That was scary

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:32:47 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 8:31:45 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 1:20:07 PM UTC-7, Ricky C wrote:
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 6:30:21 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:

Such a myopic "I only care about me and those around me" attitude is the
best guarantee of not getting control of the virus.

It is the only realistic way of dealing with it. The bottom line is you can control your country, but not others.

Alas, no. It's a global problem, and requires global solution. The
local approach is correct for your local authority (leaders of country A cannot order leaders
of country B) but is incorrect for an international (UN? WHO?) coordinated effort.

A satisfactory outcome requires international coordination, if only on air-travel
logistics.

A global solution would require eliminating bats.

(Or Chinese virology labs, maybe.)

Cheers,
James Arthur

Pity. There's nothing better than a good batburger.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard
 
On 2020-04-16 20:42, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 3:42:19 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-04-16 09:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:30:48 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:


[...]

And lots of people are learning to cook.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

And bake. Baking supplies, flour and cupcake liners and butter and
eggs are scarce. At least the garlic is back.


By now we are running seriously low on Fleischmann's Instant Dry Yeast
from AB Mauri to bake bread. Nothing in stores for weeks. On the
Internet people sell 1lbs packs but it's made in Mexico instead of
Canada. Does anyone know if it's as good as the Canadian stuff which has
become unobtanium?

Since years we bake bread in the Weber barbecue. Mostly not over
charcoal but Almond or Manzanita. Gives a nice crunchy crust.

As I'm sure you know you really don't need yeast to bake bread,
especially in your neck of the woods.

Back before packaged yeast, housewives prepared what they called
a 'sponge' to leaven bread, which was just a mixture of flour and
water that was left out a day or two to collect wild yeasts. When
it starts foaming, it's ready to go. Same as sourdough, really,
but not necessarily sour-tasting. The taste depends on the local
wild air-borne yeasts.

San Francisco has particularly tasty wild yeasts that produce sour-
tasting bread. But French baguettes are technically sour-dough also,
even though they're not sour.

So, feel good that you can always make bread, even in a panic-demic :0
(I put a face mask on that emojii, for your protection.)

Cheers,
James (used to bake sourdough every other day) Arthur

P.S. I found it's important to use non-chlorinated water, both for
the starter and making bread -- the wild yeasts don't like chlorine.

Putting some dried fruit into warm water for an hour or so will liberate
wild yeast from the surface. Pour off the water and add to some flour,
and it will begin to work. A small amount of that mix added to some
more flour+water will work more.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On 17/4/20 7:10 am, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 13:24:19 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:
this looks pretty good for no yeast at all, https://youtu.be/RGO1cLw7P6c
Sourdough is usually a pH-moderated equilibrium of a yeast and a
lactobacillus. Some starters have been in use for well over 100 years.

We had a Chinese friend that went on vacation and found that the
family heirloom sourdough had died. Luckily, he'd given a bit to
another friend, who kept the strain alive.

Just saying... Sour-dough is 21st century Tamagochi ;) For now, I'm
happy to let someone else look after their pet. However...

I want to find some durum wheat to grind myself. None of this stale
flour... reputable artisan bakers throw away flour that's more than 5 or
6 hours old.

Clifford Heath
 
On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 8:40:14 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:32:47 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 8:31:45 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 1:20:07 PM UTC-7, Ricky C wrote:
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 6:30:21 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:

Such a myopic "I only care about me and those around me" attitude is the
best guarantee of not getting control of the virus.

It is the only realistic way of dealing with it. The bottom line is you can control your country, but not others.

Alas, no. It's a global problem, and requires global solution. The
local approach is correct for your local authority (leaders of country A cannot order leaders
of country B) but is incorrect for an international (UN? WHO?) coordinated effort.

A satisfactory outcome requires international coordination, if only on air-travel
logistics.

A global solution would require eliminating bats.

(Or Chinese virology labs, maybe.)


Pity. There's nothing better than a good batburger.

Or Bat sushi. With Bat fries.
(In the Bat Cave. With Batman and Robin.)

Cheers,
James Arthur
---

"Whoever said one person can't change the world,
never ate a half-cooked bat."
 
