That was scary

[Michael Terrell]

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 4:55:39 AM UTC-4, stratus46 wrote:

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 7:49:49 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote in
news:h9fm8fphgckl4d7j9a02cq9qv8vef0iqes@4ax.com:

On 5 Apr 2020 13:15:39 -0700, Winfield Hill wrote:

Grocery shopping.

After the CDC advised use of home-made masks, in order
to avoid asymptomatic spread, I'm surprised to see
so few people following that suggestion.

It's no longer cowardice - it's courtesy.

RL


When I am out to the store fore essentials, I am not breathing
through my mouth except when I ride the bike. I am not coughing and
I am not sneezing.

The COURTESY is to refrain from speaking to folks. Nods and waves
are fine.

Speech causes spittle aeresolization too.

Stepping through the channels the other day I saw that The Price Is
Right ws still up and running! So I watch for ten seconds to see an
entire audience hollwering and screaming out prices. And I
thought... "Wow, what a cloud they are all breathing."

They suspended their shows on Thursday. So California is just as
stupid as some of the other states.

Price is Right is not up and running. Have you heard of tape?

Indeed! They also have Archives of older shows to fall back on when their current inventory of recently recorded new shows run out. We kept a half dozen 'best of' tapes for our programs at Master Control, in case the LaCarte U-matic automation system failed, or anything interrupted the path between our C-band earth station and the main transmitter site.We had a strong signal from a point to point C-band AT&T system that wiped out our on site reception. We used a double hop STL system to use the 5 meter dish at our original studio site. A Monroe dial up controller let us select the desired satellite feed by calling its phone number, entering a security code, then selecting one of nine receivers, or the local studio. That was 32 years ago, but today video is stored on hard drives instead of tape. Just like the way movies are delivered to theaters. A local drive-in has several digital projectors. Movies arrive on hard drives packs that plug into the projectors. They have a pair of 1Gb fiber internet connections, in case a drive fails.

Of course, a troll would not have any clue about the technology or practices of either industry.

 

[John S]

On 4/6/2020 10:24 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 07:24:55 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:


You don't seem to understand. No one is talking about issues with eating food. The problem comes from handling it and then touching your face/mouth/eyes/nose. If it gets into one of those orifices it can grow and infect you.

Are you saying that it's safe to eat tainted food so long as you
don't get any of it into your mouth?

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/food-safety-and-availability-during-coronavirus-pandemic

Current theory is that you don't catch it by eating viruses.

Saliva is the first defense. It contains anti-virals. Then there are
mucosa and stomach acid. Bodies have a lot of defenses.

Wanna bet your life on it?

 

On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 19:19:04 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 8:11:26 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 06/04/20 00:49, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 4:16:02 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
Grocery shopping.


--
Thanks,
- Win

That's why socialism scares me. And pointless bailouts. And
massive borrowing.

They all pave a short road to empty shelves and bad places.

When did the USA become socialist?

AFAIK the empty shelves and pointless bailouts
occurred in the capitalist USA.

Ergo it must be capitalism that's at fault.

Faulty logic.

The U.S. government redistributing trillion of fictitious
goods, has zero to do with free people voluntarily exchanging
goods and services on terms they both agree.

In fact, they're antithetical.

Cheers,
James Arthur

People will take all that free money and use it in the free market to
voluntarily exchange things. The result will be an increase in the
price of those things. There will be some redistribution, which will
partly compensate poor people for the price increases.

The huge drop in productivity, from people not working, will of course
also increase prices.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-04-07 08:42, George Herold wrote:

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 10:28:19 AM UTC-4, legg wrote:
On 5 Apr 2020 13:15:39 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com
wrote:

Grocery shopping.

After the CDC advised use of home-made masks, in order
to avoid asymptomatic spread, I'm surprised to see
so few people following that suggestion.

It's no longer cowardice - it's courtesy.
I'm wearing a bandanna (cowboy style). Maybe we all need to
wear a cowboy hat too. :^)

Who was that masked man?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 07:45:24 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote:

On 4/6/2020 10:24 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 07:24:55 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:


You don't seem to understand. No one is talking about issues with eating food. The problem comes from handling it and then touching your face/mouth/eyes/nose. If it gets into one of those orifices it can grow and infect you.

Are you saying that it's safe to eat tainted food so long as you
don't get any of it into your mouth?

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/food-safety-and-availability-during-coronavirus-pandemic

Current theory is that you don't catch it by eating viruses.

