That was scary

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 09:23:24 +1000, Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net>
wrote:

On 7/4/20 1:24 am, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 07:24:55 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:


You don't seem to understand. No one is talking about issues with eating food. The problem comes from handling it and then touching your face/mouth/eyes/nose. If it gets into one of those orifices it can grow and infect you.

Are you saying that it's safe to eat tainted food so long as you
don't get any of it into your mouth?

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/food-safety-and-availability-during-coronavirus-pandemic

Current theory is that you don't catch it by eating viruses.

Saliva is the first defense. It contains anti-virals. Then there are
mucosa and stomach acid. Bodies have a lot of defenses.

Stomach mucous might help, but the mucosa (tissues) are exactly what
this virus is specialised to attack.

Leave the science for those who have studied it, John. Your ignorance is
showing.

You disbelieve the FDA because I linked to them.

I can have a lot of fun if you deny anything that I link to.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[Clifford Heath]

On 7/4/20 1:57 am, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 9:11:15 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 6/4/20 8:28 am, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 4:16:02 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
Grocery shopping.
Only use stores that offer curbside pickup. Order is usually placed with their custom app. Or use one of those shopping services like InstaCart.

You still need to wash down every item in the cart, like so:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjDuwc9KBps&feature=youtu.be

"It’s not sensible nor practical to wash all the food you bring into your home especially at this point in time when we’re not seeing widespread environmental contamination, nor extensive community transmission of the coronavirus in Australia."

This is not true for U.S.


Not necessarily. You are most unlikely to fall sick after eating food
tainted by corona virus, assuming your basic sanitary habits are ok.

People tend to touch their food with their hands, they do all kinds of things from habit without thinking. It is far more practical to wash everything down when you take possession of it and be done with it.


Here is a very good summary of the risks and mitigations from
Australia's experts on this subject:

https://blog.csiro.au/coronavirus-and-food/

Clifford Heath.

I don't listen to her, she's a government/industry shill.

Ignorant fool. No further answer is warranted.

 

[Clifford Heath]

On 7/4/20 1:24 am, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 07:24:55 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:


You don't seem to understand. No one is talking about issues with eating food. The problem comes from handling it and then touching your face/mouth/eyes/nose. If it gets into one of those orifices it can grow and infect you.

Are you saying that it's safe to eat tainted food so long as you
don't get any of it into your mouth?

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/food-safety-and-availability-during-coronavirus-pandemic

Current theory is that you don't catch it by eating viruses.

Saliva is the first defense. It contains anti-virals. Then there are
mucosa and stomach acid. Bodies have a lot of defenses.

Stomach mucous might help, but the mucosa (tissues) are exactly what
this virus is specialised to attack.

Leave the science for those who have studied it, John. Your ignorance is
showing.

 

[Clifford Heath]

On 7/4/20 10:04 am, John Larkin wrote:
> mucosa virus defense

Well duh. It's the site of defense *because* its the site of the attack.
Not much point defending somewhere else, is there now?

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 09:50:24 +1000, Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net>
wrote:

On 7/4/20 9:34 am, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 09:23:24 +1000, Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net
wrote:

On 7/4/20 1:24 am, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 07:24:55 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:


You don't seem to understand. No one is talking about issues with eating food. The problem comes from handling it and then touching your face/mouth/eyes/nose. If it gets into one of those orifices it can grow and infect you.

Are you saying that it's safe to eat tainted food so long as you
don't get any of it into your mouth?

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/food-safety-and-availability-during-coronavirus-pandemic

Current theory is that you don't catch it by eating viruses.

Saliva is the first defense. It contains anti-virals. Then there are
mucosa and stomach acid. Bodies have a lot of defenses.

Stomach mucous might help, but the mucosa (tissues) are exactly what
this virus is specialised to attack.

Leave the science for those who have studied it, John. Your ignorance is
showing.

You disbelieve the FDA because I linked to them.

I can have a lot of fun if you deny anything that I link to.

Your FDA link does not mis-use the word "mucosa".

Brilliant observation. It doesn't use the word at all.

That was all on you,
because you don't know what it means but wanted to sound smart.

Good grief, google mucosa virus defense

It's no secret.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[Clifford Heath]

On 7/4/20 9:34 am, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 09:23:24 +1000, Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net
wrote:

On 7/4/20 1:24 am, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 07:24:55 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:


You don't seem to understand. No one is talking about issues with eating food. The problem comes from handling it and then touching your face/mouth/eyes/nose. If it gets into one of those orifices it can grow and infect you.