On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 4:32:55 AM UTC+10, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 8:31:45 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 1:20:07 PM UTC-7, Ricky C wrote:
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 6:30:21 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:

Such a myopic "I only care about me and those around me" attitude is the
best guarantee of not getting control of the virus.

It is the only realistic way of dealing with it. The bottom line is you can control your country, but not others.

Alas, no. It's a global problem, and requires global solution. The
local approach is correct for your local authority (leaders of country A cannot order leaders of country B) but is incorrect for an international (UN? WHO?) coordinated effort.

A satisfactory outcome requires international coordination, if only on air-travel logistics.

A global solution would require eliminating bats.

One global solution might involve eliminating bats. There are going to lots of possible global solution, and this would be one of the less realistic ones.

Corona viruses also circulate in the human population - they cause about 25% of cases of the common cold - so the logic that might suggest that you needed to eliminate bats would also suggest that you needed to eliminate human beings.

> (Or Chinese virology labs, maybe.)

Probably cheaper, and more attractive on other grounds, to eliminate right-wing conspiracy theory nut-cases.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On 2020-04-16 17:10, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 13:24:19 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

torsdag den 16. april 2020 kl. 22.17.48 UTC+2 skrev Joerg:
On 2020-04-16 13:09, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
torsdag den 16. april 2020 kl. 21.42.19 UTC+2 skrev Joerg:
On 2020-04-16 09:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:30:48 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:


[...]

And lots of people are learning to cook.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

And bake. Baking supplies, flour and cupcake liners and butter and
eggs are scarce. At least the garlic is back.


By now we are running seriously low on Fleischmann's Instant Dry Yeast
from AB Mauri to bake bread. Nothing in stores for weeks. On the
Internet people sell 1lbs packs but it's made in Mexico instead of
Canada. Does anyone know if it's as good as the Canadian stuff which has
become unobtanium?

Since years we bake bread in the Weber barbecue. Mostly not over
charcoal but Almond or Manzanita. Gives a nice crunchy crust.


try sourdough or while you're brewing beer use some of that as a starter? :)


That's exactly what I am doing. I use the trub from primary
fermentation, siphon off 1/4th to 1/3rd of it to start the next batch of
beer, and the rest is turned into starter dough for bread. We let that
rise for half a day to a day. However, for the next and final dough
there is a need for some bread yeast. US-05 brewer's yeast would be
quite expensive and not taste as good when used at that stage.


why the need for extra yeast?

this looks pretty good for no yeast at all, https://youtu.be/RGO1cLw7P6c



Sourdough is usually a pH-moderated equilibrium of a yeast and a
lactobacillus. Some starters have been in use for well over 100 years.

We had a Chinese friend that went on vacation and found that the
family heirloom sourdough had died. Luckily, he'd given a bit to
another friend, who kept the strain alive.

Starter freezes well.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

(who has been making sourdough at intervals since 1968)

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:50:32 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-04-16 16:58, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 15:21:25 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/16/2020 12:55 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:30:48 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-04-15 10:59, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 08:47:31 +0100, Martin Brown
'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On 12/04/2020 17:32, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 09:39:02 +0100, Martin Brown
'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On 10/04/2020 18:01, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:46:23 +0100, Martin Brown
'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On 10/04/2020 16:06, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Test density is increasing exponentially but case rates are not
adjusted. My guesses are as good as anybody else' now.

No. You are woefully ignorant and *very* determined to remain so.

The German health system has run an antibody test in one of the hottest
spots on the planet and found that only 14% of the population has
actually got antibodies to the virus at present.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/09/999015/blood-tests-show-15-of-people-are-now-immune-to-covid-19-in-one-town-in-germany/

That's a useful bit of data. Prefacing it with "willfully ignorant"
isn't. I didn't deliberately avoid seeing the German data.

You cherry pick data to suit your argument so often that it is difficult
to tell whether you are unaware of the scientific data or deliberately
refusing to look at it. You are a science denier at heart.

I consider a lot of data and speculate about possible dynamics. That
is not an "argument." I could make an argument, but I haven't. I'd
probably wind up being wrong. I hate to be wrong, because it suggests
a lapse of good thinking.

You have been claiming that it would all be fine and there was nothing
to worry about for ages.

No. I have been suggesting that this *could* be just another bad
winter cold that was unfortunate to be born in a slow press cycle. I
have made no "claims."

