Android and ChromeOS.

Huh??? That has nothing to do with my comment. Nobody is trying to sell
Linux to smartphone users.

You have no clue what Linux is it seems.


Linux sucks for mainstream PC use.

Oh boy..

I just tried the latest Ubuntu on a x86 laptop and also on an ARM computer (Raspberry).
It is so \'automatic\' it just works with all the exotic hardware.

Everybody can use it without knowing much about Linux..

He\'s got it backwards, the world would be a nicer and more secure place
by far if mainstream users all used Linux. Only people who know what
they\'re doing should be allowed to mess with Windows..

Probably he uses Linux without even knowing it.
His drone may use it, his TV may use it, his wireless stuff may use it...
lots of things use a version of Linux.
My Linksys wireless access points use Linux, my Samsung TV uses Linux
If he has a cable router chances are 90% it uses Linux.
I did put Ubuntu as MS WIndows replacement on this now 10 years old Samsung special edition laptop in 2012
Everything worked...
Later I added a Slackware boot option, and then also a Debian one.
I tried the new Ubuntu running from an USB stick :)
It gives you the choice of playing with it that way or install it.
That USB stick can be put in any x86 based computer with sufficient memory..
Just bring your own OS.
Amazing, started from that USB stick, put in my Huawei 4G USB stick and was online
Automatic! Firefox browser..
No scripts needed, only needed the PIN code for that stick.

The weird thing is that high-performance electronic instrument
makers use Windows. Look at LeCroy, Tektronix, Agilent, or whatever
they call themselves now. Bad choices, all of them. Why?

Jeroen Belleman
 
torsdag den 9. juni 2022 kl. 19.38.54 UTC+2 skrev Jeroen Belleman:
On 2022-06-09 17:50, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 9 Jun 2022 10:05:05 -0400) it happened bitrex
us...@example.net> wrote in <m6noK.10511$Vxw....@fx07.iad>:

On 6/9/2022 2:57 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 8 Jun 2022 21:17:23 -0000 (UTC)) it happened John Doe
alway...@message.header> wrote in <t7r3l2$jb2$1...@dont-email.me>:

bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

They made some Linux derivatives for \"ordinary users\" they\'re called
Android and ChromeOS.

Huh??? That has nothing to do with my comment. Nobody is trying to sell
Linux to smartphone users.

You have no clue what Linux is it seems.


Linux sucks for mainstream PC use.

Oh boy..

I just tried the latest Ubuntu on a x86 laptop and also on an ARM computer (Raspberry).
It is so \'automatic\' it just works with all the exotic hardware.

Everybody can use it without knowing much about Linux..

He\'s got it backwards, the world would be a nicer and more secure place
by far if mainstream users all used Linux. Only people who know what
they\'re doing should be allowed to mess with Windows..

Probably he uses Linux without even knowing it.
His drone may use it, his TV may use it, his wireless stuff may use it...
lots of things use a version of Linux.
My Linksys wireless access points use Linux, my Samsung TV uses Linux
If he has a cable router chances are 90% it uses Linux.
I did put Ubuntu as MS WIndows replacement on this now 10 years old Samsung special edition laptop in 2012
Everything worked...
Later I added a Slackware boot option, and then also a Debian one.
I tried the new Ubuntu running from an USB stick :)
It gives you the choice of playing with it that way or install it.
That USB stick can be put in any x86 based computer with sufficient memory..
Just bring your own OS.
Amazing, started from that USB stick, put in my Huawei 4G USB stick and was online
Automatic! Firefox browser..
No scripts needed, only needed the PIN code for that stick.
The weird thing is that high-performance electronic instrument
makers use Windows. Look at LeCroy, Tektronix, Agilent, or whatever
they call themselves now. Bad choices, all of them. Why?

lots of legacy code or developers stuck in windows?
 

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