That was scary

[Michael Terrell]

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 5:09:35 PM UTC-4, John S wrote:

On 4/5/2020 3:26 PM, Rich S wrote:
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 8:16:02 PM UTC, Winfield Hill wrote:
Grocery shopping.


--
Thanks,
- Win

Agreed. "Minimize your exposure" to our dysfunctional society. My wife demanded she take on this role, but afterwards comes home intensely unnerved. People have various reactions to unseen, unfelt enemy, lurking around any other body or thing. Those people who don't take it seriously and act without care (and possibly revel in this) cause intense reaction (at very least) from those at the other end of this practice. Real violence has erupted.


What violence? Cite?

I was in a Sam's club about a week ago. Some fat slob in a powered shopping cart was screaming at me that he was going to have me arrested, fined $5,000 and put in prison for at least ten years. He was on the other side of the counter, more than six feet from me as I but a case of canned Green beans on the belt. He continued with, "I'm going to start trowing your shit on the floor! I've taught people how to fight, for decades, and I'm going to break off your cane in your ass!" If he had laid a hand on me, he would have needed an ambulance. I'm sick of loudmouthed idiots, just looking to start something.

If he was really afraid of getting close to anyone, there was no way he would consider picking up someone else's items. The look in his eyes was that of a crazed animal. I've seen it in the wolves that roamed the Army base in Alaska as they sized me up for their next meal.

 

[bitrex]

On 4/5/2020 9:46 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 16:49:48 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 4:16:02 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
Grocery shopping.


--
Thanks,
- Win

That's why socialism scares me. And pointless bailouts. And
massive borrowing.

They all pave a short road to empty shelves and bad places.

Cheers,
James Arthur

So many people are so afraid.

Old saw: "Before anyone says the cure is worse than the disease they
should be required to experience both"

 

[Ricky C]

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 10:14:13 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:

On 6/4/20 11:55 am, Ricky C wrote:
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 9:11:15 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 6/4/20 8:28 am, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 4:16:02 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
Grocery shopping.
Only use stores that offer curbside pickup. Order is usually placed with their custom app. Or use one of those shopping services like InstaCart.

You still need to wash down every item in the cart, like so:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjDuwc9KBps&feature=youtu.be

Not necessarily. You are most unlikely to fall sick after eating food
tainted by corona virus, assuming your basic sanitary habits are ok.

Here is a very good summary of the risks and mitigations from
Australia's experts on this subject:

https://blog.csiro.au/coronavirus-and-food/

Clifford Heath.

You don't seem to understand

...says the bloke who responds before reading the article.

There's a reason why I usually ignore your posts. It's because your
comprehension is so poor.

So why did you bother this time? I wouldn't mind if you did us both a favor.

For everyone else... wash carefully after going outside, especially when
you go where other people have been and touch things they might have
touched. That's "basic sanitation"... it has nothing to do with food.

Sorry, I watched the video and missed the article.

While we have no clear indication COVID-19 infects through the alimentary canal, there simply is not sufficient data on the issue. No one should be saying it can't happen. The chances of you being infected by other means is likely, much, much higher, so we simply won't see it in the data.

The article says nowhere that you can't be infected by food. It says, "There is no current evidence" and "The acid in our stomach is expected to inactivate the virus", but don't say it won't happen and completely ignores the fact that our breathing and alimentary paths are linked. It would be very easy to aspirate micro-droplets of contagion while eating fresh foods. Again, possible while not likely.

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On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 16:49:48 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 4:16:02 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
Grocery shopping.


--
Thanks,
- Win

That's why socialism scares me. And pointless bailouts. And
massive borrowing.

They all pave a short road to empty shelves and bad places.

Cheers,
James Arthur

So many people are so afraid.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[Ricky C]

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 9:11:15 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:

On 6/4/20 8:28 am, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 4:16:02 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
Grocery shopping.
Only use stores that offer curbside pickup. Order is usually placed with their custom app. Or use one of those shopping services like InstaCart.

You still need to wash down every item in the cart, like so:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjDuwc9KBps&feature=youtu.be

Not necessarily. You are most unlikely to fall sick after eating food
tainted by corona virus, assuming your basic sanitary habits are ok.