Saliva is the first defense. It contains anti-virals. Then there are
mucosa and stomach acid. Bodies have a lot of defenses.

Wanna bet your life on it?

We do every day. You can take drugs or radiation to shut down your
immune system, and you'll be dead in a month.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[George Herold]

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:14:40 AM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 2020-04-07 08:42, George Herold wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 10:28:19 AM UTC-4, legg wrote:
On 5 Apr 2020 13:15:39 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com
wrote:

Grocery shopping.

After the CDC advised use of home-made masks, in order
to avoid asymptomatic spread, I'm surprised to see
so few people following that suggestion.

It's no longer cowardice - it's courtesy.
I'm wearing a bandanna (cowboy style). Maybe we all need to
wear a cowboy hat too. :^)

Who was that masked man?

Hey, speaking of diffusion times. If my bandanna gets saturated
with water at some point. Then what's the diffusion time for the
virus to move from one side of the water soaked cotton to the other.
So time to move through (say) 1 mm of water.
Google gives this,
https://bionumbers.hms.harvard.edu/bionumber.aspx?s=n&v=2&id=105894

D = 15 um**2/ sec.

t ~ x^2/(2*D) ~10^5 seconds... that sounds fine.

George H.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[George Herold]

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:46:51 AM UTC-4, George Herold wrote:

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:14:40 AM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-07 08:42, George Herold wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 10:28:19 AM UTC-4, legg wrote:
On 5 Apr 2020 13:15:39 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com
wrote:

Grocery shopping.

After the CDC advised use of home-made masks, in order
to avoid asymptomatic spread, I'm surprised to see
so few people following that suggestion.

It's no longer cowardice - it's courtesy.
I'm wearing a bandanna (cowboy style). Maybe we all need to
wear a cowboy hat too. :^)

Who was that masked man?
Hey, speaking of diffusion times. If my bandanna gets saturated
with water at some point. Then what's the diffusion time for the
virus to move from one side of the water soaked cotton to the other.
So time to move through (say) 1 mm of water.
Google gives this,
https://bionumbers.hms.harvard.edu/bionumber.aspx?s=n&v=2&id=105894

D = 15 um**2/ sec.

t ~ x^2/(2*D) ~10^5 seconds... that sounds fine.
hmm math challenged... ~3x10^4 sec. say a few hours.

GH

George H.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[David Brown]

On 07/04/2020 15:06, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 07:45:24 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote:

On 4/6/2020 10:24 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 07:24:55 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:


You don't seem to understand. No one is talking about issues with eating food. The problem comes from handling it and then touching your face/mouth/eyes/nose. If it gets into one of those orifices it can grow and infect you.

Are you saying that it's safe to eat tainted food so long as you
don't get any of it into your mouth?

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/food-safety-and-availability-during-coronavirus-pandemic

Current theory is that you don't catch it by eating viruses.

Saliva is the first defense. It contains anti-virals. Then there are
mucosa and stomach acid. Bodies have a lot of defenses.

Wanna bet your life on it?

We do every day. You can take drugs or radiation to shut down your
immune system, and you'll be dead in a month.

Yes, because as we all know, the immune system consists of nothing but
saliva.

Or perhaps you are just talking drivel again.

 

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 12:23:23 AM UTC, RheillyPhoull wrote:

On 6/04/2020 5:10 am, John S wrote:
On 4/5/2020 3:26 PM, Rich S wrote:
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 8:16:02 PM UTC, Winfield Hill wrote:
Grocery shopping.


--
  Thanks,
     - Win

Agreed. "Minimize your exposure" to our dysfunctional society. My wife
demanded she take on this role, but afterwards comes home intensely
unnerved. People have various reactions to unseen, unfelt enemy,
lurking around any other body or thing. Those people who don't take it
seriously and act without care (and possibly revel in this) cause
intense reaction (at very least) from those at the other end of this
practice. Real violence has erupted.


What violence? Cite?

Have you never encountered a feral mum on the hunt for toilet paper?

A good, properly sized tampon is hard to find when you are up in the years.
She probably uses two at a time.

 

Ricky C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:c252e56d-8f64-4b24-b605-98a218d1035d@googlegroups.com:

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 8:42:50 AM UTC-4, John S wrote:
On 4/6/2020 3:14 AM, Ricky C wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 3:32:50 AM UTC-4, Jasen Betts
wrote:
You don't seem to understand. No one is talking about issues
with eating food. The problem comes from handling it and
then touching your face/mouth/eyes/nose. If it gets into one
of those orifices it can grow and infect you.