Take a look at this:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

World daily cases peaked 10 days ago and is down. Most european
countries are well past peak, some now below 10% of peak; the ones
that started sooner are down most.

The US case rate is declining and has been basically flat for about 2
weeks now, peaked about April 10. This dropoff, if it continues, will
disappoint some people.

I still think the curves should be scaled by test density, which would
change their shapes radically.

Worry? Personally, I don't worry about much of anything. I guess that
changes my judgements. Fear always overpowers observation and reason.

Somebody should wait a while and do some serious research and write a
book about this event. There is obviously an immense amount of bad
data and "scientific" wrongness and panic circulating now.



That's the way some people design electronics: consider as many
outrageous possibilities as you can, and analyze the consequences of
each. Considering unsanctioned alternatives offends most people.

"Science teaches us to doubt." Or should.

There is a difference between doubting something and going round with
your eyes shut and fingers in your ears impervious to all new data.

That statement is absolutely correct. Doubt should be liberating. It
should break the static friction of what everybody knows. It should
encourage all possible speculations that you can manage, especially
goofy ones. You can sort them out before you etch boards.

I was just talking to The Brat about that. The virus is doing some
harm, but it's also breaking a lot of social static friction. I'm not
about to predict how that is likely to settle out.

I do think that a lot of arguably silly small businesses, goofy
boutiques and bad restaurants, won't come back.

And lots of people are learning to cook.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

And bake. Baking supplies, flour and cupcake liners and butter and
eggs are scarce. At least the garlic is back.

There were almost no veggies in Safeway this morning. No lettuce, no
carrots, no blueberries. Maybe a truck didn't show up.



Must be tough on the average wingnut male, not regularly encountering
situations that make 'em want to shoot or stab a filthy lib!!

No Muslims in hijabs to encounter on the train to fantasize about
stabbing or putting rounds into. No busy Planned Parenthoods or colleges
or yoga studios to gun down 15 people at for Trump

What in the world are you raving about?

Why do you make up fictitious enemies to mock and hate?


Much safer. Real ones might hurt him.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

There's really not enough thinking going around these days.





--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard
 
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:53:22 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-04-16 15:42, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-04-16 09:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:30:48 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:


[...]

And lots of people are learning to cook.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

And bake. Baking supplies, flour and cupcake liners and butter and
eggs are scarce. At least the garlic is back.


By now we are running seriously low on Fleischmann's Instant Dry Yeast
from AB Mauri to bake bread. Nothing in stores for weeks. On the
Internet people sell 1lbs packs but it's made in Mexico instead of
Canada. Does anyone know if it's as good as the Canadian stuff which has
become unobtanium?

Since years we bake bread in the Weber barbecue. Mostly not over
charcoal but Almond or Manzanita. Gives a nice crunchy crust.


There were almost no veggies in Safeway this morning. No lettuce, no
carrots, no blueberries. Maybe a truck didn't show up.


Costco surprised me on Tuesday. I didn't need any but they had a new
large section built out the side of the building, full of organic
vegetables.

And tally-ho! I scored a package of toilet paper :cool:

About five minutes later there was no more toilet paper.


There's never any shortage of yeast.

https://twitter.com/shoelaces3/status/1244252079041974272

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

We have a Meyer lemon tree in the back yard. If I wash the lemons and
then mix the water with flour, will I get a potential wild sourdough
starter?

Might be fun to try.

Maybe add some milk or sour cream or fresh soft cheese for
lactobacillus?



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard
 
On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 9:25:14 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
There's really not enough thinking going around these days.

If you tried doing some that would help a lot.

--

Rick C.

+-+-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+-+-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On 2020-04-16 16:58, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 15:21:25 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/16/2020 12:55 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:30:48 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-04-15 10:59, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 08:47:31 +0100, Martin Brown
'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On 12/04/2020 17:32, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 09:39:02 +0100, Martin Brown
'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On 10/04/2020 18:01, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:46:23 +0100, Martin Brown
'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On 10/04/2020 16:06, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Test density is increasing exponentially but case rates are not
adjusted. My guesses are as good as anybody else' now.

No. You are woefully ignorant and *very* determined to remain so.