Are you saying that it's safe to eat tainted food so long as you
don't get any of it into your mouth?

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/food-safety-and-availability-during-coronavirus-pandemic

Current theory is that you don't catch it by eating viruses.

Saliva is the first defense. It contains anti-virals. Then there are
mucosa and stomach acid. Bodies have a lot of defenses.

Stomach mucous might help, but the mucosa (tissues) are exactly what
this virus is specialised to attack.

Leave the science for those who have studied it, John. Your ignorance is
showing.

You disbelieve the FDA because I linked to them.

I can have a lot of fun if you deny anything that I link to.

Your FDA link does not mis-use the word "mucosa". That was all on you,
because you don't know what it means but wanted to sound smart.

 

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 8:11:26 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 06/04/20 00:49, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 4:16:02 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
Grocery shopping.


--
Thanks,
- Win

That's why socialism scares me. And pointless bailouts. And
massive borrowing.

They all pave a short road to empty shelves and bad places.

When did the USA become socialist?

AFAIK the empty shelves and pointless bailouts
occurred in the capitalist USA.

Ergo it must be capitalism that's at fault.

Faulty logic.

The U.S. government redistributing trillion of fictitious
goods, has zero to do with free people voluntarily exchanging
goods and services on terms they both agree.

In fact, they're antithetical.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 9:46:14 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology..com wrote:

On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 16:49:48 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 4:16:02 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
Grocery shopping.


--
Thanks,
- Win

That's why socialism scares me. And pointless bailouts. And
massive borrowing.

They all pave a short road to empty shelves and bad places.

Cheers,
James Arthur

So many people are so afraid.

Yep, and thus ripe for exploitation by unsavory forces touting
quack cures, like socialism offering fake comforts.

At bottom, socialism promises we can all live better looting
our neighbors, under a tyrant who promises to organize the
looting, than tending our own gardens. But, everyone tending
gardens is always better than everyone trying to steal from
someone else's.

Cheers,
James Arthur

---
“Whoever controls the people’s fears becomes master of their souls.” -- Machiavelli

 

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 10:38:03 AM UTC-4, legg wrote:

On 5 Apr 2020 13:15:39 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com
wrote:

Grocery shopping.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover.html

RL

That's a good video, thanks. I wonder, however, about the single-
thickness seam his folding method produces in the center. I'd feel
better with a few layers than just one. But his method certainly
greatly dampens any contagion's travel, once ejected.

I read an intelligent posting from an American in Taiwan, crediting
their aggressive use of face-masks with their success in controlling
community spread. (The mask isn't to protect you, it's to protect
everyone else *from* you. As you said, it's a courtesy to others.)

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 12:35:13 PM UTC+10, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 9:46:14 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 16:49:48 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 4:16:02 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
Grocery shopping.

That's why socialism scares me. And pointless bailouts. And
massive borrowing.

They all pave a short road to empty shelves and bad places.

So many people are so afraid.

Yep, and thus ripe for exploitation by unsavory forces touting
quack cures, like socialism offering fake comforts.

At bottom, socialism promises we can all live better looting
our neighbors, under a tyrant who promises to organize the
looting, than tending our own gardens.

Communism might. The leading position of the party lends itlsef to setting up tyrannies, which is why the socialists chucked out Karl Marx and the proto-communists back in 1871.

James Arthur is well aware of this - he's been told often enough - but he loves writing "socialist" when he means "communist" and lying about how socialism works in places like Scandianvia and Germany.

> But, everyone tending gardens is always better than everyone trying to steal from someone else's.

Of course you have to have a garden before you can tend it, and capitalists have this enthusiasm for buying up everybody's garden until they have a monopoly, then charging outrageous sums for the privilege of being allowed to grow crops in the garden that they now happen to own.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 07/04/20 03:19, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 8:11:26 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 06/04/20 00:49, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 4:16:02 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
Grocery shopping.


--
Thanks,
- Win

That's why socialism scares me. And pointless bailouts. And
massive borrowing.

They all pave a short road to empty shelves and bad places.

When did the USA become socialist?

AFAIK the empty shelves and pointless bailouts
occurred in the capitalist USA.

Ergo it must be capitalism that's at fault.