Are you saying that it's safe to eat tainted food so long as
you don't get any of it into your mouth?

How do you eat the beans from a can if you've spilled them all
over the outside of the can where the virus is?

How do you spill beans all over the outside of the can? You must
be be really sloppy.

I'm not the one worried about the food being tainted. I suppose
it's Jasen Betts who has the eating disorder.

Reminds me of airplane and the guy with the drinking problem.

Or this guy...

<https://youtu.be/8XC3Hc-rAkk?t=23>

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-04-07 09:46, George Herold wrote:

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:14:40 AM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-07 08:42, George Herold wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 10:28:19 AM UTC-4, legg wrote:
On 5 Apr 2020 13:15:39 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com
wrote:

Grocery shopping.

After the CDC advised use of home-made masks, in order
to avoid asymptomatic spread, I'm surprised to see
so few people following that suggestion.

It's no longer cowardice - it's courtesy.
I'm wearing a bandanna (cowboy style). Maybe we all need to
wear a cowboy hat too. :^)

Who was that masked man?
Hey, speaking of diffusion times. If my bandanna gets saturated
with water at some point. Then what's the diffusion time for the
virus to move from one side of the water soaked cotton to the other.
So time to move through (say) 1 mm of water.
Google gives this,
https://bionumbers.hms.harvard.edu/bionumber.aspx?s=n&v=2&id=105894

D = 15 um**2/ sec.

t ~ x^2/(2*D) ~10^5 seconds... that sounds fine.

You just have to stop breathing for a day.

Cheers

Phil Hobbss


--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 20:41:33 +0200, David Brown
<david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

On 07/04/2020 15:06, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 07:45:24 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote:

On 4/6/2020 10:24 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 07:24:55 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:


You don't seem to understand. No one is talking about issues with eating food. The problem comes from handling it and then touching your face/mouth/eyes/nose. If it gets into one of those orifices it can grow and infect you.

Are you saying that it's safe to eat tainted food so long as you
don't get any of it into your mouth?

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/food-safety-and-availability-during-coronavirus-pandemic

Current theory is that you don't catch it by eating viruses.

Saliva is the first defense. It contains anti-virals. Then there are
mucosa and stomach acid. Bodies have a lot of defenses.

Wanna bet your life on it?

We do every day. You can take drugs or radiation to shut down your
immune system, and you'll be dead in a month.


Yes, because as we all know, the immune system consists of nothing but
saliva.

That never occurred to me. How do you know that?

Or perhaps you are just talking drivel again.

Saliva contains multiple antibacterial and antiviral elements. Look it
up.

Some wise person said that "Bodies have a lot of defenses" but that is
in dispute here.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[Winfield Hill]

Phil Hobbs wrote...

It's also hard to spit on the street if you're wearing a mask.

Well, I guess that's out for some people.


--
Thanks,
- Win

 

[Ricky C]

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:12:30 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 19:19:04 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 8:11:26 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 06/04/20 00:49, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 4:16:02 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
Grocery shopping.


--
Thanks,
- Win

That's why socialism scares me. And pointless bailouts. And
massive borrowing.

They all pave a short road to empty shelves and bad places.

When did the USA become socialist?

AFAIK the empty shelves and pointless bailouts
occurred in the capitalist USA.

Ergo it must be capitalism that's at fault.

Faulty logic.

The U.S. government redistributing trillion of fictitious
goods, has zero to do with free people voluntarily exchanging
goods and services on terms they both agree.

In fact, they're antithetical.

Cheers,
James Arthur

People will take all that free money and use it in the free market to
voluntarily exchange things. The result will be an increase in the
price of those things. There will be some redistribution, which will
partly compensate poor people for the price increases.

The huge drop in productivity, from people not working, will of course
also increase prices.

Well, that is an amazing prediction. We are going to see inflation in the future. How could anyone have seen that coming???

--

Rick C.

--+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
--+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Ricky C]

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 8:42:50 AM UTC-4, John S wrote:

On 4/6/2020 3:14 AM, Ricky C wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 3:32:50 AM UTC-4, Jasen Betts wrote:
You don't seem to understand. No one is talking about issues with eating food. The problem comes from handling it and then touching your face/mouth/eyes/nose. If it gets into one of those orifices it can grow and infect you.

Are you saying that it's safe to eat tainted food so long as you
don't get any of it into your mouth?