Here is a very good summary of the risks and mitigations from
Australia's experts on this subject:

https://blog.csiro.au/coronavirus-and-food/

Clifford Heath.

You don't seem to understand. No one is talking about issues with eating food. The problem comes from handling it and then touching your face/mouth/eyes/nose. If it gets into one of those orifices it can grow and infect you.

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Rick C.

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On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 11:25:41 +1000, Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net>
wrote:

On 6/4/20 11:13 am, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On 5 Apr 2020 13:15:39 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com
wrote:

Grocery shopping.

Boring. Annoying. But scary?

They closed all the restaurants, so we have to buy more food. And they
are limiting how many people can go into food stores, so there are
long lines of people waiting outside in the cold rain.

Bottle shops (liquor stores in the USA) are doing a roaring trade here.
About double normal turnover.

CH

I was behind one big guy in line to check out at Safeway who seemed to
have cornered most of the panko and vodka in the store.

A lot of people seemed to be buying gallons of hard liquor.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[Jasen Betts]

> You don't seem to understand. No one is talking about issues with eating food. The problem comes from handling it and then touching your face/mouth/eyes/nose. If it gets into one of those orifices it can grow and infect you.

Are you saying that it's safe to eat tainted food so long as you
don't get any of it into your mouth?

--
Jasen.

 

[Ricky C]

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 3:32:50 AM UTC-4, Jasen Betts wrote:

You don't seem to understand. No one is talking about issues with eating food. The problem comes from handling it and then touching your face/mouth/eyes/nose. If it gets into one of those orifices it can grow and infect you.

Are you saying that it's safe to eat tainted food so long as you
don't get any of it into your mouth?

How do you eat the beans from a can if you've spilled them all over the outside of the can where the virus is?

There is danger in touching things that an infected person has touched. So cans, boxes, bottles all pose a threat without eating them.

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Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote in
news:r6elg7$q59$1@gonzo.revmaps.no-ip.org:

You don't seem to understand. No one is talking about issues
with eating food. The problem comes from handling it and then
touching your face/mouth/eyes/nose. If it gets into one of those
orifices it can grow and infect you.

Are you saying that it's safe to eat tainted food so long as you
don't get any of it into your mouth?

Is it "orifices" or is it "orifii?

Also rememeber that you should wash the entire dish because we
touch the outside. The food side is easy to clean.

I always rinse my dishes all the way 'clean' even before I put them
in the sink. That way when I do go to "wash dishes", they have no
dried on food particles and only need a sanitizing wash done on them.
I have always hated looking in the sink and seeing dishes with food
still on them or only partically rinsed off and then we have a big
pot of kitchen sink slop soup. Nasty. My dishes are spotless, and
oh LOOK! it passes the time, especialy if you do them carefully, and
it has the added benefit of your hands ending up *very, very* clean.

 

[legg]

On 5 Apr 2020 13:15:39 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Grocery shopping.

After the CDC advised use of home-made masks, in order
to avoid asymptomatic spread, I'm surprised to see
so few people following that suggestion.

It's no longer cowardice - it's courtesy.

RL

 

[legg]

On 5 Apr 2020 13:15:39 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Grocery shopping.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover.html

RL

 

legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote in
news:h9fm8fphgckl4d7j9a02cq9qv8vef0iqes@4ax.com:

On 5 Apr 2020 13:15:39 -0700, Winfield Hill
winfieldhill@yahoo.com
wrote:

Grocery shopping.

After the CDC advised use of home-made masks, in order
to avoid asymptomatic spread, I'm surprised to see
so few people following that suggestion.

It's no longer cowardice - it's courtesy.

RL

When I am out to the store fore essentials, I am not breathing
through my mouth except when I ride the bike. I am not coughing and
I am not sneezing.

The COURTESY is to refrain from speaking to folks. Nods and waves
are fine.

Speech causes spittle aeresolization too.

Stepping through the channels the other day I saw that The Price Is
Right ws still up and running! So I watch for ten seconds to see an
entire audience hollwering and screaming out prices. And I
thought... "Wow, what a cloud they are all breathing."

They suspended their shows on Thursday. So California is just as
stupid as some of the other states.