Faulty logic.

Of course it is faulty!

That's because it uses the same "logic" that you do.

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 07/04/20 09:12, Martin Brown wrote:

On 07/04/2020 08:45, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 07/04/20 03:35, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 9:46:14 PM UTC-4,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 16:49:48 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 4:16:02 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
Grocery shopping.


--
  Thanks,
     - Win

That's why socialism scares me.  And pointless bailouts.  And
massive borrowing.

They all pave a short road to empty shelves and bad places.

Cheers,
James Arthur

So many people are so afraid.

Yep, and thus ripe for exploitation by unsavory forces touting
quack cures,

I agree. Trump is an unsavoury force touting hydroxyquinone.

A bunch of the others include private doctors in the UK selling totally
ineffective IV vitamin boost remedies and evangelical con-men flogging Holy
snake oil and pieces of red twine. Both cases for ÂŁ100 and upwards.

Low-life exploiting the scared is just par for the course.

It is to be hoped that such low-life doesn't gain high office.

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 07/04/20 09:12, Martin Brown wrote:

On 07/04/2020 08:45, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 07/04/20 03:35, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 9:46:14 PM UTC-4,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 16:49:48 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 4:16:02 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
Grocery shopping.


--
  Thanks,
     - Win

That's why socialism scares me.  And pointless bailouts.  And
massive borrowing.

They all pave a short road to empty shelves and bad places.

Cheers,
James Arthur

So many people are so afraid.

Yep, and thus ripe for exploitation by unsavory forces touting
quack cures,

I agree. Trump is an unsavoury force touting hydroxyquinone.

A bunch of the others include private doctors in the UK selling totally
ineffective IV vitamin boost remedies and evangelical con-men flogging Holy
snake oil and pieces of red twine. Both cases for ÂŁ100 and upwards.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-47803286

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-church-plague-protection-kits-oil-red-yarn-bishop-climate-ministries-a9438171.html


*CAVEAT EMPTOR* the worst offenders are not state actors.

President Flatulences utterances about hydroxyquinone has already cost one
person their life (admittedly they deserve a Darwin award for consuming a grade
intended for treating fish in an aquarium).

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/arizona-man-chloroquine-coronavirus-dead_n_5e7994f4c5b62f90bc506029


It was also really good for the spivs and speculators that were able to pump and
dump stock in the makers of these compounds.

like socialism offering fake comforts.

Or capitalism offering the mere hope of healthcare, rather than
delivering it.

Be fair! They will keep treating you until your money runs out.

If only it was that good

The "death panels2 in the insurance companies often say that
a treatment isn't covered, so you don't even start treatment.

 

[Martin Brown]

On 07/04/2020 08:45, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 07/04/20 03:35, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 9:46:14 PM UTC-4,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 16:49:48 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 4:16:02 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
Grocery shopping.


--
  Thanks,
     - Win

That's why socialism scares me.  And pointless bailouts.  And
massive borrowing.

They all pave a short road to empty shelves and bad places.

Cheers,
James Arthur

So many people are so afraid.

Yep, and thus ripe for exploitation by unsavory forces touting
quack cures,

I agree. Trump is an unsavoury force touting hydroxyquinone.

A bunch of the others include private doctors in the UK selling totally
ineffective IV vitamin boost remedies and evangelical con-men flogging
Holy snake oil and pieces of red twine. Both cases for ÂŁ100 and upwards.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-47803286

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-church-plague-protection-kits-oil-red-yarn-bishop-climate-ministries-a9438171.html

*CAVEAT EMPTOR* the worst offenders are not state actors.

President Flatulences utterances about hydroxyquinone has already cost
one person their life (admittedly they deserve a Darwin award for
consuming a grade intended for treating fish in an aquarium).

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/arizona-man-chloroquine-coronavirus-dead_n_5e7994f4c5b62f90bc506029

It was also really good for the spivs and speculators that were able to
pump and dump stock in the makers of these compounds.

like socialism offering fake comforts.

Or capitalism offering the mere hope of healthcare, rather than
delivering it.

Be fair! They will keep treating you until your money runs out.


--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 07/04/20 03:35, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 9:46:14 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 16:49:48 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 4:16:02 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
Grocery shopping.


--
Thanks,
- Win

That's why socialism scares me. And pointless bailouts. And
massive borrowing.