How do you eat the beans from a can if you've spilled them all over the outside of the can where the virus is?

How do you spill beans all over the outside of the can? You must be be
really sloppy.

I'm not the one worried about the food being tainted. I suppose it's Jasen Betts who has the eating disorder.

Reminds me of airplane and the guy with the drinking problem.

--

Rick C.

--- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
--- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-04-07 17:29, Winfield Hill wrote:

Phil Hobbs wrote...

It's also hard to spit on the street if you're wearing a mask.

Well, I guess that's out for some people.

Traditional Chinese medicine encourages it.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[David Brown]

On 07/04/2020 23:20, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 20:41:33 +0200, David Brown
david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

On 07/04/2020 15:06, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 07:45:24 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote:

On 4/6/2020 10:24 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 07:24:55 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:


You don't seem to understand. No one is talking about issues with eating food. The problem comes from handling it and then touching your face/mouth/eyes/nose. If it gets into one of those orifices it can grow and infect you.

Are you saying that it's safe to eat tainted food so long as you
don't get any of it into your mouth?

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/food-safety-and-availability-during-coronavirus-pandemic

Current theory is that you don't catch it by eating viruses.

Saliva is the first defense. It contains anti-virals. Then there are
mucosa and stomach acid. Bodies have a lot of defenses.

Wanna bet your life on it?

We do every day. You can take drugs or radiation to shut down your
immune system, and you'll be dead in a month.


Yes, because as we all know, the immune system consists of nothing but
saliva.

That never occurred to me. How do you know that?

Did you seriously not notice the sarcasm here? (Your posts as subject
to Poe's Law, since "saliva is the body's only protection against
pathogens" is not a sillier statement than some of the things you have
written.)

Or perhaps you are just talking drivel again.

Saliva contains multiple antibacterial and antiviral elements. Look it
up.

I /have/ looked it up. Have you? And do you understand that this does
not mean it makes you immune to viruses coming in through the mouth?

Incidentally, some corona viruses are known to be unaffected by stomach
acid and infect the guts. Last I heard, it was not known if that
applies to SARS-CoV-2.

Some wise person said that "Bodies have a lot of defenses" but that is
in dispute here.

There is no dispute. Bodies /do/ have a great many defence mechanisms
for all sorts of pathogens.

 

[legg]

On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 19:04:41 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-04-07 17:29, Winfield Hill wrote:
Phil Hobbs wrote...

It's also hard to spit on the street if you're wearing a mask.

Well, I guess that's out for some people.



Traditional Chinese medicine encourages it.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

And there are serious penalties for it in Singapore.
Not so serious bylaws covering it elsewhere.

Unless you chew betel, or tobacco, there's not often
reason to do it. That's probably seldom enough.

... but I think the original comment was meant to be
humorous - had me grinning anyways.

My problem's with old man's drippy nose. It just happens
in cooler weather. Doesn't mix well with masks.

My mask has daisies drawn on it - if just to lighten
things up a bit for the kids.

RL

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christense]

mandag den 6. april 2020 kl. 03.25.46 UTC+2 skrev Clifford Heath:

On 6/4/20 11:13 am, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On 5 Apr 2020 13:15:39 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com
wrote:

Grocery shopping.

Boring. Annoying. But scary?

They closed all the restaurants, so we have to buy more food. And they
are limiting how many people can go into food stores, so there are
long lines of people waiting outside in the cold rain.

Bottle shops (liquor stores in the USA) are doing a roaring trade here.
About double normal turnover.

here alcohol sales are up in supermarkets but down overall. Seems without pubs,parties,concerts,restaurants people just doesn't drink as much

 

[speff]

On Sunday, 5 April 2020 21:25:46 UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:

On 6/4/20 11:13 am, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On 5 Apr 2020 13:15:39 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com
wrote:

Grocery shopping.

Boring. Annoying. But scary?

They closed all the restaurants, so we have to buy more food. And they
are limiting how many people can go into food stores, so there are
long lines of people waiting outside in the cold rain.

Bottle shops (liquor stores in the USA) are doing a roaring trade here.
About double normal turnover.

CH

They just closed the retail pot stores here in Ontario, online sales only. You'd think they would be considered essential.

But yeah, the food distribution is a taste of what things would be like in a war situation. Cops outside Costco, people being
ordered around. I'm sure it's like just another day for the victims^H^H^H folks in Syria or Yemen.

--Spehro Pefhany