The German health system has run an antibody test in one of the hottest
spots on the planet and found that only 14% of the population has
actually got antibodies to the virus at present.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/09/999015/blood-tests-show-15-of-people-are-now-immune-to-covid-19-in-one-town-in-germany/

That's a useful bit of data. Prefacing it with "willfully ignorant"
isn't. I didn't deliberately avoid seeing the German data.

You cherry pick data to suit your argument so often that it is difficult
to tell whether you are unaware of the scientific data or deliberately
refusing to look at it. You are a science denier at heart.

I consider a lot of data and speculate about possible dynamics. That
is not an "argument." I could make an argument, but I haven't. I'd
probably wind up being wrong. I hate to be wrong, because it suggests
a lapse of good thinking.

You have been claiming that it would all be fine and there was nothing
to worry about for ages.

No. I have been suggesting that this *could* be just another bad
winter cold that was unfortunate to be born in a slow press cycle. I
have made no "claims."

Take a look at this:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

World daily cases peaked 10 days ago and is down. Most european
countries are well past peak, some now below 10% of peak; the ones
that started sooner are down most.

The US case rate is declining and has been basically flat for about 2
weeks now, peaked about April 10. This dropoff, if it continues, will
disappoint some people.

I still think the curves should be scaled by test density, which would
change their shapes radically.

Worry? Personally, I don't worry about much of anything. I guess that
changes my judgements. Fear always overpowers observation and reason.

Somebody should wait a while and do some serious research and write a
book about this event. There is obviously an immense amount of bad
data and "scientific" wrongness and panic circulating now.



That's the way some people design electronics: consider as many
outrageous possibilities as you can, and analyze the consequences of
each. Considering unsanctioned alternatives offends most people.

"Science teaches us to doubt." Or should.

There is a difference between doubting something and going round with
your eyes shut and fingers in your ears impervious to all new data.

That statement is absolutely correct. Doubt should be liberating. It
should break the static friction of what everybody knows. It should
encourage all possible speculations that you can manage, especially
goofy ones. You can sort them out before you etch boards.

I was just talking to The Brat about that. The virus is doing some
harm, but it's also breaking a lot of social static friction. I'm not
about to predict how that is likely to settle out.

I do think that a lot of arguably silly small businesses, goofy
boutiques and bad restaurants, won't come back.

And lots of people are learning to cook.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

And bake. Baking supplies, flour and cupcake liners and butter and
eggs are scarce. At least the garlic is back.

There were almost no veggies in Safeway this morning. No lettuce, no
carrots, no blueberries. Maybe a truck didn't show up.



Must be tough on the average wingnut male, not regularly encountering
situations that make 'em want to shoot or stab a filthy lib!!

No Muslims in hijabs to encounter on the train to fantasize about
stabbing or putting rounds into. No busy Planned Parenthoods or colleges
or yoga studios to gun down 15 people at for Trump

What in the world are you raving about?

Why do you make up fictitious enemies to mock and hate?

Much safer. Real ones might hurt him.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
 
On 2020-04-16 15:42, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-04-16 09:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:30:48 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:


[...]

And lots of people are learning to cook.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

And bake. Baking supplies, flour and cupcake liners and butter and
eggs are scarce. At least the garlic is back.


By now we are running seriously low on Fleischmann's Instant Dry Yeast
from AB Mauri to bake bread. Nothing in stores for weeks. On the
Internet people sell 1lbs packs but it's made in Mexico instead of
Canada. Does anyone know if it's as good as the Canadian stuff which has
become unobtanium?

Since years we bake bread in the Weber barbecue. Mostly not over
charcoal but Almond or Manzanita. Gives a nice crunchy crust.


There were almost no veggies in Safeway this morning. No lettuce, no
carrots, no blueberries. Maybe a truck didn't show up.


Costco surprised me on Tuesday. I didn't need any but they had a new
large section built out the side of the building, full of organic
vegetables.

And tally-ho! I scored a package of toilet paper :cool:

About five minutes later there was no more toilet paper.

There's never any shortage of yeast.

https://twitter.com/shoelaces3/status/1244252079041974272

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 11:25:14 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:50:32 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
On 2020-04-16 16:58, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 15:21:25 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 4/16/2020 12:55 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:30:48 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
On 2020-04-15 10:59, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 08:47:31 +0100, Martin Brown
'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 12/04/2020 17:32, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 09:39:02 +0100, Martin Brown
'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 10/04/2020 18:01, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:46:23 +0100, Martin Brown
'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 10/04/2020 16:06, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

<snip>

Must be tough on the average wingnut male, not regularly encountering
situations that make 'em want to shoot or stab a filthy lib!!