They all pave a short road to empty shelves and bad places.

Cheers,
James Arthur

So many people are so afraid.

Yep, and thus ripe for exploitation by unsavory forces touting
quack cures,

I agree. Trump is an unsavoury force touting hydroxyquinone.

> like socialism offering fake comforts.

Or capitalism offering the mere hope of healthcare, rather than
delivering it.

 

[stratus46]

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 7:49:49 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote in
news:h9fm8fphgckl4d7j9a02cq9qv8vef0iqes@4ax.com:

On 5 Apr 2020 13:15:39 -0700, Winfield Hill
winfieldhill@yahoo.com
wrote:

Grocery shopping.

After the CDC advised use of home-made masks, in order
to avoid asymptomatic spread, I'm surprised to see
so few people following that suggestion.

It's no longer cowardice - it's courtesy.

RL


When I am out to the store fore essentials, I am not breathing
through my mouth except when I ride the bike. I am not coughing and
I am not sneezing.

The COURTESY is to refrain from speaking to folks. Nods and waves
are fine.

Speech causes spittle aeresolization too.

Stepping through the channels the other day I saw that The Price Is
Right ws still up and running! So I watch for ten seconds to see an
entire audience hollwering and screaming out prices. And I
thought... "Wow, what a cloud they are all breathing."

They suspended their shows on Thursday. So California is just as
stupid as some of the other states.

Price is Right is not up and running. Have you heard of tape?

G²

 

[Pimpom]

On 4/7/2020 8:22 AM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 10:38:03 AM UTC-4, legg wrote:
On 5 Apr 2020 13:15:39 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com
wrote:

Grocery shopping.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover.html

RL

That's a good video, thanks. I wonder, however, about the single-
thickness seam his folding method produces in the center. I'd feel
better with a few layers than just one.

I've been wondering if anyone else noticed that. The center is
close to where your mouth and nostrils would be.

But his method certainly
greatly dampens any contagion's travel, once ejected.

I read an intelligent posting from an American in Taiwan, crediting
their aggressive use of face-masks with their success in controlling
community spread. (The mask isn't to protect you, it's to protect
everyone else *from* you. As you said, it's a courtesy to others.)

I tend to disagree with people who feel that anything less than
an airtight seal and 100% filtration is useless. That's like
claiming that body armour is useless because the enemy can still
shoot you in the face, neck and limbs.

Some of the high-speed ejecta from an infected person will pass
through a mask, homemade or otherwise. Reducing the risk is what
it's all about, not a guaranteed perfect barrier.

 

[John S]

On 4/6/2020 3:14 AM, Ricky C wrote:

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 3:32:50 AM UTC-4, Jasen Betts wrote:
You don't seem to understand. No one is talking about issues with eating food. The problem comes from handling it and then touching your face/mouth/eyes/nose. If it gets into one of those orifices it can grow and infect you.

Are you saying that it's safe to eat tainted food so long as you
don't get any of it into your mouth?

How do you eat the beans from a can if you've spilled them all over the outside of the can where the virus is?

How do you spill beans all over the outside of the can? You must be be
really sloppy.

There is danger in touching things that an infected person has touched. So cans, boxes, bottles all pose a threat without eating them.

 

[George Herold]

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 10:28:19 AM UTC-4, legg wrote:

On 5 Apr 2020 13:15:39 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com
wrote:

Grocery shopping.

After the CDC advised use of home-made masks, in order
to avoid asymptomatic spread, I'm surprised to see
so few people following that suggestion.

It's no longer cowardice - it's courtesy.

I'm wearing a bandanna (cowboy style). Maybe we all need to
wear a cowboy hat too. :^)

GH

RL

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-04-06 22:52, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 10:38:03 AM UTC-4, legg wrote:
On 5 Apr 2020 13:15:39 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com
wrote:

Grocery shopping.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover.html

RL

That's a good video, thanks. I wonder, however, about the single-
thickness seam his folding method produces in the center. I'd feel
better with a few layers than just one. But his method certainly
greatly dampens any contagion's travel, once ejected.

I read an intelligent posting from an American in Taiwan, crediting
their aggressive use of face-masks with their success in controlling
community spread. (The mask isn't to protect you, it's to protect
everyone else *from* you. As you said, it's a courtesy to others.)

Cheers,
James Arthur

It's also hard to spit on the street if you're wearing a mask.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com