 

legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote in
news:6vfm8fdfljhmuiptng1he2plj8g9nh6cjv@4ax.com:

On 5 Apr 2020 13:15:39 -0700, Winfield Hill
winfieldhill@yahoo.com> wrote:

Grocery shopping.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/clot
h-face-cover.html

RL

Totally retarded link. These masks do NOT "prevent getting sick"
in any way.

They PREVENT YOU from releasing YOUR spittle onto the world AS
MUCH.

They DO NOT stop you from breathing MAL AIR.

The real protocol should be about refraining from standing there
carrying on conversations with others. As in normal life.

WAIT IT OUT PEOPLE.

Have to shop, then SHOP... NOT TALK. SHOP. Go BACK HOME to talk.

 

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 8:06:45 PM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 6:28:16 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 4:16:02 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
Grocery shopping.


--
Thanks,
- Win

Only use stores that offer curbside pickup. Order is usually placed with their custom app. Or use one of those shopping services like InstaCart.

You still need to wash down every item in the cart, like so:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjDuwc9KBps&feature=youtu.be

I think this guy gets a fail. I have not heard that such a cursory wipe with a paper towel wetted with cleaner will disinfect this virus. We are told to wash our hands for 20 seconds, so why does a quick wipe give a pass to groceries?

Notice that when he starts loading the shopping bag he also gives his hands a very cursory wipe. Nope, that's the sort of cleaning they do to the shopping carts in the stores.

According to EPA, the active ingredient in the Lysol multi-surface cleaner he's using requires 4 minutes of wet time to kill corona. Question is what actually is wet and does a quick wipe do it. It may. Their disinfectant may seem dry to us, but it hangs in there and leaves a residue, so what he's doing may be good enough. If he was using the 65-70% alcohol, it would require only 30 seconds and be adequate. If you use stronger alcohol solution, the alcohol evaporates off too fast to last 30 seconds.

The guy has the right idea of clean/not clean separation, but the cleaning procedures are not adequate.

He's done better than most. Apparently we have MDs out there who don't know how to wash their hands, as demonstrated with their flawed PSAs on hand washing technique.

That said, when I shopped yesterday I didn't clean any of my items. But then most of them were not touched again for over 24 hours. Not sure what to do about fresh items. I guess apply the 24 hour rule.

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On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 07:24:55 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
<jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:

You don't seem to understand. No one is talking about issues with eating food. The problem comes from handling it and then touching your face/mouth/eyes/nose. If it gets into one of those orifices it can grow and infect you.

Are you saying that it's safe to eat tainted food so long as you
don't get any of it into your mouth?

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/food-safety-and-availability-during-coronavirus-pandemic

Current theory is that you don't catch it by eating viruses.

Saliva is the first defense. It contains anti-virals. Then there are
mucosa and stomach acid. Bodies have a lot of defenses.





--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 08:57:55 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 9:11:15 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 6/4/20 8:28 am, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 4:16:02 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
Grocery shopping.
Only use stores that offer curbside pickup. Order is usually placed with their custom app. Or use one of those shopping services like InstaCart.

You still need to wash down every item in the cart, like so:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjDuwc9KBps&feature=youtu.be

"It’s not sensible nor practical to wash all the food you bring into your home especially at this point in time when we’re not seeing widespread environmental contamination, nor extensive community transmission of the coronavirus in Australia."

This is not true for U.S.


Not necessarily. You are most unlikely to fall sick after eating food
tainted by corona virus, assuming your basic sanitary habits are ok.

People tend to touch their food with their hands, they do all kinds of things from habit without thinking. It is far more practical to wash everything down when you take possession of it and be done with it.


Here is a very good summary of the risks and mitigations from
Australia's experts on this subject:

https://blog.csiro.au/coronavirus-and-food/

Clifford Heath.

I don't listen to her, she's a government/industry shill. It has been established for example that you need to use a dishwashing soap scrub to remove modern pesticide residue from fruits and vegetables. Fresh water rinse alone is inadequate.

Then as far as oral ingestion, people are not perfect textbook examples of uniformity and health. People with gum disease most certainly can get a dose of virus directly into their bloodstream, this has been shown for bacteria and other virus. And if you accidentally bite your tongue or cheek, it's over. Don't listen to her.