No Muslims in hijabs to encounter on the train to fantasize about
stabbing or putting rounds into. No busy Planned Parenthoods or colleges
or yoga studios to gun down 15 people at for Trump

What in the world are you raving about?

Why do you make up fictitious enemies to mock and hate?

Much safer. Real ones might hurt him.

There's really not enough thinking going around these days.

But John Larkin hasn't got any plan to change the situation. He's not in a position to contribute any kind of improvement.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 9:03:11 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-16 20:42, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 3:42:19 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-04-16 09:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:30:48 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:


[...]

And lots of people are learning to cook.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

And bake. Baking supplies, flour and cupcake liners and butter and
eggs are scarce. At least the garlic is back.


By now we are running seriously low on Fleischmann's Instant Dry Yeast
from AB Mauri to bake bread. Nothing in stores for weeks. On the
Internet people sell 1lbs packs but it's made in Mexico instead of
Canada. Does anyone know if it's as good as the Canadian stuff which has
become unobtanium?

Since years we bake bread in the Weber barbecue. Mostly not over
charcoal but Almond or Manzanita. Gives a nice crunchy crust.

As I'm sure you know you really don't need yeast to bake bread,
especially in your neck of the woods.

Back before packaged yeast, housewives prepared what they called
a 'sponge' to leaven bread, which was just a mixture of flour and
water that was left out a day or two to collect wild yeasts. When
it starts foaming, it's ready to go. Same as sourdough, really,
but not necessarily sour-tasting. The taste depends on the local
wild air-borne yeasts.

San Francisco has particularly tasty wild yeasts that produce sour-
tasting bread. But French baguettes are technically sour-dough also,
even though they're not sour.

So, feel good that you can always make bread, even in a panic-demic :0
(I put a face mask on that emojii, for your protection.)

Cheers,
James (used to bake sourdough every other day) Arthur

P.S. I found it's important to use non-chlorinated water, both for
the starter and making bread -- the wild yeasts don't like chlorine.


Putting some dried fruit into warm water for an hour or so will liberate
wild yeast from the surface. Pour off the water and add to some flour,
and it will begin to work. A small amount of that mix added to some
more flour+water will work more.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

That makes sense -- you can make wine with yeast naturally occurring
on grapes. The trick would be getting one that tastes good in bread.

I selectively bred/trained my sourdough starter to make bread to my
liking, splitting it into samples that received different treatment,
saving the best result, repeat.

Over time I was able to create a super-human sourdough strain that could
thrive & rise a bitingly sour loaf, in acidic dough where ordinary, less-
hardy leavenings would lay lifeless & flat. Yum.

It was great when I was baking several times a week. But as Clifford
hinted, the 'Tamagochi' was forced into retirement as the baking slacked
off, yet the Tamagochi kept making demands. I saved some samples though,
and all this talk of sourdough is stirring the appetite...

Grins,
James
 
On 2020-04-16 16:32, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 14:54:20 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com
wrote:

On 2020-04-16 14:04, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:42:21 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com
wrote:

[...]


Since years we bake bread in the Weber barbecue. Mostly not over
charcoal but Almond or Manzanita. Gives a nice crunchy crust.


Do you get Truckee Sourdough up there? Ikedas has it.


We only have available whatever Bel Air, Safeway and Trader Joe's carry.
But mainly our own bread. I brew on a regular schedule (we do not buy
commercial beer) and we often have more bread than we can eat so we give
some away. Only very few people like it though because it's hearty bread
with a strong hop taste. The crust requires a firm bite.

The Tartine sourdough loaf is amazing.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qm6ak6ci65lo21r/Tartine_Big.jpg?raw=1

It's expensive, hard to get, and you about need a chainsaw to slice
it. It's really hard to chew. It's wonderful.

On the outside it almost looks like the trub bread from our barbecue.
And yeah, a motorized knife does help on that one as well ...

Today we'll only bake a pizza in there. My part will have anchovies on
top. The coals for baking will be snatched from our wood stove so it's
instantly hot. A regular kitchen oven can't do that.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
 
On 2020-04-18 09:00, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 9:03:11 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-16 20:42, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 3:42:19 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-04-16 09:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:30:48 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:


[...]

And lots of people are learning to cook.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

And bake. Baking supplies, flour and cupcake liners and butter and
eggs are scarce. At least the garlic is back.


By now we are running seriously low on Fleischmann's Instant Dry Yeast
from AB Mauri to bake bread. Nothing in stores for weeks. On the
Internet people sell 1lbs packs but it's made in Mexico instead of
Canada. Does anyone know if it's as good as the Canadian stuff which has
become unobtanium?

Since years we bake bread in the Weber barbecue. Mostly not over
charcoal but Almond or Manzanita. Gives a nice crunchy crust.

As I'm sure you know you really don't need yeast to bake bread,
especially in your neck of the woods.

Back before packaged yeast, housewives prepared what they called
a 'sponge' to leaven bread, which was just a mixture of flour and
water that was left out a day or two to collect wild yeasts. When
it starts foaming, it's ready to go. Same as sourdough, really,
but not necessarily sour-tasting. The taste depends on the local
wild air-borne yeasts.

Only problem is that things are quite unpredictable. You can have really
sluggish starts or end up with a weird off-flavor.


San Francisco has particularly tasty wild yeasts that produce sour-
tasting bread. But French baguettes are technically sour-dough also,
even though they're not sour.

So, feel good that you can always make bread, even in a panic-demic :0
(I put a face mask on that emojii, for your protection.)

Cheers,
James (used to bake sourdough every other day) Arthur

P.S. I found it's important to use non-chlorinated water, both for
the starter and making bread -- the wild yeasts don't like chlorine.

We have a carbon filter in the kitchen for that purpose.

Putting some dried fruit into warm water for an hour or so will liberate
wild yeast from the surface. Pour off the water and add to some flour,
and it will begin to work. A small amount of that mix added to some
more flour+water will work more.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

That makes sense -- you can make wine with yeast naturally occurring
on grapes. The trick would be getting one that tastes good in bread.

Same with beer but that will cause the results to be quite wildly different.


I selectively bred/trained my sourdough starter to make bread to my
liking, splitting it into samples that received different treatment,
saving the best result, repeat.

Over time I was able to create a super-human sourdough strain that could
thrive & rise a bitingly sour loaf, in acidic dough where ordinary, less-
hardy leavenings would lay lifeless & flat. Yum.

It was great when I was baking several times a week. But as Clifford
hinted, the 'Tamagochi' was forced into retirement as the baking slacked
off, yet the Tamagochi kept making demands. I saved some samples though,
and all this talk of sourdough is stirring the appetite...

Oh, same here. But the waist line, the waist line ...

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
 
On 2020-04-17 18:31, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:53:22 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-04-16 15:42, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-04-16 09:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:30:48 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:


[...]

And lots of people are learning to cook.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

And bake. Baking supplies, flour and cupcake liners and butter and
eggs are scarce. At least the garlic is back.


By now we are running seriously low on Fleischmann's Instant Dry Yeast
from AB Mauri to bake bread. Nothing in stores for weeks. On the
Internet people sell 1lbs packs but it's made in Mexico instead of
Canada. Does anyone know if it's as good as the Canadian stuff which has
become unobtanium?

Since years we bake bread in the Weber barbecue. Mostly not over
charcoal but Almond or Manzanita. Gives a nice crunchy crust.


There were almost no veggies in Safeway this morning. No lettuce, no
carrots, no blueberries. Maybe a truck didn't show up.


Costco surprised me on Tuesday. I didn't need any but they had a new
large section built out the side of the building, full of organic
vegetables.

And tally-ho! I scored a package of toilet paper :cool:

About five minutes later there was no more toilet paper.


There's never any shortage of yeast.

https://twitter.com/shoelaces3/status/1244252079041974272

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

We have a Meyer lemon tree in the back yard. If I wash the lemons and
then mix the water with flour, will I get a potential wild sourdough
starter?

Might be fun to try.

Maybe add some milk or sour cream or fresh soft cheese for
lactobacillus?