People invent things to terrify themselves. I never understood why
people would pay to see a horror movie, but they do. Most people seem
to enjoy being scared. The Associated Press and NPR are glad to help.

The latest Time Magazine was a "special edition." Guess what it was
all about. Then guess how much wasn't silly blather.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:b4im8fh5qc89sf3boc9dvbkruemvs763ao@4ax.com:

On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 07:24:55 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:


You don't seem to understand. No one is talking about issues
with eating food. The problem comes from handling it and then
touching your face/mouth/eyes/nose. If it gets into one of
those orifices it can grow and infect you.

Are you saying that it's safe to eat tainted food so long as you
don't get any of it into your mouth?

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/food-safety-and-avai
lability-during-coronavirus-pandemic

Current theory is that you don't catch it by eating viruses.

Saliva is the first defense. It contains anti-virals.

You are a goddamned idiot. Aeresolized spittle is the main
transmission vector, you stupid fuck!

Then there
are mucosa and stomach acid.

For what makes it down there.

It can "hang out" in your throat and end up in your bronchs and
lungs by way of nasal drip alone, which is NOT felt but experienced
by 100% of us.

Bodies have a lot of defenses.

Many of which you appear to have a TrumpTarded understanding of.

 

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 9:11:15 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:

On 6/4/20 8:28 am, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 4:16:02 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
Grocery shopping.
Only use stores that offer curbside pickup. Order is usually placed with their custom app. Or use one of those shopping services like InstaCart.

You still need to wash down every item in the cart, like so:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjDuwc9KBps&feature=youtu.be

"It’s not sensible nor practical to wash all the food you bring into your home especially at this point in time when we’re not seeing widespread environmental contamination, nor extensive community transmission of the coronavirus in Australia."

This is not true for U.S.

Not necessarily. You are most unlikely to fall sick after eating food
tainted by corona virus, assuming your basic sanitary habits are ok.

People tend to touch their food with their hands, they do all kinds of things from habit without thinking. It is far more practical to wash everything down when you take possession of it and be done with it.

Here is a very good summary of the risks and mitigations from
Australia's experts on this subject:

https://blog.csiro.au/coronavirus-and-food/

Clifford Heath.

I don't listen to her, she's a government/industry shill. It has been established for example that you need to use a dishwashing soap scrub to remove modern pesticide residue from fruits and vegetables. Fresh water rinse alone is inadequate.

Then as far as oral ingestion, people are not perfect textbook examples of uniformity and health. People with gum disease most certainly can get a dose of virus directly into their bloodstream, this has been shown for bacteria and other virus. And if you accidentally bite your tongue or cheek, it's over. Don't listen to her.

 

legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote in
news:74qm8f52gs8mk20ko2nltc5up2u081nbg8@4ax.com:

On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 14:53:20 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote in
news:6vfm8fdfljhmuiptng1he2plj8g9nh6cjv@4ax.com:

On 5 Apr 2020 13:15:39 -0700, Winfield Hill
winfieldhill@yahoo.com> wrote:

Grocery shopping.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-
sick/clot
h-face-cover.html

RL


Totally retarded link. These masks do NOT "prevent getting
sick"
in any way.

They PREVENT YOU from releasing YOUR spittle onto the world AS
MUCH.

They assist to prevent asymptomatic spread - so you won't
pass it to anyone else.

RL

Nope. Nothing keeping a fully symptomatic jackass from putting one
on and going to the store and it STILL would not stop it all.

So, 'they assist' so you 'release potentially less than uncovered'.
No guarantee of ANY efficacy at all.

The places where we see good numbers are mostly due to FULL
quarantining of everyone AND isolation of known and discovered
cases, because they DID perform testing, the lack of which is the
root of our failure.

 

[legg]

On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 14:53:20 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote in
news:6vfm8fdfljhmuiptng1he2plj8g9nh6cjv@4ax.com:

On 5 Apr 2020 13:15:39 -0700, Winfield Hill
winfieldhill@yahoo.com> wrote:

Grocery shopping.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/clot
h-face-cover.html

RL


Totally retarded link. These masks do NOT "prevent getting sick"
in any way.

They PREVENT YOU from releasing YOUR spittle onto the world AS
MUCH.

They assist to prevent asymptomatic spread - so you won't
pass it to anyone else.

RL