I have met people who make fermented beverages that way. The results can
cover the whole range from "Shazam!" to phtooei.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
 
On 2020-04-18 12:00, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 9:03:11 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-16 20:42, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 3:42:19 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-04-16 09:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:30:48 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:


[...]

And lots of people are learning to cook.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

And bake. Baking supplies, flour and cupcake liners and butter and
eggs are scarce. At least the garlic is back.


By now we are running seriously low on Fleischmann's Instant Dry Yeast
from AB Mauri to bake bread. Nothing in stores for weeks. On the
Internet people sell 1lbs packs but it's made in Mexico instead of
Canada. Does anyone know if it's as good as the Canadian stuff which has
become unobtanium?

Since years we bake bread in the Weber barbecue. Mostly not over
charcoal but Almond or Manzanita. Gives a nice crunchy crust.

As I'm sure you know you really don't need yeast to bake bread,
especially in your neck of the woods.

Back before packaged yeast, housewives prepared what they called
a 'sponge' to leaven bread, which was just a mixture of flour and
water that was left out a day or two to collect wild yeasts. When
it starts foaming, it's ready to go. Same as sourdough, really,
but not necessarily sour-tasting. The taste depends on the local
wild air-borne yeasts.

San Francisco has particularly tasty wild yeasts that produce sour-
tasting bread. But French baguettes are technically sour-dough also,
even though they're not sour.

So, feel good that you can always make bread, even in a panic-demic :0
(I put a face mask on that emojii, for your protection.)

Cheers,
James (used to bake sourdough every other day) Arthur

P.S. I found it's important to use non-chlorinated water, both for
the starter and making bread -- the wild yeasts don't like chlorine.


Putting some dried fruit into warm water for an hour or so will liberate
wild yeast from the surface. Pour off the water and add to some flour,
and it will begin to work. A small amount of that mix added to some
more flour+water will work more.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

That makes sense -- you can make wine with yeast naturally occurring
on grapes. The trick would be getting one that tastes good in bread.

I selectively bred/trained my sourdough starter to make bread to my
liking, splitting it into samples that received different treatment,
saving the best result, repeat.

Over time I was able to create a super-human sourdough strain that could
thrive & rise a bitingly sour loaf, in acidic dough where ordinary, less-
hardy leavenings would lay lifeless & flat. Yum.

It was great when I was baking several times a week. But as Clifford
hinted, the 'Tamagochi' was forced into retirement as the baking slacked
off, yet the Tamagochi kept making demands. I saved some samples though,
and all this talk of sourdough is stirring the appetite...

Grins,
James

"Feed me! Feed me!" ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

(Little Shop of Horrors was before 1987)

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
lørdag den 18. april 2020 kl. 22.26.13 UTC+2 skrev Joerg:
On 2020-04-17 18:31, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:53:22 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-04-16 15:42, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-04-16 09:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:30:48 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:


[...]

And lots of people are learning to cook.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

And bake. Baking supplies, flour and cupcake liners and butter and
eggs are scarce. At least the garlic is back.


By now we are running seriously low on Fleischmann's Instant Dry Yeast
from AB Mauri to bake bread. Nothing in stores for weeks. On the
Internet people sell 1lbs packs but it's made in Mexico instead of
Canada. Does anyone know if it's as good as the Canadian stuff which has
become unobtanium?

Since years we bake bread in the Weber barbecue. Mostly not over
charcoal but Almond or Manzanita. Gives a nice crunchy crust.


There were almost no veggies in Safeway this morning. No lettuce, no
carrots, no blueberries. Maybe a truck didn't show up.


Costco surprised me on Tuesday. I didn't need any but they had a new
large section built out the side of the building, full of organic
vegetables.

And tally-ho! I scored a package of toilet paper :cool:

About five minutes later there was no more toilet paper.


There's never any shortage of yeast.

https://twitter.com/shoelaces3/status/1244252079041974272

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

We have a Meyer lemon tree in the back yard. If I wash the lemons and
then mix the water with flour, will I get a potential wild sourdough
starter?

Might be fun to try.

Maybe add some milk or sour cream or fresh soft cheese for
lactobacillus?


I have met people who make fermented beverages that way. The results can
cover the whole range from "Shazam!" to phtooei.

and then came this guy, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Christian_Hansen
 

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